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Old 02-24-2012, 04:51 PM   #1
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Ok guys a few weeks ago I bought an Alsa Spray On Chrome System(ChomeFX Pump system) for small items and Iīll be testing it against a small DIY Spray On Chrome System I assemble from off the shelf parts.



I also bought a few other things related to chrome like paint.

1. Innate Chrome Paint and its protective clear(will be testing it against no name chrome paint off a rattle can)

2. Caswell plating Ultra Chrome Powder coat

3. Caswell Plating Cerakote Chromex Ceramic coating(for High Heat parts)

4. Caswell Plating Liquid Powder(to make any powder Liquid and spray with a paint gun)

5. Caswell Plating Plugh and Plate Copy Chrome(Brush Plating) to chrome plate those small parts silvered with the spray on chrome system(for those that must have it real chrome plated)

at this moment they are here in Nicaragua and going thru Customs so by monday or tuesday I should have them...

Iīll be posting pics as soon as I can..
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Old 02-24-2012, 04:53 PM   #2
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Old 02-24-2012, 05:56 PM   #3
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please let us know
oh yes ofcourse..

here is a pic of Alsa Spray On Chrome FX pump system


its basically a way to spray on chrome without any air compressor or paint gun.

Iīll be testing it agains an off the shelf product I have tested before but not like this.


and also this..


I also want to Brush plate those small Items with CopyChrome(a nickel/tungsten alloy that looks just like chrome but is not toxic att all)

the pic below shows one of my silvered plastic spoon(from long ago)


what do you guys think? kinda cool uh?
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Old 02-25-2012, 01:02 PM   #6
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Old 02-25-2012, 01:09 PM   #7
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Just above the first post, click on "Thread Tools" and then "Subscribe to This Thread" (As I just did). The Caddy I'm working on has lots of chrome and it all needs to be done. I'm curious how well these products work. I've seen them advertised, but never talked to anyone that has actually used them.
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Old 02-25-2012, 01:10 PM   #8
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Go to the top of the page, just above the #1 thread, click on the "thread tools" in the red bar, for the drop box, click on the "subscribe to this thread", & set the way you want it.

BTW, have you checked for abrasion? Like say, on a front bumper, or mirror shell, or headlight rings? If this works well, at least DIY would be reasonable for touch-up/re-do. .

Would you mind posting the parts you used for the DIY from off the shelf stuff? TIA.

Thanks for the work & postings.

Marcus...

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Old 02-25-2012, 01:39 PM   #9
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Subscribe, more than curious. Jay Leno was bragging on some kinda stuff like this on one of the shows on Speed Channel TV recently. I didn't see the show, my son caught just the end of it. Matbe somebody who sees rhis thread will know sumpin about it.
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It should be interesting to see how this works out for you. Back in 2007 I sculptured the front end and doors for a 50 Merk lead sled. (Check out my picture album) The project was for a company building the body's in fiberglass. While I was at it I sculptured a new grill resembling the 52 Desoto along with making changes to the front bumper. All this is in fiberglass. So we got in touch with Alsa looking to purchase there products so that we could spray the grill and bumpers. We where told that for the quality that we where looking for we would need a clean room to do the spraying. Fiberglass shops are a dust bowl, so we asked it there where any shops in our area that we could job out the work to. They told us that there was only one shop that was in either Virginia, or Maryland that they would recommended. If they didn't have a clean room they couldn't get the quality. Where not talking about a regular spray booth, but a professional clean room. One speck of dust will ruin a job.
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Old 02-25-2012, 01:56 PM   #11
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Go to the top of the page, just above the #1 thread, click on the "thread tools" in the red bar, for the drop box, click on the "subscribe to this thread", & set the way you want it.
thank you all, I just subscribed to my own thread...

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BTW, have you checked for abrasion? Like say, on a front bumper, or mirror shell, or headlight rings? If this works well, at least DIY would be reasonable for touch-up/re-do.
do you mean how well does it stand up durability wise? well its as strong as the protective clear you use...

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Would you mind posting the parts you used for the DIY from off the shelf stuff? TIA.

Thanks for the work & postings.

Marcus...
I got the Idea from Old Time mirror makers, they used two hald held had triggers to spray the chemicals into the glass to make a mirror, its a good idea but not a practical one, it takes both hands to do it and you need to coordinate both hands at the same time and not all hand triggers are made the same... that was true untill a 2 part chemical triggers came into market...

it wasnīt untill Alsa Corp came up with their own Spray On Chrome Pump Fx system that I decided to built my own, just to test how good their chemicals are and how well they compared to off the shelf parts..(previously I had built an small spray on chrome system with home made silvering spray gun, made from two guns)

here is Alsa chrome Fx
http://www.alsacorp.com/products/chromefx/



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Old 02-25-2012, 03:08 PM   #12
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that looks nice uh? well its too expencive and it gives you very little to practise.. so what we do about it? we build a similar kit with off the shelf parts

we here the off the shelf alternatives
first we need a hand trigered sprayer that can spray 2 chemicals at the same time(equal amount of chemicals) fortunately for us Alsa is not the owner of this patent either either.

I bought this Dual Chamber from this page
http://www.excelsuppliesonline.com/b...ic/4,2059.html



ok that was the hand sprayer to spray the Silver to our small plastic surface. the stannous chloride sensitizer solution can be applied by a normal hand sprayer

now to the spray on chrome chemicals... or spray on "Silver" chemicals(thatīs what they trully are, a silver diamine complex [Ag(NH3)2]+ reacting to a reducer)

so far this are the least expencive I know of(peacock labs sell mirror chemicals but they are about 60% more expencive and they donīt sell the small quantities we need)

the chemicals I got them from
http://angelgilding.com/SpraySilver.html

silvering chemicals, will cover 133 sq/f(lots for practicing)


the Sensitizer


now to the base coat clear coat.
I have tried just about every kind of paint there is(lacquer, anamel, catalized enamel, urethane, Polyurethane, even some oil base paints) and the best ones are 2k Urethane of a good grade. you can use clear both as basecoat and clear coat. the clear needs to be of a crystalline transparency because if its not, it could dull the silvered parts..

another thing Iīll be testing is the Pour on Silvering, instead of spraying it


here is a video of them doing it..
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Old 02-26-2012, 01:29 AM   #14
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Thank you for the more detailed explanation. I'm getting it, now. Am quite curious what you find in your experiments.

Did you also try an aircraft epoxy clear? Like IMRON? Just curious.
Reason I ask, is, I'm thinking about a grill & bumpers for a '55 Stude. Lots of area = lots+ of expense .

I may have missed it, what is the temp range of this stuff, before it goes away. Or is the paint the limiting factor?

Sorry about the self-subscribing... I thought you wanted to know how for other threads... but I was laughing for a while... .

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Old 02-26-2012, 08:41 AM   #15
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Thank you for the more detailed explanation. I'm getting it, now. Am quite curious what you find in your experiments.
I will post pics of the Alsa vs off the shelf product as soon as I can.

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Did you also try an aircraft epoxy clear? Like IMRON? Just curious.
Reason I ask, is, I'm thinking about a grill & bumpers for a '55 Stude. Lots of area = lots+ of expense .
No I have not try it yet. but I have tried Sherwin williams 2k Clear coats, they seem to work best for me at this moment, as long as they are whater white(not yellow ones) I pay $4 for the 1/32th of a gallon .. I know the owner of the paint shop so he sells me this small quantities..

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I may have missed it, what is the temp range of this stuff, before it goes away. Or is the paint the limiting factor?
the paint its the limiting factor. Iīll be also trying to use a clear powder coat to see if I can improve durability..


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Sorry about the self-subscribing... I thought you wanted to know how for other threads... but I was laughing for a while... .

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Old 03-03-2012, 12:40 PM   #16
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I found a nice video of a similar product(not made by alsa but using same chemicals, silvering chemicals)

this is how our DIY Spray on Chrome small kit will look lik(with off the shelf parts)

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...marked.
not bad uh? not bad at all...
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So... when are you going to try it?
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Old 03-04-2012, 10:10 AM   #20
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So... when are you going to try it?
as long as the guys at customs are done.. I am so pissed they are taking this long... I bought the products on mid january, took a 2 weeks for my shipping company to shipp(marine shipping) and now the customs are taking their sweet time...
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hey fred there you go , spray chrome your t bucket body , : )
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Interested to see results as the price of chroming is outrageous.
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Is any of that stuff good for styrene plastics???..... Like model kits???
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Is any of that stuff good for styrene plastics???..... Like model kits???
well ofcourse... you just need to prep the part for the basecoat(the base coat may eat the styrene if not prep) you could use a water based base coat and then apply the automotive basecoat ontop...
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details details details.....
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details details details.....

Well guys I just got my things today and...... Testing will commence NOW...!
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Very cool, anxious to see some results...
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Very cool, anxious to see some results...
I got a sample of "Strecht On Chrome" film and so far I can tell its not "Spray on Chrome". what they did is just use their Mirra Chrome Paint(which is just paint not silver) is as good as the Best chrome paint I have seen so far..
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I found a nice video of a similar product(not made by alsa but using same chemicals, silvering chemicals)

this is how our DIY Spray on Chrome small kit will look lik(with off the shelf parts)

Looked like it worked well, but man that's a lot of spray and waste for that small of a part.
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Looked like it worked well, but man that's a lot of spray and waste for that small of a part.
True.. but you only need(subject of further testing) about 10ml of the silvering chemical(needs to be diluted with destilled water) to cover 10 Sq/f

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now the contenders first Face OFF..



Stain Magic dual Chamber bottle(the underdog contender to the championship)


I'm rooting for the Underdog...
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here are a few more pics..

Alsa ChromeFX Pump Kit




off the shelf counterpart




Iīll be providing further details at a later time guys, right know I am super bussy...
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I'm interested to see where you're going with this. Might be good for small interior stuff at least.
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well ofcourse... you just need to prep the part for the basecoat(the base coat may eat the styrene if not prep) you could use a water based base coat and then apply the automotive basecoat ontop...
Sweeeeeeeet! Thanks!
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things you will need...

a Pump Sprayer(to rinse the pieces thru the entire process)


a Hair Blower(so you can blow dry the piece after the silvering)


the Alsa Chrome FX pum kit comes with preasure paint sprayers so you can spray their base coat and clear coat(can only use it one time)


but I will not be using it, I will use a small spray paint gun with a small compressor(for small parts that need to be base coated and clear coat it, no need for a compressor in this spray on chrome kits)


now you may want to use Krylon fusion for plastics, I have used it in my plastic spoons and it works like no other(the paint just wont come off no matter what, and you only need 1 mist coat thatīs all)

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I'm assuming of course that the Krylon is applied UNDER the Spray on Chrome . like "Alclad" of course .................. scrubba
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I'm assuming of course that the Krylon is applied UNDER the Spray on Chrome . like "Alclad" of course .................. scrubba
NO... the Krylon fusion platic paint will be under the glossy black base coat...
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nicamarvin, enjoying this thread a lot!

