Car and driver magizne... Scam and Fake

[rotten johnny]

This months car and driver has a artical about a bmw twin turbo suv that goes anywhere,hauls anything and beats anything.They show it hauling bails of straw and driving on the e-way and then beating a stright axle,fuel injected,altered wheelbase 63 chevy II on the dragstrip................Whooooooa. That is my chevy and that little red suv couldn't beat my car in its wildest dreams. Do they really have to photo crop and mis-represent the public into thinking if they buy a bmw suv,then thay too can do what their mag says. I hope someone who advertises in that book see's this and decides on why they support the down rite lies they print.
I have posted this on the car and driver message board and have no reply from them. Anyone know how to get a hold of someone at car and driver so I can present them with a little reality......and attitude.
Show and tell the truth is the best policy,lie and cheat and scam is how to sell and make money..........I hope they fold up.
John

[CTFuzz]

I like your car better anyway, Johnny.

[LowKat]

them lyin' bastards

I'll bet you perked up when you saw the picture for the first trime

[skunx1964]

thats lame!

[Koolade]

what bullshit!

[flatford39]

I would think they would have at least asked permission to use your car in their photo. Did they???

[str8axle55]

I would think that there is a legal issue here somewhere. If this didn`t actually happen, they shouldn`t be allowed to print it without stating so. I would hope at least.

[Hank37]

Yea, ask them to see the the paper you signed off on or you'll get a lawyer.

[Newbomb Turk]

Go gettem!!!

http://www.caranddriver.com/informat...ct_us-about_us

[rotten johnny]

Hell no,there was never no contact whatsoever. Buddy called a coupla days ago kinda laughing asking me when did you get your doors blown off by a suv,I thought he was kiddin me. I know this world is messed up but WHY try to decive the public? Alls I can say is the mag,editors and writers are LAIRS,CHEATERS and WANNA BE SCAMMERS.
Bring that ol bmw out,title fer title and write an artical bout that.
I'll be driven around in a little red suv.
No wonder the only time i see that mag is in the doctors office,makes me sick.

[poorboy]

they should set up the actual race and do an article in their magazine about it afterwards

[Fordguy78]

Call Car & Driver, tell them that the nova is yours and arrange for an actual race. See what they say.

[Dreddybear]

Dude. Do it. It looks like whatever post you put up over there is gone, I would on there and kindly say you are willing to race that car for pinks and see...

[Newbomb Turk]

CONTACT CAR AND DRIVER MAGAZINE:

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[Rocky]

Title for title? Great idea! ....and publicise the race heavily. Better yet, give them a chance to pay you for advertising without your consent or race title for title...either way.
Insist on payment equal to the cost of that little red shitbox if they don't wanna race.

[Newbomb Turk]

Originally Posted by Dreddybear

Dude. Do it. It looks like whatever post you put up over there is gone, I would on there and kindly say you are willing to race that car for pinks and see...

http://forums.caranddriver.com/showthread.php?t=1630117

[Russco]

Surely you ran him down on the big end LOL

[Deyomatic]

I was going to ask you what that Chevy II runs, but if you are going to make C&D put their BMW where their mouth is then I won't ask... That would be cool...

[Dreddybear]

Originally Posted by Newbomb Turk

http://forums.caranddriver.com/showthread.php?t=1630117

I see!

That chevy is quick man! I for one would love to see that race. I know we're hatin on the beemer right now but 12.8? Damn.

[rotten johnny]

How many spots that beemer need to make this happen.???
Come on all you hambers........jump on board and lets make this happen.
I'll let you drive my little red beemer when were done.

[Chaz]

Car and Driver needs to see this post...... Your Chevy rocks!

[vivalahotrod]

DId I miss this episode of "Pinks"?

[decker]

good lord... i suck at photoshop... but the intern that did this one needs to be replaced by a HAMB'er

i hope they take you up on your offer

[james1savage]

I remember Hot Rod or Car Craft did a cover shoot a few years ago where they had a car (I think a Chevelle or something) launching off the line, hanging the front wheels. They later admitted they had the front of the car up on jack stands and took the picture, and then just photo-shopped the jack stands out.

I put very little faith in what magazines put out these days.

[harrington]

Originally Posted by decker

good lord... i suck at photoshop... but the intern that did this one needs to be replaced by a HAMB'er

i hope they take you up on your offer

That was the first thing I noticed about the picture, terrible Photoshop job.

That is one bad ass Nova.

[52pickup]

What a load of crap! I want to see a REAL race!

[FIFTY2]

Surely the power of the HAMB can be used in some way, This is just Wrong!

[Dynaflash_8]

wow...just wow.

And by looking at your car in comparison to the beemer, it appears that your aiming directly for the wall!!!

Better let out and get it back in the groove!!!

[metalshapes]

I'd get in touch with BMW.

Its their public relations disaster...

They might be as motivated to correct this as you are.

[rotten johnny]

Thanks newbomb..............Called C-D....they said the editor will call me shortly..................Gonna get some justice here hopfully.
Id like to think there would be SOMETHING here but in today's world nothing would surprise me. THANKS HAMB. John

[FIFTY2]

I shot an email to Jalopnik... the more pub the better??

tips@jalopnik.com

[rotten johnny]

Any body know how to contact bmw? I got nothin better to do today.

[Truckedup]

Here's the actual article,looks like the race was the 550 HP BMW SUV racing a Hemi Anglia drag car.It's likely editorial "license " and nothing legal you can do. But do call C&D to bitch,they just might do a feature of you car!!!
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...6_m_-road_test

[squirrel]

Originally Posted by str8axle55

I would think that there is a legal issue here somewhere. If this didn`t actually happen, they shouldn`t be allowed to print it without stating so. I would hope at least.

Not really, a lot of what is printed is bullshit.....on any subject, in any medium....it's almost always legal to print bullshit.

[The Brudwich]

Car and Driver is to cars as Easy Rider Magazine is to bikes.

They're both worthless and are borderline gay porn.

[rixrex]

This is the best drama yet..can't wait to see how it turns out..without a disclaimer or notifying you beforehand,what were they thinkin?..a match race with you giving him longer and longer spots would be cool, till hes half-way down the track..Haha

[Cut55]

On the one hand, we live in a Photoshop world now. On the other hand, we live in an Internet world as well. Use the Internet, as we are here, to put fear into the SOB(s) who did this. The only thing corporations (C&D's publiusher, BMW) understand is legal liability. They are most concerned with sales and in a close second place is controlloing their exposure to lawsuits.

[rotten johnny]

Read that artical, Id like to dump the editors drink his lap myself.
The artical says one thing,but it shows my car........them guys really that sloppy at writing???
No-ones called yet...........chicken sh%@#'s

[Slim Pickens]

BMW us headquarters is in Northern NJ

BMW of North America, LLC
300 Chestnut Ridge Road
Woodcliff Lake, NJ 07677-7731

[Muttley]

I'm surprised anyone saw it in the first place, afterall, who reads Car & Driver?

[ProEnfo]

Originally Posted by rotten johnny

Read that artical, Id like to dump the editors drink his lap myself.
The artical says one thing,but it shows my car........them guys really that sloppy at writing???
No-ones called yet...........chicken sh%@#'s

....

[squirrel]

The willys pic is photoshopped, the other two look real....

[spiderdeville]

had a 3500 dollar sbc chevelle that could click off 12s
it costs more to insure that schultzmobile

[buzzard]

Dude, nice Anglia. How many hours do you have in the bodywork to make it look like a Chevy II?

Obviously, the writer isn't much of a drag racer if he was in the staging lanes the whole time with his AC on. If that part is even true.

[metalshapes]

Originally Posted by Muttley

I'm surprised anyone saw it in the first place, afterall, who reads Car & Driver?

I have some issues from the '60s.

Those were pretty good...

[Shifty Shifterton]

Originally Posted by Muttley

I'm surprised anyone saw it in the first place, afterall, who reads Car & Driver?

Hey man, we all gotta go to the doctor sometime

Sweet nova, love the stacks

[earl schieb]

Originally Posted by Muttley

I'm surprised anyone saw it in the first place, afterall, who reads Car & Driver?

I used to years ago when Chubby Cheddar or Casaba Ceasar (or whatever that guy's name is) was there..... That dude has a wicked sense of humor

[Rolleiflex]

They used the same picture of the BMW in the shot with your Nova and the one with the Willys! That's just lame.

[hotroddon]

They didn't want to use the Anglia photo cuz the little Ford is blowing the Nazi wagon off!

[Von Rigg Fink]

false advertising..wonder if all the deep pocket BMW drivers want in on the law suit too?

pretty stupid if you ask me..but from C&D..its expected..lazy fucks

what they left out of the article was the 4 car lengths they gave the Beemer

[skullhat]

my guess is the rag knows the loop hole to make it ok for them to publish that type of b/s...............i know i might be a bit pissed, but what the hell,in your a national mag

skull

[Newbomb Turk]

Originally Posted by skullhat

my guess is the rag knows the loop hole to make it ok for them to publish that type of b/s...............i know i might be a bit pissed, but what the hell,in your a national mag

skull

With no credit what so ever.

