32 5 Window Garage Find .... 80's retro, Never finished, Need a Plan ...

[FalconMan]

Ok... I finally joined the Deuce club after finding this gennie 5 Window. Owning a Deuce coupe has been on my bucket list. After reading about the countless Deuces coming out of barns and garages after many years of storage and neglect, I was very fortunate to have my turn. The story as I know it the previous owner started the project in the early 80's, got most of the way done, lost interest, then died.

It's a very clean body with a some very non-HAMB friendly styling. It is set up for a SBC with a turbo 350. Has a 9 Inch rear and a tubular front axle. The paint and interior is very 80's retro ....

Short term plans are to put a 350/350 with 3 deuces in it, switch the wheels from the true spokes to steel wheels/bias tires. Dump the glass fenders it came with and find some steel ones. Obviously change the dash cluster to something cool as well.

I would love to chop it but ......

[knotttty]

great find..... I cant wait to see the build up..... good on you.


Roy

[55chevr]

Go ahead ... 6 inch chop ...

[Goatdave]

I like the green paint.

[rob-redm]

I wouldn't chop it for now, redo the interior, find a killer gauge panel and some S-W gauges... some bigs and littles maybe a 4 speed ? nice score

[Bad Daddy]

Nice find. Does it have a functional rumble seat?

[45_70Sharps]

What a find!
Can't wait to see it come to life.

[Hot Rods Ta Hell]

Great find! It looks really straight.
I'd leave it full fendered, unchopped, reshoot the entire car black, dye the interior black, drop a SBC in it and start enjoying driving it for now (by Summer!!!)-on the tru spokes.

[McFly]

Sweet! Nice score.

[Chuckles Garage]

UN-Chopped, fenderless, steelies, blackwalls, keep the paint, burn the interior.

RAD find!

[gwarren007]

For me, i would just a vortec 350, T350 or 700r4 and just drive the snot out of it.

[uncle buck]

Nice find.

[FlynBrian]

Nice Score!

[treb11]

keep the bottom half of the interior (pleats) Sits kinda high, shove an engine in and drive it. worry about the details later.

[Deuce Roadster]

Originally Posted by Bad Daddy

Nice find. Does it have a functional rumble seat?

The handle at the top of the lid means it is set up for a rumble seat.

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Nice find. The hood sides are repros but it looks to be a NICE 5W.
A set of steelies and paint the fenders to match the body and DRIVE IT.

Congratulations ...

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[Lil32]

Great find you lucky bugger I like tru spokes but it does need BIG and LITTLES regards Lil32

[Dirty Dug]

I'll bet that wasn't cheap...At least for the widow's sake.What a nice car.

[eugene vik]

gonna be done for back to the 50's???
looks like the guy did a lot of work and $$$on it

[justntime]

If only it could happen here..
Great find & congrats..

[n.z.rodder]

Whats wrong with the 'glass fenders, they're straight and shiny, I'd spend my money on dressing up a stout sbc and new rolling stock ( I HATE truspokes ). Nice score by the way.

Scotty

[daddy_o's_diner]

Awesome find!

Since you asked, I'd spray the light green areas black, dye the interior black, assemble and drive that baby!.

Oh ya, and change out the wheels.



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[rat bastad]

Wow she's held up well over the years.

Get into it !!

Rat

[FalconMan]

Originally Posted by Bad Daddy

Nice find. Does it have a functional rumble seat?

Yeah... too small for me to sit in. I would rather not have it. I got one in my 36 roadster..... one is enough.

[Trichop]

THat thing is Begging for a Flathead with a 5 speed
Non Chopped, fenders you already have,rolled and pleated int (White?)
WW tires .. with 37 ford wire wheels(lite green like the body)
Great find
Can ya find me one?

[chevyfordman]

I can see where you would be excited, they are still out there to find, good luck with it.

[fonti]

great find - congrats!!
it's YOUR car, don't listen to us...but don't chop it, another interior, blackwalls and steelies ;-)

[F&J]

We all want to build Your car the way We want it





Must be like heaven to not have to work with rotted smashed stuff.




Replacing the glass fenders would be my last area of concern.

[outlaw256]

id get that thing rollin now!! worry about the other things as time goes on.but drive it now!! add engine of your choice and enjoy. oh life is good. ( for some).lol

[Tudor]

Wow that body is in great shape. Very cool and congrats. Have a blast with it.