I also got a sampler of the NEW "Stretch Chrome" film by Alsa. Iīll be testing it out..keep posted...
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NO... the Krylon fusion platic paint will be under the glossy black base coat...
Like a primer
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Like a primer
Correct..


Guys I have bad news... I did a sampler of both products just so I get to know them before the big show down.. the samples were done in my favorite testing piece! the "Plastic" spoons....

but guess whats the bad news? alsa sent me the wrong chemicals and they labeled them wrong(I had to use my nose, yeah I know its not a good way to do it).. and I didīnt find out untill I had used the chemicals, they were just not reacting and when placed together in a single jar(so they could react) they didnīt react at all, heck I did one experiment using the silver nitrate chemical using tap water to test for chloride Ions(found on all tap water as they have chlorine added to the water) you can read more about this test here http://www.tis-gdv.de/tis_e/misc/silber.htm

well I did the same test on all chemicals and none tested positive

so, for now(Iīll try to contact them to see whatīs up, but I am not holding my breath on returns to NICARAGUA) Iīll will not be able to test the Alsa "Spray On Chrome" FX pump chemicals...

I did test for the angel gilding chemicals and so far they are doing just fine..

Pics will folow soon...
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Silvered Spoons using Angel Gilding chemicals(so far their sensitizer seem to be their weak link, Iīll explain later)

the spoons have been cleared with a water based sealer for temporary protection(will later use 2k Clear coat)





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Well, those look good.
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Well, those look good.
They do look good, even after cleared, but I have nothing else to tested against, its a shame I not could test Alsa(I already contacted them, waiting on response) I am really bummed out..

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well I got back from them.. they will send me a nother package, but it will take another month to test it out, so far I have test their clear with AngelGilding chemicals and Oh boy... its amazing, I thought I had that issue clear out(pun intended) well I guess Iīll try to make something similar using their clear as example..


I got some more pics and a very short video coming your way...
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hey guys seems like the folks at Angelgilding(I am a happy customer so far) are now selling dual chambered hand triger sprayers also, this was not the case a while ago when I was building my small DIY Spray On chrome system in january.. its a bummer because I could have seaved a dollar on the bottles and $13 on shipping... :lol:

here is their sprayers..
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Has anyone here tried Eastwoods Liquid Chrome?
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Has anyone here tried Eastwoods Liquid Chrome?
not me, but by the look of it its just chrome paint..


I will be testing Innate Chrome Paint soon also..
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Damn , looking at this topic to me is as good as the Vintage shots of Days Gone by ! I love this place !!!!!!!!! scrubba
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I'm in ... VERY interesting ...............................

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I'm in ... VERY interesting ...............................

....... jersey Skip
well guys I graduated from Plastic spoons to motorbike plastic parts... :lol:

here is a Motorbike Headlight cover before the "Spray On Chrome"(using Angel Gilding chemicals and wetting agent which helped me alot)

Plastic Headlight cover(prep using Krylong Fusion as glue for the base coat, what you see here is the system ready for the chrome. so it has the basecoat), keep in mind that if you start with a mirror like basecoat you will end up with on, but if your basecoat its dull and scratch.. you will end up with a dull scratchy mirror..



now with the Spray On Silver(I will upload a video of the pumping process)








here is Short video of the Drying process(will upload the longer one soon)



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The issue is with a clearcoat to seal the silvering... If any oxygen gets to the silver, from the front or back, it will tarnish, even yellow... Spectra Chrome puts a light purple candy in their clear to look more like chrome, but it's not enough to overcome the yellow tinge that happens a year (or less) down the road.

If you overcome the oxygen getting to the silver, and you tint it, you've got this process perfected. Also, if you figure out a clear coating that withstand some high temps... Whoo hoo!!!
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The issue is with a clearcoat to seal the silvering... If any oxygen gets to the silver, from the front or back, it will tarnish, even yellow... Spectra Chrome puts a light purple candy in their clear to look more like chrome, but it's not enough to overcome the yellow tinge that happens a year (or less) down the road.

If you overcome the oxygen getting to the silver, and you tint it, you've got this process perfected. Also, if you figure out a clear coating that withstand some high temps... Whoo hoo!!!
True... Thanks to Alsa(Chrome Fx Pump) system I have access to their tinted clear coat and I have copied the right purple tone.. the clear I will use is automotive grade 2k Urethane clear, I will post pics of that headlight cover in a few months from now...
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I am wondering, how would this process hold up for a headlight reflector? Could it withstand the heat? Can this even be sprayed over a silver plated reflector or would all the silver have to be stripped so the brass is exposed? Would the brass have to top coated with a base color?
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Another thought, even if you have a reflector resilvered I've read the silver will tarnish. Do you think the 2K urethan clear could seal the silver plating. My concerns would be, again, the heat and second, I think the urethane would need something to bite into, I think the actual silver plating would be too hard for the urethane to bite into.
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Another thought, even if you have a reflector resilvered I've read the silver will tarnish. Do you think the 2K urethan clear could seal the silver plating. My concerns would be, again, the heat and second, I think the urethane would need something to bite into, I think the actual silver plating would be too hard for the urethane to bite into.
if you already have a silver plated reflector a 2k Urethane its all you need. you see silver its different from chrome, you can clear over it without any issues, now Iīve been told that 2k urethane clears can withstand up to 300 degrees.. but donīt take my word for it..

you canīt spray on silver ontop of already silvered part. you would need to start all over again(basecoat/silver/topcoat)
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White paint works good for tailights, headlights are a whole different deal.
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Do you know how close the products you're experimenting with are to silver plating like originally used on the reflectors? I do understand it's not the same, the silver plating process, I'm assuming, is like chrome plating. I talked to a couple of places that do the silver plating, $80-100 a piece, and they've told me there is no coating that can be applied that won't diminish the reflective properties of silver. There is a place that is mentioned quite often, Uvira in OR, who applies an aluminum coating and covers it with a glass coating, this is the only procedure I've read about that a protective coating is applied.

Caswell has a couple of products they say are good to use on reflectors, have you checked them out?
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Do you know how close the products you're experimenting with are to silver plating like originally used on the reflectors? I do understand it's not the same, the silver plating process, I'm assuming, is like chrome plating. I talked to a couple of places that do the silver plating, $80-100 a piece, and they've told me there is no coating that can be applied that won't diminish the reflective properties of silver. There is a place that is mentioned quite often, Uvira in OR, who applies an aluminum coating and covers it with a glass coating, this is the only procedure I've read about that a protective coating is applied.

Caswell has a couple of products they say are good to use on reflectors, have you checked them out?
well its silver plating(not electroplating but catalized plating instead, it maight work, donīt know untill I try it)

I have not tried Caswell reflector products, but I bought their Super Chrome powder coat and a ceramic chrome like coating for hight temp items..

here check the Final Video of me Spray On Chroming with my DIY kit..

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looks pretty good,your up close and touchy,feely. what do you think?
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That Hydro Chrome system is pretty cool. I have to agree that it looks better than the systems that use paint guns and air compressors, but that is a tiny little matchbox car, not a very good show and tell.
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That Hydro Chrome system is pretty cool. I have to agree that it looks better than the systems that use paint guns and air compressors, but that is a tiny little matchbox car, not a very good show and tell.
thatīs why I had to step up the game...

I am sure I can do a wheel rim using one bottle on each hand...
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That Hydro Chrome system is pretty cool. I have to agree that it looks better than the systems that use paint guns and air compressors, but that is a tiny little matchbox car, not a very good show and tell.
Iīm not using the Hydro Chrome system, but its a very similar one. the Hydro Chrome System is from the UK I think..

this is how it looks after dry time..
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I hoping this works out. I have a few inside trim pieces that I could use this on.
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I hoping this works out. I have a few inside trim pieces that I could use this on.
Practice makes perfect.. I used Plastic spoons and used them till I had the perfect mirror. believe me you will not do this right the first time heck it could take you a while, but donīt give up. I never did, and Iīve been wanting this for such a long time(since 2009).. at first I wasted all of chemicals and I obtained nothing but a heartache. but I never gave up, I started again knowing it could be done.

below quote its from 2009 ( http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1164293 )
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Hi to you all guys, I am in the prosses of building a SMALL "Spray On Chrome System" like the guys from Alsa Corps, but way way more cheaper, I have all my ideas in my head and actually have bought some products, but if you have any more ideas on the progect please let me know.....
heck I built a hand crafted dual headed Spray gun to spray the Silver. it works but the Hand trigger bottles are so much better I have yet to dust out my old gun...
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I really appreciate what you have done and the money you've spent trying to perfect this system. It is saving all of us a fortune.

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I really appreciate what you have done and the money you've spent trying to perfect this system. It is saving all of us a fortune.

Thanks
no problemo.! I just know somebody will try this and fail a few times and get a hearache like I did, thaīts why Iīm here, Iīll help you out as I have learn the hardway untill I got that perfect mirror you see in that plastic bike headlight cover.

my cousing will be racing that motorbike and it will have a few other items chromed and people will see them and love them(I already have my first sell)
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just a few update
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Iīll post pics of this bike in a few months to see how it has held up to the road..

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The front of the bike looks like the perfect test enviroment for it. If it can hold up in that location it should hold up almost anywhere on a car.

If it works out you're gonna get BIG chrome really pissed off
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The front of the bike looks like the perfect test enviroment for it. If it can hold up in that location it should hold up almost anywhere on a car.
True. thatīs why it has 2 tinted coats(purple to nullify the natural yellowish color silver has) and and 2 none tinted 2k Urethane clear coat. I know it will get small scratches like all paints do, but with a light buff and it should be fine, and after a few years another light coat of clear should be fine.

