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Old 02-25-2010, 07:00 PM   #1
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Default Ford 16x5 steel wheels...

What years did Ford make the 16x5 steel wheels for the trucks? I want to say mid to late '40's - mid '50's? F-1? F-100?... I'm looking for a nice pair for my '32 truck with the 5 on 5 1/2 bolt pattern that accept the '40's style hubcap. I had a pair on my coupe and they worked great.

*** I need a REALLY NICE, undamaged, straight, perfectly round pair of 16x5, 5 on 5 1/2 Ford steel wheels with REALLY NICE lugnut holes and REALLY NICE valve stem holes, with NO rust pitting... and will pay through the nose to get 2 REALLY NICE ones ***


...did I mention REALLY NICE?

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Old 02-25-2010, 07:18 PM   #2
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Default Re: Ford 16x5 steel wheels...

1953 Ford PU had 16 x 5's.
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Old 02-25-2010, 09:19 PM   #3
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Default Re: Ford 16x5 steel wheels...

HemiDeuce is right - they also show a 16x4.5 for the trucks from 48-53...best to be buying them with the tire off to be sure.

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Old 02-25-2010, 09:51 PM   #4
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Default Re: Ford 16x5 steel wheels...

Larry....I'm running '40-'48 Ford wheels on my '27 Roadster Pickup. They accept hub caps that fit inside the hub and are 16 x 5 x 5.5bc....Steve
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Old 02-26-2010, 09:20 AM   #5
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Default Re: Ford 16x5 steel wheels...

I remember reading on here that lincoln made a 16x5 wheel in the '40's, but they had special clips to hold the hubcaps on.
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Old 02-26-2010, 11:11 AM   #6
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Default Re: Ford 16x5 steel wheels...

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HemiDeuce is right - they also show a 16x4.5 for the trucks from 48-53...best to be buying them with the tire off to be sure.

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Old 02-26-2010, 12:02 PM   #7
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Default Re: Ford 16x5 steel wheels...

I have a pair on my coupe, but no idea what they came on, originally. Check your pm's....
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Old 02-26-2010, 12:18 PM   #8
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Default Re: Ford 16x5 steel wheels...

Lincoln 16x5's. Looked just like the '40 Ford wheels and used the same style cap mounting. I've been trying to find a good pair for my '32 for a while now.
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Old 02-26-2010, 01:35 PM   #9
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I have a pair on my coupe, but no idea what they came on, originally. Check your pm's....
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Old 02-26-2010, 01:46 PM   #10
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Default Re: Ford 16x5 steel wheels...

If you want the nubs on the inside -- essential for `40's era hubcaps -- in a 16" size, with 5 1/2" bolt pattern, then I think you need to be looking `53 and earlier. `54 - `56 had the bolt pattern, but they're gonna be 15" with the nubs on the outside.
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Old 02-26-2010, 02:23 PM   #11
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'41 merc. wheels are 16x5, but are scarce. ford pick ups didn't have outside nubs till about '65.
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Old 02-26-2010, 02:27 PM   #12
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Default Re: Ford 16x5 steel wheels...

Did you check this thread out yet? ---> http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ord+wheel+tech

Not sure if it's in there or not, don't have time to look right now.
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Old 02-26-2010, 02:28 PM   #13
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Lincoln 16x5's. Looked just like the '40 Ford wheels and used the same style cap mounting. I've been trying to find a good pair for my '32 for a while now.
I heard that the early '50s Lincoln versions had no hubcap nubs, because Lincolns were already using full wheel covers.
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thanks steve
I am running a pair of early Lincoln 16 x 5 x 5.5 on the rear of my Deuce, Larry........and they have the *inside nubs*........using '40 DeLuxe hud cats on 'em.......

Have an extra pair but they are nicer than the ones I am running........plan to use them in the future.....sorry.....

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Default Re: Ford 16x5 steel wheels...

note to self...send Guido Bros to persuade Brucie to sell...
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Default Re: Ford 16x5 steel wheels...

......Vito and Rocco stopped by while I was having some pasta and gravy for supper.......I invited them in to dine with me.......they declined......something about me not being worth the powder to blow me to hell......then they went out to my shed and *borrowed* my Lincoln wheels for *a while*..........they had bulges in their pinstriped suits......and I don't think they were new hankies........

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Old 02-26-2010, 08:23 PM   #17
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Cool Re: Ford 16x5 steel wheels...

"3windowLarry - where is it that you found this info?" my BIG Ford truck book and the old Hollanders...plus some brain threw in for not...the prewar Lincolns are correct for early caps up to 1948 Ford car - the post war Lincolns have the outside nub - 5 on 5 1/2 and the new 15" wheel and a cap that some early rodders like to use...can post pics tomatoe...

