History Auto racing 1894-1944

[T-Head]

E.M.F. 30, winner of the Medium Car Road Race held in Anaheim on July 4, 1912. We could possibly assume that W.J. Weisel the dealer owned or sponsored the car.

[The37Kid]

I thought it was the old Ray Gilhooley INDY Isotta. Could you post any info you have on this event? Sure would like to know were the cars finished. One T is a F.& J. Special out of Philadelphia.

Originally Posted by Racemaker

Hello and thanks for the images, we do have this picture and the news reports on the race. We do know that the middle picture is of Earl Vance in the Hisso car numbered "1", it has been called the "Delage Hisso" and our assumption is that is because the aero engine was originally manufactured by Delage for Hispano Suiza. We had wondered if the chassis was a Daimler but were not set on that thought. We are interested to know your opinion on why it may be an Isotta.

[Michael Ferner]

Originally Posted by Racemaker

Does anyone have information regarding AAA race regulations from the early 1920s that required a racing car to be able to back up under its engine power (a working back-gear function). The Indy 500 did have such a regulation in place until the 1960s but I would like to find evidence, either written regulations or other knowledge, that this was required at other sanctioned events particularly in 1921, 1922, or 1923.

For what it's worth:

Twenty cars were nominated to start the race from a list of thirty-six entries. Five of the officially qualified cars were eliminated prior to the race due to their failing to be equipped with reverse gears or other stipulated equipment.

Altoona Mirror, Sep 6 in 1927

The race in question was the "semi-professional" AAA 50-miler at Altoona Speedway on Labor Day. Ironically, in the "professional" 200-miler on the same track and the same day, Tony Gulotta was on the brink of being disqualified for using that same reverse gear!

[kurtis]

Originally Posted by model.A.keith

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Thanks Keith.
The gentleman in the photo has been described as Hope Bartlett in a publicity shot for an upcoming race on the outskirts of Sydney.

I did a little searching in what little time i had/have and came across these two later photos of a Dixon Brooklands car. As i said previously, the car was fitted with an IFS but i can't see whether this one has that same suspension and i don't know if this is the car that went to South Africa or Australia but i'm confident it's a 1936 model. Anyway, if you do come across a similar looking Riley on one of your outings, snap a photo of the car and suspension, if you don't mind.

Have fun at Shelsley.

Cheers. Ive.

[kurtis]

Originally Posted by kamikaze

Hi, I bought this engine a couple of days ago. But i dont know what it is..I have now heard that it might be a racing engine and that it probably is quite rare. Does any one know what it is?

Interesting engine.

Do you have any more information?

[kurtis]

Racemaker,

Welcome to the HAMB.

[Vitesse]

There were only two 6-cylinder Dixon Rileys, successively modified by Freddie between 1934 and 1936, so you can't really call one a 1936 model. They ran with anything between 1.4 and 2.0 litre engines in period and there were only minor detail differences. If you look closely at those two modern photos, you can see they are actually different cars - compare the aeroscreens and front end treatment. The one on the left is the Majzub car, the one on the right Gillies'.

Neither car went to South Africa although one of Hector Dobbs' cars did. There was also a locally built South African special which may be a further cause of confusion.

This may help, but as you'll see what was or wasn't a "Dixon Riley" or a "Dobbs Riley" is open to interpretation. It also gets confusing when people talk of "Dixon Brooklands Rileys", because technically a Brooklands is a specific model of Riley Nine:

http://forums.autosport.com/lofivers...p/t105987.html

[kurtis]

Yes, i shoudn't have referred to the car as a '1936 Model'.

Originally Posted by kurtis

1932 TOURIST TROPHY @ Ards-Belfast.

Freddie Dixon. RILEY.

[kurtis]

Originally Posted by T-Head

E.M.F. 30, winner of the Medium Car Road Race held in Anaheim on July 4, 1912. We could possibly assume that W.J. Weisel the dealer owned or sponsored the car.

I like when you post things like this. I go straight to my results records to learn more of the early races but unfortunately this particular race is not listed.

However, the photo of the garage is most probably the first auto repair shop that P.J.Weisel opened after the death of his father in 1908. It was also the first ever auto garage in the Anaheim area. He also opened a Ford dealership later in the area and one of the first in So.Cal.

Perhaps you should post this photo on the E.M.F. site.

[T-Head]

Originally Posted by kurtis

I like when you post things like this. I go straight to my results records to learn more of the early races but unfortunately this particular race is not listed.

However, the photo of the garage is most probably the first auto repair shop that P.J.Weisel opened after the death of his father in 1908. It was also the first ever auto garage in the Anaheim area. He also opened a Ford dealership later in the area and one of the first in So.Cal.

Perhaps you should post this photo on the E.M.F. site.

Kurtis....Good idea.... it is such a wonderful photo.

[T-Head]

A photo of Eddie O'Donnell and his mechanic in a Hudson from Feb. 28, 1925

[kurtis]

Start of the 300 Mile Wheeler-Schebler Trophy.

Indianapolis Motor Speedway - 1909.

[ehdubya]

I just stumbled across this...

New Rules for Auto Racing The Sun April 7 1905

In order to prevent competition of freak raclng machines with those practical for road service the definition of the term "motor car" was changed so as to call for a vehicle with suitable brakes, with a differential gear or it's equivalent and a reverse gear

[ehdubya]

The 1906 Maxwell 12 again, probably Vetnor Beach 1908

[noboD]

Originally Posted by ehdubya

I just stumbled across this...

That's interesting because not all road cars had differentials.

[Howard Kroplick]

Can anyone identify this car and driver from the 1936 Vanderbilt Cup Race?

http://www.vanderbiltcupraces.com/in..._events_myster

Thanks for any assistance,

Howard Kroplick
East Hills, NY

[fur biscuit]

really bummed, shot a really cool sculpture last weekend, and was just told the pictures wont be ready until monday.

[carl s]

The more of these posts I read the more humbled I am in your presence.
Thanks to 'all' who have shared their knowledge and hold a love of vintage racecars.
Not sure when I will gather the historical buffering % to contribute but in the meantime, there is absolutely nothing to compare to driving one of these open air contraptions at full tilt.

[model.A.keith]

Originally Posted by banjeaux bob

The 200 Mile Brooklands car built by Oliver Way.

Bob,

Last time i saw this it broke.................















Keith

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[model.A.keith]

Another one that had a 'nearly' moment............





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