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Old 08-25-2009, 11:31 AM   #1
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Default Flathead ford V8 engine colors ?

I'm putting a 49 Merc engine in my 34 Ford fenderless & hoodless 5 window coupe. I don't like the looks of the newer 49 Merc engine lighter green color. I was thinking of painting the engine the older 34 engine dark green color. I've searched for info on these two shades of green. Not much info on the older color. Does anyone know what years Ford ran the dark green ? What color is it ? I looked at Rust-oleum, Hammered 721502 dark hunter green or Protective enamal 7733502 gloss dark hunter green. Any thoughts ? I would like to do the wheels & some body flames with the same color. I want a nice darker green that I have seen on some old 20s or 30s Ford engines. Gene
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Old 08-25-2009, 11:59 AM   #2
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Default Re: Flathead ford V8 engine colors ?

"Does anyone know what years Ford ran the dark green ? "


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The integral cast-in bell housing continued all the way through 1948 (except for the Ford trucks, which received in 1948 the newer '49-53 style engine with separate bell housing). All engines during this period had front, block-mounted water pumps (with wide belt pulleys), and twenty-four stud heads with center-located water hose outlets. Original cylinder heads for 1938 to 1942 were generally marked with "81A" for Ford or Mercury engines thru 1941; "81T" for truck engines from 1938 to 1942; "41T" heads were sold for 85/90hp trucks built from 1938 to 1942; "99T" for 100hp Ford Truck and Mercury in 1939 to 1941; and "29A" for Mercury in 1942. Heads marked "59-A" or "59AB" were used on all 90/100 hp (Ford & Mercury) engines from 1946 through 1948. The 59AB heads were sometimes used on earlier blocks in replacement rebuilds. You can find the Ford part numbers (basic 6049 and 6050 number with prefixes and suffixes) in the face of the heads and sometimes on the side edge of the head next to the intake manifold.

The postwar cylinder blocks were also marked "59" (or "59A" or "59L" or "59X" or "59Y" or "59Z") with raised letters cast into the top of the bell housing part of the block. The Canadian version had a "C59" cast into the same area. Another block assembly (the "41A" style) was used to replace the "81A" style cylinder blocks, which were all the 85/90hp engines with 3.0625" bore. The 1938 to 1940 blocks had four small "freeze plugs" (2 each side) in the oil pan mounting surface. The 1941 (except for a short carryover) and later blocks did not have the freeze plugs. These can be noted from outside an assembled engine by the slight "bumps" in the side of the block casting, right at the oil pan mounting surface. In mid 1938 Ford modified the engine for larger diameter main bearings. For complete crankshaft bearing specs CLICK HERE. The original engines from mid 1941 to final 1942 production (when WWII ended auto production) had a raised intake manifold deck surface. Prior to these engines, the entire manifold deck surface was machined flat, right out to the edge of the cylinder deck. The postwar engines seem to have returned to the practice of machining the intake deck all flat again. The foundry would also place what were probably "lot" or "production" numbers in the castings on all blocks. These were usually a small group of letters and numbers cast on the top of the bell housing....right next to the vertical surface of the back of the block. Unfortunately, any records of these numbers are long gone and they provide no clues as to the particulars of any engines.

Water jacket holes in the top of the cylinder area of the block will tell you what years the block may be:

1938 Blocks: Large triangular shaped holes between the center cylinder bores
1939-42 Blocks: Three openings between the center cylinder bores: top one is triangular;
center and bottom holes are trapazoidal (or keystone) shaped.
1945-48 Blocks: The three center openings: top one is triangular;
center and bottom holes are large round holes.



All 24 stud engines using cast iron heads were equipped with dome-top pistons (in either aluminum or steel). Engines built through 1939 had a pressed-on timing gear on the camshaft. Beginning in 1940 this gear was bolted on to the camshaft. All engines up through 1948 had "mushroom" style valve stem ends and split valve guides. Some engines (including 59A style) had removable hardened valve seat inserts. It's not uncommon for an early (pre 1946) engine to have the valve seats installed by an engine rebuilder at some point in its life.

As for original paint colors, the Ford and Mercury engines through 1940 were a dark green. Ford cars continued the color until 1942. Mercury engine had a dark blue color from 1941 thru 1948. Postwar Ford engines were dark blue thru 1948. Ford truck engines were generally the same as Ford cars during the years of this group.


Hope this info helps a bit about the color of the engines for the year your going for
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Old 08-25-2009, 12:09 PM   #3
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Default Re: Flathead ford V8 engine colors ?