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stillrunners...thanks!
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Old 02-26-2010, 08:30 PM   #19
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......Vito and Rocco stopped by while I was having some pasta and gravy for supper.......I invited them in to dine with me.......they declined......something about me not being worth the powder to blow me to hell......then they went out to my shed and *borrowed* my Lincoln wheels for *a while*..........they had bulges in their pinstriped suits......and I don't think they were new hankies........

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Old 02-26-2010, 08:46 PM   #20
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Default Re: Ford 16x5 steel wheels...

And according to the Ford truck big book - 16x4.5 - 1948 up, 15x5.5 and 16x5 were from 1953 to 1963. This would be the wheel that takes the caps on the inside which trucks did thru 1964...

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Old 02-26-2010, 11:16 PM   #21
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Default Re: Ford 16x5 steel wheels...

just bought a set off of a 51 f1,i looked for ever,a guy from ford barn had them
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Larry, here's some pics of 46-48 Lincoln wheels and caps that have the clips and are 15...I think you were wanting the 16 wheels...so these are for reference as another rodder choice...also included is the later Merc caps that go over the outer nubs...think you ccould still find later 16 truck wheels with the outer as they were the option later on 1956 up....

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Default Re: Ford 16x5 steel wheels...

Thank you Stillrunners. I just bought some really nice 16x4.5's from a hamb'r for the front of my deuce...am still looking for really nice 16x5's for the rear...anybody?
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DRuss32/Dave, just not seeing it as listed or part # but the book does cut off at 1963. Just seems like I've seen them on service trucks and not the two piece kind. Guess that's what I need to be finding next!!!
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Not sure if I'm spelling this right, contact Acker Wheel in San Jose there now online,they closed there shop around the corner from me, bought a few of them from them. Or the Wheel Kid should have some used ones. ~S
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Not sure if I'm spelling this right, contact Acker Wheel in San Jose there now online,they closed there shop around the corner from me, bought a few of them from them. Or the Wheel Kid should have some used ones. ~S
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Old 03-05-2010, 10:28 PM   #27
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Default Re: Ford 16x5 steel wheels...

Larry for what it's worth I'm not sure it's even worth worrying about going with the 5" wide rims over the 4 1/2, I have the 5's and I don't see that much of a noticeable difference. Even on front wheels I have 3 1/2 fronts but the mainly it's the offset that is different so you end up seeing more of the brake drum then you do that much of a narrower tire. I'm happy with most of our stuff just using 4 1/2 on the rear and a 4 on the front. what size are you going for on the tires? I just tried 5.50 on the front vs a 6.00 and liked it, usually run 6.00 front and 7.00 rear.
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Larry for what it's worth I'm not sure it's even worth worrying about going with the 5" wide rims over the 4 1/2, I have the 5's and I don't see that much of a noticeable difference. Even on front wheels I have 3 1/2 fronts but the mainly it's the offset that is different so you end up seeing more of the brake drum then you do that much of a narrower tire. I'm happy with most of our stuff just using 4 1/2 on the rear and a 4 on the front. what size are you going for on the tires? I just tried 5.50 on the front vs a 6.00 and liked it, usually run 6.00 front and 7.00 rear.
Sixcarb...I'm going to run 7.50's on the back with the 16x5 wheel. I like the way it looks even though it's only a 1/2" wider...I'm anal, I know.

I just posted an ad in the Wanted section for a pair of REALLY NICE 16x5 Ford wheels...anybody got some..will pay top dollar for the good ones. Larry
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Old 03-08-2010, 12:34 PM   #29
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Ford offered 16" truck wheels with the 5 1/2" bolt pattern up into the 60s that take the 48 Ford style hub caps as an option. They are rare and hard to find but they are out there. I talked with a guy that restored his fathers early 60s 60-61? (not certain of the year) Ford P/U that his father ordered with 16" wheels. Everyone tries to tell him he has the wrong wheels and hub caps on it but he knows better. I can't guarantee that they were 5" wide but I suspect that they are. Just a continuation of the earlier 16" truck rim. If you find some old Ford trucks from the early 60s check the tire size. They could be 16"ers and take the 48 style cap.
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I had bought a set of 4 16x4.5 wheels a while ago and recently dismounted the 50 year old tires, only to find out one had a lot of rust around the valve stem. I started looking on craigslist and found a guy parting out a 41 Ford, with 16 inch wheels for sale. So I bought those, when I got home and measured them they were the 16x5. Two are good , two are not so good. Out of 8 wheels I have 4 that will work. My point to this long story is this guy said these were stock on the 41 Ford car ( unsure if it was a sedan or coupe ) .

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Default Re: Ford 16x5 steel wheels...

