Welcome to the THE H.A.M.B. forums.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

Go Back   THE H.A.M.B. > General Discussion > The Hokey Ass Message Board

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-05-2009, 01:14 PM   #1
hotroddave
FNG
 
hotroddave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Thousand Oaks Area
Posts: 9
Default 40 front axle suicide on a 23T

Trying to figure out the front end? i have a set of split 40 bones and the axle, spring, to the tires. what i am trying to figure is how to set it up on my 23 T. the spring is in front of the axle. and i need it atop the axle any bolt ups? or should i build new hangers
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2009, 01:15 PM   #2
onlychevrolets
Senior Member
 
onlychevrolets's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Metro Hiram
Posts: 2,312
Default Re: 40 front axle suicide on a 23T

if you want a spring over the 40 is an inch and half to wide.
__________________
Plus tax , title , and your old recap-able tire
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2009, 02:00 PM   #3
hotroddave
FNG
 
hotroddave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Thousand Oaks Area
Posts: 9
Default Re: 40 front axle suicide on a 23T

what would you suggest I use? i have these parts and can mount as is, it will work however it will be ugly.
offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Old 08-05-2009, 02:25 PM   #4
Rootie Kazoootie
Old School HAMBer
 
Rootie Kazoootie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Colorado
Posts: 4,794
Default Re: 40 front axle suicide on a 23T

Posies sells a spring for the 40 axle for the spring over #1009
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2009, 02:32 PM   #5
trad27
Member
 
trad27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Bakersfield
Posts: 947
Default Re: 40 front axle suicide on a 23T

Why not leave the spring in front? Its not necessarily ugly its just not something your used to seeing. It lowers the car an extra 2", traditional, and alot easier to set up if thats the parts you got. Im running it on my T with no problems and love it, pm me if you want pics or questions on my set-up. just my 2 cents.
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2009, 03:00 PM   #6
G V Gordon
Old School HAMBer
 
G V Gordon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Enid OK
Posts: 4,876
Default Re: 40 front axle suicide on a 23T

I used a '46 axle under my A with Speedway long perches and had a mainleaf made for $50. Cut off the stock perches and cleaned them up with a grinder. Worked fine.
__________________
Vagabonds / Oklahoma

www.vagabonds.cc

http://www.pinheadlounge.com/gvgordon

Are fake bull scrotums on Chrysler produced pickup trucks considered "Dodge Balls"
online   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2009, 03:03 PM   #7
NortonG
Member Emeritus
 
NortonG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: So-Ont, Canada
Posts: 2,117
Default Re: 40 front axle suicide on a 23T

Quote:
Originally Posted by G V Gordon View Post
I used a '46 axle under my A with Speedway long perches and had a mainleaf made for $50. Cut off the stock perches and cleaned them up with a grinder. Worked fine.
That is exactly how it's done.

Norton
__________________
Home built, Simple, Traditional Hotrods and Customs.
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2009, 03:18 PM   #8
Atwater Mike
Old School HAMBer
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Atwater, CA. USA
Posts: 3,656
Default Re: 40 front axle suicide on a 23T

Another way is to use hangers welded to the insides of the wishbones, 2.5" behind the axle. Hang the flattened '40 spring between, using the '40 shackles. Prune the front overhangs from the wishbones and smooth them, Voila! "Rat Rod Suicide"!

See lots of them like this at Billetproof...It's an old idea seen years ago at the Dry Lakes. (quick lengthening of wheelbase)
__________________
Mike in Atwater
online   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2009, 03:51 PM   #9
Shaggy
Old School HAMBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Sultan, WA
Posts: 4,941
Default Re: 40 front axle suicide on a 23T

Remember, that when you split the bones on a '40 axle it kills your turning radius, it is good to kick in your bones in so the tire doesnt hit them because unlike a 32 axle there isnt a lot of beam 'tween your bone and spindle
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2009, 06:54 PM   #10
F&J
Old School HAMBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: CT
Posts: 9,170
Default Re: 40 front axle suicide on a 23T

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy View Post
Remember, that when you split the bones on a '40 axle it kills your turning radius, it is good to kick in your bones in so the tire doesnt hit them because unlike a 32 axle there isnt a lot of beam 'tween your bone and spindle

