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Old 02-17-2005, 04:01 PM   #1
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Default Howard Hughes and his 1953 Buick Roadmaster...

Just in time for the movie...

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/event...wardhughes.asp

I just finished reading a book about Hughes. Crazy fucker, but he has some cool cars back in the day. Other than the above mentioned bacteria controlled Buick, he also built a '37 chevy "Jalopy" powered by a blown Cord motor - before germs scared him too much obviously... He drove it well into the late 40s...
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Old 02-17-2005, 04:16 PM   #2
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it says that it was stored in hollywood for 20 years but I swear I've seen it at the imperial palace car museum in vegas.
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Old 02-17-2005, 04:16 PM   #3
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All I have to say is... damn that guy had some BALLS!

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Old 02-17-2005, 04:18 PM   #4
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Default Re: Howard Hughes and his 1953 Buick Roadmaster...

I always liked his '54 New Yorker, a very attractive car. Fifties sedans can be very classy - especially with a lot of the "mush" taken out of the chassis and steering.

Any pictures of that "jalopy"?
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Old 02-17-2005, 04:24 PM   #5
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That's some cool engineering with all the aircraft stuff. You read the book? Haha, I cheated and watched the movie, which was pretty good. The airplanes were all models to minimize the cheesy cgi like in Pearl Harbor.

It doesn't get anymore "hot rod" than that polished aluminum mono-wing racer he developed.
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Old 02-17-2005, 04:39 PM   #7
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Hughes was such a genius, it was and is truly amazing what he dreamed up. I am a big fan of that guy and although he went nuts about germs he still in my book was one of the greatest achievers in history. Personally the spruce goose was my favorite, the fucker flew and then he just put it away.
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WTF I heard he had a thing about germs but thats almost hilarious


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it says that it was stored in hollywood for 20 years but I swear I've seen it at the imperial palace car museum in vegas.
not to hijack the thread here, but has anyone been to the imperial palace lately? If so, was there a 61 buick lesabre convert (burgundy-ish w/ a white top)? My dad built that car and it was in the museum about a year ago, but it isnt on the website anymore, and he would love to get the car back.
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Old 02-17-2005, 04:48 PM   #9
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not to hijack the thread here, but has anyone been to the imperial palace lately? If so, was there a 61 buick lesabre convert (burgundy-ish w/ a white top)? My dad built that car and it was in the museum about a year ago, but it isnt on the website anymore, and he would love to get the car back.
I'll be there all weekend. Got a room... I'll snag some pix for you.

Hughes was a complete nutcase, but sometimes thats what it takes to change the world. Given an endless supply of cash at a young age can do that to a person...
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Old 02-17-2005, 04:51 PM   #10
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it says that it was stored in hollywood for 20 years but I swear I've seen it at the imperial palace car museum in vegas.
It is the Chrysler the I.P. has.
I did some touch up work on it when I worked for them.
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Old 02-17-2005, 04:52 PM   #11
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I saw that car in a tent at B.J. in Snottsdale. Under the hood was crazy!
24V generator just to power the purifier. Set up to run with or without the engine. Tons of fab work and aluminum bits under there, you could barely see the poor nailhead.

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Old 02-17-2005, 04:56 PM   #12
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I can just hear that race plane flying over at 300mph+... that radial pumping out a sweet tune: gggggggggggggggggggggvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhr!!!
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Old 02-17-2005, 05:01 PM   #13
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I can just hear that race plane flying over at 300mph+... that radial pumping out a sweet tune: gggggggggggggggggggggvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhr!!!
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There's a link on this post

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=32642

to where you can actually hear it.

...unless you like your version better. : )

Try this ass-well... http://www.wrightools.com/hughes/vid...%20Fly_by2.wmv

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Old 02-17-2005, 05:03 PM   #14
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I'll be there all weekend. Got a room... I'll snag some pix for you.
thats GREAT! thanks alot! I hope its still there.

heres the only pic of it that I have on this computer:
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Old 02-17-2005, 10:09 PM   #15
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I jsut love it


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oh what a world we live in!

Ryan,

what is the name of the book? I have always been interested in howard hughes, dragged the wife to see the movie on the weekend, would love to read the book.
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Old 02-17-2005, 10:17 PM   #16
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I read "The Untold Story of Howard Hughes" but there are a lot of books out there...

Most of the books deal with him being nuts and a recluse... The book I read went over some of that, but was mostly about his earlier life with women, planes, business, etc... I enjoyed it...
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Old 02-17-2005, 10:41 PM   #17
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They were showing that buick on the Today show the other morning. It's in really nice shape. Cool piece of history.
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Old 02-17-2005, 10:53 PM   #18
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There's a thin blurred line between genius and insanity it seems. I read that when Harry Miller wasn't creating absurdly fast race cars, he was talking to his spirit guides who were telling him what to build next...
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Old 02-17-2005, 11:13 PM   #19
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Old 02-17-2005, 11:28 PM   #20
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What I liked about Hughes was the fact you cant tell him "you cant do that!"

He invented flush rivits cause he needed them

He built an flew the Hercules (Spruce Goose) cause they said in couldn't be done!

Gotta love his gusto!!!!!
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Old 02-17-2005, 11:34 PM   #21
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I see that the 1954 OLDSMOBILE F-88 GM CONCEPT CAR went for a mere US$3,240,000 on Wednsday night.....if I hadda known it was so cheap....
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thanks ryan,


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Just in time for the movie...

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/event...wardhughes.asp

I just finished reading a book about Hughes. Crazy fucker, but he has some cool cars back in the day. Other than the above mentioned bacteria controlled Buick, he also built a '37 chevy "Jalopy" powered by a blown Cord motor - before germs scared him too much obviously... He drove it well into the late 40s...
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Front spring rates increased, air bags in rear coil springs to compensate for added weight.