[swade41]

That thing is nice !
You could almost pull off a 60's style build with that paint, at any rate I'd change wheels and interior and leave the rest. Well you's have to get it up and driving too.

[Jim P]

Keep rolling the direction it was going. 16" paint wires and enjoy. Great looking car.

[spiders web]

Great looking car but if you put a bowtie in it you might as well get some plastic surgery so you can not only be like everyone else but also look like everyone else. Get a flattie with three carbs, maybe a 371 blower and a four speed. There is so much cool stuff out there and putting a 350/350 shows you only have taste in your mouth.

[ka-zoo]

I sorta dig the paint.
If it were mine- Steelies to match the light green, Big n Littles.
I wouldn't worry about the interior much, its not terrible (for now)
no fenders
If you run the hood, SBC is fine. (for now)

I'd get it on the road, enjoy the snot out of it, and collect parts for a "more traditional" conversion down the road.



Amazing score.

[Bigcheese327]

Originally Posted by Chuckles Garage

UN-Chopped, fenderless, steelies, blackwalls, keep the paint, burn the interior.

RAD find!

Almost exactly what I was thinking. 'Glass or not, I'd keep the fenders.

And I really like the green.

[3wLarry]

I haven't yet recieved your payment for the Hamb Deuce Club Dues...just sayin'...

[One Finger John]

Like to see it but all I am getting are blue question marks. What happened?

[krylon32]

Been doing deuces for over 40 years and never even had a smell at something that nice in my area???

[rustednutz]

Unbelievable find. That is nice. Now just a little re-doing to make it yours. Listen to you, not how every one else wants you to build it.

[alchemy]

Those don't look like Tru-Spokes, they look like real knockoff Daytons to me.

Nice car to start with. When you chop it put some drip rails back on.

[Terrible Tom]

Originally Posted by Chuckles Garage

UN-Chopped, fenderless, steelies, blackwalls, keep the paint, burn the interior.

RAD find!

I agree 100%.
Tom

[FalconMan]

Originally Posted by Dirty Dug

I'll bet that wasn't cheap...At least for the widow's sake.What a nice car.

No it was not cheap at all, contrary to what some might think... I got a good deal, not the deal of a lifetime. At the end of the day, both her and I were very happy.

The car was not advertised. It belonged to the grandpa of my nephew's friend. Timing/luck is everything. He had died several years ago and they were just getting around to dealing with the cars he had. The grandson was lucky enough to end up with a couple cool cars himself.

[theHIGHLANDER]

SBC? Kool! Beats the hell outta 3X the cost for a full house blown flathead. I might consider an OD trans, but hey it's yours so go for it. I'm on the fence about the colors. I like greens but those are, well, you already know. I hear ya on the glass fenders. It's like having to settle for drive-through fast food when you're really hungry. I can't knock anything in the car you didn't already, but I might be inclined to hang on to those wheels for a while. If not for this, maybe some day down the road...

FWIW, I like the idea of fenderless and no rumble seat. If you keep the colors, lose the interior, and maybe something unique in the wheel/tire dept. Steelies are always a good choice, but also becoming really popular. Maybe some period full wheel covers and fat whites. You asked...

[Rex Stallion]

Most guys start with a pile of rust and hope to get to where you are, Good score!

[titus]

Originally Posted by FalconMan

No it was not cheap at all, contrary to what some might think... I got a good deal, not the deal of a lifetime. At the end of the day, both her and I were very happy.

It was cheap you liar!!

I wouldnt touch a thing! id put it together and use it as is, its so outdated its cool, and the term is resto rod Doug!

I personally like the interior, alot. i like the whole car, i quess i get that from reading all my dads street rodder magazines from the 70s when the resto rod thing was in.

JEFF

[farmboyhotrodder]

I wouldn't chop it. If you want a choppded top car, sell this one off and buy a chopped 5-window body. Otherwise, build it and drive it.

[40 & 61 Fords]

Originally Posted by titus

It was cheap you liar!!

I wouldnt touch a thing! id put it together and use it as is, its so outdated its cool, and the term is resto rod Doug!

I personally like the interior, alot. i like the whole car, i quess i get that from reading all my dads street rodder magazines from the 70s when the resto rod thing was in.

