Technical Love is.......The Feburary Banger Meet

[Gaters]

Hey fellas,

This is a picture of my roadster in 1947. I'd like your input or ideas on what's going in this photo. I'd posted this photo before but as I was looking at it closer, it has posed a few questions that some of you may be able to answer.

#1 Can anyone tell what type/model of magneto is being used?
a) Wico
b) Scintilla
What other could have been used?

#2 Why or how is there no generator?

#3 Why or how is there no starter?

Could it be they removed these items to work on the motor?
Would or could these items be removed while running a magneto?

Point out any other ideas you see in the picture, such as:
Running mechanical front brakes.
Water inlet to the radiator has been moved inside the hood.

I am just trying to learn more about my roadster with the little photo evidence I have.

Thanks for any help or ideas.

Gaters -

[Timberbeast]

Originally Posted by Gaters

Hey fellas,

This is a picture of my roadster in 1947. I'd like your input or ideas on what's going in this photo. I'd posted this photo before but as I was looking at it closer, it has posed a few questions that some of you may be able to answer.

#1 Can anyone tell what type/model of magneto is being used?
a) Wico
b) Scintilla
What other could have been used?

#2 Why or how is there no generator?

#3 Why or how is there no starter?




Could it be they removed these items to work on the motor?
Would or could these items be removed while running a magneto?

Point out any other ideas you see in the picture, such as:
Running mechanical front brakes.
Water inlet to the radiator has been moved inside the hood.

I am just trying to learn more about my roadster with the little photo evidence I have.

Thanks for any help or ideas.

Gaters -

I'm not sure what the magneto is. The car was evidently used as a racer (no lights, fenders etc). With a magneto, the battery, starter and generator are not needed. Removing them would give a reduction in weight. Crank or push was used to start the engine.

[RichFox]

For sure it's a lakes racer. You can see the lake bed in the photo. As is pointed out above with a Magneto the mag generates it's own electricty so you would not need to run a battery. Lighter weight. Also you don't need lights for a race car and in those days race cars were push started so you don't need a starter which you don't have a battery for anyway. Normal for the time and place.

[srosa707]

[QUOTE=Chris;4876652]I see the clip...OK, see the lightr rod, it's the center shaft. Then see how theres a circle around it, followed by the fork? that circle is the clip. You gotta push the fork up (twards the steering wheel) and the clip will pull out. It's horseshoe shape and fits in a grove on the light rod. It may be that you can't get it off because the rod is pushed up. Have someone hold down on the horn button when you try this...or be creative like me. I tape the horn button down to the wheel if no one is around to help
[QUOTE]

Im bout to go try it. THe problem is, the switch is already sitting about a half inch up and wont go down at all. Hopefully, I can take it out and figure out why. Thanks for the help, banger threads rule.

[Gaters]

Originally Posted by Timberbeast

I'm not sure what the magneto is. The car was evidently used as a racer (no lights, fenders etc). With a magneto, the battery, starter and generator are not needed. Removing them would give a reduction in weight. Crank or push was used to start the engine.

You're right, it was used to race El Mirage (46-49 that I can tell). This Riley set up was one of the motors that was in my roadster back then.

I assumed that is why they were missing with the use of the mag but wasn't sure. I was going under the presumption that the push start was because of the low rear end gears. The removal of the generator and stater is a new one on me. Cool!

Thanks for the info!!

[Gaters]

Originally Posted by RichFox

For sure it's a lakes racer. You can see the lake bed in the photo. As is pointed out above with a Magneto the mag generates it's own electricty so you would not need to run a battery. Lighter weight. Also you don't need lights for a race car and in those days race cars were push started so you don't need a starter which you don't have a battery for anyway. Normal for the time and place.

RF,

Any ideas on the 2-Port Riley Head. I know he made a cast head but this one looks to be aluminum. What years did they change?

The picture was taken Sept 1947. This picture was provided to me by Jim Miller (AHRF) and is posted on their site. Jim was kind enough to send me this copy. The same roadster is pictured in my avatar.

[RichFox]

have you checked with Jim Brierlery? Puts out the Hot for Hot Fours news letter. He would know. Or if Bruce Lancaster chimes in I bet he would know. Haven't heard from Bruce lately. Hope he signs on.

[Crazydaddyo]

Originally Posted by RichFox

Just because I think some may need a break from all the Ford posts and to show you something you don't see every day---Rocker assembly for a '26 Dodge Bros.

Originally Posted by Chris

Now THAT is BITCHIN!

What Chris said goes for me too.

Rich,
All your stuff is bitchin. Even if it isn't Ford.

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[windy]

Hi all , this is my first post to the bangers meet .
I have a 30 model A roadster that was converted into a buckboard ute some time in the past ( as normal here in oz ) I got rego just before xmas & took it out on the first drive on the road ( been driving around my 5 acres)at about 35mph it sounded & felt like the crank was about to fall out , on checking with a friend he said it might be the bearings , so I pulled the sump & found shims on all the caps so I went to adjust them only to find no babbit at all on the center cap .
So now I'am building a new motor , I will be fitting insert bearings to the mains & big ends & fitting full pressure oil to the mains .
My Question is it worth the trouble to drill the crank or not ?( I can do this at work ).
I also need a AA bellhousing for a gearbox swap I'am thinking of doing , if any of the OZ members have one they would like to sell please let me know?

[TV]

Originally Posted by Crazydaddyo

Here is my favorite bangers from the GNRS this week end. The race car building was bitchin.

