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Old 12-28-2011, 10:38 PM   #1
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Default Turn signals inside headlights, is that street rod?

I want to put amber bulbs inside my headlights, not the LED stuff, just the amber bulb showing in the bottom portion of the reflector behind the lens.
These are original stainless 10" ford lights.

I would put them on top of the housing if that's what all the cool kids are doing, but would rather have them inside.

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Old 12-28-2011, 10:44 PM   #2
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Put them inside like ya wish too,all them so called cool guy got there butts over there head.
I'd put'm inside if I had away.
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Old 12-28-2011, 10:48 PM   #3
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go your way forget being cool set the pace.
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Old 12-28-2011, 10:51 PM   #4
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Default Re: Turn signals inside headlights, is that street rod.

In my mind, the difference between street rod stuff and hot rod stuff is now much metal that needs to be removed from your hands while you fabricate or modify to make something you see looking neat. Build it with what's at hand and have fun with a chop saw or a lathe.
I know that procedure is a whole lot more fun than looking in a paper catalog or onine to find EASY stuff.
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Old 12-28-2011, 10:55 PM   #5
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Default Re: Turn signals inside headlights, is that street rod.

I don't really care...I bought a pair of speedway 34 commercial lights for my 5 window and I also bought a kit to put turn signal bulbs in the reflectors.
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Old 12-28-2011, 10:57 PM   #6
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Default Re: Turn signals inside headlights, is that street rod.

I did it on the Nash. Costs all of less than $10 for all the parts. I could not come up with a cool look if they were external. I think they came out great!
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Old 12-28-2011, 11:24 PM   #7
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Default Re: Turn signals inside headlights, is that street rod.

Just curious, how well can you see them at night when the headlights are on?

although they gotta be easier to see than hand signals
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Old 12-28-2011, 11:26 PM   #8
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Do it it's no biggie much better in the the lights then some ugly ones hanging out somewhere.

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Old 12-28-2011, 11:29 PM   #9
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Default Re: Turn signals inside headlights, is that street rod.

who cares if it is or not, doesnt take away from the look and is safer than not having any.
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Old 12-28-2011, 11:29 PM   #10
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Im with squirrel, can you see them good at night?

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Old 12-29-2011, 08:42 AM   #11
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Default Re: Turn signals inside headlights, is that street rod.

Its traditionally german. Volkswagon bug and porsche had marker lights inside the headlight assembly.
Note the bulb housing at the bottem of the assembly.
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Old 12-29-2011, 08:56 AM   #12
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Default Re: Turn signals inside headlights, is that street rod.

I prefer the marker light only near the headlight.
I feel the turn buld signal gets "washed out" when the hi-beams or low beams with fog lights are on.

I install a pair of LED lights behind the grille at opposite corners, at the top.
When the headlights are on, there is still enough distance between the two it allows for oncoming traffic to clearly see my turn signal, (if they open thier eyes to look).
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Old 12-29-2011, 09:01 AM   #13
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Its traditionally german. Volkswagon bug and porsche had marker lights inside the headlight assembly.
Note the bulb housing at the bottem of the assembly.
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And the turn signals were semaphores that stuck out the side of the car behind the door...right?
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Old 12-29-2011, 09:06 AM   #14
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Default Re: Turn signals inside headlights, is that street rod.

it may be practical and eliminate the extra light but I just don't like the look of it when you look at the headlights while looking at the car. And yes it looks a bit too street roddy to me. I had motorcycle turn signals on my T that cost about five bucks for the pair and even though they were right out in the open they didn't stand out except when they were on.
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Old 12-29-2011, 09:07 AM   #15
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Default Re: Turn signals inside headlights, is that street rod.

[QUOTE=Fordtudor37;7286198]I feel the turn buld signal gets "washed out" when the hi-beams or low beams with fog lights are on.

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Why the hell would it matter? Why would you have your HIGH beams on with oncomming traffic anyway, DUH!?
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Old 12-29-2011, 09:11 AM   #16
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I had to look it up
sem·a·phore

 /ˈsɛməˌfɔr, -ˌfoʊr/ Show Spelled [sem-uh-fawr, -fohr] Show IPA noun, verb, -phored, -phor·ing.
noun 1. an apparatus for conveying information by means of visual signals, as a light whose position may be changed.