JEFF

It has a similar style to Ed Belkengrens old green & black 32 5w.....the one that was in the GSTA this year.

I'd bolt it together, and drive it as is, then change it a little at a time. Keeps the number of project cars you have down at least a little!!
Maybe put some American TTO's on it to give it to give it a later 60's vibe.

Time to come up with a new nickname, Doug...the Falcons seem to be getting squeezed from the nest!!

[STEPHEN FIELDS]

assemble with different wheels (steelies and blackwalls)....remove interior and place in 1992 Astro van.

[49ratfink]

interiors kind of goofy, but really that would not be a bad looking car put back together with the spokes and out of date interior. nice colors.

[Cowtown Speed Shop]

I like it!!........Drop a motor and trans in it and enjoy it, I think the paint and interior is cool looking. You do not see cars built like this anymore, this was done in a 70's style when street rods (hot rods) were bad ass, long before bare steel and rust holes were cool. finishing that car the way it is would get you my respect, (not like that means anything) Or strip it down to No interior, Flat black paint, and wide whites and be like every other cookie cutter car at the cruise nights...Just my 2 cents

[No_Respect]

I guess I would e the only guy to leave it as is for awhile it looks like 1981 again!!! cool car regardless..

[brian55lvr]

assemble and drive it-----------------

[Mr48chev]

Originally Posted by 40 & 61 Fords

I'd bolt it together, and drive it as is, then change it a little at a time. Keeps the number of project cars you have down at least a little!!

Yep, put a good running engine and trans in it, put it together and drive it. The wheel change is a must but the glass fenders don't bother me as they yell DRIVER and not a prissy show car that one is afraid to drive. I'd probably just work on wearing out the interior but there is probably a street rodder out there going nuts over it right now and chomping at the bit to make an offer on the seats and door panels and other fabric pieces.

Personally I like the green as I am getting rather tired of seeing seas of black cars at rod trots screaming that "my owner has no frigging imagination and doesn't he know that all of those "black" cars in the black and white pages of the magazines of the 50's weren't black?"

[FalconMan]

Originally Posted by titus

It was cheap you liar!!

I wouldnt touch a thing! id put it together and use it as is, its so outdated its cool, and the term is resto rod Doug!

I personally like the interior, alot. i like the whole car, i quess i get that from reading all my dads street rodder magazines from the 70s when the resto rod thing was in.

JEFF

Jeff.. it was late last night .... I stand corrected 'restro'

The interior is growing on me. My wife loves the paint, which is a plus. She normally does not like the paint on any of the cars I have/had.....

Chopping the car is out of the question for now unless I were to start from scratch. As it sits, I have 1 inch of head room. I would have to drop the seat and push it back, which makes the rumble totally unusable. Like you said, sell it and buy what I want instead. I will be scrounging the parts I need this summer and more than likely be asking you for advise !

Thanks again for going to look at it with me !

[wingedexpress]

Put it together as is for now ,drive it ,and don't forget to put a big smile on your face while driving.

[mastergun1980]

The interior is a little to much, but I would run it till I had something better. The green is kinda cool to. Cool car. Even it is too retro, it's way nice already than anything I own.

[Bull]

It really does have a cool 70's resto rod vibe. You stole it . . . and I'm glad you decided to pull the trigger on it, because it kept me outta a whole heap of trouble with my wife!

I see having 3 sets of wheels & tires for the car -- each of which would give ti a very distinct look.

Set 1: Keep the True Spokes and radials that are on it.
Set 2: Old American mags in 15" with big & little radials.
Set 3: 15" steelies in black with simple Ford caps or baby moons with bias-ply blackwalls.

Keep the fiberglass fenders. You have them, they fit, they're shiny. Done.

Change the gauges to old SW's and add an engine turned panel.

If it were a keeper, I could see a possible re-do on the interior to all black tuck & roll by stichbitch.

You should pick up some Street Rodder mags from the 70's. This car looks like it jumped right off the pages!

Can't wait to help you spend some money on it.

[Rocky Famoso]

Nice score! Assemble it, drive it, and let the car develop over the summer. The modifications will come to you over time. And, smile a lot!
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[slowmotion]

Nothin' wrong with plugging in a SBC, a wheel/tire combo of your choice, getting the stance right, & drivin' that sumbich...great score!