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If it works out you're gonna get BIG chrome really pissed off
well Iīm glad I am in Nicaragua where there is only one Big chrome shop and it belongs to my dad, and we are working together as of now, I will be "Chroming" the plastic parts and he will do the metal parts(except for old pot metal)...


just to clarify: I received the Alsa Spray On Chrome Fx Pump system, but I got two part B(one labeled as Part A) so I could not test how good their system, but from the few experiments I have done with what I have from them(top coat, sensitizer) their system seems to be of the highest quality, their tinted(right tone of purple) top coat is spot on, and is tinted using kandy tones instead of color paint which is what I do, infact the one I did before getting my packages was not the right tone but thanks to their clear I got the right tone and I can mix my onw clear now. their sensitizer seems to work faster and leaves a whiter tone instead of the natural silver tone you will find in mirrors(the chemicals I use are to spray silver mirrors), one issue I have with them is the amount you have to pay for so little coverage, out of all of their system(including their $8,000 one) this is the most expencive money Sq/f whise...Iīm just sad I could not fully test their system.. the last I heard was that they were going to send me another package but I havenīt heard back from them in a few days.. Iīll keep you posted if I get the chance to test them out.

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The front of the bike looks like the perfect test enviroment for it.
how about that bikeīs shock absorber covers..



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Million dollar question:


As someone who works in plating, do YOU think this is a process that a patient and thorough amateur/semi-pro could make convincing (say from 5-10 feet away) chrome with? How big a piece could one get a convincing chrome replication on? A chrome mirror? Door handle? bumper? A set of chrome letters (think 1960s F-O-R-D on hood)?
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Unless there is durable clear finish proved I don't think this process would work for exterior parts, especially a part that is on the front of a vehicle where it's exposed to a rough environment. I think for interior parts this could be the answer.

I'm really interested in seeing how this holds up on the motorcycle. It would be great if it holds up. If it can take a beating and can be used on a bumper or grill that would be great. It may not have the exact appearance as real chrome but for a non show car it just might be the ticket. I think it would look a lot better than painted trim.
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As someone who works in plating, do YOU think this is a process that a patient and thorough amateur/semi-pro could make convincing (say from 5-10 feet away) chrome with?
Yes ofcourse, it takes practice to get the right tone, as Silver is not chrome and does not share its bluish tone, Silver is a softer warmer tone, so how you tint the clear coat its how its going to look


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How big a piece could one get a convincing chrome replication on? A chrome mirror? Door handle? bumper? A set of chrome letters (think 1960s F-O-R-D on hood)?
let me tell you something, the spray on Chrome(Silver) its a great alternative to real chrome, but thatīs only when you want to reproduce chrome, now it does not have the same limitations as real chrome so the sky its the limit when you go out of the box, say somebody wants green chrome in his 12 feet tall statue? no prob, say somebody wants to chrome his wood chair? no prob, somebody wants to chrome his entire car in pink chrome? No problemo.. you see this process can go anywhere and size does not matter, just how deep is the customerīs pocket...

so it may come second to chrome but its socond to none in things chrome canīt be done...
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Unless there is durable clear finish proved I don't think this process would work for exterior parts, especially a part that is on the front of a vehicle where it's exposed to a rough environment. I think for interior parts this could be the answer.
I only use 2K urethane clear coat, this is an automotive grade coating..

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I'm really interested in seeing how this holds up on the motorcycle. It would be great if it holds up. If it can take a beating and can be used on a bumper or grill that would be great. .
how about a bike shock absorber covers?









let see how it holds up in a few months...
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let see how it holds up in a few months...
That's my major concern, what will it look like in a few months, or a few years.
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Too Cool, I wonder how it would work on pitted metal?

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That's my major concern, what will it look like in a few months, or a few years.
Iīd be happy if it makes it past 1 year, after that its all fair game for business

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as long as the piece is prep to a mirror like base coat then it should turn out like a mirror. its all in the prep..
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What grade of sand paper did you finish the parts off with before you coated them?
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What grade of sand paper did you finish the parts off with before you coated them?
before the "Chrome"(Silver)? well nothing, so far I have yet to polish any piece before the "Chrome" if I like how the basecoat went(no orange peel) I just degrease, and apply wetting agent(so the chemicals flow nice) and keep it wet before the sensitizer, after the sensitizer has been in the piece for 30 seconds, I rinse and rinse some more and then the Spray on Silver comes into play...

or are you talking about the prep before the basecoat? in that case I just degrease the plastic piece, then do a light coat(mist coat) of Krylong fusion for plastics(just mist coat, nothing more) allow it to flash for 20 minutes, then apply the black base coat(in this case since the plastic and the krylon paint were all black, I just applied a none tinted clear coat directly) and thatīs how I prep my plastic parts. metal parts should be different, but I have yet to do a metal part in spray on chrome. this process work best for plastics, metals can be real chrome plated, unless pot metal..

as cheap as this process may seem to you in the USA. its actually a little bit more expensive here in Nicaragua, where my dad can chrome a rear bumper(Medium Truck like a Toyota) for $175 and if the same piece were to be Spray On Chromed its going to be around $200. so all Iīll be doing for now its Plastic, wood and fiber glass, or whatever he canīt plate

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Iīll be doing my first FiberGlass piece...

this time Iīll be testing my buffing technique on this piece, Iīll have to buff the basecoat before the Chrome... Paint didnīt go as perfect as I was hoping for..



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Would you say the coating is more of a chemical, maybe molecular bond, than a mechanical bond? I'm not a high tech guy so I may not know exactly what is going on here. I do know when you apply most paints you have to have some tooth in the substructure for the paint to make a mechanical bond to. With procedure would you want as close to a glass like finish as possible? I've been reading your posts and know this is basically the same procedure used for coating glass to make mirrors but mirrors aren't subjected to the same environment as a auto body part.
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What is the cost of the kit you have put together? I have been thinking about buying the Alsa Killer Cans kit to sliver the gauge cluster, radio bezel and armrest bases in my 65 Barracuda. These are all plastic parts. I think the liquid process would be a better finish since the bezels have so many ridges.

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Would you say the coating is more of a chemical, maybe molecular bond, than a mechanical bond?
its a chemical and molecular bond, the sensitizer is doing the job here and helped by the wetting agent..

maybe I forgot to mention this important piece of info, you will need a wetting agent so the chemicals flow nice on the surface of the piece, its a must for a successful process. its so cheap($13 the 250Ml bottle) I just re ordered 3 more bottles(to be in the safe side) aside from more chemicals.

here is how the wetting agent looks



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I'm not a high tech guy so I may not know exactly what is going on here.
its so far from high tech its not even funny.. I think silvering mirrors using these chemicals(was not sprayed back then) goes back to the 1800s

from the Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror
"The invention of the silvered-glass mirror is credited to German chemist Justus von Liebig in 1835.[18] His process involved the deposition of a thin layer of metallic silver onto glass through the chemical reduction of silver nitrate. This silvering process was adapted for mass manufacturing and led to the greater availability of affordable mirrors. Nowadays, mirrors are often produced by the vacuum deposition of aluminium (or sometimes silver) directly onto the glass substrate"

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I do know when you apply most paints you have to have some tooth in the substructure for the paint to make a mechanical bond to.
see above..

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With procedure would you want as close to a glass like finish as possible?
thatīs correct. remember how I was going to polish the piece? well I did and I left no orange peel to be seen, but I was not able to get back that same shine you get from a fresh painted untouched painted surface, so the silver looked like semi polished stainless steel and not like the shiny chrome I was going for, so as of today Iīll be outsourcing the preping and basecoating of my parts, Iīll be doing the Silvering and clear coating myself.

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I've been reading your posts and know this is basically the same procedure used for coating glass to make mirrors but mirrors aren't subjected to the same environment as a auto body part.
True. but the best mirrors were made to last 50 years and more. these mirrors that are going to be subject to road use canīt be expected to last that but more like a few years with dedicated care.
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What is the cost of the kit you have put together?
I would say about $200 total for about 60 to 70 Sq/f of silvered surface.

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I have been thinking about buying the Alsa Killer Cans kit to sliver the gauge cluster, radio bezel and armrest bases in my 65 Barracuda.
Alsa Killer cans are not real Silver, but tiny Aluminum flakes. if they are as good as their mirra chrome and the pieces are prep to a mirror like black base, then I can see them giving you a nice look.


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These are all plastic parts. I think the liquid process would be a better finish since the bezels have so many ridges.
you need to understand that the prep its the same for both chrome paint and spray on chrome. why? well they both need to have a mirror like black base before the chrome or spray on silver. because if this is not achieved then you will end up with a dull finish. depending how good of a painter you are you may expect minor orange peel.
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Have you tried to a piece that doesn't get completely coated? Something like a interior trim piece that has chrome outer edge and maybe an interior edge but the rest is painted black. How good can you mask the non chromed area? I just want to throw these questions to see what you have done and maybe give you another scenario to think about. We all are follow your research, I sure it's going to help all of us.
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Have you tried to a piece that doesn't get completely coated? Something like a interior trim piece that has chrome outer edge and maybe an interior edge but the rest is painted black. How good can you mask the non chromed area? I just want to throw these questions to see what you have done and maybe give you another scenario to think about. We all are follow your research, I sure it's going to help all of us.
you can do it two ways, to silver the entire surface(applaying more silver to the outer edges) and clear coat the entire piece. then paint the black parts with black at a later time, removing any excess..

or you could tape the black parts and just treat the outer edges, remember that any part not treated with the sensitizer its not going to be silvered.

Iīm actally learning all of the paint tricks as I go along, I am far from a master painter, just learning as I go.
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Thanks, Iīm trying my best. Iīm out for today buddy... Iīll see you tomorrow
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What is the cost of the kit you have put together? I have been thinking about buying the Alsa Killer Cans kit to sliver the gauge cluster, radio bezel and armrest bases in my 65 Barracuda. These are all plastic parts. I think the liquid process would be a better finish since the bezels have so many ridges.