[Truckedup]

You might see it as a compliment to your type of gasser style car.If the same article showed the BMW against a Fuel Dragster,well,it would be la joke,everyone knows the drasgter is way faster in a 1/4 mile.So maybe the editor is thinking the same,he's a car guy and knows it's funny to see the SUV against a Gasser car.
Ain't no free money here,ain't no lawsuit,just got your car featured in a national magazine..............

[Newbomb Turk]

It's making the rounds. I posted it on a Mopar forum and another guy started sending to automotive blogs.

http://blog.cardomain.com/2009/10/02...ar-and-driver/

['54Caddy]

I think its funny how they need to make a twin turbo, lightweight hunk of sh*t to beat 40 year old technology and they still cant do it! They need to photoshop (and a crappy photoshop at that) to win the race! Go get them rotten johnny and in the meantime keep kickin' their ass at the track!

[thepolecat]

I say one of thr big hot rodding magazines run the same test for real with your car. a mag to mag callout.

[Strange Agent]

No bueno that they photoshopped your car in there.

That BMW is pretty cool, though.

[Oldmanolds]

C'mon who would have really believed that photo?

[rotten johnny]

Newbomb,you da man,thanks dude!!!!
I can see we all feel the same here,common sense oldschool thinking.....I'll take that over modern day technology any day.
Buncha pencil pushin wannabe geeks over there at C&D. WAKE UP & GET REAL!!!!

[RacerRick]

Call Frieburger at Carcraft!

[ftroop]

I can't wait till my cousin see's his ass being handed to him in his Willys!!

[exwestracer]

They've been doing the shit for years... I'm sure they got permission to use the photo from whoever took it. Maybe you should take the photo where the Beemer is behind, chop in a Prius instead of the Anglia, and send it to BMW USA with ransom demands...HAHA.

[rotten johnny]

Steve: AHHH-HAAA now it hits home,ehhh
I wonder how its going to feel to be the top dog at C&D when this is all over??
Rainy days,topsoil business and a computer......see what happens.
Im shudderen to think maybe a civic's gonna line up with me next outing!!
O-MY lions,tigers and beemers......O-MY

[BangShiftChad]

It sucks when the magazines do stuff like that, but it's not uncommon. They aren't trying to screw you, but they need to sell cars so they want the Beemer owner to feel like his car is fast. Since you were at a public place, during a public event, and you signed your life away to the track operator, and he let the press in, you have no right to your photo.

With that said, nobody but a Beemer owner could possibly think the photo was real, or that you didn't pass him 40 feet later.

I think the bigger issue here is that your buddy was looking at C&D! And he called to give you shit? He's got a lot of nerve.

Oh, and Freiburger is at Hot Rod and Hot Rod Deluxe now.

[rotten johnny]

Chad..........you make a lot of sense

[BangShiftChad]

Originally Posted by rotten johnny

Chad..........you make a lot of sense

Can I save this quote and have it framed? This might be a first.

[Retro Jim]

There is NO moral values left in the advertisement community when it come to misrepresentation something to get you to buy it . They are the lowlife of the business world when it come to lying just to get you to buy a damn foreign car !
Go and make them pay you dearly for the damn picture that is BULLSHIT unless they want to make it a REAL DRAG RACE !

RetroJim

[201]

That mag went down hill ever since they forced out Brock Yates out. Thats why I get Road & Track to look at cars that I'll never be able to afford and the ocational story on old Britt. sports cars. I really like reading Peter Egan's columns and articales though.

[rotten johnny]

Chad,you can as long as you get up to 5 posts,then frame away.

[econo 1966]

to heck with sending the mess to c&d heres the web add for the parent co http://www.hfmus.com/

[c-10 simplex]

1) First off, all/most car magazines stink these days.

2) i remember reading this article a few weeks ago---i think i was at my dentists office or something and i specifically remember seeing that photo knowing full well a bmw whatever could not beat an injected altered/gasser nova, but i thought it was pretty neat picture regardless.

But i fainly remember that the caption just read "the bmw x6 also races a gasser nova" or something to that effect? It didn't say that the bmw beat the nova?

a) If dragstrips are private property, then i don't feel that the mag has any right to use your picture without getting permission? i am assuming here that the picture of your car was taken at a dragstip? Regardless of who took the picture.

[captainjunk#2]

car and driver is parrot cage liner anyhow i wont even read the free copies in my dentist waiting room , its mighty boring

[rotten johnny]

Enco,thank you. Got info from website and phone call was successful (editor in chief) and now I have a promise this will be addressed and I will be getting a explanation. I will continue to pursue the truth and justice here.
You get to be the first one to drive the bmw after we win it. We can get drunk and roll it off a cliff or something...............Johnny Rotten

[rooman]

Johnny,
explain to me just where it says that you got hosed by the BMW. As noted by another poster the text records that a hemi powered Anglia beat the BMW. I would think that you would be happy that they picked your car to photoshop for the article in the biggest selling auto magazine in the world.
I love your car but you are getting bent out of shape over nothing.

Roo

[Newbomb Turk]

Sometimes it's not about legalities or money or lawsuits. Sometimes it's about principle and morals. IMO they owe Johnny an apology. They could have just as easily used the actual car they raced and photo shopped it to look like it was behind. I'm gonna guess the guy in the Anglia was asked if they could and he told them no. Again, just my opinion.

[BangShiftChad]

Originally Posted by rotten johnny

Chad,you can as long as you get up to 5 posts,then frame away.

I'm up to 6 with this one!!! I was already a member here, but not super active, and then when I tried to sign in today it was all messed up and wouldn't let me change my screen name from CarJunkieChad to BangShiftChad so I just started a new one.

WoooHoooo, I'm framing something!

[rotten johnny]

Roo, what pisses me off here is a American publication is showing a picture of what appears to be a imported vehicle beating a piece of American muscle built for the track.This Roo,in my opinion,is fraud,and de-grading to the background of these cars. Hell,its a downrite lie is what it is.
Im here in the motor city. I don't think this is helping the American auto's image,especially because it has all been fabricated. This may be hard for you to swallow but walk down the streets around here,look at what has happened.
Or what the hells another kick to the balls.............were there now

[BangShiftChad]

Originally Posted by c-10 simplex

a) If dragstrips are private property, then i don't feel that the mag has any right to use your picture without getting permission? i am assuming here that the picture of your car was taken at a dragstip? Regardless of who took the picture.

The drag strip is private property, and to enter it you must sign the waiver saying you won't sue them for anything. You are also signing that they can use you, your image, etc. if you are there using their facility. If they then allow access to the media, which they do by providing us with wrist bands and required signatures on more paperwork, the media has permission to use anything they photograph at the drag strip. Sorry, it's just how it is.

[rotten johnny]

7 Chad,your on a roll

[decker]

Originally Posted by rooman

Johnny,
explain to me just where it says that you got hosed by the BMW. As noted by another poster the text records that a hemi powered Anglia beat the BMW. I would think that you would be happy that they picked your car to photoshop for the article in the biggest selling auto magazine in the world.
I love your car but you are getting bent out of shape over nothing.

Roo

How'd you like it if it was your car being supposedly beaten by the Bimmer?

Everytime some shit for brains schmuck recognized it from C&D they'd say "Hey I reckognize that car... it got beaten by a BMW SUV... your car must be a pile!"

Well... at least that's why I'd be pissed about it...

BRING ON THE GRUDGE MATCH!

[Mike The Photo Guy]

Originally Posted by rotten johnny

Roo, what pisses me off here is a American publication is showing a picture of what appears to be a imported vehicle beating a piece of American muscle built for the track.This Roo,in my opinion,is fraud,and de-grading to the background of these cars. Hell,its a downrite lie is what it is.
Im here in the motor city. I don't think this is helping the American auto's image,especially because it has all been fabricated. This may be hard for you to swallow but walk down the streets around here,look at what has happened.
Or what the hells another kick to the balls.............were there now

I think dudes that write for magazines should be able to do whatever the hell they want. I think if you bring your girl to the track, they should get a trailer session with her. All writers should be able to commandeer race cars on site for personal evaluation. How else can we form worthwhile opinions. You need to settle down here Mr. Rotten and buy the next freelance writer you see a beer! An American beer! Have a great day Johnny. See you at the track soon bro!
Mike TPG

[rotten johnny]

See what happens when we get a rained out heads up friday......
Where you wanna meet Mike.

[Gasser 57]

I wouldn't sweat it. The only people who will be looking at it are yuppies at dinner parties who actually thing it is possible to look cool in a bmw. And of that group, most wouldn't know the performance potential of of an injected big block Chevy II gasser if it ran em' over. The reality of it is car guys don't read car & driver. (I mean REAL car guys).

[Dreddybear]

Originally Posted by Oldmanolds

C'mon who would have really believed that photo?

99% Of your average, myspace loving, teenage thongwhores. Sad but true.

[squirrel]

Originally Posted by rotten johnny

Chad..........you make a lot of sense

you've never met Chad have you?

[rotten johnny]

No.........but I wouldn't post a picture of Chad with me beatin him up either.

[Ranunculous]

Go gettem rottn johnny,
I too sent an email asking them wtf? They've lost their integrity over there?


