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Old 07-13-2010, 01:30 AM   #1
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Default Just got a 1964 Rambler 770 2 door hardtop v8 car

Well I found this little car and 500 dollars later owned it. Plan on a chevy drivetrain and leaving the car stock appearing. Has anyone pulled the AMc drivetrain and installed a chevy one? Any MAJOR issues I am going to run into? Thanks in advance.






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Old 07-13-2010, 06:08 AM   #2
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Default Re: Just got a 1965 Rambler 770 2 door hardtop v8 car

Well I found this little car and 500 dollars later owned it. Plan on a chevy drivetrain and leaving the car stock appearing. Has anyone pulled the AMc drivetrain and installed a chevy one? Any MAJOR issues I am going to run into? Thanks in advance.


What is MAJOR to you might not be MAJOR to another person. Motor Mounts, Trans Mount. Figure out complete Exhaust . All Linkage, Drive Shaft.
One step at a time and you will find it is easy. Do it all yourself and you will find it very rewarding. Much better than paying someone to do it for you.

Good Luck with the project. It is a nice body style.
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Old 07-13-2010, 06:57 AM   #3
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Default Re: Just got a 1965 Rambler 770 2 door hardtop v8 car

Are you angry with the AMC drive train, or is it junk?????

See if it's any good first.
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Old 07-13-2010, 07:28 AM   #4
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Default Re: Just got a 1965 Rambler 770 2 door hardtop v8 car

I had a 65 Convertable, already had a SBC when I got it, if I were to do it I'd go with AMC power. A 401 or 390 can be found real easy. Late 70's AMC Spirit Disc brakes/spindles will bolt on.
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Old 07-13-2010, 07:43 AM   #5
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Default Re: Just got a 1965 Rambler 770 2 door hardtop v8 car

I had one of those in high School.
Ran great.
There is NOTHING wrong with that drivetrain unless it is busted.
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Old 07-13-2010, 07:46 AM   #6
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Default Re: Just got a 1965 Rambler 770 2 door hardtop v8 car

it's already got a small block in it, get it running, clean it up, and drive it. before and after, my kids 65 classic, with the 287.



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Old 07-13-2010, 09:07 AM   #7
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I'd keep the 287, but it's your car -- go the way you want to! The 287 can't be done a whole lot with, but you can get a decent performance boost easy. They all had 2V carbs only, no factory 4V option for the 287... officially. The 327 is identical except for a 1/4" bigger bore (can't bore a 287 that much!), and at least half made had a 4V. Get the intake (e-bay, swap meets, I can put a call out on the AMC-List for you) but NOT the carb. Carb is a little Holley 450. Stick a 600 on it and you're good to go! If you can do some minor fab work a late model AMC intake can be made to fit. You need 1/2" thick aluminum adapter plates on each side of the intake to make up for the wider width of the GEN-1 AMC V-8 (250/287/327). You'd have to fab headers (but the stock exhaust manifolds are pretty clean) and have the stock cam re-ground. All I'd do is get the cam ground and use a 1.75"-2" dual exhaust on it with the 4V intake (later AMC preferred) and 600 cfm carb (or a TBI EFI system preferred for a driver). That should give you a good 60-75 hp kick in the pants.

If you put ANY other drivetrain in you'll have to build a complete rear suspension. The GEN-1 AMC V-8 has a unique bell housing to engine pattern, newer trannys won't fit, and it's costly to mate the torque tube to another trans. So you have to install ladder bars, three/four link, or truck arms (Hot Rods To Hell makes a GM G-body kit that you just mod the mounting crossmember to fit the Rambler).

Well, I take that back! You COULD locate the bell housing for a 67-71 AMC GEN-2/3 engine (GEN-2 is 66-69 290/343/390, GEN-3 70-91 304/360/401 -- 70 only 390) and bolt the existing trans to that. Prior to 72 AMC used Borg-Warner autos with a removable bell and the bells will swap, leaving the original auto and torque tube intact. I wouldn't put anything over 350 or so hp in front of the older BW trans though. AMC used a stouter model behind the 390/401, but then they expected those to get "rode hard and put up wet" too. The older one will be good with 400 hp for normal cruising, but if you "get on it" a lot the trans will be stressed a bit much and won't last too long.

That said, I've got a bored and stroked AMC/Jeep EFI 4.0L (4.6L) in my 63 with a Jag IRS in the back and the Jeep AW-4 auto/OD trans. A stock EFI 4.0L has a bit more power than a 287 -- 190 hp NET for the 4.0L vs. 143 hp NET for the stock 287 (198 hp GROSS). The Jeep six puts out just a little more torque, but at a LOT more rpm -- torque peak on the 4.0L is 225 ft/lbs @ 4750 rpm (91-95 -- 3000 rpm 96-00), on the 287 it's 202 ft/lbs at 2600 rpm.

