Small bodied alternator

[gonmad]

Anyone have any idea what Alternator I could get that could be tucked under my original generator on my 58? I don't want to "see it", but the last two years I've smoked my generator coming back from Salina! I guess that it don't like the AC blasting on high for 7 or so hours straight! preferably some cheap factory model off something, heck even import if it disappears!!
Thanks!
Jimmy

[nwbhotrod]

I have seen a Water pumb with a builtin Alternator very cool

[Mr48chev]

When I was under my work beater 92 Geo Prizm the other day the alternator looked pretty tiny. It has an odd bracket though.

Take a look at one for a 95 or so Suzuki Samari.
If the case was painted generator black it should pretty well hide under the generator.

[Waddayacare]

Nippondenso alternators are fairly small in diameter. They are found on many cars especially imports.

You could also try running one off your driveshaft.

[amadeus]

farm equipment denso alternators are very tiny but have only 40amps or so of output. They will overheat inside that case and fail, Powermaster makes a GEN/Alternator but is $$$.

[Willy_P]

I bought a powermaster from summitracing.com to run on my 57 sbc.

Try this also...
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/a.../t-559986.html
and
browse= small alternator for auto

powermaster - many on summitracing.com

small alternators - 60 100 amp, expect $100-$200

http://www.ecae.com/alt1.html
http://www.zena.net/htdocs/alternators/alt_inf.shtml
http://www.zena.net/htdocs/alternators/AutoSound.shtml

http://www.rareelectrical.com/c-26-h...FcFeTAod8kwAVQ

perhaps use foreign - nissan, mga,etc
http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/i...?p=vt&tid=2995
http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/ac201.htm

[gasserjohn]

photo under hurst mount

[damagedduck]

Here's some reading,i think it's a great tect piece,

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=29715

[fiftyv8]

Originally Posted by Waddayacare

Nippondenso alternators are fairly small in diameter. They are found on many cars especially imports.

You could also try running one off your driveshaft.

Anybody know what kind of amp rating those small alternators have???

[porknbeaner]

Originally Posted by fiftyv8

Anybody know what kind of amp rating those small alternators have???

High enough to run the A/C and the stereo, and the electric fuel pump and the computer, and the electric windows and . . .

[Waddayacare]

Originally Posted by fiftyv8

Anybody know what kind of amp rating those small alternators have???

Originally Posted by porknbeaner

High enough to run the A/C and the stereo, and the electric fuel pump and the computer, and the electric windows and . . .

Ha Ha... True! ^ ^ ^

Many imports are fairly well equipped while the others are loaded. So a 'denso alternator from one of those cars will certainly have enough balls to power anything a hot rod is going to throw at it. One of my cars is an O/T BBC powered, moly chassis street car with alot of high draw electronics including an MSD 7AL3 ignition system and I'm running one. If I remember correctly I got mine out of a Nissan but there are alot of cars out there that use 'em.

[fiftyv8]

Did not intend to hijack this thread but thanks for the positive info, I will continue installing the one I have here into my project.
Mine also is from a Nissan.
They sure are small...

[Phil1934]

I got a new 80 amp from a Suzuki off ebay for $60 and a $10 forklift one (guessing 25 amp) for the v belt pulley as cheaper than buying a pulley. Highest rating is 100 amp. Mounting circles seem to be 5" or 5-1/2".

[squirrel]

Originally Posted by damagedduck

Here's some reading,i think it's a great tect piece,

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=29715

Neat, but the ford generator case is larger than the Chevy generator case, so that one won't fit. The technique is the same though, if you find a smaller alternator.

[gonmad]

Thanks guys, I'll check out some of those links and might do some junkyard crawling, heck my electric fans on the Camaro is off a Nissan Sentra wagon! LOL!
I'd love to use a powergen (or whatever they are called), but they don't make them with a power steering output shaft.