A friend of mine,80 years old,a WWII Atlantic-theater vet who later worked for B&O Railroad tending locomotives read a book concerning the capture of a N#zi train which was transporting prisoners to a camp.
On the cover was a B&O locomotive that he said he might have tended with the american coupler and a big rototiller-symbol on the front of it.
The background scenery looked like the area right thru here where the train would've ran.
He was furious! I mean pissed!
I emailed the publisher and called them on it.A designer had used a source photo and p'shopped the war symbol onto what they thought was an acceptable choo choo.
To date,the publisher has not responded....

[BHfanGB]

I saw that pic in the mag and didn't think much of it. A casual glance gave me the impression that the shot was taken just past the Christmas Tree and I could believe at that point the BMW would be ahead of the Nova. Why? Well, the BMW is all wheel drive and probably barely squeaks a tire coming out of the hole. The Nova, on the other hand, is incinerating its rear tires in a search for traction. In my mind, I figured that once the Nova actually bit, it would be all over as all four doors of the BMW would be sailing through the air from the shock wave the Nova made going by.

Hey, let 'em photoshop these pics to their hearts content. When the boneheads that go out and buy these BMWs come out looking to play, won't they be surprised!

[rotten johnny]

Thats a picture of the nova doing a burnout..........It hooks and goes. If it was smokin like that on a launch, Id have to replace ALL the rings or take 60 pounds of boost out of it..................

[DetroitWonk]

Anyone see the Jalopnik story on this?

http://jalopnik.com/5373164/caranddr...fan+boy-writer

Ray

[49ratfink]

I think it would be cool to have my car in a magazine like that... if course my cars are all slow.

[40StudeDude]

Used to be an old saying, "A photograph doesn't lie"...not so these days...

R-

[rotten johnny]

Originally Posted by detroitwonk

anyone see the jalopnik story on this?

http://jalopnik.com/5373164/caranddr...fan+boy-writer

ray

beautiful.....................................

[Buick59]

Originally Posted by decker

good lord... i suck at photoshop... but the intern that did this one needs to be replaced by a HAMB'er

i hope they take you up on your offer

Ding, ding ding! Noticed that right away, what a phony photoshop jub!

[Buick59]

Originally Posted by BangShiftChad

It sucks when the magazines do stuff like that, but it's not uncommon. They aren't trying to screw you, but they need to sell cars so they want the Beemer owner to feel like his car is fast. Since you were at a public place, during a public event, and you signed your life away to the track operator, and he let the press in, you have no right to your photo.

Exactly!

[metalshapes]

Originally Posted by Newbomb Turk

It's making the rounds. I posted it on a Mopar forum and another guy started sending to automotive blogs.

Which could be exactly what they want...

A lot of free advertising for that soccermom mobile.

[el Scotto]

Here's the post on Moparts. It's funny, it's got a link to this thread on that thread!
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...=0#Post5520162

I don't know what kind of publicity they're getting, it sounds like everyone is trash talking Car and Driver. I think their excuse for their writer is piss-poor, too.

[BigChief]

Originally Posted by rotten johnny

Roo, what pisses me off here is a American publication is showing a picture of what appears to be a imported vehicle beating a piece of American muscle built for the track.This Roo,in my opinion,is fraud,and de-grading to the background of these cars. Hell,its a downrite lie is what it is.
Im here in the motor city. I don't think this is helping the American auto's image,especially because it has all been fabricated. This may be hard for you to swallow but walk down the streets around here,look at what has happened.
Or what the hells another kick to the balls.............were there now

Geezussss!! Lighten the F up. If you read the entire article (and comprehend it well) you'll note the sarcasm oozing throughout it. Other than the fact that that particular car is an experimental unit, they gave specs on it and took it to a local track an it clicked off 12's in the quarter the article is mostly tougue and cheek. No where in the article did they say the car beat anything other that it ran quicker than some other Porsche SUV.

The image of your car racing the BMW was **obviously** photoshopped and, no doubt, this is part of the sarcastic nature of the article. EVERYBODY knows that the X6 isn't going to blow off a real race car (like yours or the Anglia)....its part of the joke and your making yourself look like a fool for getting all wound up about nothing. It wasn't an ad for BMW and it wasn't a slam against GM this was a short article on new whiz-bang grocery getter that gets it done faster than a lesser model, big F'n deal. 40 percent of C+D readers and 70% of the BMW owners probably don't even know what your car is (or started out as) and 99% of them are certain at first glance that your car can kicks its car's ass in a drag race.

I can certainly see your sense of pride and patriotism and I've seen what imports can do to the industries here in the US - I work for a GM supplier and I come from two generations of family working in the steel mills, so I understand your anger....but its unfounded this time - nobody was defrauding anything here. Anybody with 1/2 a brain can see that the article depicted some technical results in a humorus/sarcastic way, there's nothing that detracts from your car or the American auto industry in this article anywhere. You can't tell from that pic who "won" the race, right? Besides, I'm sure you've seen plenty of old american iron loose drag races to imported cars at the digs....so THAT happens all the time, its nothing new. Fastest car to the finish line wins......best cars across the showroom floors sell. Its that simple. The US auto manufacturers are doing quite well in quality and doing better at improving sales and the chinks in the armour of the mighty untouchable Toyota/Honda/Benz's of the world (car rags always give them a preferential nod) are starting to show up. Credit for where credit is due is coming (slowly).....be patient and spend your time/energy racing your awesome Chevy II instead of ranting and raving about nothing.

Besides, DUDE! You got your car in a magazine!

[Cajun Kenny]

the beemer is an ugly fuckin abortion anyway!

[SloW8]

Originally Posted by rotten johnny

Roo, what pisses me off here is a American publication is showing a picture of what appears to be a imported vehicle beating a piece of American muscle built for the track.

Car and Driver is no longer an American company. It is owned by the French. That may help explain a lot.

Seems pretty low to use your car pic without your permission especially when it shows circumstances that cast negative light on your amazing ride.

This is my first post here. I saw a link to this forum in regards to the billet Kirkham and signed up yesterday, then I saw the link about this on Jalopnik. I am hoping to learn a lot from the folks around here.

[INVISIBLEKID]

You are emotionally distressed,you cannot work because of this,and all your other projects are falling behind because you can't function!=ATTORNEY! LET EM'HAVE IT! BTW-My $ is on the duece!

[c-10 simplex]

Originally Posted by BangShiftChad

The drag strip is private property, and to enter it you must sign the waiver saying you won't sue them for anything. You are also signing that they can use you, your image, etc. if you are there using their facility. If they then allow access to the media, which they do by providing us with wrist bands and required signatures on more paperwork, the media has permission to use anything they photograph at the drag strip. Sorry, it's just how it is.

Well, the "waiver" can say anything it wants this doesn't mean it's in it's rights and that they are absolutely 100% right in all cases. i've never seen a waiver at a drag strip(not saying the clause doesn't exist) that says they can use you/your car for publicity.

i still think the nova owner has some legal precident in this case. Unless there's more to the story......

[silent rick]

keep linking these threads to other sites and we'll have 100,000 members before the end of the month.

[Cut55]

Originally Posted by Dreddybear

teenage thongwhores

Another great band name that isn't being used.

[Cut55]

Originally Posted by earl schieb

I used to years ago when Chubby Cheddar or Casaba Ceasar (or whatever that guy's name is) was there..... That dude has a wicked sense of humor

It's pronounced "Chobba Chedda."

[PBRmeASAP]

why are there so many people posting on this thread with only 1 post????
somethin's fishy

[decker]

Eureka.... I've got it!!!!!

Make them add your car to the 2010 list with the qoute "Eat's Bimmer's for breakfast and craps automotive journalists for lunch"
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...rs-10best_cars

[Ramblur]

C&D pimping another bimmer at a Hambers expense? Hey, bring it! Look
they showed up on our side of the tracks for this BS so I'm sure nobodies
going to be too upset when they get their teeth kicked in...(figuratively)

[turdytoo]

Give them credit for getting part of their rag on the Hamb, it probably doubled their reader numbers.

[RodStRace]

A picture is worth a thousand words.
They lied.
No way you are going to get a penny, but I'd hold out for more than the retraction in #2 font just underneath the legal circulation BS they are required to put in.
Maybe ask for a year's worth of passes to every event they attend. Do your own bucket list tour on them!
Be included as a driver in the next comparison test, and roll one of the new POS they borrowed!
Require the Editor-in-Chief and the writer to submit to a photoshoot for Gay Times (not that there is anything wrong with that).

[frankenstein1948]

Originally Posted by flatford39

I would think they would have at least asked permission to use your car in their photo. Did they???

My thoughts exactly.

[Bigchuck]

Tell 'em you will race that thing for pink slips. You can sell it and build a couple of real cars!

[gwhite]

Seems to me the problem isn't the use of the likeness of his car...its the gross misrepresentation of said likeness.

As I understand it, if you or your property can be photographed without trespassing on private property (within reason), then the likeness belongs to the photographer. However, manipulating the image for publicity or just plain ol' meanness just seems wrong.

Sure, its just a car...but imagine if someone took a photo of something precious to you (maybe your wife or children) and manipulated the image for their own personal gain...would you not be pissed?