2. any of various devices for signaling by changing the position of a light, flag, etc.

3. a system of signaling, especially a system by which a special flag is held in each hand and various positions of the arms indicate specific letters, numbers, etc.

















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Old 12-29-2011, 09:14 AM   #17
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Default Re: Turn signals inside headlights, is that street rod.

I put the signals inside the stock headlite buckets on my model A sedan with halogen kits from Speedway. They aren't noticeably visible when looking at the car but they work well and that's what's important to me.

I added small accessory type turn signals behind the grille shell on my A roadster. It's not on the road yet, so I can't say how effective they'll be, but I think they'll be plenty visible without sticking out like a sore thumb.
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Old 12-29-2011, 09:19 AM   #18
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Default Re: Turn signals inside headlights, is that street rod.

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I had to look it up
google images is a good place to look up what I'm talking about

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Old 12-29-2011, 09:27 AM   #19
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I have them in my Model A headlights. I think it was an option when I got new reflectors from CW Moss.
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Old 12-29-2011, 09:36 AM   #20
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Default Re: Turn signals inside headlights, is that street rod.

I had the same conflicted thoughts on my car, a '32 with '34 commercial lamps and turnsignals inside.

I did a couple small modifications that improve the look : first of all 1157 bulbs come in either yellow or a dark amber. Get the dark amber as they emit a great warm glow when used as parking lamps that have the look of an old 6V headlamp. Really a cool look .

Secondly, dust a light coat of silver spray paint on the bulbs to make them less noticable in daylight , light output reduction is very minor.

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Old 12-29-2011, 09:38 AM   #21
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Its traditionally german. Volkswagon bug and porsche had marker lights inside the headlight assembly.
Note the bulb housing at the bottem of the assembly.
MrC.
The amber bulb in a sealed beam headlight has never been in German bugs
or Porsches. It was a short-term compromise, for the
export cars. US and German legal differences.
The "Nipple-Indicators", the seperate lights next to the headlight
were the better solution til the regular new indicators
atop the wing came.
The visibility was weak, indeed

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Old 12-29-2011, 09:48 AM   #22
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Default Re: Turn signals inside headlights, is that street rod.

They look a lot better in the headlight than those cheesy motorcycle turn lights some folks stick on. My dad called those semaphore turn indicators "mach nichts sticks"
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Old 12-29-2011, 10:23 AM   #23
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I run amber park light bulbs inside the buckets on my '35 Ford, and they are also wired as turn signals. They are not as visible (as signals) as something on a new car, especially at night when the headlights are also in use, but I think it's a nice compromise that provides at least some additional safety without disturbing the overall look of the car.
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Old 12-29-2011, 10:29 AM   #24
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And the turn signals were semaphores that stuck out the side of the car behind the door...right?
Semaphores went out in the 50s. Maybe late 40s.
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Old 12-29-2011, 10:35 AM   #25
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it may be practical and eliminate the extra light but I just don't like the look of it when you look at the headlights while looking at the car. And yes it looks a bit too street roddy to me. I had motorcycle turn signals on my T that cost about five bucks for the pair and even though they were right out in the open they didn't stand out except when they were on.
I would have to agree and add that I like the 'visual busy-ness' of an early Ford front end where everything is exposed. The 'smooth' look has no appeal for me although I must admit it was considered for a while re: headlight bucket inserts.
I found a pair of Wilcoq-Bottin cowl lights (Belgium) on a certain auction website for cheap and put in Model A cowl light lenses and they are now my turn signals. very visible in all conditions....