Pics are not my stuff, just for an example.
You may want to look into these guys for rechroming the plastic stuff. They've been doing it for years.

http://www.mrgusa.com/rechrome.htm
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You may want to look into these guys for rechroming the plastic stuff. They've been doing it for years.

http://www.mrgusa.com/rechrome.htm

Mr G's uses the old vacuum metallizing method. Deposits aluminum in a vacuum chamber. Not durable.
Mr G's quality has been spotty from what I have read.
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Hey, Marvin;

You mentioned pot metal. Have you played w/this yet? For what your dad charges for bumpers, it's about 1/2 what a decent one would cost here in the states. I'm interested in this, to see how it'd work on the grill for a '55 stude. Lots of expanse, & resulting stupid expense for the brightwork in real chrome. . Tough to justify. Also kinda wondering how black chrome would turn out (how close to the orig type/look), after seeing your blue chrome.

Thanks for taking on this project, & posting results. .

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Hey, Marvin;

You mentioned pot metal. Have you played w/this yet?
I have yet to work on pot metal parts with this process, but it should be the same as plastic. prep, basecoat, spray chrome, clear..

I am doing a pot metal piece but in Innate Chrome Paint instead. you can read more about it here http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=677707


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For what your dad charges for bumpers, it's about 1/2 what a decent one would cost here in the states. I'm interested in this, to see how it'd work on the grill for a '55 stude. Lots of expanse, & resulting stupid expense for the brightwork in real chrome. . Tough to justify.
labor its real cheap here thats why he is able to charge so little and I will be doing pieces he cant do like plastic, wood, fiberglass and things like that


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Also kinda wondering how black chrome would turn out (how close to the orig type/look), after seeing your blue chrome. .
I have yet try black chrome, but I am sure it would look awesome

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Iīll be doing my first FiberGlass piece...

this time Iīll be testing my buffing technique on this piece, Iīll have to buff the basecoat before the Chrome... Paint didnīt go as perfect as I was hoping for..



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a cookie to the first one to spot the mistake my prep man did in this piece(which so far is fine with the customer)
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Marvin;

Looks like one hole is missing out of the three. & is it just reflection, or is there ripples/low spot near the center hole?

Marcus...
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Looks like one hole is missing out of the three..
you sir. get the cookie....

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is it just reflection, or is there ripples/low spot near the center hole?

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I am doing the wheel center caps for a customer..

here is how it looks after the spray on chrome, I am geting better at shooting paint without orange peel, thatīs the secret to mirror like shine..



here is short video of the cap..


guys I know you have questions, so go ahead and ask
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Iīll be doing this plastic part from a bike..





this is my Paint team..




this is the SW 2k urethane paint I use as basecoat/topcoat


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Iīll be doing my first Large piece, seems Iīll be dusting off my old hand crafted dual headed spray gun..





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since I dont have cany paint dies, I use a few drops of color in the clear to give it a colored chrome look, so far this are the only colors I can produce, I have tried others but they just dont work at all..

Blue chrome




Blue Chrome Videos






Violet Chrome




Violet Chrome video


Magenta Chrome




Magenta Chrome Video


Green Chrome




Green Chrome Video



Ive been wanting to post videos of how the wetting agent works and why is important in this process, but I keep forgetting, next week I will have that video done..
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updates on the large fiberglass bumper

this is how it looks after all of the prep..






and this is how I plan to "Chrome" this bumper, I plan on doing it in 5 segments, this is the first one ready to be chrome..







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some updates pics..

here is how the large fiberglass piece is looking now, I am not done with it yet, I will show the finished piece latter..







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Whhaaatt!! That's it?? You're a cruel man to keep us in suspense. Show us the end results of the bumper.

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BTW - subscribed.
Iīm still working on that large piece, those pics were from yesterday, I have untill friday to le the piece go, I am doing it in segments because the DIY System is for small to medium pieces, but I was begged to do the piece and the $250 price forced my hand, takes lots of prep work, so far I have only used 8 ml of the spray on silver chemicals on the piece, I expect to use a total of 14 ml out of the 120 ml bottles, so is not bad...

I am Also going to do this piece


and I did a series II Land Rover front grill wich I havent uploaded the pics yet..

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I am Also going to do this piece


and I did a series II Land Rover front grill wich I havent uploaded the pics yet..
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and the series II land rover grill

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Hi all,

I am really green at all this forum stuff, so I hope I have done this correctly!


I am so grateful for all the hard work been done on this thread.

I do have a question to ask if I may, if possible could you please list all the equiptment neccasary to replicate the D.I.Y. kit, also what products do you find work well together?

I noticed you like to use clearcoat as you basecoat, have you found this to be sufficient enough instead of an actual basecoat tinted black? (obviously for those jobs that are not black already!)

Thank you in advance my friend.

Oh and how is that number bar turning out mate, it looks wild.

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I do have a question to ask if I may, if possible could you please list all the equiptment neccasary to replicate the D.I.Y. kit, also what products do you find work well together?
this is from page 1 of this thread
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that looks nice uh? well its too expencive and it gives you very little to practise.. so what we do about it? we build a similar kit with off the shelf parts

we here the off the shelf alternatives
first we need a hand trigered sprayer that can spray 2 chemicals at the same time(equal amount of chemicals) fortunately for us Alsa is not the owner of this patent either either.

I bought this Dual Chamber from this page
http://www.excelsuppliesonline.com/b...ic/4,2059.html



ok that was the hand sprayer to spray the Silver to our small plastic surface. the stannous chloride sensitizer solution can be applied by a normal hand sprayer

now to the spray on chrome chemicals... or spray on "Silver" chemicals(thatīs what they trully are, a silver diamine complex [Ag(NH3)2]+ reacting to a reducer)

so far this are the least expencive I know of(peacock labs sell mirror chemicals but they are about 60% more expencive and they donīt sell the small quantities we need)

the chemicals I got them from
http://angelgilding.com/SpraySilver.html

silvering chemicals, will cover 133 sq/f(lots for practicing)


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things you will need...

a Pump Sprayer(to rinse the pieces thru the entire process)


a Hair Blower(so you can blow dry the piece after the silvering)


the Alsa Chrome FX pum kit comes with preasure paint sprayers so you can spray their base coat and clear coat(can only use it one time)


but I will not be using it, I will use a small spray paint gun with a small compressor(for small parts that need to be base coated and clear coat it, no need for a compressor in this spray on chrome kits)


now you may want to use Krylon fusion for plastics, I have used it in my plastic spoons and it works like no other(the paint just wont come off no matter what, and you only need 1 mist coat thatīs all)

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its a chemical and molecular bond, the sensitizer is doing the job here and helped by the wetting agent..

maybe I forgot to mention this important piece of info, you will need a wetting agent so the chemicals flow nice on the surface of the piece, its a must for a successful process. its so cheap($13 the 250Ml bottle) I just re ordered 3 more bottles(to be in the safe side) aside from more chemicals.

here is how the wetting agent looks

now thatīs for small to medium pieces, now for larger parts I would(I wish the had this kit when I was making my kit) use this pump kit.
http://angelgilding.com/A1114.html

for $340 you get the complete pumping kit(120ml chemicals, wetting agent and equipment) and you dont have to pump as much as with the hand trigger sprayers. but for small to medium pieces the hand triggers work like a charm

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I noticed you like to use clearcoat as you basecoat, have you found this to be sufficient enough instead of an actual basecoat tinted black? (obviously for those jobs that are not black already!)
Clearcoat is good enough, it will stick to primer just like single stage will. I only use Sherwin williams clear as my base coat, tinted clear and clear coat, I like to simplify things.

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Oh and how is that number bar turning out mate, it looks wild.
what number bar?
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Hey nicamarvin,

Thanx for that run down of what is required, I had seen those items posted earlier in this thread, however I was curious as to wether you had found some things to work better than others, its much appriciated mate.

Sorry, I meant "how is that bumper bar going!" Damn auto spell!

Hey, another question I noticed you said;

[QUOTE=nicamarvin;7542591]Silvered Spoons using Angel Gilding chemicals(so far their sensitizer seem to be their weak link, Iīll explaine later)

Have you found their sensitizer to work ok or is there another option, or have I missed something?!

Thanx again.
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Hey nicamarvin,

Thanx for that run down of what is required, I had seen those items posted earlier in this thread, however I was curious as to wether you had found some things to work better than others, its much appriciated mate.
what things? the hardware or the chemicals? because the hardware is or the equipment is very simple, at least 3 dualchambered hand triggered sprayer and about 2 pump sprayers to rinse the piece, the hair dryer could be more powerful but the one I am using is ok for now. now for chemicals, I only use angelgilding chemicals so far. for basecoat and clear coat, I use shewin williams clear coat. I try to laid the bascoat as perfect as possible because if is not then you will not be able to get that mirror look

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Sorry, I meant "how is that bumper bar going!" Damn auto spell!
the bumper did not come out well at all, it because I had to do it in segmented parts, because this kit is for small to medium pieces, that bus bumper is about 2.15m and you can see where one segment starts and when the other begins, the tone of the chrome on each segment is not uniform, but the customer is ok, I wish I had more Innate Chrome Paint with me so I couldīv done the piece with chrome paint instead, I am good at chrome paint..

in the future I will be purchasing angelgilding larger pump kit so I can do larger parts

[QUOTE=freethinka;7694356]Hey, another question I noticed you said;

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Silvered Spoons using Angel Gilding chemicals(so far their sensitizer seem to be their weak link, Iīll explaine later)

Have you found their sensitizer to work ok or is there another option, or have I missed something?!

