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Old 02-19-2011, 08:45 AM   #21
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Default Re: Italian Body, American Bones.

There were a number of these "hybrids" (as I refer to them) in the 50's, 60's and even into the 70's......
American V8's, European coachwork (mostly Italian). Chassis largely European but occasionally American.....


Car--Engine--Body
Dual-Ghia-Dodge-Ghia
Facel Vega-Chrysler-Facel
Gordon-Keeble-Chevy-Bertone
Intermeccanica-Chevy-Cumberford
Iso Rivolta-Chevy-Giugiaro/Bertone
Iso Grifo-Chevy-Giugiaro/Bertone
Bizzarrini-Chevy-Giugiaro/Bertone
Monteverdi-Chrysler-Frua
Shelby Cobra-Ford-Cobra
Sunbeam Tiger-Ford-Sunbeam
Cunningham C3-Chrysler-Vignale
Bristol-Chrysler-Bristol
MGB-GT V8-Rover(nee Buick)-MG
Fina Sport-Ford or Cadillac-Vignale
Cadillac-Cadillac-Pininfarina

I'm sure there were others but these are the major cars....

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Old 02-19-2011, 09:15 AM   #22
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There were a number of these "hybrids" (as I refer to them) in the 50's, 60's and even into the 70's......
American V8's, European coachwork (mostly Italian). Chassis largely European but occasionally American.....


Car--Engine--Body
Dual-Ghia-Dodge-Ghia
Facel Vega-Chrysler-Facel
Gordon-Keeble-Chevy-Bertone
Intermeccanica-Chevy-Cumberford
Iso Rivolta-Chevy-Giugiaro/Bertone
Iso Grifo-Chevy-Giugiaro/Bertone
Bizzarrini-Chevy-Giugiaro/Bertone
Monteverdi-Chrysler-Fura
Shelby Cobra-Ford-Cobra
Sunbeam Tiger-Ford-Sunbeam
Cunningham C3-Chrysler-Vignale
Bristol-Chrysler-Bristol
MGB-GT V8-Rover(nee Buick)-MG
Fina Sport-Ford or Cadillac-Vignale
Cadillac-Cadillac-Pininfarina

I'm sure there were others but these are the major cars....
DeTomaso Mangusta and Pantera -- Ford powerplants
Intermeccanica also used Ford powerplants
Allard- Ford and Cadillac powerplants
Cadillac Allante
Chryslers with Ghia bodies
Chrysler TC Maserati collaboration
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Old 02-19-2011, 09:27 AM   #23
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Perry Fina lived here in Connecticut, someone should write a book or at least an Automobile Quarterly type feature on his life. He had a shop in New York City that took delivery of every ALLARD that came into the country, he installed the engines, then they went on to the dealers. Perry was an early SCCA owner/driver, his NARDI is restored and racing in Vintage events now.
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Old 02-19-2011, 01:52 PM   #24
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A similar idea:fficeffice" />>>
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Old 02-19-2011, 04:28 PM   #25
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DeTomaso Mangusta and Pantera -- Ford powerplants
Intermeccanica also used Ford powerplants
Allard- Ford and Cadillac powerplants
Cadillac Allante
Chryslers with Ghia bodies
Chrysler TC Maserati collaboration



The "Thomas Special's" were built in numbers......18 total IIRC.....6 by Chrysler and another 12 by Ghia.....
The D'Elegance, K310, C200, Fire Arrows II, III, IV, (I was a styling buck only), Desoto Adventurer I, & Adventurer II were all one-offs.....But all had Ghia built bodies. There were a number of other dream car/concepts after these but never had the impact of the first Virgil Exner/Ghia group.....Also there was a Plymouth coupe called the "Explorer" (IIRC it's in the Imperial Car Collection in LV, Nev) Very simlilar to the Dodge Fire Arrow Coupe...Painted a bright green......
Forgot the Chrysler "Falcon" (Ghia) sports car.......3 made. Was aimed at production but the deciders of such things backed out at the last minute I understand.

My Granddad had a Dodge/Plymouth agency from the 40's to the mid 60's...Saw several dealer mags articles about the first bunch.....Always loved them.....

Joe Bortz has found, restored, and sold a number of these Chrysler dream cars.....Wish they could find the Adventurer I...