[zombiesarebad]

i agree that you won't get anything out of this besides a retraction (and that's if you're lucky), but that doesn't mean you're wrong to be upset about it. I know i would be, and my car probably would get smoked by that ugly piece of scheibe.

the point is, they are showing pictures of something that NEVER HAPPENED. I don't know what I'd call that, but it's not journalism. Makes me wonder how much of what they print is true.

[redlinetoys]

Wheh... Read this all the way to here and am all worn out!

NICE Chevy II though!!!

[willie57]

Lets tie him behind the car and drag him

[Woogeroo]

Things like this are why we have the HAMB.

Right?

-W

[F&J]

Alrighty, hurt em on Google searches !!! It shows up bigtime on a google search for: "car and driver fake"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...h&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

...but if you REALLY want attention, get the Mods to change the title of this thread to " car and driver BMW faked review "...you then would get BMW corp's attention as many people must type in "car and driver bmw review" if they are looking for buyers info tests.

Use the internet search engines to make them wish they never had a pic of your car.
This fiasco is going to cost them in lost respect and lost subscribers. No fooling

[rooman]

Lets forget all the hysteria and go back to the start. Johnny was pissed off because he felt that the story or picture did him wrong.

HOW?

There is no mention in the story of the BMW beating anything on the strip that day. The fake photo shows the BMW maybe a little ahead of the Nova off the line but nowhere in the story does it say that Johnny got hosed. In fact the story does not even mention Johnny's car, just the Anglia that they ran against (and lost to).
As mentioned in one of the other (few) rational posts the whole deal with taking the SUV to the track was that it was out of place, the proverbial "fish out of water".
If anyone takes the time to read the entire story they will find that it was very tongue in cheek as was also mentioned in another post. I have met some of the Car and Driver staff over the years and to this day the magazine still follows the mandate of its founder Davis E Davis, "fuck em if they can't take a joke."
Remember this is the same magazine that in the early days of its existence had the temerity to compare a Pontiac GTO to the legendary Ferrari GTO and later follow up with a Ferrari 2+2/ Pontiac 2+2 comparo. Those deals provoked much the same reaction as we have here but with much more basis in fact that Johnny's percieved slight.
I have been reading the magazine for 45 years now and being smart arses is their stock in trade. If the word of the paranoia on the HAMB gets back to them I will guarantee that it will keep them laughing for a long time.

Roo

[gwhite]

Originally Posted by rooman

Lets forget all the hysteria and go back to the start. Johnny was pissed off because he felt that the story or picture did him wrong.

HOW?

There is no mention in the story of the BMW beating anything on the strip that day. The fake photo shows the BMW maybe a little ahead of the Nova off the line but nowhere in the story does it say that Johnny got hosed. In fact the story does not even mention Johnny's car, just the Anglia that they ran against (and lost to).
As mentioned in one of the other (few) rational posts the whole deal with taking the SUV to the track was that it was out of place, the proverbial "fish out of water".
If anyone takes the time to read the entire story they will find that it was very tongue in cheek as was also mentioned in another post. I have met some of the Car and Driver staff over the years and to this day the magazine still follows the mandate of its founder Davis E Davis, "fuck em if they can't take a joke."
Remember this is the same magazine that in the early days of its existence had the temerity to compare a Pontiac GTO to the legendary Ferrari GTO and later follow up with a Ferrari 2+2/ Pontiac 2+2 comparo. Those deals provoked much the same reaction as we have here but with much more basis in fact that Johnny's percieved slight.
I have been reading the magazine for 45 years now and being smart arses is their stock in trade. If the word of the paranoia on the HAMB gets back to them I will guarantee that it will keep them laughing for a long time.

Roo

So it would be okay to take a photo of your wife and photoshop her in a less than complimentary fashion and publish it? As long as the magazine editors get a laugh, I guess that would be cool by you.

There are some things that are just wrong, Hoss.

[zombiesarebad]

oh so it was just a joke huh? I read the article and didn't see how it was supposed to be a joke. But if it was, give yourself a pat on the back for being the only one who got it.

[F&J]

Originally Posted by rooman

Lets forget all the hysteria and go back to the start. Johnny was pissed off because he felt that the story or picture did him wrong.

HOW?

There is no mention in the story of the BMW beating anything on the strip that day. The fake photo shows the BMW maybe a little ahead of the Nova off the line but nowhere in the story does it say that Johnny got hosed. In fact the story does not even mention Johnny's car, just the Anglia that they ran against (and lost to).
As mentioned in one of the other (few) rational posts the whole deal with taking the SUV to the track was that it was out of place, the proverbial "fish out of water".
If anyone takes the time to read the entire story they will find that it was very tongue in cheek as was also mentioned in another post. I have met some of the Car and Driver staff over the years and to this day the magazine still follows the mandate of its founder Davis E Davis, "fuck em if they can't take a joke."
Remember this is the same magazine that in the early days of its existence had the temerity to compare a Pontiac GTO to the legendary Ferrari GTO and later follow up with a Ferrari 2+2/ Pontiac 2+2 comparo. Those deals provoked much the same reaction as we have here but with much more basis in fact that Johnny's percieved slight.
I have been reading the magazine for 45 years now and being smart arses is their stock in trade. If the word of the paranoia on the HAMB gets back to them I will guarantee that it will keep them laughing for a long time.

Roo

These Jackasses won't be laughing for long when BMW steps in.

2 bit yuppie rag

[rooman]

Originally Posted by gwhite

So it would be okay to take a photo of your wife and photoshop her in a less than complimentary fashion and publish it? As long as the magazine editors get a laugh, I guess that would be cool by you.

There are some things that are just wrong, Hoss.

What is "less than complimentary" about the photo. It shows Johnny burning rubber and an SUV in the other lane. It does not indicate that Johnny got beaten by the SUV and in fact one would assume that Johnny hosed the BMW. If they had a picture of the SUV ahead of Johnny's Nova at the finish line and insinuated that it was a heads up race with Johnny on the sort end of the results I could see that he would be pissed and rightfully so. He really should be pleased that they considered his car better photogenically than the car that they actually raced against (and lost to as stated in the text). If anyone was stupid enough to assume that this was a photo of the actual run that they made with the SUV (maybe they can't tell and Anglia from a Nova) once again the test indicated that the BMW was soundly beaten.

Roo

[Mr48chev]

Originally Posted by rooman

Johnny,
explain to me just where it says that you got hosed by the BMW. As noted by another poster the text records that a hemi powered Anglia beat the BMW. I would think that you would be happy that they picked your car to photoshop for the article in the biggest selling auto magazine in the world.
I love your car but you are getting bent out of shape over nothing.

Roo

Yuppers it never mentions your car. And it says that the Angela beat him handily.

As far as lawsuits for using your car, I don't think you have a leg to stand on as the photographer owns all rights to the original photo of your car.

Think if it this way, they thought your car was a hell of a lot better looking than the Angela or the Willys and it made for a better picture in the article. Mean looking orange Nova with injector stacks as to apposed to primered Willys that doesn't pop out of the page except to us Willys fans and the Angela rather disappears in the other photos due to size and color. Plus neither made the smoke you did and that was another selling point to the editors after the not so great photoshop dude got done with it.

I'd be happy as hell they thought enough of my car to put it in the article instead of pissing and moaning about poor me they used my car without permission and my buddys think the Beemer blew my doors off because they didn't read the article.

And yes I have read Car and Driver ever since it has been Car and Driver. I'm not real narrow minded when it comes to reading about cars although I have cut down dramatically in the past couple of years. Down from 15 magazines a month to about 7.

[chevy57dude]

It's less than complementary that they ran a bullshit photo of someone's car without asking. Legal schmeagal, it just aint cool. I'd be pissed too. No I wouldn't want my car in that snooty mag, either. All the cars they get handed to them to test and they go and do this with a photoshop hack job. F them.

[LOWBLAZERO1]

it's bullshit that they photoshopped your car like this, but in my opinion you may be looking at this the wrong way. if people think your car is slow, they will have no problem putting their money where their mouth is the next time they see you at the strip, lots of money to be made here. as we all know your car would blow the doors off of that piece of crap, and look cooler while doing it.

[Tony]

Nice Chevy II and impressive times..
i could care less about what's written in Car and Driver magazine.

[my47soto]

Originally Posted by gwhite

So it would be okay to take a photo of your wife and photoshop her in a less than complimentary fashion and publish it? As long as the magazine editors get a laugh, I guess that would be cool by you.

There are some things that are just wrong, Hoss.

I totally agree, that crap was very disrespecful. I would be pissed off if someone advertised my vehicle falsely.

[rustynewyorker]

I don't understand how you can stop C&D from running a photo of your car if they want to any more than you can stop Google or Terraserver from putting a picture of your house - and your car, if it's in the driveway - on the internet for all to see.

As for the article, I figure either it's sarcasm, or C&D is trying to put the BM into BMW.


I'm more shocked it took this many pages to delve into scatalogical humor, actually.

[solo_909]

Just like the WWF that is NOT fake = )

[Lunatic]

how come when liars get confronted they always say they were joking? photoshop makes a picture of a thousand words into a thousand lies..what a shame a world without shame..is that the funny part?