[tinmann]

All I've got are blue squares with question marks in them. Why can't I see the pics???????

[VoodooTwin]

Congrats! I love it....garish 1970's van interior and all!! It ROCKS!!

[travj31]

nice find... i'm kinda diggin the green paint myself. i can picture fenderless with a nice set of big and littles rolling down the road. congrats!

[FalconMan]

Originally Posted by tinmann

All I've got are blue squares with question marks in them. Why can't I see the pics???????

Well don't know... seems everyone else can. The photos are loaded on my comcast home page and linked to the HAMB........

Try another browser ???

[thewildturkey46]

Nice 5W...you did real good at any price. I like the wheels...they look like Zenith knock offs instead of truspokes. One of my favorite wheels.......even tho not HAMB Blessed LOL Looks good. Dale

[Mopar Jack]

Sweet....just drive it...

[Taff]

you know, the pervert in me says to leave the interior as is. whats the problem, hot rodding is an evolution, right? the way we were.....

byt change the wheels. they are a bit ginger beer

[Johnyeyeball]

heellllll yea nice find.That thing is bitchen

[36fred]

It's hard to call that a barn find, wow what a body. I've read the whole thread and no one has mentioned the hood, looks like a 25 louver. If you think you paid to much Research that a little for a shock. Or better yet don't research and I'll give you a 1,000 for it.

[rosco gordy]

Ya know you already have one cool car sell er to me I,ll be driver at 50,s

[six pack to go]

Cool!! You should be driving in no time!

[drdave]

Assemble, drive, worry about details later. The paint is shiny and will do for now, and the interior is complete and will serve as well. Drive it like crazy and who cares if it wears/chips. Drive it every day, put 100k miles on it then repaint it and reupholster it when it is worn out....that's what I'm doing.

[FalconMan]

Originally Posted by 36fred

It's hard to call that a barn find, wow what a body. I've read the whole thread and no one has mentioned the hood, looks like a 25 louver. If you think you paid to much Research that a little for a shock. Or better yet don't research and I'll give you a 1,000 for it.

Ok ... I'm a 36 guy, with 2 of them, so the Deuce is new to me regarding the rarity of things like hoods. So the hood I have are the real thing ? I guess it's a big deal ??

The hood sides are perfect, so I thought they were re-poped. I was not planning on running them so I could show off the 3 deuces ... I better go dig them out of the garbage can

[titus]

Originally Posted by FalconMan

Ok ... I'm a 36 guy, with 2 of them, so the Deuce is new to me regarding the rarity of things like hoods. So the hood I have are the real thing ? I guess it's a big deal ??

The hood sides are perfect, so I thought they were re-poped. I was not planning on running them so I could show off the 3 deuces ... I better go dig them out of the garbage can

'


They are repops, Deuce Roadster stated it earlier in the post.

the front two louvers are shorter than the rest on real ones, rootlieb has finally worked out correct repops on them.

JEFF

[Hotrodbuilderny]

I wouldn't touch a thing, looks period perfect the way it is. It may not be for everybody,but it does work wouldn't be my choice for interior,but I sure could get use to it. Clean it up and enjoy. Sure is a nice find

[KustomCars]

Sweet find !

[Ed Wrath]

Congratulations - nice find!

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I like those wires. What's going on with the drip rails, or are my eyes playing tricks on me?

[56don]

I like everything about it, even the wood dash panel. Go ahead, crucify me, its my opinion....
I think you should finish the mechanics and run it as it is.

[lowsquire]

I would so run those wheels.
they would look great with a set of excelsior CompV racing tyres.
Id have to ditch the interior though.

[CraigR]

Same as the rest on here, if I was starting from scratch I'd do it different, BUT - you've got a kind of resto rod timewarp here, hit the road 70's style! Maybe down the road you'll be glad you did!

[CraigR]

Or let me know if you want to sell those Zeniths!

[bonesy]

Originally Posted by FalconMan

Ok ... I'm a 36 guy, with 2 of them, so the Deuce is new to me regarding the rarity of things like hoods. So the hood I have are the real thing ? I guess it's a big deal ??

The hood sides are perfect, so I thought they were re-poped. I was not planning on running them so I could show off the 3 deuces ... I better go dig them out of the garbage can

Great score!

The '80s re-pop 25 vents didn't look like those. Nice originals.

