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Old 05-02-2010, 08:38 PM   #1
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Default 47 Plymouth Coupe Project

Ok I decided it helps in my motivation and aids in my abiliby to ask questions if I have a project thread started. This is a 47 Plymouth Coupe. 283 Chevy, 350 th Trans, and a Ford 9". I've been working on it for about 3 weeks now I have installed a Holley fuel pressure regulator that solved an issue with gas pouring out the top of the carb when the fuel pump was turned on. Now it idles like a champ. I installed a new brake hose on the drivers side yesterday. Removed the brake pedal arm today, the late model masterclylinder doesn't line up to the original holes properly so I'm going to drill a new hole in the arm in an attempt to salvage the parts I already have.

The interior is pretty dated, the grey tweed will have to go. The body work is started but still has a long way to go. I'm in the market for a set of steel wheels with wide whites, and maybe a set of old cheater slicks for the rear.

The head lights are frenched, The Brake lights are some type of tear drop style, I'm not sure what they came off of. The front appears to have some work done to the grill, but I'm not sure what they looked like under the chrome, I've never had a chance to look at a stock one. I just purchased 2 bumpers off e-bay, the rear one had been shaved and the front cut into bumperettes.

Right now my goal is to make the thing safe and driveable so I can drive it and enjoy it while I work out the bugs.

I plan on updating regularly.
Thanks in advance for all your support.
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Old 05-02-2010, 08:52 PM   #2
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Default Re: 47 Plymouth Coupe Project

Ok I'm on the brakes. I'm going to remove the drums tomorrow and check the condition. Any body got any pointers on removing the drums, before I just start wacking away at em. Needless to say I don't want to cause more trouble for myself. I also don't really understand the adjustment process quite yet, so I guess there's only one way to find out.
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Old 05-02-2010, 08:55 PM   #3
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Default Re: 47 Plymouth Coupe Project

not much advise for the plymouth but congrats on the coupe !
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Old 05-02-2010, 08:55 PM   #4
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Old 05-02-2010, 08:58 PM   #5
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Default Re: 47 Plymouth Coupe Project

If the brakes are stock, Go here ad read the techical tips. and maint section whole section on adjustment and pulling the rear drums

http://www40.addr.com/~merc583/mopar...eframeset.html
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Old 05-02-2010, 08:59 PM   #6
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If you look at what you have and decide you want disc brakes go here

www.rustyhope.com
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Old 05-02-2010, 09:22 PM   #7
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Thanks, I read the tech tips section on that web sight already, I'm assuming its not the same process for the front. Guess I'll find out tomorrow.
I've already talked to someone about disc brakes, but I'd like to try out the drums first, what did you do on your 46?
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Old 05-02-2010, 09:31 PM   #8
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The fronts come off by removing the dust cap and the spindle nut. Like normal.
I spent a bunch of money about 10 years ago and had the system all redone with new parts. That was before I found out about the disc conversions. The old guy that did them knew what he was doing and I haven touch them with the exceptio of adding some fluid. They are adequate but I am running 205 75 radials and they probably brake alot better than the 6 70 15 bias plies. I still need to remind myself to leave extra space, as stopping from 60 takes almost 2x longer than modern discs.

charlies kits are around 200 bucks and the rest of the parts are what you can find them for at AZ or Napa or whatever, he uses GM calipers/pads and MOPAR rotors.

And you add the bearings and seals and hoses. so probably 3 to 4 hundred in parts.
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Old 05-02-2010, 09:49 PM   #9
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I originally did like plym 46 and totally rebuilt my stock drum system and it stopped good for a 48 Plymouth. But it still stopped like a 48 Plymouth. My coupe is pretty much a daily driver in and around Dallas area so I went with the disc kit plym 46 posted and am extremely happy with the upgrade. I figure right at aobut $500 complete.
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Old 05-02-2010, 10:03 PM   #10
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I have the same brake kit on my 48 as hkestes above. I figure I have about $500.00 in the completed front brake system. I previously had spent about that amount on rebuilding my old drum front brakes with new cylinders, shoes and having the drums turned. Turning the drums required new inner seals so I just replaced the inner bearings and races. Could never get them adjusted to suit me so I changed over to the disc brake kit. At first it didn't seem much better than the drums, but the pads finally bedded in and now I have good brakes.
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Old 05-02-2010, 10:38 PM   #11
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Here's an original grille on a 47 Plymouth. Looks like they removed the
stainless pieces and were working with the backing piece for the grille.

