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Old 10-26-2011, 08:02 PM   #1
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Default 1955 Chevy VIN - Can anyone help me?

I am Texas resident in the process of buying a 1955 Chevy from a fellow Texan. The VIN on the title does not match the VIN tag on the driverís door post. The VIN on the title is T219411. I am told that in Texas the VIN on all 1955 and earlier Chevys is the motor number of the vehicle. The motor currently in the car is not the original motor block (no surprise there). The current owner of the 1955 Chevy tells me that the VIN (T219411) is an assigned number from the state of Texas. I cannot find the VIN shown on the title anywhere on the car. I checked with the Texas DOT (DMV) and in fact the car owner shown on the Texas title is in fact the person who is selling me the car and the license plate number shown on the title matches the license plate on the car. Is there a problem here and should I walk away from this deal.
Anybody have a 1955 Chevy out there with this same situation?
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Old 10-26-2011, 08:06 PM   #2
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An assigned VIN usually means a sticker somewhere on the car, in the doorjam or elsewhere. Texas DMV probably can tell you where they put them.
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Old 10-26-2011, 08:07 PM   #3
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See if the seller will get the title fixed....if he won't, then don't buy it. It's his problem.

In AZ the assigned VIN will be on the title, and also on a state issued sticker on the car.
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Old 10-26-2011, 08:08 PM   #4
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shouldn't it be a metal tag on the firewall and drivers side inside door pillar?
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Old 10-26-2011, 08:14 PM   #5
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originals on firewall tag and inside "A" pillar at windshield height. every one i've owned.
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Old 10-26-2011, 08:15 PM   #6
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that does look like an engine number. T meant Tonawanda, NY engine plant.

but it seems to me that most States were using serial numbers for identification prior to 1955. If Texas was still doing so in 1955, then somebody at your Motor Vehicle department should be able to confirm that.
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Old 10-26-2011, 08:30 PM   #7
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Texas was a motor number title in 55. Tax office DMV can fix it if they will. Maybe a trip to their office with the owner and they can fix it.
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Old 10-26-2011, 08:37 PM   #8
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If the seller refuses to go to Dmv with you to get the paperwork done I would not buy it.
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Old 10-27-2011, 05:24 AM   #9
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Original VIN is on the drivers a pillar on a sedan and in the drivers door jam on a hard top or convert...dead give away is it says Chevrolet. Cowl tag is just for trim.
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Old 10-27-2011, 08:42 AM   #10
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There is not a problem! Buy the car and have fun.
I have owned many 55 chevys. In Texas the title is by the motor not the body. I had a 55 once that went though Pubic Auction. The State made me do a stencil on the motor. I have that motor now in my shop. The car is long sold.
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Old 10-27-2011, 08:55 AM   #11
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Is the original VIN plate in the drivers door jamb?

I have this exact same issue with a tri 5 from Missouri. I however am not passing the buck to the next guy.

My car has the original vin plate on the car. Its not been tampered with. And I found the hidden vin on the frame. The WI DOT has a procedure to fix it.

1. Form: MV3623 Public Vehicle Identification Number Certification.
Filled out by the owner and a police officer to inspect the vin and sign off that it
hasnt been tampered with.
2. They asked for a letter from the guy I bought the car from stating that a motor ID
number was placed on the title by mistake.
3. Mailed all in with the normal forms required to title a vehicle.

4. Corrected title with the original vin mailed back

Get the guy to do this that you want to buy it from. Otherwise it might as well be a parts car.
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Old 10-27-2011, 08:56 AM   #12
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There is not a problem! Buy the car and have fun.
I have owned many 55 chevys. In Texas the title is by the motor not the body. I had a 55 once that went though Pubic Auction. The State made me do a stencil on the motor. I have that motor now in my shop. The car is long sold.
This is BAD advice
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Old 10-27-2011, 09:41 AM   #13
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The tag office here told me that in 1955 Fords were registered by frame numbers, Chevys by engine numbers.
If the title number is an assigned number, there should be a tag on the car with the number on it. There is no way that I would buy a titled car that didn't have a number on the car that matched the title. If you really want the car and the seller really wants to sell it, I think you need to go to the tag office together to get the paper work straightened out.
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Old 10-27-2011, 10:08 AM   #14
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If you really want the car and the seller really wants to sell it, I think you need to go to the tag office together to get the paper work straightened out.
The problem is something the seller needs to deal with on his own, the buyer should not be involved until there is a valid title to the car.
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Old 10-27-2011, 10:44 AM   #15
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It's not bad advise! 55 was by the motor 56 was the first year that they went by the door. If the motor is gone from the car or it has been changed the title will not match the car. The door post will however tell you if the car came with a V8 or a six. I use to part 55-57s back in the 80s and I have many of those door tags.
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Old 10-27-2011, 12:24 PM   #16
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It's not bad advise! 55 was by the motor 56 was the first year that they went by the door. If the motor is gone from the car or it has been changed the title will not match the car. The door post will however tell you if the car came with a V8 or a six. I use to part 55-57s back in the 80s and I have many of those door tags.
The engine number on his title means nothing to anybody outside the state of Texas (and anybody in Texas anymore) and in no way ties the title to the car. That may be how they used to do it there but it isnt how it was widely done across the country. The number on the title has to match the number on the car. Whether it be an affixed VIN plate by an authorized agency or the original VIN.