I just went through my pile of wheels this weekend. I came up with a pair of the 16" x 5", (3) of the 16" x 4" and a dozen or so of the 16" x 4 1/2" wheels.

Did Ford really make a 3 1/2" version, or is that just guys who don't know how to use a tape measure?
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I just went through my pile of wheels this weekend. I came up with a pair of the 16" x 5", (3) of the 16" x 4" and a dozen or so of the 16" x 4 1/2" wheels.

Did Ford really make a 3 1/2" version, or is that just guys who don't know how to use a tape measure?
The 3 1/2" wide wheel was on the '37-'40 Fords that had a V8-60 motor.
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I can confirm what 3wLarry said as I've personally seen 3 1/2" wheels that came off an un-molested '39 Standard with a V8-60. DD
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I can confirm what 3wLarry said as I've personally seen 3 1/2" wheels that came off an un-molested '39 Standard with a V8-60. DD
Wouldn't a 39 have wide 5 wheels...even with the V8-60?
I have no idea...just wondering.
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i have a pair with fresh black powder coat never mounted. i think one was nos not a stiche of rust or pits. can still read KH on the inside rim. will let them go for some flathead stuff like 49-53 vavle train. billy
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That is what I am confused on. 37-39 cars with the V8-60, wouldn't they have the wide 5 pattern. So that would mean that the only car that did have the true 3 1/2" wheel would be 40 V8-60 cars. Is that right?

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Wouldn't a 39 have wide 5 wheels...even with the V8-60?
I have no idea...just wondering.
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That is what I am confused on. 37-39 cars with the V8-60, wouldn't they have the wide 5 pattern. So that would mean that the only car that did have the true 3 1/2" wheel would be 40 V8-60 cars. Is that right?
Yes, the '39s were wide 5. Just trying to confirm that SOME of the rumors we've heard all these years about 60 HORSE stuff are, in fact, true. Until someone steps-up with actual 1940 V8 60 wheels, we can only KINDA ASSUME that maybe the '40s were also 3 1/2"ers. DD
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I remember our own Kevin Lee here telling he had a pair of the 1940 V8-60 wheels...Kevin?
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I have a short stack of 3.5" wheels. I hesitate to call any of this stuff "V8-60" because I'm not so sure these parts were used exclusively on cars with that engine.

Ford (via Kelsey Hayes) did make a 3.5" wheel in a 5 on 5.5 bolt pattern so for all intents and purposes, it is a 3.5" '40 Ford wheel. But I'm not going to guess on which models it was OEM.
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These damn 16x5's are a real pain in the ass to find. I FINALLY came across a pair, one was perfect, the other was hit so hard it wouldn't roll in a straight line, bent the actual center of the wheel. Sooooo now the quest to find just one 16x5... oh well, the hunt is part of the fun of the game.
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Maybe the rim is good and you can just use the center from another wheel.

I can tell you that swapping a wide-five 3.5" rim to a '40 center will not work – big difference in size.
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Oh the rim looks like a taco haha, it's bad
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Yes, the '39s were wide 5. Just trying to confirm that SOME of the rumors we've heard all these years about 60 HORSE stuff are, in fact, true. Until someone steps-up with actual 1940 V8 60 wheels, we can only KINDA ASSUME that maybe the '40s were also 3 1/2"ers. DD
Hey bro, I bought a '40 steelie a few weeks back at a guys house. was there for some other parts. When I got home I measured it 3 1/2 wide. On further inspection, its stamped on the inside under the valve stem 3 1/2 KH. They did make them, just very few and far between as It was a 1 year only wheel.
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I just measured some of the 5 X 5 1/2 Ford pattern 16 inch steelies that I have, thinking there were some for 5 inch wide tires, and found one measuring 16x6, with the inner nubs. What the heck would that have been from? I'll have to check in another place to see if I have its mate. I could run some real big rear tires with a pair of those!
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Old 03-10-2010, 05:47 PM   #45
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I just measured some of the 5 X 5 1/2 Ford pattern 16 inch steelies that I have, thinking there were some for 5 inch wide tires, and found one measuring 16x6, with the inner nubs. What the heck would that have been from? I'll have to check in another place to see if I have its mate. I could run some real big rear tires with a pair of those!
Is it a Ford Rim? The center could be early an Early Ford piece with a wider rim put onto it. If the rivets are still in it I have no Idea.
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I have a pair of 16x5s I left at a buddy's house before him and his old lady split up. Better call and find out where they are...
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Is it a Ford Rim? The center could be early an Early Ford piece with a wider rim put onto it. If the rivets are still in it I have no Idea.
It still has the rivets so its original, but it may not be Ford. I looked again and it has the 5 X 5 1/2 Ford pattern, but has clips for the hubcab instead of nubs. So maybe it is Lincoln or Mercury. But with the hubcap on, it would definately look to be early Ford. I think i have a couple of these in 6 inch width, if I can just find the other one.
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Old 03-11-2010, 10:18 AM   #48
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Maybe another option would to be used Ford 16" centers on a early Buick 16" outer. You will still have you nubs for a hubcap but it will not take a trim ring and the Buick outer is 6" wide.