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Old 12-29-2011, 10:37 AM   #26
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It's a clean simple solution and IMHO dont look "Street Rod" to me.
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Old 12-29-2011, 10:42 AM   #27
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Kind of, streetrods have modern features, everything else is about the powertrain.
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Old 12-29-2011, 10:44 AM   #28
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34 Commercials w/ amber turn signals inside here.
The traditional police can spot the amber bulb when parked. There are LED bulbs that can be substituted that are clear when not in use but amber when powered up. Can't tell they are even there when parked.
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Old 12-29-2011, 10:46 AM   #29
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Default Re: Turn signals inside headlights, is that street rod.

If you are talking about the original reflectors that Ford had,(duolamp) then go for it. If you are talking about a streetrod headlight with the turn signals in the chrome retaining ring then no I don't like them at all. I don't care for the add on kit to use in stock Ford headlights either.

What? Have they been on the market over 15 years? Is that traditional. It sure isn't for me. I'm dedicated to "spreading the gospel" They are not in my religious literature.

There are too many old possibilities than to buy 1 800 parts made in China just because they are easy. Easy isn't always better. When I see them on a hotrod I personally think the builder is lazy and not very creative.

I don't worry too much about the front turn signals. I don't pull out in front of cars until I'm sure of what the approaching car is doing. Now the rears are a different story.

I know, I'm an opinionated old fart. Deal with it!
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My dad called those semaphore turn indicators "mach nichts sticks"
That's a good one from your dad!haha..
It is even worse, because instead of "mach nichts" - doing nothing -
they were often doing little, namely popping out half and faintly glowing,
which is the ultimate disgrace at every corner..
Today, restored and on 12V they work.
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I run mine inside as well, the are very bright even with the high beam on.
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Put them inside like ya wish too,all them so called cool guy got there butts over there head.
I'd put'm inside if I had away.

That is appropriately called an "Ass Hat" and I resemble that remark.

The only real way to be cool is to be yourself and not worry if anyone likes it or not. Its like James Dean, he wasn't trying to be cool he was just being James Dean. One of the coolest guys that I ever knew was a total freakin' Dork, all the time. He didn't give a flip if anyone thought he was cool or not.

As for Amber lights behind the glass in a stock light I think they have been doing that for a long time, I don't know when they started doing it so I can't give you an era. Cool or not is a mute point, if that is what you want to do then do it and let the chips fall where they may.
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I must really be old school, I stick my hand out the window for turns.

Guess at night I should wear reflective gloves but that's not traditional ?
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I must really be old school, I stick my hand out the window for turns.

Guess at night I should wear reflective gloves but that's not traditional ?
I have stick my hand out turn signals and brake lights right now. Buty I do intend to get the brake lights working.

There is a problem with hand signals, people don't know that they are any more. They're are not even mentioned in Missouri drivers manual, not on the test and they don't teach it in drivers ed. They are still legal from what I understand.
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I have them in the headlamps of my '35, rather than separate hang-on lamps. Plus the rules here require them (Mandatory) if you want registration. Likewise I made the bottom half of may tail lamp lenses amber for the same reason, again no hang-on lamps.
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... There is a problem with hand signals, people don't know that they are any more. They're are not even mentioned in Missouri drivers manual, not on the test and they don't teach it in drivers ed...
Exactly right. I remember when folks routinely used hand signals but that was back when we all knew what they meant. Now you don't know if the driver is signaling, flicking a cigarette, scrathing their pits or waving to a friend. Gary
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I have them inside on the 30, and they are super bright with zinc inserts. Here they are with the park lights on at dusk, and them turned off in the day time.
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I have my parking /turn signals in side my commercial headlamps on my 29 Pk Up. Works well.
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Same here, I like em in my headlight buckets on my A Sedan.
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Exactly right. I remember when folks routinely used hand signals but that was back when we all knew what they meant. Now you don't know if the driver is signaling, flicking a cigarette, scrathing their pits or waving to a friend. Gary
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Its traditionally german. Volkswagon bug and porsche had marker lights inside the headlight assembly.
Note the bulb housing at the bottem of the assembly.
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But those were the parking lamps, not the turn signals IIRC

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Exactly right. I remember when folks routinely used hand signals but that was back when we all knew what they meant. Now you don't know if the driver is signaling, flicking a cigarette, scrathing their pits or waving to a friend. Gary
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For those of you thinking that the turn signal hidden inside the lense of your head light is a good idea ask your self a question, If grandma or grandpa is driving down the road in the opposite direction to your progress and you want to make a left turn, are they going to understand that your flickering headlite is a turn signal or just think it is a bulb with a bad connection?