X2 what he said. Tuck the back ends under the car as much as you can. Cars that don't steer enough are a pain
online   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2009, 01:27 PM   #11
hotroddave
FNG
 
hotroddave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Thousand Oaks Area
Posts: 9
Default Re: 40 front axle suicide on a 23T

Wow thanks for the info, as far as the bones i bought the whole mess already split. the guy had it under a sprite, I have no idea why. but they are split about 8 to 10 inches up the bones that way they are about 26" wide.
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2009, 04:37 PM   #12
hotroddave
FNG
 
hotroddave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Thousand Oaks Area
Posts: 9
Default Re: 40 front axle suicide on a 23T

here are the parts and the project,
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Photo_080709_001.jpg
Views:	82
Size:	80.6 KB
ID:	727228   Click image for larger version

Name:	Photo_080709_002.jpg
Views:	117
Size:	67.3 KB
ID:	727229   Click image for larger version

Name:	Photo_080709_003.jpg
Views:	110
Size:	84.2 KB
ID:	727230  

Click image for larger version

Name:	Photo_080709_005.jpg
Views:	89
Size:	95.7 KB
ID:	727231  
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2009, 04:40 PM   #13
trad27
Member
 
trad27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Bakersfield
Posts: 947
Default Re: 40 front axle suicide on a 23T

yeah you wont have trouble with turning radius with the bones like that. looks good
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2009, 04:19 PM   #14
hotroddave
FNG
 
hotroddave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Thousand Oaks Area
Posts: 9
Default Re: 40 front axle suicide on a 23T

Now how should I mount the front spring? perch over or under the spring?
__________________
Groucho marks once said "i wasn't kissing her, I was wispering in her mouth"
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2009, 04:45 PM   #15
hotrodfil
Senior Member
 
hotrodfil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Flatlands of Norfolk, UK
Posts: 1,344
Default Re: 40 front axle suicide on a 23T

Here y'go - 24T, spring in front, '39 axles and wishbones. Split slightly - hope that helps?





__________________
"Tradition is a guide and not a jailer." W. Somerset Maugham
My '27 Mercury..Monkeybiker no more..
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2009, 05:19 PM   #16
rusty28a
Alliance Member
 
rusty28a's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Whistleville, IL
Posts: 452
Default Re: 40 front axle suicide on a 23T

Those pics have got my blood boiling! Go for it Hotroddave!
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2009, 05:34 PM   #17
NortonG
Member Emeritus
 
NortonG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: So-Ont, Canada
Posts: 2,117
Default Re: 40 front axle suicide on a 23T

Quote:
Originally Posted by hotroddave View Post
Now how should I mount the front spring? perch over or under the spring?
I like them under. I think they're safer that way.
Other people may think otherwise.
Check out the pics in my build thread.
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=266975
This is just how mine has been done.
LOTS of other ways of doing this.

Norton
__________________
Home built, Simple, Traditional Hotrods and Customs.
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2009, 06:07 PM   #18
Mr48chev
Alliance Member
 
Mr48chev's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Yakima Valley, WA
Posts: 17,259
Default Re: 40 front axle suicide on a 23T

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy View Post
Remember, that when you split the bones on a '40 axle it kills your turning radius, it is good to kick in your bones in so the tire doesnt hit them because unlike a 32 axle there isnt a lot of beam 'tween your bone and spindle
I had to do that on my 23.

Take a look at a front spring out from under an F-1 Ford pickup. I think that is what I ended up using on my T. I may be off as I ended up swapping in a drilled axle that I got from a club member back then but I think the distance on the pins was the same as the other axle.

__________________
Happiness is having a garage big enough to hold all ttools and projects and small enough to keep warm enough to work in the winter.
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2009, 01:06 AM   #19
hotrodfil
Senior Member
 
hotrodfil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Flatlands of Norfolk, UK
Posts: 1,344
Default Re: 40 front axle suicide on a 23T

Plenty of turning circle left with my slightly split '39 bones...

__________________
"Tradition is a guide and not a jailer." W. Somerset Maugham
My '27 Mercury..Monkeybiker no more..
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2009, 06:56 PM   #20
hotroddave
FNG
 
hotroddave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Thousand Oaks Area
Posts: 9
Default Re: 40 front axle suicide on a 23T

tanks for the insight i will get some pics up to show progress once completed.
__________________
Groucho marks once said "i wasn't kissing her, I was wispering in her mouth"
offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:27 PM.