Thanx again.
well their sensitizer is not as good as alsaīs seem to be, seems like it does not have enough wetting agents included with it meaning that if you dont use the wetting agent listed here you will not get a perfect mirror as the chemicals wont flow as nice. and once dry(before the clear coat) is not as durable as the one shown in the Hydrochrome video I posted here. if you rubb the surface with your finger it will come off. thatīs the sensitizer job, to glue the silver to the basecoat. but remember that this chemicals are made for mirrors. but I had a feeling they could also be used as spray on chrome alternative(at the time I first purchased their chemicals way back on 2009 there were no reference of spray on chrome on the angelgilding website)

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Sorry, I meant "how is that bumper bar going!" Damn auto spell!
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the bumper did not come out well at all, it because I had to do it in segmented parts, because this kit is for small to medium pieces
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I am happy for you it is going well, but i would really want to see the finished bumper.
My wish is to see the edges of the two phases in silvering.
Ok I have a few update pics, they are not good at all, but you live and you learn right?

ok this was the big issue going on with this large piece, I was doing a piece at a time and since I could not silver ontop of another silver layer so I had to clear the piece before.

you will see how the lines looked, in this pic I was using untinted clear thatīs why it looks yellow instead of chrome, the tinted clear goes after.


now this is how the whole piece looks after the tinted clear and chrome paint applied to the segment joints. I don't know if the cure is worse than the disease but I did it anyways, the customer is ok with it, I told him that once I get my hand on a larger equipment I am going to do it again for free..

the line you see is a pole not a white line, you can see how the violet tinted clear can turn this thing into a chrome look a like






this is how bad the piece looked before


aside from the obvious parts where the Innate chrome paint went to, I used it to fix minor issues on the large piece.

this is a short video of the large piece
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I just uploaded 2 videos of the wetting agent doing its thing, the video was taken a few weeks ago with a different camara which I just had access to it.

first video of a piece without wetting agent


now with the wetting agent


the wetting agent is need with this kit, with alsa their sensitizer has already the wetting agent included
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[QUOTE=nicamarvin;7696449]what things? the hardware or the chemicals? because the hardware is or the equipment is very simple, at least 3 dualchambered hand triggered sprayer and about 2 pump sprayers to rinse the piece, the hair dryer could be more powerful but the one I am using is ok for now. now for chemicals, I only use angelgilding chemicals so far. for basecoat and clear coat, I use shewin williams clear coat. I try to laid the bascoat as perfect as possible because if is not then you will not be able to get that mirror look

I meant both the products and the chemicals, thanx.


the bumper did not come out well at all, it because I had to do it in segmented parts, because this kit is for small to medium pieces, that bus bumper is about 2.15m and you can see where one segment starts and when the other begins, the tone of the chrome on each segment is not uniform, but the customer is ok, I wish I had more Innate Chrome Paint with me so I couldīv done the piece with chrome paint instead, I am good at chrome paint..

I understand, I do think you may have stumbled accross another feature,
When a customer has a flat panel and requires the look of multiple panels joined together, this look may work.


in the future I will be purchasing angelgilding larger pump kit so I can do larger parts


Yeah, good idea, I am toying up with either setting up with spray guns straight away or purchasing this kit. http://angelgilding.com/A1114.html So that I can learn the craft first, however for the price of this kit I may be able to set up with spray guns, not sure if this is accurate as yet as I am still researching.

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Hey, another question I noticed you said;

well their sensitizer is not as good as alsaīs seem to be, seems like it does not have enough wetting agents included with it meaning that if you dont use the wetting agent listed here you will not get a perfect mirror as the chemicals wont flow as nice. and once dry(before the clear coat) is not as durable as the one shown in the Hydrochrome video I posted here. if you rubb the surface with your finger it will come off. thatīs the sensitizer job, to glue the silver to the basecoat. but remember that this chemicals are made for mirrors. but I had a feeling they could also be used as spray on chrome alternative(at the time I first purchased their chemicals way back on 2009 there were no reference of spray on chrome on the angelgilding website)


Thanx for that reply, I am interested to know if the addition of the wetting agent solves the issue of the sensitizer not binding properly, in other words, by adding the wetting agent, does the chrome still rub off or has it binded better?

hope this helps

Yes it has thanx mate.


I have done a lot of research in the last week and if I am remembering well, then did you say your dad has been chroming for many years, if so I am curious as to how the angil guilding finished product compares to actual chroming?
For example I notice that chromefx claims their finished product will be around 95% as transparent or shiny as actual chrome.

Which leads me to the next question, have you been able to use the chromefx products to compare the difference? Or are you happy with the results you are getting so far.

Sorry for the collection of questions, I am keen to learn and appriciate the hard work you have done.

Thanx.

P.s. I have not figured out how to "quote" like you do
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For example I notice that chromefx claims their finished product will be around 95% as transparent or shiny as actual chrome.

Which leads me to the next question, have you been able to use the chromefx products to compare the difference? Or are you happy with the results you are getting so far.
so far I have not been able to test the ChromeFx chemicals, the customs process is a very long one, if done well the spray on chrome can be as shiny as real chrome but takes time to master it
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so far I have not been able to test the ChromeFx chemicals, the customs process is a very long one, if done well the spray on chrome can be as shiny as real chrome but takes time to master it
I just got my hands on my corrected chemicals from alsa, expect new reviews soon
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Excellent, I look forward to your results mate!
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Excellent, I look forward to your results mate!
stay tunned,

ok guys since I dont have access to kandy concentrate colors, I have to make my own tinted clears, for some colors I use Nail polish color mixed with and so far they have work without any issue, a customer wanted me to paint his stainless bike exhaust, so this was the perftect test on heat durability, after 1 week this thing has held up very good.. I also painted his aluminum side molds, the color is blue tint, the clear is a 2k urethane from sherwin williams






this is how the dirt bike looks so far, the owner wanted me to paint the headlight cover with the same color as the shock absorbers

here is one of the covers(you can see some dirt on the covers)


now after I have clean the cover





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Well done mate, they look good.
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Well done mate, they look good.
thanks, I didnt think they could hold up to the heat, but the 2k from sherwin williams seems to be very durable
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Hey nicamarvin,

Wild that's great news about the clearcoat.

I am surprised that the chrome is holding out without changing colour.

Well done, a new market is opening for you, I would be interested to see how well a chrome look would withhold the heat.

I am assuming these are the angel gild products mate.

I have a supplier down here who is happy to sell me his formulation of chrome, he claims his chrome does not require any tinting in the clear to look chrome. Oh yeah!

I am keen to get started with his products as they are local when finances allow.

Thanx for your continued groundbreaking work and look forward to bouncing of you when I get started mate.

Cheers.

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Hey nicamarvin,

I am surprised that the chrome is holding out without changing colour.
and its out in the sun all day long..

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Well done, a new market is opening for you, I would be interested to see how well a chrome look would withhold the heat.
thatīs going to be my next test, Iīll test the same bikes exaust(its going to be alot shinier than polished stainless steel)

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I am assuming these are the angel gild products mate.
yes they are, at the time I couldīnt test the Alsa product, but I will be doing just that this week.

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I have a supplier down here who is happy to sell me his formulation of chrome, he claims his chrome does not require any tinting in the clear to look chrome. Oh yeah!
have them do a live demostration in front of you, somehow I dought its not going to turn yellow, the big guys like Alsa and Spectra tint their own clear(I now because I have their clear coat and thatīs how I go the correct shade of violet and mixed my own tinted clear)

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Thanx for your continued groundbreaking work and look forward to bouncing of you when I get started mate.

Cheers.
No problemo amigo

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Mate, I'm still a newbie ao forums, can you guide me to where I can learn to quote as you do please.

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well its easy, the first thing I do is copy the ([QUOT=freethinka;7769089]) then start isolating the paragraphs I intend to quote and answere just like below sample(I also copy the end quote simbol and place it at the end of the paragraphs)

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I do that for every question I intend to answere, try it out.. and no is not easy to spray on chrome
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Hello nicamarvin, my congratulations for this thread, itīs very interesting. I have read a lot in the internet about this technik amd i have found a description that i would explain you, because its all DIY, so I will try to translate it because itīs in germany

Plastic silvering

Equipment
4 100 ml beakers
3 1-liter bottles of finished solutions
Wage, spatula, test object (glass, plastic, wood, etc.)

Silver nitrate (AgNO3) 2 gr
Tin (II) chloride (SnCl2) 0.12 g
Glycine (C2H5NO2) 1 gr
Diethanolamine (HN (CH2CH2OH) 2) 6 g
Glucose (C6H12O6) 5 gr
Ascorbic acid (C6H8O6) 0.5 g
Citric acid (C6H8O7) 0.4 g
Formic acid (CH2O2) 0.4 g
Sulfuric acid (H2SO4) 0.2 ml
Hydrochloric acid (HCl) 2 ml
4 l of distilled water
Optional wetting agent PEG 100 0.2 gr

Silver solution
2 beakers with 50 ml distilled water. Water.
In the first a solution of 2.0 g silver nitrate.
In the second a solution of 6.0 g diethanolamine and 1 g of glycine.
Both solutions mix well then add 0.1 ml of sulfuric acid and again mix well and dilute to 1 liter. Keep in dark brown glass bottle!

Reduction solution
Third Beaker, a solution of 5.0 g glucose, 0.5 g ascorbic acid, 0.4 g of formic acid, 0.4 g citric acid. mix well and with least. Water to 1 liter. Optionally, a wetting agent (0.2 g PEG 100) to the solution are added.

Activator
4th Beaker 0.12 g tin (II) chloride in 2 ml of hydrochloric acid, dissolve, and dilute to 100 ml in 1L bottle of 1.0L.

Implementation
Test object for about 5 min. spend in the activator solution, then rinse well under running water.
Each part of the silver and Reduktorlösung in (clean and fine sparkling!) Type spray bottles. Now, at the same time (!) Spray with two spray bottles, the activated guinea pig. Immediately forms a high-gloss opaque silver mirror. Finally, rinse well. The whole is to succeed, according to patent with all materials, ........... on aluminum, wood, plastic All solutions are Storable, it is nothing explosive!

What you think? Itīs interesting or no?

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Hello nicamarvin, my congratulations for this thread, itīs very interesting. I have read a lot in the internet about this technik amd i have found a description that i would explain you, because its all DIY, so I will try to translate it because itīs in germany


What you think? Itīs interesting or no?