To adeqautely have a turn signal installed behind a headlight lense the turn bulb must be shielded from the white light bulb so they can be viewed as two different operations. Most of the units made now day kind of skirt the definition of turn signals and the turn signal flashing inside a headlite really doesnt define that it is a turn signal. What happens when the white lights are on at night and the white light overpowers the directional bulb. It is one of those items that yes it works under some conditions but not necessarily good .
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For those of you thinking that the turn signal hidden inside the lense of your head light is a good idea ask your self a question, If grandma or grandpa is driving down the road in the opposite direction to your progress and you want to make a left turn, are they going to understand that your flickering headlite is a turn signal or just think it is a bulb with a bad connection?

To adeqautely have a turn signal installed behind a headlight lense the turn bulb must be shielded from the white light bulb so they can be viewed as two different operations. Most of the units made now day kind of skirt the definition of turn signals and the turn signal flashing inside a headlite really doesnt define that it is a turn signal. What happens when the white lights are on at night and the white light overpowers the directional bulb. It is one of those items that yes it works under some conditions but not necessarily good .
I have a buddy with a '39 that has amber bulbs behind his headlight lenses. It's actually quite obvious when the turn signals are blinking - with the headlights on or off... I don't think he did anything special, but it works for sure.

Anyway, food for thought.
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Old 12-29-2011, 05:46 PM   #44
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It doesnt matter if you can or cant see directionals or not in the front. If you cut someone off by crossing the lines and cause an accident its your fault, not your lights or lack there of...
i.e. Dont cut off grandma and grandpa!!
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Old 12-29-2011, 08:30 PM   #45
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For those of you thinking that the turn signal hidden inside the lense of your head light is a good idea ask your self a question, If grandma or grandpa is driving down the road in the opposite direction to your progress and you want to make a left turn, are they going to understand that your flickering headlite is a turn signal or just think it is a bulb with a bad connection?

To adeqautely have a turn signal installed behind a headlight lense the turn bulb must be shielded from the white light bulb so they can be viewed as two different operations. Most of the units made now day kind of skirt the definition of turn signals and the turn signal flashing inside a headlite really doesnt define that it is a turn signal. What happens when the white lights are on at night and the white light overpowers the directional bulb. It is one of those items that yes it works under some conditions but not necessarily good .
The signals/park lamps on my sedan are bright and very visible without drowning out the headlight. When viewed from any angle in the front it's very apparent that a turn signal is flashing rather than a defective headlight.
Plus... The amber bulbs inside the buckets are barely visible.
It's hard for me to see a downside to this arrangement and if I had stock headlight assemblies on my roadster I'd set the signals up the same way.
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Old 12-29-2011, 08:41 PM   #46
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I'm a Merc guy but have questions about these setups... So they act as turn signals, and at night are they one all the time or only when you are using the turn signal?

I'm not extremely diggin' being able to see the amber bulb in the housing but I need to add some sort of turn signal up front, the other driver's on the road don't remember what the hand gestures mean anymore...
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Old 12-29-2011, 08:54 PM   #47
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Same here, very happy with the stock Model A park lamp inside the headlight housing. I did upgrade to halogen headlamps bulbs (run both filaments all the time) because the old reflectors aren't as bright as they once were. No problems passing VA State Inspection. I even put a piezo tweeter across the flasher so I remember to turn off darn clamp-on Signal Stat steering column signal switch!
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Semaphores went out in the 50s. Maybe late 40s.
Nope. VW's had them until 1960.
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Headlamps and parkers are there in normal position in the bucket, all you do is drill another hole on the opposite side of the parker for turn signal plugs. I use a large amber bulb that is not hard to miss when illuminated but discreet enough. It doesn't interfere with headlamp function. I can't remember what wattage bulbs I used.
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Old 12-29-2011, 09:21 PM   #51
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Old 12-29-2011, 09:26 PM   #52
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Ok Now I didn't say it didn't work. Its a way to get you thru inspection and feel some what safer when turning but the issue develops when you use these at night. Its hard enough to get a good focus on those 40 MPH bulb headlights and then throw an obstruction in the mix. Now if you are right up close its like, man what are you talking about plain as day you can see them lights flashing. Thats not the big picture.

