History Auto racing 1894-1944

[T-Head]

A nice photo from the 1913 indy 500. The Pope Hartford of Howdy Wilcox and Frank Fox with a Duesenberg right behind it.

[kurtis]

Originally Posted by Vitesse

In a word - non! French I can cope with quite easily, German reasonably although I struggle with Fraktur text. I knew O-level German and A-level French would come in useful one day. With a bit of effort, guesswork, dictionaries and online translators I can manage Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Dutch and Romanian too. Even Polish, Hungarian and Czech at a pinch. For Finnish and Swedish I ask Leif Snellman! But I draw the line at anything Cyrillic ... although there's a wonderful set of reports on the 1939 Belgrade race in a Yugoslav paper called Politika!

What about Austrian?

Over the years i have tried to find information about the 1908 Bosnian Trial held on the outskirts of Sarajevo. I have searched all available Bosnian and Croatian papers without any success. There is a paragraph or two that can be found on the Skoda website, a small mention in the biography of Otto Hieronimus and a search of Laurin & Klement also has snippets of the company's early history. One competitor of note was the Croatian Count Paul Draskovich {Pavao Draskovic} but there is no mention of his auto racing exploits in the Croatian archives. I wonder if there is any mention in the Austrian papers as the area where the hillclimb was staged probably came under the jurisdiction of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Any help would be appreciated if you know of the event.

BTW, Poltika! is a Serbian paper. ..And Yugoslav is a language that does not exist.

[kurtis]

Originally Posted by T-Head

A photo of a couple of stripped roadsters about ready to race at the Utah State Fair circa 1910, the car on the left is a Packard.

Nice photo.

That place was always packed full of spectators.
I searched the papers of Utah sometime ago and came across an advertisment in The Ogden Standard of 1909 for 40 days of racing at the State Fairgrounds. "Six High Class Races Daily - Rain or Shine" it said.
I never have been able to find any other information to this though.

[Bluto]

Google traslate works wonders instantly on any URL or cut and paste.

It messes up sometimes but you can work thru almost anything

Here I use it daily ......

[Michael Ferner]

Originally Posted by T-Head

A nice photo from the 1913 indy 500. The Pope Hartford of Howdy Wilcox and Frank Fox with a Duesenberg right behind it.

No Duesenbergs in 1913... it's a Mason.

[Michael Ferner]

Originally Posted by kurtis

BTW, Poltika! is a Serbian paper. ..And Yugoslav is a language that does not exist.

I believe Richard (Vitesse) was refering to a 1939 article, when the country Yugoslavia still existed, so this was a reference to the location of the paper, not its language.

[ehdubya]

Thanks for the great research Vitesse, more loco than an ALCO. Shirley Lois Moongirl would have made a nice match.



I noticed in this link ( http://www.sportscars.tv/Newfiles/recordatt.html ) the writer refers to this car as the Wogglebug



and not Louis Ross's Lightning Bug

[ehdubya]

Originally Posted by fur biscuit

when i was a kid, this piece did it for me. getting to see it again, brought back all those great feelings and dreams you have at that age.

You pushed it around the floor at eye level?

[Vitesse]

If the Bosnian Trial you refer to is the "Internationale Gesellschaftsfahrt durch Bosnien, Herzegowina, Dalmatien und Montenegro" then it took place between May 3rd and 20th 1908. More than 20 starters, of whom 8 received finishers' Plaketten. There was also what looks to have been a timed hillclimb as part of it on the "Iwanpass", which seems to be a German name for the route between Ljubinista and Stenje near Lake Prespa on what is today the border of Macedonia and Albania.

Info from Braunbeck's Sport-Lexikon. That any help?

edit: Braunbeck seems to have got the date wrong. There's a full report in the Austrian Allgemeine Auto Zeitung, issue dated May 10th 1908.

http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/an...aid=aaz&zoom=2

[T-Head]

Crystal Palace 1935......

[T-Head]

Originally Posted by Michael Ferner

No Duesenbergs in 1913... it's a Mason.

Originally Posted by Michael Ferner

I believe Richard (Vitesse) was refering to a 1939 article, when the country Yugoslavia still existed, so this was a reference to the location of the paper, not its language.

Michael...I think it would be more constructive for this thread in the long run if you would share something interesting with us other than your overly corrective nature.

[twin6]

This car is a complete mystery. I am waiting for a reply email from a friend who might be able to help run the plate, which appears to be 1910 Minnesota. The format is similar to dealer and manufacturer plates in Massachusetts at that time. We might get lucky and learn from the plate whose car it was and the make. Can any eagle eye tell what make it is?

[T-Head]

Teddie Tetzlaff, 1910 at Santa Monica examining his Lozier after as they used to say...turning turtle.

[Howard Kroplick]

Thanks for the answer! Much appreciated!!


Howard
East Hills, NY

[kurtis]

Originally Posted by Vitesse

If the Bosnian Trial you refer to is the "Internationale Gesellschaftsfahrt durch Bosnien, Herzegowina, Dalmatien und Montenegro" then it took place between May 3rd and 20th 1908. More than 20 starters, of whom 8 received finishers' Plaketten. There was also what looks to have been a timed hillclimb as part of it on the "Iwanpass", which seems to be a German name for the route between Ljubinista and Stenje near Lake Prespa on what is today the border of Macedonia and Albania.

Info from Braunbeck's Sport-Lexikon. That any help?

edit: Braunbeck seems to have got the date wrong. There's a full report in the Austrian Allgemeine Auto Zeitung, issue dated May 10th 1908.

http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/an...aid=aaz&zoom=2

Thanks Richard. I appreciate the effort you put in.
Now i have to translate all of the unreadable German.

The info i have shows 11 competitors and only 5 of those entered the hillclimb event that was held somewhere near the Ivan Planina{Ivan Pass}. This is a mountain that lies south of Sarajevo and near Mostar in Herzegovina but is not anywhere near Macedonia or Albania. Maybe there is a mistake or two in the article of the Austrian paper.

[fur biscuit]

Originally Posted by ehdubya

You pushed it around the floor at eye level?

well, how else would you shoot it? (it was up on a table, i was shooting Illford Delta 50 speed b+w in my 2.8f Rolleiflex on a tripod. most of these shots are almost 1 second exposure.)

[Bluto]

http://translate.googleusercontent.c...w0Xmze7AuSNCxQ

[kurtis]

Thanks Bluto.
I already tried but it won't translate.

[Bluto]

Sorry I just noticed it's a pdf

You can copy from the PDF and save text then paste to Goggles translate box

Be sure you have it set to 'German to English'

Hope that helps

[T-Head]

An upside Ford V-60 in a midget racer from Colorado...... Read all about this unique piece of ingenuity it at the SAH website .......

http://www.autohistory.org/feature_1.html