[4t64rd]

Have a buddy go down to the BMW dealership for a test drive... be waiting at the track when he pulls it up to the line, have somebody video the race, slap it on YouiTube and post the link to this thread...

once it goes what the kiddies say "viral", BMW may take notice and pay you to yank it down.

[chuckbob]

This is another reason I don't read C&D. It is always BMW, Porsche, Honda, Mazda, blah blah blah..... Hey do you know the difference between a Cactus and a BMW? With the BMW the pricks are on the inside.

[Slickster51_50]

YOu know for all you who say he shouldn"t be pissed think about it like alot of the others have said! I don't care if it wasn't a real photo or not but you get a bunch of young kids in a high school library and they see this picture and to the untrained eye they see this piece of shit getting out front of Johnny think of all the shit they are gonna talk about american iron and how they should buy foreign bullshit! It's happeneing everyday with movies like The Fast and The Furious! A bunch of no nothing teenie boppers believe this shit so think about it how would you feel if it was your car in the picture!Rotten Johnny you do what you have to do to make this right by you there are more here on your side than not! Add me to the list of standing behind you! I would be super pissed!!!!

[Midnight 50]

Ok beyond the drama queen crap in this thread there are two truths and the only two that really matter IMO......

~ Whoever took the picture owns the rights to the picture to do ANYTHING they wish. The only time there is a privacy clause is if it it an individual, not their property. PERIOD. Whoever owns that camera and snapped that shot owns the media no matter what is in it. C&D need not contact you for anything, you have no part in it. You neither took the pic nor work at C&D. You don't have to sign a paper to take a picture at any track, but you may have to sign a paper NOT to take a picture for exclusive events.

~ BMW is knocking out SUV's that can stick 12's on the track and selling them to 5 ft tall 100 lb women with two kids in the back seat. Nobody (especially hot rodders) particularly likes the fact a soccer mom SUV can outrun exotics we at least gave a nod to in the 80's (Diablo, Countach, etc), but if the Germans keep it up you might be sitting beside one of these at the drag strip and cursing the whole way down the track. Sorry if it offends the OP to see this in a photoshop, but it's happening, it's going to be a real picture next time..... Das Germans are building some haws-powa.

[Buick59]

Originally Posted by c-10 simplex

Well, the "waiver" can say anything it wants this doesn't mean it's in it's rights and that they are absolutely 100% right in all cases. i've never seen a waiver at a drag strip(not saying the clause doesn't exist) that says they can use you/your car for publicity.

i still think the nova owner has some legal precident in this case. Unless there's more to the story......

Just because you've never seen a waiver or even read one does not mean they dont exist. There's a lot of things in this world I've never seen, does not make them any less valid.

All you guys that are screaming law suit and all that stupid nonsense need to be grounded in reality. The people that want to sue for any reason are whats wrong with this country! If your out in public, your fair game! What about all the celebrities that get photographed picking their nose at Burger King or any other place.

[49ratfink]

this thread is funny. it was a photo of your car in a world wide publication. that sounds good to me. you built a drag car to run 10's... big fucking deal. the USA is littered with cars that will do the same thing

what I take away from all this is that Porsche has built an SUV that will run a 12.8 bone stock. the baddest of the bad ass muscle cars couldn't pull that one off without slicks at the very least.

challenging Porsche to a quarter mile contest with thier SUV for pinks??? where you going to hide when they counterchallenge you to a 2000 mile trip cross country through some windy mountan roads and a bit of time on the L.A. freeway?

that's not to say that what you have done with your car isn't cool to the extreme. but i think you are over reacting.

[jangleguy]

Originally Posted by Mike The Photo Guy

I think dudes that write for magazines should be able to do whatever the hell they want. I think if you bring your girl to the track, they should get a trailer session with her. All writers should be able to commandeer race cars on site for personal evaluation. How else can we form worthwhile opinions. You need to settle down here Mr. Rotten and buy the next freelance writer you see a beer! An American beer! Have a great day Johnny. See you at the track soon bro!
Mike TPG

Mike, you've crystalized my thoughts eloquently...
Also, after looking at six pages of this thread, that BMW's really growing on me. Sure it's ugly and expensive, but jeez, it beats real race cars at the track (even if they are old obsolete ones)! Think I'm gonna test drive one tomorrow.

[rob-redm]

Originally Posted by BigChief

Geezussss!! Lighten the F up. If you read the entire article (and comprehend it well) you'll note the sarcasm oozing throughout it. Other than the fact that that particular car is an experimental unit, they gave specs on it and took it to a local track an it clicked off 12's in the quarter the article is mostly tougue and cheek. No where in the article did they say the car beat anything other that it ran quicker than some other Porsche SUV.

The image of your car racing the BMW was **obviously** photoshopped and, no doubt, this is part of the sarcastic nature of the article. EVERYBODY knows that the X6 isn't going to blow off a real race car (like yours or the Anglia)....its part of the joke and your making yourself look like a fool for getting all wound up about nothing. It wasn't an ad for BMW and it wasn't a slam against GM this was a short article on new whiz-bang grocery getter that gets it done faster than a lesser model, big F'n deal. 40 percent of C+D readers and 70% of the BMW owners probably don't even know what your car is (or started out as) and 99% of them are certain at first glance that your car can kicks its car's ass in a drag race.

I can certainly see your sense of pride and patriotism and I've seen what imports can do to the industries here in the US - I work for a GM supplier and I come from two generations of family working in the steel mills, so I understand your anger....but its unfounded this time - nobody was defrauding anything here. Anybody with 1/2 a brain can see that the article depicted some technical results in a humorus/sarcastic way, there's nothing that detracts from your car or the American auto industry in this article anywhere. You can't tell from that pic who "won" the race, right? Besides, I'm sure you've seen plenty of old american iron loose drag races to imported cars at the digs....so THAT happens all the time, its nothing new. Fastest car to the finish line wins......best cars across the showroom floors sell. Its that simple. The US auto manufacturers are doing quite well in quality and doing better at improving sales and the chinks in the armour of the mighty untouchable Toyota/Honda/Benz's of the world (car rags always give them a preferential nod) are starting to show up. Credit for where credit is due is coming (slowly).....be patient and spend your time/energy racing your awesome Chevy II instead of ranting and raving about nothing.

Besides, DUDE! You got your car in a magazine!

well said !!!!

[rob-redm]

Originally Posted by flh4speed

the beemer is an ugly fuckin abortion anyway!

you know alot ! oh did I type that ?

[shmoozo]

Originally Posted by Bigchuck

Tell 'em you will race that thing for pink slips. You can sell it and build a couple of real cars!

Guys, I have seen several of you mention this idea.

I realize it has a certain appeal, but you're forgetting that the magazine doesn't actually own the car. They were loaned the car for the tests so they could write an article about it.

[TomP64]

Geez it isn't like The Advocate (Google it) put a picture of you tying your shoe on the cover or something. I'd be flattered, but to each (and his legal team) his own.

I'd be wary of challenging the Bimmer to a pink slip match race, they might decide to do it in the rain or snow. Instead of driving a shiny new SUV you might be taking the bus.

[LuckyLuke]

Roo just hit the nail on the head....

[chopt55bc]

aside from who has the rights to the picture, i can see why Johnny would be pissed! i have not read the article, and wouldn't bother buyin such a snooty pos magazine anyway. BUT, i think he should go after the magazine for something. how bout something like "defamation of character"??? photo chopped or not, it still gives the impression that the nove got beat. Johnny and the nova have been nationaly disrespected! dont forget guys, in this country, you can sue a franchise for spillin hot coffeee on yourself! AND WIN!!! no matter what the out come of this, that nova looks like one bad mo fo!!!

[HotRod60F100]

Originally Posted by rotten johnny

This months car and driver has a artical about a bmw twin turbo suv that goes anywhere,hauls anything and beats anything.They show it hauling bails of straw and driving on the e-way and then beating a stright axle,fuel injected,altered wheelbase 63 chevy II on the dragstrip................Whooooooa. That is my chevy and that little red suv couldn't beat my car in its wildest dreams. Do they really have to photo crop and mis-represent the public into thinking if they buy a bmw suv,then thay too can do what their mag says. I hope someone who advertises in that book see's this and decides on why they support the down rite lies they print.
I have posted this on the car and driver message board and have no reply from them. Anyone know how to get a hold of someone at car and driver so I can present them with a little reality......and attitude.
Show and tell the truth is the best policy,lie and cheat and scam is how to sell and make money..........I hope they fold up.
John

I KNEW that article was bullshit! My friend who nuts over anything with 14 hairdryers i.e "turdblows" and acst like thier gods gift to the automobile world was like it said it beat that gasser.I was like no fuckin way,that Nova is a straight axled RIP SNORT MURDER MACHIIINE! aint nooo damn way that yuppy scumobile beat that Nova Gasser. Glad The TRUTH is out now!

[noboD]

Rotten Johnnie, I think you should sell me the Chevy II for say $100. THEN sue them for being distraught over the fake pic. That would show 'em! The article about the GTOs back in '64 was NOT written as a joke, it was a giant fake. They faked all the comparisons to favor the American iron. Hot Rod did the same lieing and faking when they tested the red '67 Camaro SS, the one Vic Edelbrock owns. They admitted it all in their 50th anniversary mag.