[rovertenrod]

I used a Denso unit from a small toyota (with a small mod to the mounting boss)
http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/z...d/f42a7348.jpg

[Charlie Stephens]

Have you considered finding a better shop to rebuild your generator? Unless you have a really weird set up the car engine drives the compressor and all the generator does is run the fan which shouldn't be too much for it. Any chance there is an optional high output generator available (police cars, taxi's etc). If you got it at a place like Pep Boys I rest my case.

Charlie Stephens

[Rusty O'Toole]

Maybe a good auto electric shop could rebuild your generator for higher output or supply a heavy duty generator. I know they were available before the alternators came in.

Or will you keep the generator and add a small alt for extra power?

[CTFuzz]

Sounds like he wants to run the Alt. under not IN the gen.........The gen is also the power steering pump, lots of room to hide the alt.

[56don]

You might want to also check out the alt on a Yanmar tractor. They are pretty small but I don't know if they have the output you need.

[Bull]

I'm using a small alternator off a Mitsubishi of some sort. You can just barely make it out in the lower left of these pics.

[40FordGuy]

Ditto, Powermaster....."looks like" a gen,..and has all the output you 'll ever need. I have one on my 8BA flatmotor,....no complaints .

4TTRUK

[d2_willys]

Get a smallish alternator and replace generator with one from a 55-59 Chevy that has the Power steering pump drive from rear of generator. Make a simple coupling (they sell those springy thingy couplings that make it flexible), then mount alternator using power steering bolt holes on generator. Saves you a belt too.

[RuFFDaWG]

I had the same quandry with the roadster. Got tired of the rebuilt generatior not keeping up. Got tired of the worry. Read a tech article on stuffing one inside a Ford case and considered it. I finally gave up and got a Powergen. Solved all my charging problems - so nice!
Only problem with the Powergen is the cost! It still hurt for several days!!!

[gonmad]

Thanks guys, I can't run a Powergen because they don't make one with the PS shaft coming out the back. I do like the idea of running an alternator off that, but then I'd loose the power steering, which I don't want to do. I really like the look of the stock setup, so that's why I'd like to hide one under it all and just "unhook" the wires from the stocker.

[fiftyv8]

Originally Posted by d2_willys

Get a smallish alternator and replace generator with one from a 55-59 Chevy that has the Power steering pump drive from rear of generator. Make a simple coupling (they sell those springy thingy couplings that make it flexible), then mount alternator using power steering bolt holes on generator. Saves you a belt too.

I'd like to see some pic's of that setup.

[bobscogin]

Go to ebay and search "Denso alternator"

Bob

[d2_willys]

Originally Posted by gonmad

Thanks guys, I can't run a Powergen because they don't make one with the PS shaft coming out the back. I do like the idea of running an alternator off that, but then I'd loose the power steering, which I don't want to do. I really like the look of the stock setup, so that's why I'd like to hide one under it all and just "unhook" the wires from the stocker.

You could put a newer power steering pump (1960 up) at the front of the engine. That would allow the alternator on the back of the generator. But I do understand the "keeping it stock" idea. Good luck, I would go with Nippon Denso alternators, pretty small in size and can be tucked into some crevice where it is hard to see.

[damagedduck]

Originally Posted by d2_willys

Get a smallish alternator and replace generator with one from a 55-59 Chevy that has the Power steering pump drive from rear of generator. Make a simple coupling (they sell those springy thingy couplings that make it flexible), then mount alternator using power steering bolt holes on generator. Saves you a belt too.

umm you mean a love joy coupler? (sounds like a adult toy) just google it!

[midnightoilgarage]

here is a waterpump mounted alternator.http://www.racemate.com

[Nick_R_23]

Airplane alternator. Very tiny and can put out a good amount of amps, but can be kind of spendy.

[4t6ford]

Some of the light japanese comercials with diesel engines ( Nissan Patrol/safari , Pathfinder etc ) have an alternator that has a vacuum pump on the back of it,
you might consider one of these , remove the vacuum pump and couple the shaft to your power steer pump .




.

[aussie oldie]

I used a small nippon one from a daihatsu.

[brady1929]

Hey Aussie oldie, do to have a part number that you can share?

