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Old 12-04-2011, 08:48 PM   #1
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Default Question about titling an old car with no vin number....

Guys, long time new car guy, new to vintage. I found a car a I really want but the guy selling says no title and no VIN plackard. It's a 40's Cadillac. How do I get it titled? How do I prove it's not stolen? Thanks in advance for the help. I seriously love it so much I might buy it just to look at.
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Old 12-04-2011, 09:00 PM   #2
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Have HIM get that done before buying.
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Old 12-04-2011, 09:07 PM   #3
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Default Re: Question about titling an old car with no vin number....

check with your dmv might be able to get a reconstructed title and also if you know who it was registered to last send a registered letter to them ,When it comes back unanswered ,They can help,This is at a notary,Ask the questions there ,Everything else is illegal.
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Old 12-04-2011, 09:08 PM   #4
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Default Re: Question about titling an old car with no vin number....

http://www.txdmv.gov/vehicles/licens...ue_vehicle.htm
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Old 12-04-2011, 09:11 PM   #5
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Default Re: Question about titling an old car with no vin number....

See if you can have someone but a lien on the vecihle. In California with all of the proper lien paperwork completed the DMV will issue you all new paper work with vin number verification. Every state has their own way of doing things though.
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Old 12-04-2011, 09:14 PM   #6
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Default Re: Question about titling an old car with no vin number....

You should have done an intro on yourself in that section before you posted here

Good luck with registering a 40's car (your not sure the year of it?) with no title or VIN plate.
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Old 12-04-2011, 09:26 PM   #7
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You should have done an intro on yourself in that section before you posted here

Good luck with registering a 40's car (your not sure the year of it?) with no title or VIN plate.
Okay. I'll introduce myself. Thanks for the help.
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Old 12-04-2011, 09:53 PM   #8
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Default Re: Question about titling an old car with no vin number....

It all depends on what state you live in....
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Old 12-04-2011, 10:15 PM   #9
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In California they only allow a certain numbers of "kit car" vin numbers. I think they call it special build cars. It doesnt matter if its real metal or fiberglass to the DMV They can assign you a number but they dont make it easy. You have to get weighed and go to a CHP inspection. That's what will make or brake you. Technically they check for horns, turn signals, wipers etc... If the cop ain't cool then it can be tuff. After that you get your numbers but like I mentioned earlier... I'm pretty sure they only do a certain amount each year... That's what they told me at least...
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Old 12-04-2011, 10:19 PM   #10
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Oh yeah... They will assign you the year based on the motor. That means you better have a pre smog engine cause if not you might have to play the smog game... And those of us from sunny California know how much of a pain that is like I said earlier... It's all about how cool your CHP cop is!!
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Old 12-04-2011, 10:20 PM   #11
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Default Re: Question about titling an old car with no vin number....

it is very likely the car in question was titled using the engine number as the VIN.

but it should be the seller's responsibility to get you the required documents.

unfortunately, judging by your moniker, you are already hooked. or may even already own the car?

or perhaps you are the seller and are here just trying to solve your problem?
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Old 12-04-2011, 10:31 PM   #12
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Someone (either alive or deceased) holds title to that car. I am guessing the big problem will be VIN verification if all the tags are missing and the engine trans are missing as well. Research the requirements for your state BEFORE handing over any cash.

In Ontario Canada it is actually illegal to sell a car without a title (yes it can and has been done but it is not legal). As has been suggested, the present owner (who obviously has no way of proving he legally owns it if he does not have an ownership or any way to identify the vehicle through VIN tags) should deal with this issue before he sells. If this actually is your car, you need to talk to someone at the DMV regarding replacing an ownership, retitling, and VIN verification etc.
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Old 12-04-2011, 11:01 PM   #13
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Default Re: Question about titling an old car with no vin number....

Look on the passangers side top of the frame under the hood. That is were the vin # is on my 49 Cad.
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Old 12-05-2011, 02:58 AM   #14
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Thanks for all the responses. Found the car online and am going to look at it this week. It's in a storage lot and I am thinking it was abandoned. The guy selling has no interest in doing the work to get the papers. I'm going on what he said when I called him. No title and the vin is missing. I don't want to buy it then have the owner show up or worse find out it's stolen. I am thinking I may walk away.
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Old 12-05-2011, 04:46 AM   #15
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Default Re: Question about titling an old car with no vin number....

This guy is probably too lazy to look for the damn vin number. They're stamped on the frame rail and also on the engine, and most of my old books say the engine number IS the VIN through into the 1960s for Cadillac. My book says 1940 numbers are "on the left frame side bar, opposite the steering gear" and "on the crankcase, just behind the left cylinder block, parallell to the dash". These cars NEVER HAD A TAG ON THE BODY.

Not only that, but in Texas into the 1950s they used engine numbers on the title anyways.
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Old 12-05-2011, 05:11 AM   #16
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Old 12-05-2011, 05:35 AM   #17
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Default Re: Question about titling an old car with no vin number....

the least you need from him is a "bill of sale", if he will not give you a "bill of sale" run away. And make sure the bill of sale has both his and your names and a description of the car as well as any numbers on the car. Having it notarized is also good.
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Old 12-05-2011, 09:40 AM   #18
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What zman said.
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Old 12-05-2011, 09:48 AM   #19
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Default Re: Question about titling an old car with no vin number....

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See if you can have someone but a lien on the vecihle. In California with all of the proper lien paperwork completed the DMV will issue you all new paper work with vin number verification. Every state has their own way of doing things though.
You can do the same in Missouri but it is a pretty crooked way of doing it.

In answer to the question your '40s caddy would have been titled off of the engine number. There was no vin tag or vin number.

If you check the SEMA site you can find titling information for your state. they have a PDF I believe that tells the titleing requirements for every state.
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Old 12-05-2011, 09:49 AM   #20
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A bill of sale is useless unless the seller is legally able to sell the car. Make him get a title.

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