Vintage shots from days gone by!

[Veezy Smith]

That's my Ma,

Third from the left, bottom row.

Aussie and women's pioneer!!!!

[ehdubya]

Originally Posted by leon renaud
I don't know this for fact but I believe that hot rivets were done because of the size or mass of the rivet. Trying to properly set a rivet of that size would be near impossible.I do traditional blacksmithing and trying to set a cold rivet much bigger than 1/2 od is a real pain.I don't know that there is any difference in strength between the two.

Originally Posted by John F

I believe a hot rivet exerts more load as it cools.

I had a shop manager theorized that and did he get pissed when I suggested it might also shrink from the sides of the hole. Having seen destruction testing of a cold set 5/16 with the heads ground off in some 1/4" x 1 bars I'm inclined to think hot set with shrinkage and oxidization couldn't be as incredibly tight.

[starwalker]

1940's in Carrizo Springs, Texas

[Novadude55]

historical photos of our town, sometime between 1910-1930 approx

[starwalker]

Don't know where this is or what is being driven, but WOW!

[Novadude55]

more historical ca photos

[Olustee Bus]

Originally Posted by swi66

Self righteous dumbasses! You can see the joy on their faces. They have successfully forced their morals on the populace.

[swi66]

Originally Posted by Olustee Bus

Self righteous dumbasses! You can see the joy on their faces. They have successfully forced their morals on the populace.

Happens everyday...........

[swi66]

[swi66]

[MrModelT]

This photo was obviously taken in the 1940's or early 1950's (before 1960 on account of the 48-star flag flying from the bike)

...But the one thing that stands out to me is.......why is there a 45-star flag (and a rather big one) flying in the back ground?

The 45-star flag was issued on July 4th, 1896 after Utah was admitted to the Union, but was void after July 3rd, 1908...when Oklahoma became a state.

[jimi'shemi291]

I think late-'40s early '50s is right. But I'm thinking the explanation is probably not a complicated one. Just my theory: If the guy isn't a WWII vet, then he had family or friends who were, and he's a patriot and proud.

I'm guessing a grandparent had gotten the 45-star flag back when they were retired when Oklahoma became a state. If I were to switch places with this guy, I'd haul off and display Old Glory, even if it wasn't the correct, current version. If you were young, patriotic and a biker, what HAMBer wouldn't? From the good condition of the flag, I'd bet he hung it specifically to set up this picture, and I doubt he left it up long.

Though there have always been specific guidelines for handling and displaying the flag, I'd rather see it displayed than kept out of sight in these P.C. times. A lot of men and women died for our flag. My flag flies 24/7/365 (Something that annoys some of my neighbors around here.) But, I haven't had one complaint that it flies, rain or snow, plus overnight.

[MrModelT]

That I can see, but it still seems odd to me......If your going to display the "Ol' Glory", why would you display a voided flag that is 40+ years out of date? ...especially right after or perhaps during the WWII. I can certainly understand your point, I have a few 48-star flags that I have flown in the past...but it still feels wrong..."we don't have 48 states any more, we have 50" is my thinking.

There must be something more to this photo, like the flag has a specific meaning and he posed in front of it.....like it was the flag that was draped over grandpa's casket, who died during the Spanish-American War (1898) and his grandson is showing his wartime patriotic spirit and rebel look being photographed in front of Grandpa's flag....

This is not the first time I have seen something like this. The other was however, far more incorrect and should not have been. I have a photo of the Battleship U.S.S. Oregon (BB-3) taken in 1912 when she was here in Portland for the Rose Festival. In the photo, she is clearly flying a 48-star flag from her stern flag mount......but her U.S. Navy "Jack" (displayed only while in port or at anchor) is a 46-star flag.

Now why would a U.S. Navy vessel (especially one representing the U.S. Navy at a state festival) display an out of date national flag?

[K0HY]

Originally Posted by starwalker

Originally Posted by starwalker

Don't know where this is or what is being driven, but WOW!

This is Black Bear road outside Telluride, CO. That is a Jeep Cherokee and I think the picture was taken in the late 70's or early 80's. Fun road to drive.

[RichFox]

I would guess he is displaying the flag he has. If he had a big 48 star flag, then that's what he would put up.

[ehdubya]

Exactly, he doesn't look like a chooser ...or a star counter

[jimi'shemi291]

Thanks, MrModelT. I really appreciate the HAMB, as people (at least on this broader thread) can openly, I guess, think out loud. And, thanks to the other two posters, as well.

We're all speculating, IMO, but it's well-intended. I honestly believe that -- in certain circumstances -- the US flag might have been displayed IN HONOR of a person, ship, etc.

As regards the photo at hand, I honestly believe the biker guy didn't mean disrespect, but the opposite.

Originally Posted by MrModelT

That I can see, but it still seems odd to me......If your going to display the "Ol' Glory", why would you display a voided flag that is 40+ years out of date? ...especially right after or perhaps during the WWII. I can certainly understand your point, I have a few 48-star flags that I have flown in the past...but it still feels wrong..."we don't have 48 states any more, we have 50" is my thinking.

There must be something more to this photo, like the flag has a specific meaning and he posed in front of it.....like it was the flag that was draped over grandpa's casket, who died during the Spanish-American War (1898) and his grandson is showing his wartime patriotic spirit and rebel look being photographed in front of Grandpa's flag....

This is not the first time I have seen something like this. The other was however, far more incorrect and should not have been. I have a photo of the Battleship U.S.S. Oregon (BB-3) taken in 1912 when she was here in Portland for the Rose Festival. In the photo, she is clearly flying a 48-star flag from her stern flag mount......but her U.S. Navy "Jack" (displayed only while in port or at anchor) is a 46-star flag.

Now why would a U.S. Navy vessel (especially one representing the U.S. Navy at a state festival) display an out of date national flag?

[biscaynes]

Originally Posted by K0HY

[LEFT]


This is Black Bear road outside Telluride, CO. That is a Jeep Cherokee and I think the picture was taken in the late 70's or early 80's. Fun road to drive.

road?? i don't see no stinkin road.

[twin6]

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[John Brown]

Originally Posted by MrModelT

This photo was obviously taken in the 1940's or early 1950's (before 1960 on account of the 48-star flag flying from the bike)

...But the one thing that stands out to me is.......why is there a 45-star flag (and a rather big one) flying in the back ground?

The 45-star flag was issued on July 4th, 1896 after Utah was admitted to the Union, but was void after July 3rd, 1908...when Oklahoma became a state.

I have a 48 star flag on display hanging inside the picture window of my home. There were 48 states the day that I was born, and as far as I am concerned, there will never be more than 48 states no matter who says anything to the contrary. I plan on having a 48 star flag on display till the day I die. Any one that doesn't like it can take a flying leap. Of course if California were to fall off in the ocean..... naa, I'll still display my old obsolete 48 star flag.