[SKULL ORCHARD]

Use a drive shaft mounted alt on a switch so you can turn it off when not needed. It would be its own system to control amps to battery. Works good used this set up on a race car.

[davidfe]

I just looked and they are only about 45-50 Amps depending on the model. Pretty pricy approx. $ 200.00 or more.

I recall picking some up off the GM small 4L when I was in the salvage
yards in the late 1990's . Don't recall much except they were small
and looked decent compared to the ones off of V8s.

Many of the cars were transverse mount and had A/C. Would guess these would work for OP.

Originally Posted by aussie oldie

I used a small nippon one from a daihatsu.

[Phil1934]

late '80s Toyota 4runner gets you v belt pulley

[31Vicky with a hemi]

Originally Posted by midnightoilgarage

here is a waterpump mounted alternator.http://www.racemate.com

Those are cool as hell, but $ 6xx.oo for 22 amps isn't .

[lostforawhile]

why are you burning out the generator? I would look into that issue first, the AC shouldn't hurt it, you need an amp draw test to be sure what the issue is, when the ac is on current is being pulled for the blower motor in the car, the AC compressor clutch, and if you have an electric fan,it may be running all the time, if the car is moving .that fan may not need to be operating,but might be drawing a bunch of amps. if it's running all the time, you need a switch to keep the AC from running the fan when you are moving,or possibly an rpm switch and relay to turn off the AC fan control in a certain RPM window, EG if the engine was running above a certain rpm the car would probably be moving

[31Vicky with a hemi]

I asked the guys at my favorite bone yard this several years ago. Geo metro was the smallest that he knew of or ever saw, but his disclaimer was that not knowledgeable about foreign stuff.

[d2_willys]

Originally Posted by 4t6ford

Some of the light japanese comercials with diesel engines ( Nissan Patrol/safari , Pathfinder etc ) have an alternator that has a vacuum pump on the back of it,
you might consider one of these , remove the vacuum pump and couple the shaft to your power steer pump .




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Now that would be a hell of a lot of stuff hanging off that poor old generator. But it would save a belt! Maybe you can post a pic of it.

[d2_willys]

Originally Posted by damagedduck

umm you mean a love joy coupler? (sounds like a adult toy) just google it!

Yep, those springy thingys! Used them years ago to drive encoders for testing, work real well.

[d2_willys]

Originally Posted by 31Vicky with a hemi

Those are cool as hell, but $ 6xx.oo for 22 amps isn't .

Build a mounting bracket to mount a cheap little alternator in front of the water pump and use a "lovejoy" coupler to connect alternator and water pump shafts. But before doing that have a longer shaft installed that protrudes through the back of the alternator and modify the rear bearing for the through shaft. Attach a fan hub to the protruding alternator shaft, and presto, you have the alternator hidden by the fan shroud. Of course you have to watch the depth of the fan blades, but from what I can remember on my 59 Chevy, there was quite a bit of room before the fan hit the shroud.

Another fun idea: why not get one of those alternator/motor (I call them dynamos) things from the stop/start mobiles and put that down where the starter is! Hell yeah!

Man, I have too much time on my hands!

[aussie oldie]

Originally Posted by brady1929

Hey Aussie oldie, do to have a part number that you can share?

Hi brady1929, Here's a good link with some info. ''westfield-world.com''
The alternator is from a 1 litre or 1.3 charade from the early '90s I think.
I got it from another rodder who had it on a SBC. I couldn't see any part # on it. I think they are about 50 amp.

[lostforawhile]

Originally Posted by aussie oldie

Hi brady1929, Here's a good link with some info. ''westfield-world.com''
The alternator is from a 1 litre or 1.3 charade from the early '90s I think.
I got it from another rodder who had it on a SBC. I couldn't see any part # on it. I think they are about 50 amp.

It's a dihatsu charade, I think they only built a couple of models, if you get one of those make sure you get the plug that plugs into the regulator, you never see those at yards so it would be hard to find, A friend of mine had one growing out of his yard for years very strange ugly little shit