Robertsche
very very interesting indeed! at one point I did my own silvering formula following a guide very similar to this http://www.atmsite.org/contrib/Coslo/silver/

but after a few test it was obvious that the need it consistency was not going to be high enough, that consistency is only obtain with pre mixed chemicals and they are not that expencive if you ask me, this process has lots of variables and if you can reduce the amount of them you will make your life alot easier
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hi nicamarvin, thatīs right, but this process itīs not the same that you have used!!
You still use the pre mixed kits from http://angelgilding.com??
Could you explain how exactly you prepare the basecoat?
I will try my own diy chemicals and also the chemicals from http://angelgilding.com and i hope i could do a comparation?
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hi nicamarvin, thatīs right, but this process itīs not the same that you have used!!
they are all the same basically, aslong as you can obtain and reduce an aqueous diamminesilver complex either with premixed chemicals or your own you are basically producing a tollenīs reagent test http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tollens'_reagent


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You still use the pre mixed kits from http://angelgilding.com??
yes I do, I still have chemicals from them, with their 120ml kit(sensitizer and wetting agent not included) I can spray on chrome about real world 40 sq/ft(they say 120 sq/ft but its just not possible, trust me)

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Could you explain how exactly you prepare the basecoat?
how do I prepare the basecoat before the silvering? first I degrease the piece(using nothing more than dish soap and a small foam, never touch the piece with your bare hands), rinse the piece, then I use the wetting agent(I posted a video in this page) rinse the piece some more, then the sensitizer( I use the recomended 2ml of tin concentrate for every 60 ml of DI water), rinse and rinse the piece some more, let it soak for like 5 seconds and they start applying the spray on "Chrome"(silver) chemicals thru the dual chambered bottles

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I will try my own diy chemicals and also the chemicals from http://angelgilding.com and i hope i could do a comparation?
I wont discourage you from doing this test, but Iīve been there, and your own chemicals will perform as good as the premixed one at best and not even come close at worst, save your self a headache and just buy them premixed, they will not be much more expensive as your own but will yield more consistency and that will pay for itself on the short runn, heck I just tested Alsa Corps chemicals and the angel gilding ones are almost as good as them considering the huge price gap(Alsa review coming ASAP)
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well guys I finaly had the chance to write the Alsa ChromeFx review, so here it goes,

how good is their product(Alsa Corps)? I say they are of the highest quality out there, superior in quality to angel gilding chemicals, not by much on some areas and by a whole lot in others.

how user friendly are they? as for applying the silver coat and chemicals? they are even, but when it comes to having a complete package(coating, chemicals) they are superior to angel gilding because you dont have to hunt down the correct coatings like I did, not all coatings will work and the ones that worked for me may not work for you because I am in Nicaragua, but I think Sherwin Willaims product are the way to go for a DIY.

total cost/coverage: Angel Gilding chemicals takes this, you can do about 10 sq/f on the Alsa ChromeFx pump system for $299, for the same price you can do about 40 to 50 sq/f on the angel gilding kit and buy the coating, and you can practice and get the hang of it, as this take a steep learning curve.

the veredict? if you want the best of the best in the industry, and dont want to hunt down your own coatings, go for the Alsa kit, they will give you pro looks from the box, if you are on a shoestring budget like me, there is no other way around, Angel gilding is the only way, you just have to work much harder for the same look.

this is the first test using a set of plastic door visors, I wanted to do this test to show you guys how thin is the layer applied to spray on chrome(this is true for both angel gilding and alsa corps)

before


after



how thin is the silver layer? here watch it for the first time ever..(I new how thin it was way back 2 years ago, but never had the chance to upload a video)





hope you guys like it

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Ok, I tried to read along..... But I have no attention span. What would it cost to Fake Chrome one of these grilles? Since no good ones exist on earth.
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Ok, I tried to read along..... But I have no attention span. What would it cost to Fake Chrome one of these grilles? Since no good ones exist on earth.
well the DIY Spray On Chrome system outlined here is for small to medium pieces, and I am located on Nicaragua(way down south of mexico) what you need is a pro thatīs going to do this piece for you,

you may want to contact his guy
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When you see a "colored chrome" these days you are generally looking at a spray on chrome.That is a proprietary base/clear with a silver nitrate sandwiched between for the reflectivity.The color comes from candy in the clear. My shop applies one of these systems.There is a lot of misinformation out there, so if I can help drop me a line. shane@bulldogcustomchrome.com
*****Alsa Corps Spray On ChromeFx Pump kit review and videos in previous page****

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I was up most of the night reading your post. very cool stuff indeed. can you take a pic or describe the amount you tint your clear.

I intend to try this very soon and think I have a grasp on it but i am wondering how blue or purple you tint the clear for the chrome effect. i will buy some house of color candy concentrate I know its trial and error but would like a reference point
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I was up most of the night reading your post. very cool stuff indeed. can you take a pic or describe the amount you tint your clear.

I intend to try this very soon and think I have a grasp on it but i am wondering how blue or purple you tint the clear for the chrome effect. i will buy some house of color candy concentrate I know its trial and error but would like a reference point
I will show you the source where I go the correct tint, Alsa Corps own tinted clear
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let me ask you would you recommend using alsa's sensitozer, angelgilding silver, and alsa's clear??

obviously i havent even started it yet but I am a decent painter and feel i can adapt pretty quickly. I realize the fist order will be my initial learning curve but as you say prep is everything.

i was hoping i could figure the tint out using the clear i have without ordering someone elses lol. I hate to spend crazy money to get started and realizr its way out of my league
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let me ask you would you recommend using alsa's sensitozer, angelgilding silver, and alsa's clear??
well thats a good idea, infact they will sell you individual chemicals and coatings...
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Hello to Nicamarvin.
Thank you for your excellent research on the topic DIY Spray On Chrome!

Have a tip on how to get a good Chrome effect in the clear ....

You need two add in 12 to 15 drops of blue colored candy concentrate and 4-6 drops of red colored candy concentrate per 1 liter of mixed clear coat.

Hope this can be of some help to you.

This tip I got from a man in England who sell Spray On Chrome kits.

I actually think the movie that you've posted on page 2 shows the product he is selling ...

I ordered a kit from him (before I discovered your groundbreaking research!)
It seems that the chemical he sells in fact are ordered from angelgilding...

I have a question regarding the Dual Chamber Spray ...... when you bought it, how did you do it with shipping cost? ..... Did you have to send them a custom freight quote?


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Hello to Nicamarvin.
Thank you for your excellent research on the topic DIY Spray On Chrome!

Have a tip on how to get a good Chrome effect in the clear ....

You need two add in 12 to 15 drops of blue colored candy concentrate and 4-6 drops of red colored candy concentrate per 1 liter of mixed clear coat.

Hope this can be of some help to you.
Thanks Iīll try that for sure..


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I have a question regarding the Dual Chamber Spray ...... when you bought it, how did you do it with shipping cost? ..... Did you have to send them a custom freight quote?


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since I bought all of my product in the USA. I had them mail it to a shipping company located on Florida, then they send the stuff to Nicaragua, I pay $150 total for everything
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I did a Review on How good it looks the new Alsa Stretch Chrome Film..

you may want to check this page out
http://jalopyjournal.com/forum/showt...73#post7779473
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w.t.f, a sales ploy, nicely presented. ~sololobo~
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w.t.f, a sales ploy, nicely presented. ~sololobo~
What? I dont sale anything, Iīm from Nicaragua, all that I have done I have done it with hard work and lots of tears my friend, please refrain from saying this again..
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Ok guys another customer and another How to!!

I dont know what this pieces are for but I am glad I have something to work with..

this is how they started..





I use Krylon Fusion paint, this is my glue to plastic parts, I dont need to do any other prep for the paint to stick to it and only a few dust coats are need it, you can apply one coat if you are worried about it, but I have don lots of practise with my spoons and no paint has come off as of yet..

after dust coats of Krylon Fusion


a video of it




after 10 minutes I apply my black base coat


video of it


then I do my clear coat(remember all is in the prep, you want a mirror? then at this step you need to make a mirror out of the thing, if you dont have the shine, no amount of silver will bring that shine again)





this video shows how the piece looked after it was done, sorry I didnt hava a buddy to film my painting skills!



tomorrow night Iīll post the finished product(leting the piece cure)

hope you guys like it..
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very nice i have to learn this process
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I keep reading about the learning curve being pretty steep what can a guy expect on his first few attempts?

how many spoons do you ruin before getting the first one right? amd whats the next size object after you get the spoons right?
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I keep reading about the learning curve being pretty steep what can a guy expect on his first few attempts?
nothing but headaches ... thatīs why I am writing this How To, so you dont have to go the same rout I took, learned the Hard Way because there was nobody doing this and doing how toīs

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how many spoons do you ruin before getting the first one right? amd whats the next size object after you get the spoons right?
I dont know 200 maybe more! I went from good spoons to the a bike headlight cover..



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tomorrow night Iīll post the finished product(leting the piece cure)
ok here I am, with updates...

Ok Iīll start with a just a few updates on my chemicals,

I ordered another 120ml kit from Angel Gilding and afew other stuff that I deemed need it.

here is the kit


what else? well I fet I need it another silver reducer, because the first one went bad on me.(the 500ml bottle is very cheap)


I also ordered more wetting agents(cheap cheap)


I also ordered more Tin For Silver because the one I had went bad on me(seems it does not like hot weather, this one is not so cheap, 30$ per bottle I think)


updates on the plastic pieces tomorrow guys, I just ran out of time tonight
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very cool i guess i am gonna break down and start trying it need to wait for a paycheck then I am gonna order some stuff and give it a try. keep posting
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Ok guys another customer and another How to!!

I dont know what this pieces are for but I am glad I have something to work with..

this is how they started..





I use Krylon Fusion paint, this is my glue to plastic parts, I dont need to do any other prep for the paint to stick to it and only a few dust coats are need it, you can apply one coat if you are worried about it, but I have don lots of practise with my spoons and no paint has come off as of yet..

after dust coats of Krylon Fusion


a video of it




after 10 minutes I apply my black base coat


video of it


then I do my clear coat(remember all is in the prep, you want a mirror? then at this step you need to make a mirror out of the thing, if you dont have the shine, no amount of silver will bring that shine again)





this video shows how the piece looked after it was done, sorry I didnt hava a buddy to film my painting skills!



tomorrow night Iīll post the finished product(leting the piece cure)

hope you guys like it..
ok following on this rout...