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I think my son and I made a mistake in showing our race car. None of you picked up that it was Banger powered. We were gona leave the top hood off and probably should have. But the car looks smooth all togeather How many of you knew the Black 27 Roadster was Banger powered.--TV

[Crazydaddyo]

Originally Posted by Gaters

Hey fellas,

This is a picture of my roadster in 1947. I'd like your input or ideas on what's going in this photo. I'd posted this photo before but as I was looking at it closer, it has posed a few questions that some of you may be able to answer.

#1 Can anyone tell what type/model of magneto is being used?
a) Wico
b) Scintilla
What other could have been used?


Thanks for any help or ideas.

Gaters -

Gaters,
It is very cool that you have a car that has history at the lakes. It is even better that you have photos and you share them with us.

I think I can answer question # 1

I am 98% sure that the mag is a Wico JEM 1509.
I down loaded the picture, enlarged it, and isolated the mag.



Below are the three different mags that I know of that drop into the stock distributor hole.

The one on the top left is a Wico XV 1509. The one on the bottom is a 4 cyl. Vertex / Scintilla. The one one the top right is a Wico JEM 1509.



To me the one on your car in the picture is square and not round like the Scintilla. And it is not off set like the Wico XV. If you look close there is a tag on the mag that looks just like the tag on my JEM pictured above. To the best of my knowledge, the Wico XV mag wasn't available in the late 40's.

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[Crazydaddyo]

Originally Posted by TV

I think my son and I made a mistake in showing our race car. None of you picked up that it was Banger powered. We were gona leave the top hood off and probably should have. But the car looks smooth all togeather How many of you knew the Black 27 Roadster was Banger powered.--TV

Sorry,
I do Tom, unfortunately I was so mesmerized by the cars I did post pictures of that I ran out of battery in my camera by the time I got to your car.

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[Bad Bob]

Here's one I saw at the GNRS...

[TV]

I was just a little blown away, with the fact that nobody showed any pics of our race car in any of their posts. Everyone that showed the race car room missed our car????--TV

[Bad Bob]

Originally Posted by TV

I was just a little blown away, with the fact that nobody showed any pics of our race car in any of their posts. Everyone that showed the race car room missed our car????--TV

Which car was it? I might have a pic.
Is this it?

[TV]

The Black 27 Modified Roadster, Thanks.--TV

[Gaters]

Originally Posted by Crazydaddyo

Gaters,
It is very cool that you have a car that has history at the lakes. It is even better that you have photos and you share them with us.

I think I can answer question # 1

I am 98% sure that the mag is a Wico JEM 1509.
I down loaded the picture, enlarged it, and isolated the mag.


Below are the three different mags that I know of that drop into the stock distributor hole.

The one on the top left is a Wico XV 1509. The one on the bottom is a 4 cyl. Vertex / Scintilla. The one one the top right is a Wico JEM 1509.

To me the one on your car in the picture is square and not round like the Scintilla. And it is not off set like the Wico XV. If you look close there is a tag on the mag that looks just like the tag on my JEM pictured above. To the best of my knowledge, the Wico XV mag wasn't available in the late 40's.

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CDO,
Thanks!
Perfect! I knew someone like you would have a good idea of the make and model. The photos are a great line up to compare. As a part of my restoration of my roadster, I'd like to get around to recreating this set up.

The motor in the picture is a B motor with a Smith Cam, Evans Manifold (I still have), dual 97s, Riley 2-port, drilled for pressure. A guy in Texas had a similar set up that was beautiful. He wanted $10K for a running motor with 150 miles on it. The mag was the only piece I didn't have nay information on other than it was running a mag.

Any ideas on the head? What year?

We had the head at one time. It was cracked when Kenny and Wally Parks drove the roadster out to an El Mirage meet according to my dad. I don't know that they started out without any water in the motor but head overheated and cracked. I was dumb to have sold it years ago, even dumber not to have contacted Wally before he passed to ask him about the Gaters, Ray Pyle, my dad and my roadster.

Thanks for the info. Wanna sell the 1509? Tee hee!

[Gaters]

Originally Posted by TV

I was just a little blown away, with the fact that nobody showed any pics of our race car in any of their posts. Everyone that showed the race car room missed our car????--TV

TV,

Is this you? If it is you SUCK!! This is one of my favorites. You shoulda had the hood off to show the muscle.

Just a beautiful, beautiful roadster.

Gaters -

[Crazydaddyo]

Originally Posted by Gaters

CDO,

Any ideas on the head? What year?

Thanks for the info. Wanna sell the 1509? Tee hee!

The head is a 2 port Riley. The repops are about $2900. Originals in good shape are a little more. I don't know what years they were made. Just plain Bill probably does. I'll P.M. you on the mag.

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[srosa707]

So, i got the switch out, now I feel like an idiot cause it was pretty damn simple. I guess I was expecting the clip to be bigger? Who knows... I got the switch out and the rod looks good, but it only wants to go down so far. The bottom of the switch is hitting the top nut on the steering wheel so I guess its as far as its going to go.

Now, I have the wiring all set up correctly, but im not getting any power for my headlight wires. Headlights are all new and work, but I dont seem to be getting any power from the actual wire from the switch. Could my cutout on the generator be bad? The switch recieves power from the wire going from the cluster to the cutout, right? Im trying to get this thing done wired tonight, any help is appreciated fellas.