There is NO way around it.
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Old 10-27-2011, 01:04 PM   #17
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man that sounds like a mess the seller has to fix not the buyer.tell him if he can get #s to match youll take it,if not let it go.
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Old 10-27-2011, 01:29 PM   #18
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Gee, poster and seller are in Texas. Seems like a relatively simple issue to correct, maybe they have to have someone inspect the car for the serial on it to change the title, seller should be able to get that done. All this stuff for other states is irrelevant.
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Old 10-27-2011, 01:30 PM   #19
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talking to the dot usually means arguing with someone who doesnt speak good english
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Old 10-27-2011, 01:39 PM   #20
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Again I'm telling you there is not a problem. If you are that worried about it, Have the motor that is in the car stenciled with that number. Man has clear title,State says man has clear title, Man has plates to that title.
I understand that anyone can steal a 55 and put that title on it.

I have a 55 chevy I bought in 1983 it has never had a motor other than the original in it, but the original is long gone. There are no numbers on that car that will prove the title I have is the correct one. I know that it is and would have no problem putting the car on the road.
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Old 10-27-2011, 02:05 PM   #21
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I have never seen a Texas assigned number car that didn't have a Texas assigned number TAG screwed or pop-riveted onto the car somewhere. A car without a matching number it to the number on the title is NOT the car on the paperwork. That's the way it is. It may actually be the right car but without the tag it isn't.
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Old 10-27-2011, 02:36 PM   #22
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Again I'm telling you there is not a problem. If you are that worried about it, Have the motor that is in the car stenciled with that number. Man has clear title,State says man has clear title, Man has plates to that title.
I understand that anyone can steal a 55 and put that title on it.

I have a 55 chevy I bought in 1983 it has never had a motor other than the original in it, but the original is long gone. There are no numbers on that car that will prove the title I have is the correct one. I know that it is and would have no problem putting the car on the road.
I'm not worried about it. I'm not in Texas buying that car. (I wouldnt buy it because it has no title) Unless it was priced as a parts car as im always looking really really really good deals on tri 5's.

A title without a car with numbers on it that match the title is a worthless peice of paper. What's so hard to understand about that? No matter what state your in!
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Old 10-27-2011, 04:56 PM   #23
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Rogueman,that crap might fly in podunk Texas,but if you sell that car to somebody from another state the title you have is worthless because most states we have to have title,registration and numbers matchiing on car verified and it doesn't get titled until this is done. Now maybe that clears it up. Example I buy a Model T from Georgia which didn't have titles in 1927. Seller has last registration.. I buy it ,bring it to Florida,Have to have the paperwork and car verified. Cop comes out,and oh shit,original motor is gone so can't vertify numbers. I am stuck with a parts car.

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Old 10-27-2011, 05:13 PM   #24
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my 54 title does not match what is on the door, title matches the plates, title matches the block thats cracked sitting in my garage. plates match the sticker from last registration 2001. if the dmv says your good to go your good to go.... if they say you are not then you are not... IMO
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Old 10-30-2011, 01:10 AM   #25
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there is a vin on the right top of the frame rail right under the drivers seat you will need a mirror to read it Ron
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Old 12-10-2011, 04:29 PM   #26
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If you want some fun reading, go the the Packard car sight. My 1949 Packard could have been titled with four (4) different numbers that are on the car depending what state the car was sold in. The is the engine stamped number, which is used by CA and TX and some others, then there is the security number (huge numbers rolled into the firewall), then there is the Packard number on a tag on the top of the firewall, and last there is another body tag with a number on the firewall. Mine, was bought in Ill 2 years ago with a numbers matching title to the engine number. I sent the title in to WI and they gave me a WI title with the engine number. I don't think (WI DOT) is going to let you change or create a number. So with that said, we are going to put a 455 olds in the Packard and keep the flathead 8 in storage for as long as we have the car. I don't see a way around it. In WI, at least for me, a title is more important than having a actual car. I can get any title in my name thought the mail without anyone seeing a actual car. On the other hand, I have been unsuccessful (3 times) in getting a title for a car that I did not get a title when I bought it. I even had a bill of sale from a dealer (out of state). WI DOT told me that just because I bought a car without a title, doesn't mean we (DOT) have to give you one. Exact words. I even had the State Patrol verify the VIN number and a written statement from the State Patrol that the car was not stollen...

