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Old 11-01-2010, 05:29 PM   #1
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Default Pics of my model A suicide front end

Just finished up doing the spring mounts on the suicide front end for the hot rod

just looking for some opinions on how the mounts on the wishbones came out
I basically just cut up some steel plate shaped it and tig welded to the wishbones, and added some gussets to the top and to the bottom

also Im leaning towards keeping the connecting link for the steering out in front of the axle are there any disadvantages to this ?

any input is appreciated





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Old 11-01-2010, 05:41 PM   #2
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Tie rod in front is a very bad idea. Not only bad steering ackerman but makes reverse ackerman.
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Old 11-01-2010, 05:46 PM   #3
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Well would ya look at that FORD in a FORD. way to go man. the only way imo.
oh yea the front looks pretty good too. Buddy of mine did his like that he didnt really like the feel.
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Old 11-01-2010, 05:50 PM   #4
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It's not too late to put it back the way it's supposed to be.
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Old 11-01-2010, 05:57 PM   #5
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i agree, make it right..
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Old 11-01-2010, 05:59 PM   #6
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Default Re: Pics of my model A suicide front end

Not too enamored with the name on the door and the trim on the grille.
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Old 11-01-2010, 06:00 PM   #7
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Yep. The front end is gonna 'plow' when you steer. I bent my steering arms out towards the wheels as far as they would go. It worked better but still not perfect.
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Old 11-01-2010, 06:06 PM   #8
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If I read that correctly, every time you flex the springs it is going to want to twist on the bones. I'm not so sure I would be in favor of that. Nice ride though.
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Old 11-01-2010, 06:06 PM   #9
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It's ratastic for sure.

Not a huge fan of suicide front ends but hey it's your car homie do what you like!!!!!!!
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Old 11-01-2010, 06:11 PM   #10
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Not too enamored with the name on the door and the trim on the grille.
Yeah thats not staying there
the name was on there when I bought the body
and the grille piece is just hanging with zip ties
Im not sure if Im gonna paint the car flat green, flat black, or flat red yet but the lettering will not be there when its painted
and the skull and wrenches normally hang on my garage wall and will be removed when the car is finished
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Old 11-01-2010, 06:13 PM   #11
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I dont think you will like the handeling once you finish it and go for the test ride. To each his own though.
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Old 11-01-2010, 06:17 PM   #12
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It's not too late to put it back the way it's supposed to be.
are you referring to the steering ? or the spring mounts ?

For the steering I personally dont mind if it goes behind the wheel or in front of the wheel,

Im just looking for any disadvantages to it going in the front because right now it fits this way

if I move it to the back I have to get dropped steering arms to clear the wishbones and Im on a very tight budget with this car (but if its going to cause an issue with the steering being messed up I will buy the drop arms to move the steering back behind the axle)

as for the suicide style spring behind the front axle
that is how its staying I like the look of a little longer wheelbase on a coupe body and I like the way it looks with the spring behind the axle
and I want to stay with the stock wishbone look
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Old 11-01-2010, 06:45 PM   #13
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Are you referring to the steering ? Or the spring mounts?
All of it, I'm not into the suicide frontend thing.........it makes the car look like a cartoon. Henry got the wheelbase correct straight from the factory.
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Old 11-01-2010, 06:50 PM   #14
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If it had a small block Chevy in it and said mouse nest on the door would it be O.K. ? Sorry just playin Maytag.............build it the way U want as long as its safe!
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Old 11-01-2010, 06:51 PM   #15
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are you referring to the steering ? or the spring mounts ?

For the steering I personally dont mind if it goes behind the wheel or in front of the wheel,

Im just looking for any disadvantages to it going in the front because right now it fits this way

if I move it to the back I have to get dropped steering arms to clear the wishbones and Im on a very tight budget with this car (but if its going to cause an issue with the steering being messed up I will buy the drop arms to move the steering back behind the axle)

as for the suicide style spring behind the front axle
that is how its staying I like the look of a little longer wheelbase on a coupe body and I like the way it looks with the spring behind the axle
and I want to stay with the stock wishbone look
Not sure that it matters, but mine is in front and it drives fine for me.



My friend's 30 has a front end pretty similar to yours, he has been running it for at least two, maybe three years. His ride does get a bad wobble sometimes after hitting a hard bump. I don't know if that is due to the mount of the spring that way, he added some friction shocks on it and that seemed to help him out(he still gets it, but doesn't seem to be as often). Sorry I don't have a photo after he added the shocks.

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Old 11-01-2010, 06:55 PM   #16
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Nice welds. I like your car!
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Old 11-01-2010, 07:01 PM   #17
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The only problem I've had with the suicide front end on my truck is when I pull into a sandy parking lot. If I have the steering wheel turned tight and and catch a patch of sand it tends to push the front wheels a bit. But it's only then I'm going slow and trying to make a tighter turn that I should.
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Old 11-01-2010, 07:28 PM   #18
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Default Re: Pics of my model A suicide front end

I don't want to jump on the negative bandwagon, but the leaf spring mounted to the wishbone is a no-no. The bones are not meant to be stressed in that plane, or carry the weight of the front end at the hollow part of teh tube.

The weight of the whole car loaded on that tiny spring mount on the thin tube of the wishbone is a failure waiting to happen. Not to mention, the wishbone is trying to bear a load in a long horizontal plane and has a hot (hard) weld in a short vertical plane.

Stress fractures always form 90 degrees to the load and that leaf spring bracket is making it WAY worse. The first cracks will form on the underside of that bracket where you won't see them, then the whole bracket will break off the wishbone and your front end will hit the pavement. Not good..

Good move asking for advise, there are lots of experienced guys hanging around here.

Good luck,-Abone.
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Old 11-01-2010, 08:18 PM   #19
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I personally like the suicide front ends as much as the under frame way. I am going with a suicide front end on my T coupe I am building right now. I have seen people run their spring mounts on the bones many of times and worked fine. I have also seen many people run that link in front of the axle as well and still work fine. I actually did both of those things on a T pickup I built and it worked fine. I didn't drive it much I only built it for the shop I was working for but I never heard anything wrong about it.

By the way, Is it just me or do the top corners of your doors look a little to pointed in the 90 degree way? Also the quarter windows and the rear windows look a little off too. Is that body pieced together from more than one?
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Old 11-01-2010, 08:33 PM   #20
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Please do a search and study "ackerman"
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