The only pic I have right now with Ford/Buick 16" rears and 3 1/2 fronts

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Thanks for the pic of the 16x6 steelie wheel. Love that 32 tudor by the way. Is that yours?
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Why do all of the switcheroos? This outer with that inner... Just find a nice set of F1 rims like you said originally.... As far as I know they were '48-'53 rear only. They aren't too hard to come by in the midwest here... Just put your wanted ad up and someone will come up with a set. I'll ask around.
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I've got a set of 16x5's off my '60 f-100.
I ran 2 on the back for a while to get me by, didn't seem bent.
If you're interested, I can dismount the rims and spin em on my machine at work to make sure they're good. They do need to be stripped and painted though.
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yes, they were an option on '53-'60 (i believe) trucks, no cars. they're hard to find and i have one, trying to find a clean match. the outside bump were later 60's trucks and i have 7 (5 on my panel).
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They're damn hard to find over here. I got one really nice one by accident in a set of four supposedly '40 Ford wheels, and eventually found another one but that had some pitting and a bit of a wobble.

I also have a set of '65-stamped 16" x 5" KH wheels that have the external hubcap nubs, but the rims are rivetted on and by my measuring would be a straight swap onto earlier centres.

One thing about the early 16" x 5" wheels that may or may not be a problem is that the extra width is all on the inside - the outside face (frontspace?) dimensions are the same as the 16" x 4" and 16" x 4 1/2" wheels, while all the 'extra' width is added to the backspace.
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Thanks for the pic of the 16x6 steelie wheel. Love that 32 tudor by the way. Is that yours?
Yes I threw it together for the jalopy drags last october but it's now apart again getting a Flathead.
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My mistake........
I dismounted one of the wheels i have and measured it, they're 4.5", not 5". But they do accept the older style caps that snap into the inner part of the center hub.
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One of my friends has a complete set of the early style 16 x 5's that take the '40 style cap. I believe they are Lincoln if I remember correctly. They are on his roadster. I forgot he had these. They are the only set I have ever seen in person.
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Larry,

A friend of mine gave me these wheels the other day. They fit a Ford cap nicely but were just to DAMM big and narrow. I put them out to junk the other day.




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One thing about the early 16" x 5" wheels that may or may not be a problem is that the extra width is all on the inside - the outside face (frontspace?) dimensions are the same as the 16" x 4" and 16" x 4 1/2" wheels, while all the 'extra' width is added to the backspace.
Not true, at least in my stack behind the garage. I can look at the face of the wheel, and if there is a 1/4 inch of the inner hoop sitting proud of the center, it's gonna be a 5 incher. The 4 and 4.5 inchers are flush where the center meets the hoop.

Maybe it's a Kelsey Hayes versus Ford thing.
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[QUOTENot true, at least in my stack behind the garage. I can look at the face of the wheel, and if there is a 1/4 inch of the inner hoop sitting proud of the center, it's gonna be a 5 incher. The 4 and 4.5 inchers are flush where the center meets the hoop][/QUOTE]

Thank you, thank you, thank you for posting, Alchemy! The definitive method I have been waiting for to spot one of these 5" wheels with a tire on it. Any chance you could post up a photo?
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Thanks for all of this 16" wheel info guys, I too am looking for 16" wheels for my coupe and I found that a '75 F100's here downunder has 7.50 x 16 tires as standard but I'm not sure how wide the rims are and also whether the '40's style hub caps will fit them. I'm probably directing this to other Aussie hambers if they have any knowledge please.
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Ive been looking through some old Hollanders I got What does (obs) stand for ? Larry
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Thank you ! Ill bet we would be listed that way Too!Got a few boxes full back to 50s just getting time to go through some
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[QUOTENot true, at least in my stack behind the garage. I can look at the face of the wheel, and if there is a 1/4 inch of the inner hoop sitting proud of the center, it's gonna be a 5 incher. The 4 and 4.5 inchers are flush where the center meets the hoop]
Thank you, thank you, thank you for posting, Alchemy! The definitive method I have been waiting for to spot one of these 5" wheels with a tire on it. Any chance you could post up a photo?[/QUOTE]

Here is a picture of each. It's real hard to tell in the picture and in person, but there is about a 1/4" difference just like Alchemy said. The 1st pic is the 4" and the 2nd is the 5". If your cruzin the swap meets your going to have to look real close, even when you know what to look for.
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