[bbc 1957 gasser]

i belive everything i read .hahahha

[L.A-Bar]

All magazine editors have a duty...not to their readers, not in any way, but to SELL ADS. This is acalled reality !

[Al K]

Mods;if I'm off base here,zap me as needed,but please let me know why...


RJ,I met you and saw your ride at Milan last weekend, and what they did was extremely unethical. Challenge their asses and since they're the ones playing the games,get them to pay for the track time. Better yet,tell 'em to get their butts to a "No E.T." night at Milan for a little grudge racing action,and bring their BMW.

I do know this: "Hair dryer" equipped rides can make SERIOUS horsepower,so the potential is there for that Beemer to be scary fast. Faster than the Nova? Possibly,possibly not. Back when I worked at B-O-C Engineering,Turbo V-6's were something I occasionally worked on,and those "blowers",along with EFI made that little Buick a serious contender.

[Diana The Doc]

Automotive magazines are having a very hard time in this fledging economy we're currently experiencing... Advertising revenues have hit rock bottom-- The money is seriously drying up for these magazines... The recession has put the car 'zines in a near fatal financial funk-- Does all this financial doom 'n' gloom justify faulty reporting and journalism from these same magazines?-- You can have your own conclusion to that extremely sensitive question... Believe it or not, many of the popular car magazines don't even pay their writers and photographers anymore-- The car magazines now expect a majority of their content to come to them for FREE these days (I kid you not!), times are definitely a changin' in the automotive magazine business... And yes, just like the rest of the media, car magazines now find themselves often relying on "sensationalism" and "slight stretching of the truth" in order to keep their already dwindling readership captivated... It's a rough 'n' tough business, I suggest cutting these 'zines a little bit of slack-- The car 'zines are desperately trying to stay afloat in this current unforgiving economy... "The Doc" (Celebrity Drag Racing Authority & Visionary)...

[aerorocket]

I'm with you Johnny, if it was my car being beat by a photo chopped suv I would be pissed to.

[rooman]

Originally Posted by chopt55bc

aside from who has the rights to the picture, i can see why Johnny would be pissed! i have not read the article, and wouldn't bother buyin such a snooty pos magazine anyway. BUT, i think he should go after the magazine for something. how bout something like "defamation of character"??? photo chopped or not, it still gives the impression that the nove got beat. Johnny and the nova have been nationaly disrespected! dont forget guys, in this country, you can sue a franchise for spillin hot coffeee on yourself! AND WIN!!! no matter what the out come of this, that nova looks like one bad mo fo!!!

Key words here--" i have not read the article". If you have not read the story in question how are you qualified to make any statement regarding Johnny being "nationaly (sic) disrespected" by the C & D guys. One of the reasons that this country is getting fucked up is attitudes like yours. Some of you sound like a bunch of little kids---"Ma he touched me".
The only connection to Johnny in the story was that they photoshopped his car into the picture for dramatic effect. It is a killer looking car and the photo editor obviously felt that it was visually more effective than the car that they actually ran against (and got beaten by as stated in the text which you did not bother to read). The positioning of the cars in the photo was obviously not intended to put down Johnny or his car as he never got a mention in the story.
If the text had said that they raced Johnny and beat him he may have a case for defamation but all they did was use a picture of his car in the magazine. End of story.
I have seen less than half a dozen rational posts in this thread and a lot of ranting about lawsuits and giving either the magazine or BMW a hard time in some form or other. If I understand correctly the magazine has already apologized for the photo and that is a far as it should go or a bunch of HAMBers are going to look like idiots to the corporate world.

Roo

[Tenacious A]

Yawn....

[Belchfire8]

I see you're in Michigan, the headquarters for Car and Driver is in Ann Arbor. How about you cruise the Nova over there and ask them if they want to try it for real????

[chopt55bc]

Originally Posted by rooman

Key words here--" i have not read the article". If you have not read the story in question how are you qualified to make any statement regarding Johnny being "nationaly (sic) disrespected" by the C & D guys. One of the reasons that this country is getting fucked up is attitudes like yours. Some of you sound like a bunch of little kids---"Ma he touched me".
The only connection to Johnny in the story was that they photoshopped his car into the picture for dramatic effect. It is a killer looking car and the photo editor obviously felt that it was visually more effective than the car that they actually ran against (and got beaten by as stated in the text which you did not bother to read). The positioning of the cars in the photo was obviously not intended to put down Johnny or his car as he never got a mention in the story.
If the text had said that they raced Johnny and beat him he may have a case for defamation but all they did was use a picture of his car in the magazine. End of story.
I have seen less than half a dozen rational posts in this thread and a lot of ranting about lawsuits and giving either the magazine or BMW a hard time in some form or other. If I understand correctly the magazine has already apologized for the photo and that is a far as it should go or a bunch of HAMBers are going to look like idiots to the corporate world.

Roo

touchy touchy! what, do you work for C&D??? my response was indirectly pointing out how sue happy and fucked up this country is!!! maybe i should have been a little more clear for the guys who have no sense of humor!

[rotten johnny]

Look Roo, it takes time to read a artical.Many people (believe it or not) look at the PICTURES in a artical and do not read it,or All of it. What the C-D people illustrated is CLEAR.It is also FAKE. I am over this and hopefully you will be reading a full length artical with pictures in car and driver,(guess who).
I am with the majority here and you are one of the few who see's different.We are all entitled to our personal opinions. READ the title to this thread. Thats my opinion and I stand with 95% of the people here........
I hope you get a lifetime subscription to car and driver.............you look good together. Johnny Rotten

[scrpn5tnr]

This would make a great pinks episode.Call Pinks and get them involved.

[rotten johnny]

Their scared shitless of my chevy II.

[plym49]

Originally Posted by rotten johnny

Their scared shitless of my chevy II.

So what did the editor in chief have to say? What is the expected outcome?

(BTW, I saw the article and the photo, and without even reading the article I knew that the photo was only for dramatic effect.)

But if they ran a photo of your car you deserved a mention.

[rotten johnny]

I was told by the editor that that was a joke,"don't you get it"
I cant say too much now but on monday,there will be plenty to say.
There are a few more people to talk to, I will keep this board posted.
Its a shame............................................. .......

[fab32]

AAHHHH!!! Once again the HAMB (actually the members that have wasted their time posting) has managed to waste 15 minutes of my time that I'll never get back. It's all good as I wasn't doing anything important. The main thing is that once again the HAMB has generated more hot air than than a whole flight of balloons would use on a cross country race. Lets see if I have this right

1. C&D printed a picture that is a fake.
2. The legit owner of one of the cars in the photo is pissed.
3. A lot of finger pointing and bloviating has taken place.
4. The pissed owner can initiate a lawsuit if he can afford the council to
represent him.
5. NO one but an "ambulance chaser" lawyer would touch the case.
6. Pissed owner now has the ball in his court.
7. Ryan gets to pay for this bull shit.
8. Film at 11:00
9. What did I miss?

Frank

[rotten johnny]

Frank, lay down your pipe and take some fresh breaths of air
No body forced you nor asked you to waste 15 minutes of your time, you did that voluntarily. Now relax and spend a few hours going thru the threads here and click on the threads you like.
AAAHHHHHHHH, thats better now isn't it. Have a nice day.

[plym49]

Originally Posted by fab32

AAHHHH!!! Once again the HAMB (actually the members that have wasted their time posting) has managed to waste 15 minutes of my time that I'll never get back. It's all good as I wasn't doing anything important. The main thing is that once again the HAMB has generated more hot air than than a whole flight of balloons would use on a cross country race. Lets see if I have this right

1. C&D printed a picture that is a fake.
2. The legit owner of one of the cars in the photo is pissed.
3. A lot of finger pointing and bloviating has taken place.
4. The pissed owner can initiate a lawsuit if he can afford the council to
represent him.
5. NO one but an "ambulance chaser" lawyer would touch the case.
6. Pissed owner now has the ball in his court.
7. Ryan gets to pay for this bull shit.
8. Film at 11:00
9. What did I miss?

Frank

What did you miss? Why, 10 pm Central time, of course.

Seriously, no one is forcing anyone to spend their time on this. Regardless of the legal situation (I agree with you that there is probably nil in terms of wrongful actions or damages) it is a PR issue, and nothing wrong with having a chance to compare notes and vent.

[Pro Stock John]

If I was the owner of the Nova/Chevy II I'd want an apology in the next issue of C&D. It's one thing to photoshop interesting pics, it's another to put it in a national magazine where 95% of the readers assume that they are seeing a Bimmer beat a wild looking race car.

[totosthename123]

dude here is a link to actual artical on the c&d website u can comment there, then maybe one of the people who run the site will see it http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...6_m_-road_test

[...doc...]

I read that shitty article while waiting at the doctors office,..talk about fiction.
I am throwing the bullshit flag on that BMW

[gnichols]

Call up BMW and ask for the most expensive car they make for free... or else. Gary

[hotrod40coupe]

Any idiot that would actually think the BMW would beat the ChevyII in a legitimate race needs to go back to their village. This kind of shit happens all the time, just look around the checkout stand at the supermarket. National Inquirer, Star and all the other rags have made a fortune on lies.