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Old 02-19-2011, 04:48 PM   #26
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A similar idea:fficeffice" />>>
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Hudson Italia – Hudson - Carrozzeria Touring>>



Right!......Did a Google..........says 26 Hudson Italia's were made....

Just recalled another one.....Studebaker Ghia-Aigle........Saw a mention of it on some car blog(???) 3-5 years ago. It's in some lucky fellows private collection........IMCDB has some pics of it from film frame.......Nice!

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Old 02-19-2011, 07:04 PM   #27
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Before the Cobra, Carroll Shelby, Jim Hall and Gary Laughlin had three 1959 Corvette chassis bodied by Carrozzeria Scaglietti in Modena, Italy. The three Texans hoped to put the car into production but the powers at GM didn't think that was such a great idea. Only three were ever built, their aluminum bodies styled after the beautiful Ferrari Tour De France. When FoMoCo came out with their thin-wall V8, Shelby served up the idea again and the rest is history.
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Old 02-19-2011, 07:39 PM   #28
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Let's not forget the Apollo GT...

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Old 02-19-2011, 07:54 PM   #29
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[QUOTE=fredeuce;6242682]What about the AC Cobra? Yet another and perhaps the most widely known marriage of "Foreign" and American automotive technology.





hell yeah!!

although i guess 66 is not old enough
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Old 02-19-2011, 09:09 PM   #30
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These cars take my breath away.
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What about the AC Cobra?
.........................although i guess 66 is not old enough
How about 1963 ?

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Old 02-20-2011, 06:44 AM   #32
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Before the Cobra, Carroll Shelby, Jim Hall and Gary Laughlin had three 1959 Corvette chassis bodied by Carrozzeria Scaglietti in Modena, Italy. The three Texans hoped to put the car into production but the powers at GM didn't think that was such a great idea. Only three were ever built, their aluminum bodies styled after the beautiful Ferrari Tour De France. When FoMoCo came out with their thin-wall V8, Shelby served up the idea again and the rest is history.


Beautiful!..........That's a new one on me......Right Shelby used the 60V8 to in the original Cobra.......Sunbeam Alpine Tiger used it too.........Rover/MG/Triumph used the 60 Buick for many years.......

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Old 02-20-2011, 06:48 AM   #33
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What about the AC Cobra? Yet another and perhaps the most widely known marriage of "Foreign" and American automotive technology.





hell yeah!!

although i guess 66 is not old enough

No, I had Shelby Cobra, Ford.....The early Cobra and the later 427ci were definility different animals........

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Old 02-20-2011, 09:59 AM   #34
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Let's not forget the Apollo GT...

Apollo GT - Buick - Intermeccanica

Saw an Apollo GT in Vegas (64 or 65 IIRC).......Think it was black.(too long ago).....Very attractive car as I recall...........The little Buick was a nice engine...60 V8, all aluminum.......

Also saw a Morgan Plus 4 Plus (+4+) on the same street...(and the same time period) as well as a Lancia Florida......Not "hybrids" but interesting cars.......

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Old 02-20-2011, 10:54 AM   #35
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Default Re: Italian Body, American Bones.

Did anyone mention the TVR Griffith? Another American (Ford) V-8 powered furrin' sporty car.
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Old 02-20-2011, 01:38 PM   #36
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Did anyone mention the TVR Griffith? Another American (Ford) V-8 powered furrin' sporty car.

Yep!.....Your right...................Too, IIRC, the "Bristol" used an American engine at one time.....
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Old 02-20-2011, 02:23 PM   #37
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Hudson italia, one my favorites

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Old 02-20-2011, 03:00 PM   #38
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Jensens had American V8s also.
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So many times I came close to buying a Muntz or an Iso but backed out. Kicking myself over and over and over...

Even an early fiberglass job would peak my interest nowadays, but the Cunningham would be my first choice.

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Interesting car, I had never heard of before.
Imagine what it would have been like to be a man of means back then and having to choose between buying something like this vs. a Muntz Jet, Cunningham,Allard, or other American V-8-powered exotic cars of that time....or maybe even an XK120, Ferrari, Aston,etc.
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How about a more common foreign body (British) with American bones (Ford 302)...
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