Original tail lights and center brake light.

Original dash.

Original trim on a coupe.
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Old 05-03-2010, 08:38 AM   #12
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What a great project! Looks like most of the hard fabrication work has already been done...hopefully well done. I wish mine had been as far along when I got it.



I ran a 9-inch combined with stock front brakes and stock master cylinder for a while and it was a disaster! My car would not stop and was downright dangerous. The specs for the front and rear systems are totally different - even the design is different - and they just won't work well together.

In your place I'd change to discs before I started driving the car, and change to a dual chamber disc/drum master cylinder at the same time. I'm sure some of the guys on here can point you to conversion parts that will work well together.



My coupe now has Mustang II front discs and stops tolerably well. Needs bigger rotors/calipers, though, to really stop well.

As one of the other guys has already said, if you don't fix the brakes you won't have to worry about restyling the grille.

Great project. Keep us informed.

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Old 05-03-2010, 09:42 AM   #13
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NIce project N847

I'm in the same boat with my 47. I not yet decided what direction to go with brakes. It seems to me at this poin the disc conversion is really the way to go.

Luckly your motor conversion is already done. I still have the stock lhead 6 and have yet to come up with a plan as to what i'm gonna do.

Do you plan to try to make the current body mods work or go back to stock??

either way cool project hope to see your progress.
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Old 05-03-2010, 11:53 AM   #14
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Thanks for all the suggestions. I'm planning on doing the disc upgrade maybe this fall/winter. I'll be evaluating the system over the course of this week. If it comes to replacing any hardware I'll be going to disc sooner than planned. Knowing my uncle who the car came from all the components have probably been replaced. All the front suspension bushings look to be new witch is nice.

The Mastercylinder appears to be from an 80's blazer, from what I have read it should be able to handle this car. It also has a proportioning valve on it, but it's not adjustable so I may have to put one of those on the list as well.

Thanks for all the help.
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Old 05-03-2010, 07:36 PM   #15
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Ok the drums came right off I'm no expert but I thought they looked pretty good, the shoe wear was very even, the front pad linning was .22" at the top and .25" at the bottm, the back pad linning was a very even .22" top and bottom. There was no sign of brake fluid leaking in there, all the bearings look good and well greased, the grease looked fairly new.

When the drums were on and I spun them there was just a little resistance while it was spinning. I would guess about right.

Does any one know the spec for the nominal shoe thickness.

I would asume the procedure to bleed these brakes is to start with the bottom cylinder, then the top.
If I remember correctly I should start with the wheel farthest from the master cylinder and finish with the closest.

If all the rest of the wheels look this good I'm going to bleed it out and take her for her maiden voyage. (after I re-install the brake pedal that is.
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Old 05-03-2010, 10:59 PM   #16
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NIce project N847

Luckly your motor conversion is already done. I still have the stock lhead 6 and have yet to come up with a plan as to what i'm gonna do.

Do you plan to try to make the current body mods work or go back to stock??

either way cool project hope to see your progress.
Don't be too quick in deciding to yank out the six unless it is junk. I am still running mine with some upgrades as are several others. The six will draw a lot of interest at a show.

Here is mine



There is also Blueskies (Pete), and Bloodyknuckles
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Old 05-04-2010, 04:54 AM   #17
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I'm planning on moving the body back toward stock, but not completely, I'll probably try to find some original trim, I will be going the hot rod/custom route but with an old school flavor.

Thanks for the body and trim pics.
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Old 05-04-2010, 07:39 AM   #18
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I did the conversion on my moredoor with rustyhopes kit. All in all about 500 in parts. I am starting on the rear brakes today. Good luck on the build. Gott love a 47 plymouth!!!
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Old 05-04-2010, 06:48 PM   #19
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I second rustyhope's disc kit. Well done. Besides that, you should buy his front shock mount relocation brackets and do that mod, as well. Eventually, I smell a chop and lower job for that car.................
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Here is my 41 Plymouth build thread.

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Old 05-04-2010, 07:15 PM   #20
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The rear drums look pretty good as well, tomorrow I'll pull her out and back er in to have a go at the passenger side, if all goes well I'll be bleeding by Friday.

So close to the first drive I can taste it!
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