[rustynewyorker]

I say photoshop the article so it looks like it was published in the Weekly World News, you know the one that used to have articles like Hillary Clinton Meets With Aliens, and all sorts of monsters, psychics, ghosts and crap like that.

[agtw31]

Originally Posted by fab32

AAHHHH!!! Once again the HAMB (actually the members that have wasted their time posting) has managed to waste 15 minutes of my time that I'll never get back. It's all good as I wasn't doing anything important. The main thing is that once again the HAMB has generated more hot air than than a whole flight of balloons would use on a cross country race. Lets see if I have this right

1. C&D printed a picture that is a fake.
2. The legit owner of one of the cars in the photo is pissed.
3. A lot of finger pointing and bloviating has taken place.
4. The pissed owner can initiate a lawsuit if he can afford the council to
represent him.
5. NO one but an "ambulance chaser" lawyer would touch the case.
6. Pissed owner now has the ball in his court.
7. Ryan gets to pay for this bull shit.
8. Film at 11:00
9. What did I miss?

Frank

priceless!!!

[BigChief]

Originally Posted by aerorocket

I'm with you Johnny, if it was my car being beat by a photo chopped suv I would be pissed to.

Yeah....MY paper car can beat your paper car any day. Get yout scissors out....Ready! One, TWO! THREE!! GO!!!

[BigChief]

Originally Posted by Pro Stock John

If I was the owner of the Nova/Chevy II I'd want an apology in the next issue of C&D. It's one thing to photoshop interesting pics, it's another to put it in a national magazine where 95% of the readers assume that they are seeing a Bimmer beat a wild looking race car.

95 percent of the C+D readers have sufficient reading comprehension skills and properly developed reasoning skills to determine that the image and the manner in which the article is written is sarcastic and maybe a bit humorous. Unfortunately the some folks here are struggling with that.

[BigChief]

Originally Posted by rotten johnny

I was told by the editor that that was a joke,"don't you get it"
I cant say too much now but on monday,there will be plenty to say.
There are a few more people to talk to, I will keep this board posted.
Its a shame............................................. .......

Your embarrassing yourself. Please stop this nonsense and spend your time running your very cool Nova.

[38plymouth]

Did you inform your parents about this?

[Fuel to burn]

Originally Posted by BangShiftChad

Can I save this quote and have it framed? This might be a first.

Speaking of car mags, I swear Chad's wagon was in HR a couple of years ago.

As far as Car and Driver, I bet they just wanted to have a good looking photo from the track and they chose well. The Nova is sweet.

[THE_DUDE]

Car and Driver? Who the hell reads that ?

[THE_DUDE]

Originally Posted by rotten johnny

I was told by the editor that that was a joke,"don't you get it"
I cant say too much now but on monday,there will be plenty to say.
There are a few more people to talk to, I will keep this board posted.
Its a shame............................................. .......

Stick it to um.

[Diavolo]

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...6_m_-road_test

My comment on the article is pending approval... Wanna bet on it getting approved?

"This article is getting severely flamed by the folks at the HAMB, particularly the owner of the gasser Chevy II you have photoshopped into the picture.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=404058

A quick look at the passenger front window of your suv clearly shows white, not the orange car next to it. I say put up or shut up. Show a real race, print the numbers. It's shameful that you would
1. Use the owners car without asking,
2. Show badly photoshopped pics and represent them as truth.
On page 3 of the thread above, there is a pic the original BMW car was taken from, being beat by an Anglia. The white in the passenger window is the wall.

BTW, according to the owner: "The chevy II goes 9,90s at 135 mph" thru the quarter. This is according to his own post on the car and driver forum. I think you should race for pink slips and print THAT!

For shame, Car and Driver..."

[buffalo bill]

Comeon can't any of you read the article.
It says the drag race was with a Ford Anglia w/500ci hemi.
Bill.

[southpark]

seriously though rotten johnny how many screen names do you have, because ive never seen so many 1 post newbies respond on a single thread ever.

[porknbeaner]

Originally Posted by rotten johnny

This months car and driver has a artical about a bmw twin turbo suv that goes anywhere,hauls anything and beats anything.They show it hauling bails of straw and driving on the e-way and then beating a stright axle,fuel injected,altered wheelbase 63 chevy II on the dragstrip................Whooooooa. That is my chevy and that little red suv couldn't beat my car in its wildest dreams. Do they really have to photo crop and mis-represent the public into thinking if they buy a bmw suv,then thay too can do what their mag says. I hope someone who advertises in that book see's this and decides on why they support the down rite lies they print.
I have posted this on the car and driver message board and have no reply from them. Anyone know how to get a hold of someone at car and driver so I can present them with a little reality......and attitude.
Show and tell the truth is the best policy,lie and cheat and scam is how to sell and make money..........I hope they fold up.
John

Sorry that you have to come to the reality of car mags. They are making money that's what they do.

There are some that play the game straight up and the rest will make it any way they can.

[rotten johnny]

South park, I wish I was talented enough to make up screen names and post them. I have a hell of a time just posting pictures,honest.
It is very weird that there so many 1st time posters here on this thread,perhaps they could explane why they are compelled to post. I also would like to know.
Buffalo Bill,understood, BUT look at what they show. Is this rite?

[plodge55aqua]

Originally Posted by FIFTY2

I shot an email to Jalopnik... the more pub the better??

tips@jalopnik.com

The Jalopnik works well.. I got one in there.. .. I dont think it will get removed any time soon either..

The sad part is.. this day and age they have to enhance there items to give false info.. kinda like a chevy to chevy thread . some people will believe anything by a picture.. I hope you get your message accross to them..

[Lunatic]

I like they way it appears the guy in the bmw has no helmet and the moonroof open..that's some funny shit

[Cris]

Wow, never realized there would be this many fans of political correctness here on the board. Sue them? I guess that's the American way now...

[rotten johnny]

Were not suing.....just want the truth Is that un-american Cris?

[Cris]

Johnny, the comment was meant for all the others suggesting that as a way of righting whatever wrong has been done.

Had this happened, back in the day one of two things would have occurred as a response:
-The fakery would have been ignored...the person wronged would have simply taken a higher road than the people who slighted them.
-The two parties would have settled it on the strip.

I thought this was a traditional forum, yet people are suggesting very current (and lame) ways of dealing with such a minor thing. When I first read about this on Jalopnik I was actually pretty mad about it, but now that I've thought about it and read the article, and put it in a more-historical perspective I see little downside for you as a result of what they did.

You have the balls and the skill to climb into a straight-axle car that can run those kind of numbers, but your feelings (and, it would seem, the collective feelings of many on the board) are hurt by the actions of a magazine whose golden days (and influence) are long behind them.

If anything, you stand to gain from people thinking a two and a half ton SUV can beat your car. You'll be able to take plenty of people who think their lesser cars can beat yours in a race, at least in the short term. It doesn't take much imagination to figure out how to make the most of that situation, should it present itself.

Cris

[publicenemy1925]

They usually have a little box, hidden in plain view at the bottom of a page, that says "corrections". You may be able to get in that box, maybe.

[totosthename123]

the reason that i started posting is because i am a car guy who frequently checks cardomain.com. yesterday when i was looking at the cardomain blog i saw an article about how pissed off u were....so i decided to do a little research on the article, and the blog had a link to this and the "c&d forum" u posted on and so i try to help u out.

[Pipes]

I checked it out, and personally I would be pissed they used my car....You always hear of this car or that car got the car and driver award, blah blah..and then they go and show a bunch of pics of the car on a track while bragging how the bmw has 555hp..doesnt matter if they mention the nova or just the anglia in the article or not,,they misrepresentedthier own article.. and hell you know how many people havent a clue about how a pic could be photochopped? my uncle barely knows how to turn on the computer let alone know that you can change pictures. yet he was like wow how the hell that suv beat that car.. Hell I feel sorry for the Nova to.. I mean it might get a complex.. thats deflamation of the cars charactor to be seen running agaisnt a suv,a bmw.and the fact its behind! I wouldnt be surprised if it ran a full second slower for awhile after such embaressment.
Actually I think its bullshit, on car and drivers part.. they published it.. lead people to beleive that this suv raced all these cars and held its own with most of em.. and who benifits from this..well one car and driver for putting out b.s that will make people look..and bmw for showing how badass thier car is.. personally I would be a dick..and call the local news, they like bullshit like this where they can kick someone thats big. I'm sure the most you might get out of C&D is a free subscrition or something, but with the Hamb and the other sites stating this, along with say the news, C&D will be alittle more carefull about this crap, specially if it ends up hurting bmws image some being connected with thier mag..
anyway thats my two cents..

[Racewriter]

I think the proper course of action is to split the difference between the "sue 'em" and the "race 'em for pinks" methods. Get your lawyer to write them a letter indicating your right to sue - but that you will gladly waive it to race the Beemer POS for pinks.

[Cajun Kenny]

what a fuckin soap opera!!

[publicenemy1925]

Originally Posted by flh4speed

what a fuckin soap opera!!