[studefreak]

Shit I never find nothing that nice congrats

[Smokey2]

Originally Posted by FalconMan

Ok... I finally joined the Deuce club after finding this gennie 5 Window. Owning a Deuce coupe has been on my bucket list. After reading about the countless Deuces coming out of barns and garages after many years of storage and neglect, I was very fortunate to have my turn. The story as I know it the previous owner started the project in the early 80's, got most of the way done, lost interest, then died.

It's a very clean body with a some very non-HAMB friendly styling. It is set up for a SBC with a turbo 350. Has a 9 Inch rear and a tubular front axle. The paint and interior is very 80's retro ....

Short term plans are to put a 350/350 with 3 deuces in it, switch the wheels from the true spokes to steel wheels/bias tires. Dump the glass fenders it came with and find some steel ones. Obviously change the dash cluster to something cool as well.

I would love to chop it but ......

I can't believe You had e'nuff $$$$ left over, To Buy that Hacksaw !
NICE Find .............Damn sure it did'nt come out'of A BARN !!
(I Love chopped Tops, '32's........'34's.......Mercs, and even Chevies ,
But don't You EVEN CONSIDER IT . Kool

Not Smoked Up Tonight (?),
Still git'en OVER YESTERDAY ! smokey II

[paperdog]

hey stay outa my yard..

[tinmann]

Hmmmm.... on my home computer the pics popped right up. Apparently my work doesn't like the HAMB.

Nice score. Take your time. Pee on the tires, it'll be your's in no time.

[hippy killer]

Just remembers you can't go wrong with CHRYSLER FIRE POWER

[Big Al]

nice find. a bit of food for thought, i borrowed these of drd57 pics of the western nationals.
Al.

[swissmike]

Instead of changing the car just go to a thrift store and buy a polyester leisure suit and an 8-track player and you will be cruising in style in no time!

[redlinetoys]

I don't really see the 80's there so much as possibly the 70's, and I think that is kind of cool.

I would paint the fenders to match the body. Throw the car together with a small block and stick a set of big and little 5 spoke chrome Cragars on it and call it a day for a few summers. Drive it. Enjoy it. Find out what really needs changed, but I think you might be surprised how many people would dig the 70's vibe.

And put that damn hacksaw down!

[RagtopBuick66]

Originally Posted by hippy killer

Just remembers you can't go wrong with CHRYSLER FIRE POWER

I've got one of those lookin' for a home... Has a tranny, too!

[titus]

Show em a pick of your rear end Doug, theyll dig it!

[Rocky Famoso]

Going 70s? Centerlines, and raised white letters.
And a "Street Is Neat" license topper.
...

[FalconMan]

Originally Posted by titus

Show em a pick of your rear end Doug, theyll dig it!

Titus, are you sure ??? Oh well... It's quite the rear end.... speechless I was when I first saw it

The better shot is the underside... you can see a bit of it here in the photo.... too clean for a guy who never washes his cars and lives on a dirt road ......

[45_70Sharps]

I can see that I'm in the minority here. I'm with the guys that would leave it as is.
This is what they looked like when I was a youngster. If it were a true 80's build instead of 70's style, it would have enough billet to make you puke.

Wheels are about all I wouldn't want to keep.

[midnightoilgarage]

I dig the interior design.Different.Tiki look

[jfrolka]

thats a fancy rearend.... nice house!!!

[327-365hp]

Thanks for saving it from it's hellish fate! That interior is nasty!

[paperdog]

just do it any way you can it will be fine heck its a deuce .. all is subject to change

[Bull]

Originally Posted by FalconMan

I was not planning on running them so I could show off the 3 deuces ...

Full fendered. Full hood. Trust me.

[Bull]

By the way, don't change a thing until I get to see it tomorrow night!

[bcharlton]

Leave it, drive it, enjoy it

[alchemy]

Who striped your rearend? Is that Bell's work?

[FalconMan]

Thanks for all of the responses regarding my new Deuce. The excitement of the car is still having me bounce off the garage walls. It's like I am still dreaming I actually bought the car

Unfortunately I won't be able to start working on it until later this summer. I need to get my roadster back on the road after being tore apart in my shop for the last 2 years. I will be hitting the swap meets hard this summer trying to gather the right parts.

I do take most of the comments seriously. The plans are....