Spray On Chrome has three stages, each step as important as the rest of them, none of them are easy and if you mess in one you will not achieve your mirror like coating!

stage one is the Prep work on the piece that is about to be spray on chromed(which we already covered here)

stage two is the chemical aspect of it, the cleaning of the piece before, sensitizing of the piece and then the silvering. in this page we will cover that with videos

ok first you need degrease the piece, you can do this by spraying a degreaser or by hand with a soft cloth or something that will not scratch the piece

in this video I degrease the piece with a soft sponge because it was touched with dirty hands(hands and finger prints have oils and this will show up later if not cleaned enough) so I had to do it manualy


after degreasing comes the wetting agent(not need it in spectra chrome or alsa chrome because their sensitizers already have powerful wetting agents, while the angel gilding tin for silver has weak ones, this gave me tears and headaches in the past, no nomore)

this is how the piece will behave without the wetting agent(and the chemicals will not flow as well)




after wetting agent




after you have rinse the wetting agent with Di watter let it dripp for about 5 to 7 seconds(to get excess whater off, but if you wait too long the piece may dry and that not good)

then you apply the Tin For silver(sensitizer)

mixing the sensitizer with di water(3 ml per 100 ml of Di water)




applying the sensitizer(wait for 20 seconds after the sensitizer has been apply on the entire piece, then rinse)




then you start you silvering(sorry for the short videos, I was all alone this time) ...(the mixing of chemicals is always before you start the cleaning/degreasing process)

I still have some left(good enough for about another 4 pieces this large)


mixing the silver chemicals with di water, mix 4 ml of silver concentrate and 4 ml of silver activator on the left side of the bottle with 200 ml of water(pour the water first, then the chemicals, this is a must) add 4 ml of silver reducer on right side of bottle(again after 200ml of Di water first)







this is how a correct silvering should look(the mixing of chemicals is always before you start the cleaning/degreasing process)



next page is the third and last step!!
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the last step is the top coating, is one on the most important parts of this lengthy process..

this is how the piece looks after the silver layer, and after drying it with a hair dryer

Drying with Hair Dryer(sorry I forgot to make a video of it so I am just placing this as a sampler)


the dryed pieces




now after one of the pieces has been clear coat it with a normal clear coat(none tinted one, I did it just to show you how it turns the piece to a yellowish tone, you can top coat it directly with a violet tinted coat)

the one on the left is not clear coat it, the one on the right has the none tinted clear




now both cleared coat it with a none tinted clear coat



now one of the piece(the one on the right) was clear coated with a violet tinted clear to mask the yellow effect


now one of the finished piece compared to a triple chrome piece(small piece)


I hope you guys like it and learn from it

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this was one of those excellant threads where you learn something as you follow it , good job on showing spray on chrome and the process to make it work ,
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Wow!

Nicamarvin you my friend are a legend.

I applaud you with all that you have achieved and shared with all of us.

Thank you.

This is awesome stuff mate, you really have given us all a great understanding of how to do this effectively.

Mate the final result on those last pieces you have done look bloody awesome. Well done.
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very cool i guess i am gonna break down and start trying it need to wait for a paycheck then I am gonna order some stuff and give it a try. keep posting
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I'm with you mate, can't wait to get started.
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this is the first test using a set of plastic door visors, I wanted to do this test to show you
guys how thin is the layer applied to spray on chrome(this is true for both angel gilding and alsa corps)

before


after



how thin is the silver layer? here watch it for the first time ever..(I new how thin it was way back 2 years ago, but never had the chance to upload a video)





hope you guys like it


Mate, the result on these visors are awesome, to have a reflective chrome look on the outside with a see through look from the inside! that is real interesting isn't it!

That continues to give me new ideas, wild!

Keep up the good work man, they look great.
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Keep up the good work man, they look great.
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This sounds very interesting. Have you tried this process on metal objects. If so, what kind if results did you have?
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This sounds very interesting. Have you tried this process on metal objects. If so, what kind if results did you have?
this process can work on any surface(Metal,Wood,Plastic,) but you need to prep the piece just as you would any object about to be painted, meaning you cant spray on chrome directly to metal..

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Can't wait to see how it works
you are waiting on what?


hey guys this is Alsaīs ChromeFx Top coat, let me tell you that as soon as I have enough money I will be geting a galon of this clear, it will only add about 20% of the total cost, but the way it turns the piece into a true chrome look its amazing... not even my best efforts are as good, the can come close but not as much.. so my future system will be a hybrid of alsaīs coating and Angel Gilding inexpensive silvering chemicals...



this is the video showing the difference between the tinted clear(violet tinted on the left and a none tinted clear on the right)


and a bunch of spray on chrome spoons(and a chrome painted spoon for comparison)

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GReat Stuff... so let me see if I have this right for chrome-coloring plastic

Krylon Fusion any color thats shiny like silver? (for primer)
then the glossy black base coat
then the 2k clear coat (sherwin wiliamns 2k urethene clear)

let cure for normal period???

then clean,
spray with distilled water
wetting agent
then more distilled water spray
then tin
then more distilled water spray
then sliver dual pump spray
then more distilled water spray
then hair dryer

then apply tinted 2k clear coat or the pre-mixed stuff from alsa's

did I get it right?
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GReat Stuff... so let me see if I have this right for chrome-coloring plastic

Krylon Fusion any color thats shiny like silver? (for primer)
then the glossy black base coat
then the 2k clear coat (sherwin wiliamns 2k urethene clear)

let cure for normal period???

then clean,
spray with distilled water
wetting agent
then more distilled water spray
then tin
then more distilled water spray
then sliver dual pump spray
then more distilled water spray
then hair dryer

then apply tinted 2k clear coat or the pre-mixed stuff from alsa's

did I get it right?
almost.... the krylon fusion can be of any color, I use white or black, the comes the basecoat(mate white or blak or grey it does not matter) then 2k automotive clear coat(I use sherwin williams because I am used to it already) let it cure for 24 hours.....


in the rinsing stages(just before the silvering) you can use tap water, only your very last rinsing before the silvering you have to use Di water because if there are traces of ion on the water(tap water have lots of them chloride is on of them) it will turn your silver nitrate into silver chloride and you just dont want that....I do it that way to save money on Di water but you guys only pay 1 dollar per gallon and I pay about 2.50
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got an email from Angel Gilding... said they discontinued the sale of their dual spray bottles because "...the silver builds up inside of the spray chamber and blocks it after onl a few uses"...

have you had any problems like that or is that just expected?

I guess they are cheap enough even if that were the case...

I'm planning on casting my part that I'm making for the Mustang and applying the silver (chrome) to it... any plastics I should avoid that you know of?

Ordered some Smooth-on Onyx (slow) for durability and thin wall ability.

I can't wait to see this stuff work first hand...
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got an email from Angel Gilding... said they discontinued the sale of their dual spray bottles because "...the silver builds up inside of the spray chamber and blocks it after onl a few uses"...
I havent had this issue as of yet, but I clean all of my equipment all the time with water, and after a while I use hydrochloric acid and pump it to remove any silver left.. so far nothing bad has happened



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I guess they are cheap enough even if that were the case...
true, you could also buy their drip silver kit, but I have not tested it myself..

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I'm planning on casting my part that I'm making for the Mustang and applying the silver (chrome) to it... any plastics I should avoid that you know of?
all plastics have work just fine with me as of yet, but remember that how you prep the part is the key here..

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Ordered some Smooth-on Onyx (slow) for durability and thin wall ability.
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whatīs Smooth on onyx?
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Check 'em out... I'm gonna try to just "sliver-chrome" the piece as it comes out of mold, then polished, then primed like you suggested to see the difference... If I can get a good chrome finish right out of the mold... yeee hawww!!!

http://www.smooth-on.com/Urethane-Pl...325/index.html
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here is what I'm making and will hopefully get a rapid prototype of

66 Mustang 6-gauge "Pony" Bezel... carved out of existing Pony bezel... set up for 6 gauges... nobody has one that looks like it belongs in the car... only need outer edges and rim chromed... rest is black paint or wood grain... we shall see what transpires..

still a bit rough but i'm taking my time and the lines should be near perfect when I'm finished... hopefully....
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Check 'em out... I'm gonna try to just "sliver-chrome" the piece as it comes out of mold, then polished, then primed like you suggested to see the difference... If I can get a good chrome finish right out of the mold... yeee hawww!!!

http://www.smooth-on.com/Urethane-Pl...325/index.html
its possible that if the piece comes out shiny you are good to go right from the mold, I have done it before, but the coated piece have shinier look to it, the only drawback is that with the coating you will see faint orange peel(even if you dont see it on my videos, they all do have some minor orange peel) silvering directly over the shiny plastic takes care of this..

oh I thought another reason my hand triggers arenīt getting pluged is because I dilute the chemicals more, to spray on chrome you will have to use 2ml of concentrate(2ml of silver concentrate, silver activator and reducer) per 100ml of Di water, how do I know what works best? Iīve been playing around with their chemicals sinse way back 2009, what was messing my outcomes and giving me lots of heartaches was the lack of wetting agent, not untill now that I was able to silver without any issues... the wetting agent is "the" key here, unless you use alsaīs Fx or other spray on chrome chemicals, they already come with a wetting agent, wich angel gilding lacks(because they are made to silver glass not a coated surface)
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its possible that if the piece comes out shiny you are good to go right from the mold, I have done it before, but the coated piece have shinier look to it, the only drawback is that with the coating you will see faint orange peel(even if you dont see it on my videos, they all do have some minor orange peel) silvering directly over the shiny plastic takes care of this..
I will give it a try, the mold and resin just arrived yesterday... I'll see how shiny it is then I'll do another and buff it as well.

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oh I thought another reason my hand triggers arenīt getting pluged is because I dilute the chemicals more, to spray on chrome you will have to use 2ml of concentrate(2ml of silver concentrate, silver activator and reducer) per 100ml of Di water, how do I know what works best? Iīve been playing around with their chemicals sinse way back 2009, what was messing my outcomes and giving me lots of heartaches was the lack of wetting agent, not untill now that I was able to silver without any issues... the wetting agent is "the" key here, unless you use alsaīs Fx or other spray on chrome chemicals, they already come with a wetting agent, wich angel gilding lacks(because they are made to silver glass not a coated surface)
when my silvering stuff arrives, i will just follow your measurments rather than messing with theirs... no time to reinvent the wheel so to speak...
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when my silvering stuff arrives, i will just follow your measurments rather than messing with theirs... no time to reinvent the wheel so to speak...
well here check this link, goes back to 2009 at the time I was experimenting with different coatings(lacquer, wood polyurethanes, oil enamels..) at the time I bought the 500ml kit, and I wasted ALL of the chemicals, half of that was using their measurements, then I started to dilute them and gave me better results but I was still getting poor results due to bad coating choice(need it to do it, thats how I found out how good the automotive coatings can be) at the time they did not offered any wetting agent and I thought their sensitizer could come already mixed with some form of wetting agent.. but I was wrong and I wasted the entire 500ml kit... but I didnt gave up, I just dont know how to....

here is the old link
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well guys Alsa Chrome Fx pump system just went up to $399 ouch..! thats $100 more than I paid on january...
http://www.alsacorp.com/products/chromefx/

I am back to spoons.. but only to show how good they look to my future customers...





my own tinted chrome cleared spoon vs real chrome
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looks good... been busy with taxes this week.... esh..... should be done tonight... then back on the chrome thing....
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I have been off work since febuary just doing odd jobs to make the bills but I am still working on coming up with the extra funds to get started.