I love a good soap opera! As the world turns or How Car & Driver fucked me! Both I find riviting!

[kiwipackard]

john phillips is an ass!

[Mazooma1]

Originally Posted by kiwipackard

john phillips is an ass!

isn't that the guy from the "Mamas and the Papas"...?

[rustynewyorker]

The guy who was porkin' his own daughter?


Thats about the level this thread's devolved to, actually.

[30dodge]

I think they took your car with out your knowledge, they have the photo to prove it. Press charges

[Mazooma1]

Originally Posted by rustynewyorker

The guy who was porkin' his own daughter?

Yeah...that guy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lets get him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh, he's dead.....lets get him anyways!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mr48chev]

Originally Posted by rotten johnny

Look Roo, it takes time to read a artical.Many people (believe it or not) look at the PICTURES in a artical and do not read it,or All of it. What the C-D people illustrated is CLEAR.It is also FAKE. I am over this and hopefully you will be reading a full length artical with pictures in car and driver,(guess who).
I am with the majority here and you are one of the few who see's different.We are all entitled to our personal opinions. READ the title to this thread. Thats my opinion and I stand with 95% of the people here........
I hope you get a lifetime subscription to car and driver.............you look good together. Johnny Rotten

I've read the article an no where was the Nova mentioned. I have read all of the posts previous to this one and it appears that you are more pissed because your buddy might have thought you got beat by the Porsche than actually having the photo in the magazine.

Are you one of these guys who asks how much the magazine is going to pay if they approach you to do a feature on the car?

I'll say it once more, the car was photoshopped into the picture because it looks better and made a hell of a lot more interesting photo then the photos of the other cars.

Also the photographer owns all rights to any photo he takes so I guess the next time you go to the strip you had better have the announcer in the tower make an announcement each time you make a pass that no photos will be allowed of your car when it runs down the strip.

I'll keep any other comments to my self but I have to say that if the absolute worse thing that ever happens to you and the Nova is that it gets photoshopped in a magazine because it looked better than the other cars they took photos of you can consider yourself damned lucky.

[edwardlloyd]

Its a 4000lbs plus SUV which runs a 12 sec 1/4 whilst complying to the latest emissions. Give it a bit of credit. And if anyone has seen one, they won't call it small. Its big ugly, fast and very expensive and hardly anyone will buy it.

[rails32]

get a good lawyer and sue the yuppie bastards

[Mazooma1]

OK...enough is enough:
you have no lawsuit
no law was broken

move on

[John Denich]

I know this guys has one of those BMW's

[fatheroz]

The guy that owns the Anglia is the one that ought to be pissed. He actually beat the SUV, but his car's photo was pulled and some strangers Nova put in instead!

[Nefarious Art]

kill this thread

[hiboy32]

Originally Posted by rotten johnny

This months car and driver has a artical about a bmw twin turbo suv that goes anywhere,hauls anything and beats anything.They show it hauling bails of straw and driving on the e-way and then beating a stright axle,fuel injected,altered wheelbase 63 chevy II on the dragstrip................Whooooooa. That is my chevy and that little red suv couldn't beat my car in its wildest dreams. Do they really have to photo crop and mis-represent the public into thinking if they buy a bmw suv,then thay too can do what their mag says. I hope someone who advertises in that book see's this and decides on why they support the down rite lies they print.
I have posted this on the car and driver message board and have no reply from them. Anyone know how to get a hold of someone at car and driver so I can present them with a little reality......and attitude.
Show and tell the truth is the best policy,lie and cheat and scam is how to sell and make money..........I hope they fold up.
John

I hear they have been doin this since the begining....Ferrari GTO verse Pontiac GTO. Pontiac won on ALL accounts? umm, OK.


and sueing is worse than the first offense. save it for something important.


Jeff

[James Maxwell]

I say photoshop a pic of your Nova pulling a fender on that Beemer and demand that the C&D folks send that photo to all the readers via e-mail and that you had missed a gear on the first race. That will show 'em.

Last night on TV there was a commercial of a lawyer that would take this case, and go all the way to the supreme court if need be.

Maybe this thread will go to 500 posts?

[Mikey's Pinstriping]

What BMW?

[rotten johnny]

Thank you to all the hambers who positively added to the content of this thread.
At this point ASK that we DROP the THREAD. I asked for a re-traction and recived this via e-mail:
We understand you and our editor spoke. If you would send us a letter stating your position concerning the photograph on page 76 of the October issue, we will be glad to publish it. You can send the letter by e-mail, or send it via regular mail. Please include your name, mailing address, and phone number.

Our mailing address is:
Car and Driver Editorial Offices
1585 Eisenhower Place
Ann Arbor, MI 48108

editors@caranddriver.com
CARandDRIVER.com


This is what I asked for and looks like justice was served.
Thank you again H.A.M.B. for your support John

[Cajun Kenny]

Originally Posted by E36hijinks

WOW. Listen up, guys. This thread is PATHETIC. Are you guys seriously that insecure about your cars that you're getting all worked up over an obviously sarcastic photo? Do any of you think that that BMW will really whip your drag cars' asses? I had to sign up just to give you guys a dose of reality! You are making your community and this website look pathetic! Only ONE or TWO members here responded with a similar rhetoric and I applaud him/her for that. The rest of you are truly sad if you are really worked up over a photoshopped photo. Who cares? That's probably the closest your car will ever get to be in a nationally published magazine anyway!

This is seriously nothing to get worked up by! BOO HOO HOO MY 9 SEC DRAG car *LOOKS* like it got beat by a $80,000 BMW.

Of course your drag car will beat the 5,000lb BMW. The BMW is a multi-purpose people-hauler. Anybody in their right mind will realize that.

This has nothing to do with BMW vs drag car. Idiots

[CJ Steak]

Originally Posted by E36hijinks

WOW. Listen up, guys. This thread is PATHETIC. Are you guys seriously that insecure about your cars that you're getting all worked up over an obviously sarcastic photo? Do any of you think that that BMW will really whip your drag cars' asses? I had to sign up just to give you guys a dose of reality! You are making your community and this website look pathetic! Only ONE or TWO members here responded with a similar rhetoric and I applaud him/her for that. The rest of you are truly sad if you are really worked up over a photoshopped photo. Who cares? That's probably the closest your car will ever get to be in a nationally published magazine anyway!

This is seriously nothing to get worked up by! BOO HOO HOO MY 9 SEC DRAG car *LOOKS* like it got beat by a $80,000 BMW.

Of course your drag car will beat the 5,000lb BMW. The BMW is a multi-purpose people-hauler. Anybody in their right mind will realize that.

This has nothing to do with BMW vs drag car. Idiots

Aside from how hilarious it is to see a "bimmer" fan (how gay is the word "Bimmer"? yeah, they actually call 'em that...) sign up on a traditional hotrod site just to give us your valuable point of view on the topic......

I honestly had no idea that BMWs existed in Louisiana.

Learn something new everyday.

-Chris

[Ratmotor]

Rimmer was too obvious....

[Muttley]

Congratulations E36hijinks, you have just replaced Mopar7028957 as the biggest fag on the HAMB..........now go home and get your shinebox.

[CJ Steak]

"Shinebox"

Love it.

[61TBird]

Originally Posted by Muttley

..........now go home and get your shinebox.

Uhhh.....Billy Batts got "whacked".....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7LERhz-s8k

[Muttley]

Originally Posted by 61TBird

Uhhh.....Billy Batts got "whacked"

But not before getting off the epic "shinebox" blast.

[torchmann]

Looks like the story has gone viral. Mike Savage has picked it up! check this out:

[Lunatic]

lost to a dumpster..thats some funny shit

[dieselc]

Kill this thread please!!!

[Appleseed]

I just read 11 pages of complete drivel. One of you fuckers owes me an hour back.

[dieselc]

Screw racing the bmw race the Anglia it would be a more worthy race!

[Cajun Kenny]

why you would probally have just used the time consuming an alcohol beverage or some other form of debauchery!

[gasserlouie]

I wish I had two of them there BMW cars. One to shit on, and one to cover it up!

[torchmann]

Originally Posted by Appleseed

I just read 11 pages of complete drivel. One of you fuckers owes me an hour back.

franks got your hour:

[publicenemy1925]

My problem with Car & Driver is the pages are to slick to wipe your ass with because it sure isn't good for anything else.

[torchmann]

Awwwwright...here's the pic I inserted in the Mike Savage page. Sorry it wasn't all that easy to see before...

[CJ Steak]

Wow... this made it on the front page of www.cardomain.com

The comments are pretty funny...

lol

[Buick59]

Popeye! HEEELP!

[rustynewyorker]

What does it take to kill this thread anyways? Someone have to post.. I dunno, gay midget porn links in it?


Wait, before someone else does this, here's one:

www.caranddriver.com

[49ratfink]

[belair]

Only a bunny with a pancake on it's head can redeem this waste of bandwidth.

[electrodude]

Pancake bunny was busy, so he sent over his cousin Petey "The Refrigerator" Bunny to tell you all that this thread has gotten really lame...

[CJ Steak]

[metalshapes]

Originally Posted by rotten johnny

At this point ASK that we DROP the THREAD.

Allright.

Closed by Users request.