I like the pre 1940 green color. Does anyone know what that color is. All I can find is pics of old engines & a descrition of dark green. A name of a company that makes it, part # or maybe a color chart sample. Any help ? Thanks Gene
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Old 08-25-2009, 12:10 PM   #4
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Excellent post Cab

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Old 08-25-2009, 12:21 PM   #5
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Thanks cab for your input. I know what year my engine is if it doesn't turn out to be a bad block. I just haven't been able to find out how to get the pre 40 dark green paint. Thanks again Gene
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Old 08-25-2009, 12:24 PM   #6
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Gene, I think I remember Eastwood Company carrying that color?
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Old 08-25-2009, 12:27 PM   #7
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You can probably grab it here.
http://www.hirschauto.com/prodinfo.a...tion=FOR%20GRN
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Old 08-25-2009, 01:22 PM   #8
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I found a 500 degree engine paint at NAPA that closly resembles the early Ford green. I'll see if I can dig up the can when I get home and send a picture of the flattie painted that color.
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Old 08-25-2009, 08:53 PM   #9
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Wow that is some great info. All you hambers are great ! Gene
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Old 08-25-2009, 10:05 PM   #10
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I could not find the can, but here's the color on my 59AB.
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Old 08-25-2009, 10:22 PM   #11
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This green came from the local "Old Car Centre", it's called "Early Ford Engine Green" or something like that and comes in a rattle can. Jason...
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Old 08-25-2009, 10:49 PM   #12
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I agree with Pinstripebob I have used the early Ford green from Bill Hirch. It is great paint. It cost a little more. You can either brush it on or spray it. The nice thing about it, it does not leave brush marks. It has alot of pigment in it and it covers the cast iron really well. Give it a try, you will be glad you did. The color is right on the money. I have it on my orginial 34 roadster motor and will use it on my 50 blown mercury in my 34 3 window.
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Old 08-25-2009, 10:57 PM   #13
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This one here is "Antique Ford Green" from Pioneer, I think it has a nice look to it.

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Old 08-25-2009, 10:57 PM   #14
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Here's a cool one with the dark green.
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Old 08-25-2009, 11:30 PM   #15
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Model A Ford Green
part number M-200
from Snyder's
I used just over one can for the entire engine and it worked great. The motor is a '37 and i believe that is "color correct".
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Old 08-25-2009, 11:42 PM   #16
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This might help you. I have this information saved for future builds. For exact color formulas or modern equivelants. I would contact the Early Ford V9 Club. Good resource.


Engine Colors:
Ford engines were generally dark blue in 1949 and changed to bronze in late '49 production through 1951. For 1952 and 1953 the Ford engine was either tangerine red or green. The Ford truck engines were red from 1948 through 1951, and then changed to green for 1952-53.
Mercury engines were green in color from 1949 through 1951. From 1952 to 1953 they were either green or tangerine

YEAR
FORD
MERCURY
TRUCKS
COMMERCIAL
1932
Dark Green
N/A
Dark Green
Dark Green
1933
Dark Green
N/A
Dark Green
Dark Green
1934
Dark Green
N/A
Dark Green
Dark Green
1935
Dark Green
N/A
Dark Green
Dark Green
1936
Dark Green
N/A
Dark Green
Dark Green
1937
Dark Green
N/A
Dark Green
Dark Green
1938
Dark Green
N/A
Dark Green
Dark Green
1939
Dark Green
Dark Green
Dark Green
Dark Green
1940
Dark Green
Dark Green
Dark Green
Dark Green
1941
Dark Green or Dark Blue
Dark Blue
Dark Green
Dark Blue
1942
Dark Green
Dark Blue
Dark Green or Dark Blue
Dark Blue
1943
? ? ? ?
? ? ? ?
? ? ? ?
? ? ? ?
1944
? ? ? ?
? ? ? ?
? ? ? ?
? ? ? ?
1945
? ? ? ?
? ? ? ?
? ? ? ?
? ? ? ?
1946
Dark Blue
Dark Blue
Dark Blue
Dark Blue
1947
Dark Blue
Dark Blue
Dark Blue
Dark Blue
1948
Dark Blue
Dark Blue
Dark Blue
Deep Red
1949
Dark Blue
Green
Dark Blue or Green
Deep Red
1949 1/2
Bronze
Green
Bronze or Green
Deep red
1950
Bronze
Green
Bronze or Green
Deep Red
1951
Bronze
Green
Bronze or Green
Deep Red
1952
Tangerine or Green*
Tangerine or Green*
Green*
Green*
1953
Tangerine or Green*
Tangerine or Green*
Green*
Green*
1954
Green*
Green*
Green*
Green*

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Old 08-25-2009, 11:43 PM   #17
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I like the looks of Ralphs engine color for mine. I'll check with NAPA. I have to go get some brake lines there tomorrow. I couldn't find a pioneer site. Only stereo stuff. The pics are very helpfull to figure out what works on my paint scheem. I figure on edging some body flames with a simular color. I checked out some rust-olem dark green today. It looks close to what I want to paint some body parts. Thanks
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Old 08-25-2009, 11:49 PM   #18
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1950Effie: THANK YOU! You've vindicated me. I've had arguments with people about the 8ba in my '51 truck, many people don't believe that Ford painted them red.
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Old 08-25-2009, 11:54 PM   #19
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Lots of different shades. Seems as though whatever I choose it will be hard to argue if it's period correct. Gene
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Old 08-25-2009, 11:56 PM   #20
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8flat...Your on the ball man! Glad I could help out.
My '50 8BA in my F1 is all the way Ford engine red. VHT and Krylon, Hirsch as well. There all dead on with the correct color. There was a little change in some regards to the commercial vs truck applications. The truck meant HD applications and the commercial meant PU's. Not sure why just that away. Infact some of the truck application got painted the commercial colors and visa versa. This has been a point of discussion in the V8 Club for a while.
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