All the 63-66 Classic/Ambassador/Marlin/Rebel models have the exact same drivetrain, basically the same body. Ambassador is 8" longer between the firewall and front wheels, Marlin is a Classic with different roof and rear sheet metal, from the back edge of the door forward it's identical to the Classic. Good parts interchange!
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Old 07-13-2010, 10:16 AM   #8
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someone should mention that the photo's posted are a 63-4 Rambler. My Mom bought a new 64 990 Ambassador. 2 door hardtop, Black with Red interior, 327 four barrel, console shift. I loved that car. I have a 65 770 now but would trade it in a minute for the 63-4 model like yours
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Old 07-13-2010, 10:20 AM   #9
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I haven't gotten her home yet so haven't messed with the engine. I figured that parts for the lil AMC engine would be scarce since it is a 65. I will probably get her fired up and drive her as she is for now. I am sure in the future I will tackle a chevy transplant but for now mights as well enjoy it for what it is.
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Old 07-13-2010, 10:29 AM   #10
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someone should mention that the photo's posted are a 63-4 Rambler.
HA!

You joined the HAMB as "65Rambler" and it's really a 63-64
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Ahh it is a 64 ROFL. I dunno why I was thinking 65!?!?!
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Old 07-13-2010, 10:44 AM   #12
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Ahh it is a 64 ROFL. I dunno why I was thinking 65!?!?!

Sure is a neat car for the price, though.

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Old 07-13-2010, 10:49 AM   #13
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I just didn't pay much attention... yep, it's a 64! The 64 has a concave grille with a straight hood, 64 hood has a drop lip in the center between the headlights. Only other real difference is minor -- taillight housings are different. 63 has a wrap around taillight (better!) 64 has a flat one (can't see it from the side, and no marker lights either). I'd definitely get a set of 63 taillights and lenses or install rear side marker lights. Maybe something small like the "bullet hole" lights used on some Chryco models. I put the larger late model AMC front marker lights on mine (1"x3", or thereabouts).
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Old 07-13-2010, 11:28 AM   #14
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Well, I take that back! You COULD locate the bell housing for a 67-71 AMC GEN-2/3 engine (GEN-2 is 66-69 290/343/390, GEN-3 70-91 304/360/401 -- 70 only 390) and bolt the existing trans to that. Prior to 72 AMC used Borg-Warner autos with a removable bell and the bells will swap, leaving the original auto and torque tube intact. I wouldn't put anything over 350 or so hp in front of the older BW trans though. AMC used a stouter model behind the 390/401, but then they expected those to get "rode hard and put up wet" too. The older one will be good with 400 hp for normal cruising, but if you "get on it" a lot the trans will be stressed a bit much and won't last too long.

Thanks for the info! You can still get performance parts for those years because of the Javelins.
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Old 07-13-2010, 11:32 AM   #15
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the dash is setup for A/C, but i dont see a pump on the motor but its good to know the A/C option will be easy to setup
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You joined the HAMB as "65Rambler" and it's really a 63-64
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Old 07-13-2010, 12:20 PM   #17
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[QUOTE=65Rambler;5425354]Well I found this little car and 500 dollars later owned it. Plan on a chevy drivetrain and leaving the car stock appearing. Has anyone pulled the AMc drivetrain and installed a chevy one? Any MAJOR issues I am going to run into? Thanks in advance.
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Putting a small block in it won't be a big deal. No different than putting a small block in any thing else. An engine swap is an engine swap.

You can loose the torque tube pretty easy just by changing the rear and you don't need a kit to do it. That is not to say that there is anything wrong with a kit, and Hot Rods to Hell makes good pieces.

Anyway you shouldn't have any clearance problems with a small block its a pretty common swap.

I'd take a look at the engine that's in it before I went after another. If its good then concentrate your cash on something else that is important to you. Drive it awhile if the drive train is good and let it develope a personality, then decide what you need to do to enhance that personality.

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Old 07-13-2010, 02:18 PM   #18
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A big block will easily fit the "big" AMC cars (Classic/Rebel/Matador/Marlin/Ambassador), just not the smaller ones (all others!). Speed parts are available for the GEN-2/3 (almost the same, slightly higher deck on GEN-3 and slightly better heads) because it's the most numerous. Javelin/AMX has something to do with it, but those cars were only built for seven years. Jeeps have more to do with performance parts being available as the GEN-3 360 was produced through1991 for them (360, last 401 was 78 -- last in a car was 74). I'm willing to bet there are a lot more Jeepers buying AMC performance part than car owners nowadays! Same with the AMC six, the most ubiquitous AMC engine.

Porky is right -- no kit needed, just makes it easier and quicker. All depends on your fab skills! Any number of 3/4 link weld in kits will go in, but there' not one made specifically for these cars. For all that matters it's not hard to make the 67-78 AMC big car rear suspension fit. The axle is an inch or two wider so you'll need slightly deeper wheels, but the chassis is basically the same -- just weld in mounts for the lower arms and the upper crossmember (which needs to be trimmed about 1/2" on each end to fit between the rails). Leaf springs have been used, but you have to weld in a stop near the gas tank filler to keep the spring from bottoming out and crushing the filler pipe, and you have to use rather short springs. 64-69 American springs should work, some have used Mustang II springs. I don't recommend leafs though, about the same cost/work as a better four link.
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Old 08-23-2010, 08:59 PM   #19
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PLEASE dont give if a god-forsaken chevy engine, ive seen too many Ramblers get ruined because someone decided to put in a POS 350, when they have a perfectly good Rambler engine.
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Old 08-23-2010, 09:09 PM   #20
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Those AMC engines will survive a nuclear war. They're great engines. If you want more power, there are plenty of 360s and even 401s in the junkyards. Look for junked Wagoneers.
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