If I got this right my color sanding and buffing skills are pretty good

with the wetting agent and the super slick highly buffed painted surface tinted clear topcoat the angel guilding supplies diluted I should get good results?

obviously after wasting a lot of product to perfect the silvering?

i have been obsessing over getting started to the point that with money being so tight right now I have to really limit my mistakes to a minimum

I do a few custom paint jobs (Motorcycles) here and there i think if I can get this down pretty quick it can help me generate the extra cash and services I need to

make painting and chroming my lifes work.

where I live there are guys custom painting motorcycles on every corner but no one has even heard of this system or if they have they dont understand it

the guys that do understand it look at the spectra chrome dvd and see 8000.00 for the machine or 1500.00-2000.00 in equipment and the training so they dont persue it any further

or do you think order the alsa setup 1st and then experiment with the angel guilding supplies?

Which process would you recommend starting out

but the angelguilding supplies with wetting agent my own double sprayer or

399 for alsa's set up then supplies from them or
Alsa set up and angelguilding supplies

my fear is spending 399 waste all the product learning then buying more supplies at a higher price before i make my 1st dollar if that makes sense
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I have been off work since febuary just doing odd jobs to make the bills but I am still working on coming up with the extra funds to get started.
where are you located? in the USA? cause you only need like $200 to get started.. thats alot of money here in Nicaragua

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with the wetting agent and the super slick highly buffed painted surface tinted clear topcoat the angel guilding supplies diluted I should get good results?.
you dont need to buff the glossy basecoat or the clear coat at all if you do it right, 2 coats, one light coat, after 5 minute one wet coat.

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obviously after wasting a lot of product to perfect the silvering?.
you dont need to waste or go thru the same issues I did if you just read this thread, my tears will not be your tears if you read this thread

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i have been obsessing over getting started to the point that with money being so tight right now I have to really limit my mistakes to a minimum .
yeah I know, I still make some mistakes but I try not to, but they will happen from time to time, this is the nature of the beast, this process has 3 stages(prep/basecoat, chemicals/silvering, protective coating/tinted clear) if any of these stages goes bad, you need to start over again(unless is the basecoat, in that case just sand and recoat), I have cases where I ruin the entire piece on the last stage(clear) and its heart breaking, but I learn from it..

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I do a few custom paint jobs (Motorcycles) here and there i think if I can get this down pretty quick it can help me generate the extra cash and services I need to.
if you are going to do this as a business as I do, dont sell it as spray on chrome, people tend to believe is real chrome been spray over it(as if was that easy), what I tell them now is, its a special chrome paint that comes from the U.S.A there is nothing like it here in Nicaragua, but its paint and as such is subject to the same durability standards as automotive grade 2k paints are. they get the point, so far so good

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make painting and chroming my lifes work.
thatīs what I want also, its kinda of slow at this moment, but I am going to hold to it till the end of the year, I hope that by that time I will be doing 3 to 4 medium pieces a week

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where I live there are guys custom painting motorcycles on every corner but no one has even heard of this system or if they have they dont understand it
same here, but so far I am the Only Nicaraguan doing this, and they dont get it also,

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the guys that do understand it look at the spectra chrome dvd and see 8000.00 for the machine or 1500.00-2000.00 in equipment and the training so they dont persue it any further
but now anybody could build a pro system for about 2k with chemicals and all, the kit I show here is for little guy that can do small to medium pieces as a hobby or make some cash, or to start small and grow as you go like I did

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or do you think order the alsa setup 1st and then experiment with the angel guilding supplies?
people on a tight budget like us have only one road and thatīs the Angel Gilding road, their least expencive chemicals will give you enough to practice


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my fear is spending 399 waste all the product learning then buying more supplies at a higher price before i make my 1st dollar if that makes sense
dont waste your money just yet at this stage, maybe when your business start to grow
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can Spray On Chrome take high temps?....

we will see about that...
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excellent thread , im interested to see if it will withstand high temperature s , being applied like a paint im having doubts but cant wait to see your results
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excellent thread , im interested to see if it will withstand high temperature s , being applied like a paint im having doubts but cant wait to see your results
I also have doubts, but I wont be shure untill I try it, what I did to encrease my odds is, I used a high temp heat tolerance paint(1000 degrees) let it cure while driving the bike for 2 days, and just know applied the glossy basecoat to see if it can withstand the heat better this way, "IF" it holds(after 1 day on the bike) I can proceed with the silvering of the piece and final clear, I think my chances go up if the glossy base can hold.. weīll see
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yeah I am in the USA i am gonna order the chemicals tomorrow and spend the next few days rereading this hopefully i will have my first piece of chrome by this weekend.

200.00 bucks is allot of money no matter where you live lol

man i really appreciate your help
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well guys my first atempt at High Heat Spray On Chrome just failed..!





two thing to keep in mind, first it was a rattle can high heat temp basecoat, second, the heat tems where much higher due to the stainless steel exhaust instead of just steel... but am not giving up just yet, I try it again soon with a better coating...

oh and I am doing this grill for a forth gen Nissan Patrol( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_...2.80.931997.29 )







this is my second largest piece so far, I have a plan set up, Iīll silver this piece with a silvering trigger on each and so I can cover such a large piece...

Iīll keep you posted..
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thanks, buddy, Iīve been meaning to show you this..

remember how this is a 3 stage process? and how if you miss in any of them you could ruin the piece? well in my how to I omitted this piece beacuse after clearing it, it went bad on me, so I had to write the How to without it(you can only see one piece done) I had to redo this piece from 0 again.. but at the end the client was happy with the end result(made him wait another 3 days)

here I show you how I messed on the last stage.... this could happen to all of us, so we need to be extra careful...

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doing a rush all nighter paint job similar thing happened to me was out of clear used a rattle can clear to get the bike to a rally worked all night on the bodywork and paint waited til the local store opened sprayed the clear and needless to say the bike didnt go to the rally guy was really upset.

was hoping to order supplies monday but it didnt happen waiting til thurday to order them been rereading this post and going through youtube videos
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Spray Silver Chemicals, Concentrate, 120 ml
Tin for Silver, Concentrate, 250 mL
Wetting Agent, 60 mL
Measuring Cylinder, 1000 mL
Measuring Cylinder, 25 mL

gonna place my order today do I need any other chemicals such as silver cleaner or any additional chemicals appreciate your help
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Spray Silver Chemicals, Concentrate, 120 ml
Tin for Silver, Concentrate, 250 mL
Wetting Agent, 60 mL
Measuring Cylinder, 1000 mL
Measuring Cylinder, 25 mL

gonna place my order today do I need any other chemicals such as silver cleaner or any additional chemicals appreciate your help
just to be on the safe side buy another silver reducer concentrate(just $10) for the 500ml bottle(the 120ml that came with the kit went bad on me in the 3rd week, you dont want this to hold you back)
http://angelgilding.com/A2036.html

and as for the wetting agent, 60ml aint gonna cut it... get the 250ml one it lasted me as long as my 120ml kit lasted(rubbed instead of spraying it)
http://angelgilding.com/A2141.html
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well the piece came out ok, not my best, this large pieces take alot out of me, pumping those little sprayers is tough..







and here she is waiting for her owner, next to triple chrome pieces..


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Old 06-13-2012, 07:05 PM   #194
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I am uploading some videos, one of them is to show you how I sprayed this large piece with two hands at the same time.. but here is a pic I took from the video..

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Old 06-13-2012, 07:08 PM   #195
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Old 06-13-2012, 07:14 PM   #196
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Awesome
Thanks, one thing to keep in mind, Spray On Chrome can be one shade darker than real chrome and the chrome found on those plastic grills is about one shade lighter than real chrome(they use alluminum), so.. you must tell this to the owner before
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Old 06-13-2012, 07:21 PM   #197
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Great work man I can olny imagine your forearms are gonna look like popeye lol i

ordered it all this morning i knew i should've ordered the bigger bottle of wetting agent. not sure how long it will take to get here the company is in the next state over from me.

cant wait to get started.
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Old 06-13-2012, 07:33 PM   #198
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Great work man I can olny imagine your forearms are gonna look like popeye lol
it was burning man..

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ordered it all this morning i knew i should've ordered the bigger bottle of wetting agent.
its ok you will have enough to practice

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not sure how long it will take to get here the company is in the next state over from me.

cant wait to get started.
I waited like 45 days for my kit...
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Old 06-13-2012, 07:46 PM   #199
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i am hoping to spray my 1st spoon tuesday. I got a pretty special girlfriend She went a put 200.00 in my bank account this morning and said order it. I ordered the dual chamber bottle from ebay that will be my only hold up the chems should get here by monday
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Old 06-13-2012, 07:52 PM   #200
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i am hoping to spray my 1st spoon tuesday. I got a pretty special girlfriend She went a put 200.00 in my bank account this morning and said order it. I ordered the dual chamber bottle from ebay that will be my only hold up the chems should get here by monday
Awesome... I wish I had one like yours...

hey did you just ordered one? I ordered 3 just incase
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Old 06-13-2012, 08:16 PM   #201
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Awesome... I wish I had one like yours...

hey did you just ordered one? I ordered 3 just incase
well... I really like the Angel Gilding Pressure sprayer but it's really expensive

how often do you have to replace spayers or have you gotten a bad one?
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Old 06-13-2012, 08:34 PM   #202
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well... I really like the Angel Gilding Pressure sprayer but it's really expensive

how often do you have to replace spayers or have you gotten a bad one?
I got a bad one(did not spray evenly) so now I have two, but I can use the bad one for the sensitizer..
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Old 06-13-2012, 09:36 PM   #203
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this is a short video of the piece


this is me doing the pumping


years ago I made a dual headed spray gun, its very rough on the edges, but I think I need to make this baby work for larger pieces...
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the dual spray gun is pretty cool why did you stop using it? it looks pretty straight forward.
I have read that the air compressor is not your friend with spray chrome I am assuming because the air gets contaminated with oils and moisture
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the dual spray gun is pretty cool why did you stop using it? it looks pretty straight forward.
I have read that the air compressor is not your friend with spray chrome I am assuming because the air gets contaminated with oils and moisture
thatīs abou