Most Ford conversions A to 36 are in the stock reflector and mix the two bulbs with the reflector. The issue develops as you get further from the vehicle and the white light beam intensity over powers the signal light especailly if you have quartz bulbs. Plus the added bulb has a tendency to produce a dark spot in the already shakey light pattern reflection.

Next time you have your ride out at night check it out, dont stand on top of the light and make a judgement. Stand 500 or 1000 feet down the road and see the result that an oncoming driver would see, that is a distance where decisions are made. In later 37-39 dlx Fords the bucket, refelector and lense spacing is deeper so positioning the directional low and forward of the reflector creates a better separation of light sources. In this stance they are slightly more visible but even then still have some issue as the separation distance between oncoming vehicles increases.
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Forgot to mention, I use resilvered OEM reflectors with QH inserts made to suit, not a generic bulb with poor focus. Proof of the pudding is in the eating and better than OEM and most sealed beams.
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I like the repro Jag lights (flat lenses, tri-bar design) with the light in bottom, I use them for parking lights, I can also run motorcycle bulb that are "hotter" than OEM (50/55) and visability is great.
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Old 12-29-2011, 10:32 PM   #55
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It works just great, the old lights I bought at a swap had 2 sockets. The small one had a single contact I changed to a double with a 1157 amber. Park and turn. And a halogen set of hi low bulbs.

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I used the cowl lights on my 31 Ford PK for turnsignals & parking lights. They are great.
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What about an old set of fog lights, just wire them up for turn signals and fog lights (if you want fog lights too). pic is off google not mine.
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i had a bug with these, they were great when they worked!

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Nobody's mentioned these yet, but places like AutoZone sell 1157 bulbs that look chrome when off, and amber when on. You usually see them on tuner cars with the all clear lenses.
My '29 will probably use these. I like the warm soft glow amber bulbs add to the headlights.
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So then, these would be considered traditional . . .
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But seriously, if the bulbs in the headlights are visible while the low beams are on, why not? If anybody would have cared about turnsignals back in the day someone would have done it.
And correct, the bulb in the V-Dubs was a "parking" light only.

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Nope. VW's had them until 1960.
IN the US Federal Regulations outlawed them in 1955.
In Europe German laws banned them for "Pedestrian Safety" in 1961
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My '38 Plymouth had the signals in the headlight pods from the factory..

..I converted them to halogens with amber bulbs in the headlight pod in the factory position, you could see them just fine. If you look at the headlights you can see the signal bulbs...

AND I didn't have to stick a motorcycle signal light somewhere on the front of the car
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Interesting stuff. I've just shaved the light units off the front fenders thank god. Been staring at them for so long i'm suprised i haven't kicked them off by now. Rear reflector units go ton ight aswell, both butt ugly!!

I had planned to run the park light in my new headlights i'm ordering for my Amazon and had thought about adding turn signals. I've done it before on a road going dune buggy but that was many years ago. It all depends on what i can get away with come the UK's yearly test time.

I have some small chrome turn signal units i was going to mount off the lower bumper, would look reasonably okay but up in the headlight would be alot cleaner. I'll have a chat with the tester (hot rod/classic car friendly) and see if it's a goer.

Any limey's getting away with it??
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Default Re: Turn signals inside headlights, is that street rod.

I got the turn signals installed in the head light.
Someone had mentioned spraying a light coat of silver over the amber bulb, to help hide it.
Well, it worked out really good. You can hardly tell they are in there unless they are lit.

So, if you want amber signals inside your headlight, but dont like the amber bulb showing, airbrush a very light coat of silver on the amber bulb. Hides them very well. Still very bright when lit.

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