Air bags?

When did they start using those things?

Maybe they ARE traditional?
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Just in time for the movie...

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/event...wardhughes.asp

I just finished reading a book about Hughes. Crazy fucker, but he has some cool cars back in the day. Other than the above mentioned bacteria controlled Buick, he also built a '37 chevy "Jalopy" powered by a blown Cord motor - before germs scared him too much obviously... He drove it well into the late 40s...
weather it was a plane, a bussiness, or a car, Hughes applied a different angle to it all, and hotrodded whatever came into his mind! a true american genius who never settled for the ordinary.
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think this is the one in vegas?
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I read "The Untold Story of Howard Hughes" but there are a lot of books out there...

Most of the books deal with him being nuts and a recluse... The book I read went over some of that, but was mostly about his earlier life with women, planes, business, etc... I enjoyed it...
I agree with Ryan..., I liked the early history of Hughs....!!!

I saw the movie and I was disappointed that they focus on his "POISON" instead of his "PASSION"...!!!

That car has been on tour for a couple of years now..., I have photo's of that car at the Doughnut Derelicts cruise in Huntington Beach CA..., and I have the LAST photo's of the replica of the Hughs Race Plane when I saw it at the Reno Air races!!

Shortly afterwards the plane was destroyed in a crash Killing Jim Wright...!!!

Howard Hughs had "PASSION" and an eye for design that'll live forever...!!!
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Personally the spruce goose was my favorite, the fucker flew and then he just put it away.
The Spruce Goose is at the Evergreen Museum a few miles from me. They weren't allowed to let anyone access the cockpit because if they did, the ADA (American Disabilities Act) states that they have to have a handicap ramp into it for wheelchair access. So no one gets in there. They have a little placard that says that.
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Many years ago, '87, I did get to go in the cockpit, the thing's amazing.
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I was just reading "I Caught Flies For Howard Hughes" a slim volume written by one of Hughes Attendent/Body Guards. It covers from about 1957-1962 during which time Hughes engineered TWA's financing of a new fleet of jets. Extreme high finance while naked and reeking.

I'm sure he probably would have benefited from some of the modern pharmacuticals. A genius. Obsessive-compulsive, you name it and no one was in a position to tell him what to do.

Thanks for the book recommendation Ryan, I want to learn about the real substance of the man.
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The Spruce Goose is at the Evergreen Museum a few miles from me. They weren't allowed to let anyone access the cockpit because if they did, the ADA (American Disabilities Act) states that they have to have a handicap ramp into it for wheelchair access. So no one gets in there. They have a little placard that says that.
Really? The people in 'chairs SHOULD get access to alot of places but I see no reason to penalize everyone to get to the cockpit. Is it like that at the Air Force Museum in Dayton too?
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one things for-sure he wasn't worried about jumping in with both feet.now-a-days it's not a big deal to go that fast but just think what it felt like back then.wonder if he ever thought that the plane would just burst apart in mid flight?
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we had a 49 Reo truck that had air bags. Gm had a air bag suspension in the mid late 60s and i kinda remember a 20 or 30s car that had bags. Cord maybe . I wouldn't be surprised that OG probably tried them on his second attempt at wheel building.
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Hughes was such a genius, it was and is truly amazing what he dreamed up.
True... but, anybody can dream up wonderous things. Most just don't have the funding to make those dreams into solid objects.

I think that's what set this one apart...

I've not read the book, nor seen the movie.


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I havn't been there for several years, but yes. If everyone can't go ,no one goes.
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The Spruce Goose is at the Evergreen Museum a few miles from me. They weren't allowed to let anyone access the cockpit because if they did, the ADA (American Disabilities Act) states that they have to have a handicap ramp into it for wheelchair access. So no one gets in there. They have a little placard that says that.
Apparently when the Spruce Goose was sold the buyers did not know about the warehouse full of stuff that went with it.
In the warehouse was crates of birch aircraft plywood from the forties.
Apparently Hughes was going to build a sister ship out of birch.
There was also left of spruce parts and cuttings from the constuction of the original plane.
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I read "The Untold Story of Howard Hughes" but there are a lot of books out there...

Most of the books deal with him being nuts and a recluse... The book I read went over some of that, but was mostly about his earlier life with women, planes, business, etc... I enjoyed it...
I worked at Hughes- Fullerton in the mid 60's. I asked some of the "old timers" if Howard ever visited there. They said he periodically had come to check on projects in the '50's, and he was usually driven there in green "50's Chevys. He (undoubtedly Hughs tool) had several "49-'51 sedans. He had said that they were well built cars that provided good value. It must have been before the A/C "bug" hit him.
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HA.. I bet his "Child Safety Seats" are different than yours Nads.. BUHAHAHA

Lots of "Jesus Juice" cupholders too.
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I worked at Hughes- Fullerton in the mid 60's. I asked some of the "old timers" if Howard ever visited there. They said he periodically had come to check on projects in the '50's, and he was usually driven there in green "50's Chevys. He (undoubtedly Hughs tool) had several "49-'51 sedans. He had said that they were well built cars that provided good value. It must have been before the A/C "bug" hit him.


My Late Grandfather worked as a machinist for Hughes from the late forties to ??? He died in '84 form lung cancer caused by said machining(never smoked in his life. My Grandmother said Hughes sent him to college at some big brick building off of Figeuroa{sic} in Los Angeles. That place is USC.
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we had a 49 Reo truck that had air bags. Gm had a air bag suspension in the mid late 60s and i kinda remember a 20 or 30s car that had bags. Cord maybe . I wouldn't be surprised that OG probably tried them on his second attempt at wheel building.

The ALA KART had bags! Check out some pics of it, they're pretty obvious.


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