- Don't touch the body. The paint has really grown on me. Never would I have painted a car like this, but it's not a belly button car .....

- SBC / turbo 350 with vintage parts. Not what I dreamed of in a hot rod. I always wanted a nailhead or Olds Rocket, or Y-block with a T5.... But tearing the body off to redo the fabulous work that has been done is taking a big step backwards. Perhaps I'll change it later.

- Three Deuces.

- No hood, or perhaps just the top.

- Leave the interior until I wear it out, replacing several years from now with weathered black leather.

- Change the wheels to steel, with big / little bias plies. Black or white walls is the question? Perhaps keep the wires to change it up once in a while.

- Sell the glass fenders and get gennie steel ones that are nice or repairable. Having glass fenders would just bug the crap out of me.... that's just me.... but I have glass rear fenders on my 36 3W and I never have gotten over that. Paint the fenders black.

- Drive the piss out of the car

[Elrod]

Yeah. When I opened this thread I was expecting some pink with lazer stripes down the side. That green paint is RAD!

(But I would burn the interior) haha. Green and White vinyl tuck and roll, or black diamond vinyl.

You got a cool car there. Enjoy it!

[FalconMan]

Originally Posted by alchemy

Who striped your rearend? Is that Bell's work?

Unfortunately, I really don't have a lot of info on the car. Just like my other cars, it would be nice to know what had transpired over the years.

[Blades]

Man that is cool! Im loving that green!!!

[So-cal Tex]

Originally Posted by FalconMan

Thanks for all of the responses regarding my new Deuce. The excitement of the car is still having me bounce off the garage walls. It's like I am still dreaming I actually bought the car

Unfortunately I won't be able to start working on it until later this summer. I need to get my roadster back on the road after being tore apart in my shop for the last 2 years. I will be hitting the swap meets hard this summer trying to gather the right parts.

I do take most of the comments seriously. The plans are....


- Don't touch the body. The paint has really grown on me. Never would I have painted a car like this, but it's not a belly button car .....

- SBC / turbo 350 with vintage parts. Not what I dreamed of in a hot rod. I always wanted a nailhead or Olds Rocket, or Y-block with a T5.... But tearing the body off to redo the fabulous work that has been done is taking a big step backwards. Perhaps I'll change it later.

- Three Deuces.

- No hood, or perhaps just the top.

- Leave the interior until I wear it out, replacing several years from now with weathered black leather.

- Change the wheels to steel, with big / little bias plies. Black or white walls is the question? Perhaps keep the wires to change it up once in a while.

- Sell the glass fenders and get gennie steel ones that are nice or repairable. Having glass fenders would just bug the crap out of me.... that's just me.... but I have glass rear fenders on my 36 3W and I never have gotten over that. Paint the fenders black.

- Drive the piss out of the car

Good plan Doug, my vote is Black or dark green 16" steel wheels with black walls and mercury caps/ rings, I would run a hood top or a full hood unless the SBC you choose is dressed all in period goodies ( generator, front oil fill tube etc)

I like the steel fender idea, no need for plastic around here.The green paint is beautiful and to redo a paint job these days is too damn expensive .

[paperdog]

That looks like warren minick striping on the rear ?

[daddy_o's_diner]

Any updates on this?


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[brady1929]

Chop it chop it chop it

[Jason455]

Tint the windows assemble it and drive it. I could not ditch a new interior no matter what the style is.

[oneyellowtub]

Very unique car as is IMHO, and I like your plan for it.

[FalconMan]

Originally Posted by daddy_o's_diner

Any updates on this?


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Not really ....

Been buying stuff so I can start on it this fall. Picked up a set of gennie fenders, dropped headlight bar, and headlights. I also bought a 3 deuce set up for a sbc... now I am looking for a S10 T5 tranny.

[D.Conrad]

The wheels are not Tru-spokes or Daytons. They are Zenith wires.

[64Cyclone]

Old thread I know but I'm with Goatdave...I like the color. I think it would be easy to work with the existing paint and still make it traditional with the right interior change and wheel combo.

[titus]

i know Doug is working on the car, updates Doug!

Guffey, i think it might be a Keith Nybo interior.

[FalconMan]

Originally Posted by titus

i know Doug is working on the car, updates Doug!

Guffey, i think it might be a Keith Nybo interior.

Jeff ...I started a thread ....

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...=1#post8328948