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Old 12-10-2011, 04:52 PM   #27
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make sure you get this straight before you buy the car. i know in ohio that would go through hell if you buy a car without a good title
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Old 12-10-2011, 11:27 PM   #28
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I am Texas resident in the process of buying a 1955 Chevy from a fellow Texan. The VIN on the title does not match the VIN tag on the driverís door post. The VIN on the title is T219411. I am told that in Texas the VIN on all 1955 and earlier Chevys is the motor number of the vehicle. The motor currently in the car is not the original motor block (no surprise there). The current owner of the 1955 Chevy tells me that the VIN (T219411) is an assigned number from the state of Texas. I cannot find the VIN shown on the title anywhere on the car. I checked with the Texas DOT (DMV) and in fact the car owner shown on the Texas title is in fact the person who is selling me the car and the license plate number shown on the title matches the license plate on the car. Is there a problem here and should I walk away from this deal.
Anybody have a 1955 Chevy out there with this same situation?
First,that T219411 number is not a 55 chevy engine no.
55 engine numbers followed this format.

1954 - 1957 Engines



Unit Numbers: start with 1001 at each plant.


Plant Designations:


Model Year:

FFlint, Michigan541954
TTonawanda, New York551955
561956
571957

Second- You say the vin no. tag is still on the door post.
It should not be difficult for the seller to get a new title made using the original vin no.

Third- If you buy this car and later want to sell someone out of state you will have nothing but trouble.

Fourth- Insurance 1- getting coverage without the right vin no. would likely be difficult at best. 2-In the event of some kind of major loss,you could not prove the car is the one currently titled. Insurance may refuse to pay a claim.

Fifth- Don't make the seller's problem,your problem!
If he is not willing to get a new title made using the vin no. on the door post,walk away.
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Decide on your gut. That is what I would do. If it bothers you then make sure things are right before the deal is done.
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[QUOTE=Rogueman; There are no numbers on that car that will prove the title I have is the correct one. I know that it is and would have no problem putting the car on the road.[/QUOTE]

You've said it yourself..."There are no numbers on that car that will prove the title I have is the correct one." Rest assured that everything will be just fine UNTIL YOU NEED TO PROVE THAT THE TITLE MATCHES THE CAR. Don't EVEN worry about having to make a claim against your insurance should the need arise. They'll laugh in your face, after they've checked the car for the "VIN" on your title. Had a close friend here in Texas that went through your exact scenario with a '55 he owned since '83. DD
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You should go thru the Texas methods of correcting the number to match you orig W/S post stainless tag if it is still welded there....

Let me share a funny side bar to this post and it's statements.
Back as recent as 1969 a lot of states did follow protocol with any other states and did whatever they could or in some cases wanted to set the processes of registering a car with a number in question.....

My '56 Chevy 2 dr post I had in hi school was my daily driver at that time...It had been bought by me at a Chevrolet dealer with the original six cyinder stick.running poorly.
I swapped in a 283 then a 327 later and was driving it on the 6 plates....common practice back then as law enforcement was not as prolific as nowadays.

Long story short- I was pulled over by an oficer who was into more detail than most at the time.
He checked my car over on the street and saw the descrepency of 6 cyl on title and V8 in the engine bay....

I was required to pay a ticket for loud pipes and also reuired to bring the car to our local highway patrol station for numbers check.
The tag on the W/S post was [and still is] intact and matched the title numbers.
The 6 vs 8 cyl liscence plate costs and taxes however did not match up.

They checked over the car and all numbered items and here is what they did.
My 56 was re titled and had to be re inspected and new plates issued using the 1963 327 engine numbers on my block in the car!

So from that date on the "new" title did not match the number on w/s post tag!
Fast forward 33 years and after rediscovering my old 56 I now have it again.....

However no title was now with this car.
After an exhaustive search I cannot find any info thru the state to verify that it is my car,or I ever owned it.

I know that it was never registered after I sold it from info I got tracking it down,however the records are not kept over 5 years in Missouri on inactive title cars [and even my "crime"record] has expired....so the moral of the story is- almost anything can happen with your old cars and their paperwork...
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First,that T219411 number is not a 55 chevy engine no.
55 engine numbers followed this format.

1954 - 1957 Engines





Unit Numbers: start with 1001 at each plant.





Plant Designations:





Model Year:



FFlint, Michigan541954
TTonawanda, New York551955
561956
571957

Second- You say the vin no. tag is still on the door post.
It should not be difficult for the seller to get a new title made using the original vin no.

Third- If you buy this car and later want to sell someone out of state you will have nothing but trouble.

Fourth- Insurance 1- getting coverage without the right vin no. would likely be difficult at best. 2-In the event of some kind of major loss,you could not prove the car is the one currently titled. Insurance may refuse to pay a claim.

Fifth- Don't make the seller's problem,your problem!
If he is not willing to get a new title made using the vin no. on the door post,walk away.

Here are the problems all layed out for you. If Tx doesn't require you to have an inspection, that Rogue guy is correct, you can buy it and tag it without a problem. If I wanted to buy it however, KS requires me to have it inspected. It would not pass that inspection, and I would not get a shiny new KS title. His fourth point is very important too. Say you have an accident in the car...they won't pay to fix your car if they can't verify that it IS the car you pay to insure. Worse, you'll be on the hook for any personal injuries associated with the accident as well, so on top of losing your car, you'll have lost everything else you own....make the owner straighten out the paper work first, it is in your best interest.
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