History Auto racing 1894-1944

[ehdubya]

1914 GP Mercedes, DePalma looks happy with it. Did he ever make the motors mentioned in the 1916 article?

[ehdubya]

Don Harkness at wheel of an Overland? RAC hill climb, Royal National Park, 1926

[The37Kid]

I've always liked the looks of this S.P.O. there was a nice feature on it in Automobile Quarterly 20-25 years ago. it was rerestored and I believe it is in the Colorado now.

Originally Posted by twin6

Another shot of James Melton's 1908 S.P.O., taken at Sebring in 1958 (see post 2941 for his Renault at same event). Original owner was Barend van Gerbig in CT, not far from Melton's museum in Norwalk.

[T-Head]

I just came across this photo of the Durant Miller Team cars. The back of the photo is labeled 1922 Beverly Hills board track, I am not certain if that is correct as I cannot find another photo of the grand stands or if the year is right.

[T-Head]

Originally Posted by The37Kid

I've always liked the looks of this S.P.O. there was a nice feature on it in Automobile Quarterly 20-25 years ago. it was rerestored and I believe it is in the Colorado now.

You are right, it was redone in a beautiful French blue with canvas fenders and black leather, it is in a collection in California or was.

[model.A.keith]

Raymond May's 'Factory' Car R4D...Shelsley Walsh





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[model.A.keith]

The inscription reads:

A MODEST FRIEND A FINE GENTLEMAN
AND A THOROUGH SPORTSMAN

IN
LOVING MEMORY
OF
PERCY E. LAMBERT
AGED 32 YEARS

THE FIRST MAN TO COVER ONE HUNDRED MILES IN ONE HOUR
KILLED BY ACCIDENT AT BROOKLANDS MOTOR RACING TRACK
WHILST ATTEMPTING FURTHER RECORDS OCTOBER 21ST 1913


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[model.A.keith]

Oldfield........... do I see canvas showing on those tyres ??


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[model.A.keith]

Mario Mazzacurati, Franco Cortese, Piero Taruffi

Maserati 6CM

Capetown 14/01/1939; Grosvenor Grand Prix

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[model.A.keith]

HE (Herbert Engineering) at Shelsley Walsh 1922


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[model.A.keith]

Another Shelsley picture


Guy Warbarton 3 Litre Sunbeam




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[model.A.keith]

Speed Trials Porthcawl Beach (South Wales)





Raymond Mays with his Bug at Porthcawl




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[twin6]

Another Shelsley Walsh photo, this one of Basil Davenport, 1928.

[Jim Scammell]

Originally Posted by ehdubya

Don Harkness at wheel of an Overland? RAC hill climb, Royal National Park, 1926

Great to see these '20s hillclimb photos popping up.

As the 1920s progressed, it seemed that Harkness and Hillier relied heavily on the refurbishment of Overland car engines to generate income. I guess it follows that they should use them in motor sport activities. Its a good photo. It looks to me like Norman "Wizard" Smith is riding as passenger.

Here is another Harkness car built for the Wizard in 1929. Its ANZAC, with Rolls Royce Eagle VIII V12 aero engined fitted to a Cadillac. Not so much motor racing, but record breaking speed trials.
- Jim

[Jim Scammell]

Originally Posted by model.A.keith

Capetown 14/01/1939; Grosvenor Grand Prix .

Could be a modified MG K3 Magnette in the 2nd row.

[Jim Scammell]

Norman "Wizard" Smith beside the "Anzac" car which is being refuelled, c1930

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[kurtis]

Some different shots of Raymond Mays.

[kurtis]

This is a 1929 photo of the 1922 supercharged Vauxhall with Raymond Mays at right with Amherst Villiers, 2nd from left.

[jimdillon]

Originally Posted by ehdubya

1914 GP Mercedes, DePalma looks happy with it. Did he ever make the motors mentioned in the 1916 article?

Although I have spent a bunch of hours researching this topic I have never found the smoking gun. That is why in several posts back in this thread I referred to questions regarding which engine was placed in the Detroit Special built by DePalma and his patrons, Frank and Herbert Book-two Detroit millionaires.

The pic below is Kirkpatrick I believe in SoCAl in 1919 with the Detroit Special. This car has been referred to over time as the Mercedes Copy. This car was built in Detroit by the DePalma Manufacturing Co. in 1916. DePalma like most of the racers needed money and there were a number of patrons in the sport that opened their wallets in this regards. Frank and Herbert Book were quite young (Frank in his early twenties and Herbert not yet 21) but they took a liking to Ralph and joined up with him to spend their money on racecars. DePalma Manufacturing was a business established to build racecars and possibly sporting type cars for rich Detroiters and hopefully others. They started with a pretty decent stable of cars but then the war hit and they converted to war work in 1917 and then after 1920 they spent much of their efforts building up Washington Boulevard in Detroit in honor of their recently deceased father and racing took a distant backseat. Their real last hurrah in their racing endeavors was the west coast events in late 1919 and early 1920. They sold most of their cars although Frank did keep the Detroit Special and drove it around Detroit until 1933 when the trail went cold for me. Don't know whatever happened after that.

I had two pretty good discussions with Mrs Herbert Book back in the 80s. Although I can only imagine that she was a debutante when she met Herbert you could tell she really liked cars. She told me that during the period of the DePalma Manufacturing days she was engaged and then recently married to Herbert and either she spent time around the race shop or she would not see him much so she spent a bit of time there.

According to her they built a number of engines and they were very proud of them. The Detroit Special raced at Indy in 1919 and since this was a car built by her husband they were very proud of the car. She went down to the 1919 race a few days early with Art Klein and some others. Klein drove their Peugeot in the race but most of the others had gone down earlier. She could not confirm which engine they had in the Detroit Special, although they were rightly proud that it was one of their engines. I did not want to put words in her mouth although I believe the engine in the Detroit Special may have been very similar to their other car which had been DePalma's old 1914 GP Mercedes which he won Indy with. She said I may be right on that as they spent a considerable amount of time with Ralph's old Mercedes (which the Book Brothers owned from 1916 on) and they made many parts for the car. She felt the two cars were similar and I kind of got the point that it was meant to be that way.

I also have done quite a bit or research on Ralph's 14 Mercedes and the car was rebuilt a number of times in the Packard shops and I believe they made many parts for the engine and very well may have replicated much of the engine-just in an effort to keep it competitive. Between Packard and DePalma Manufacturing I believe they were pretty familiar with Mercedes motors and very well built several copies.

So long story short I do believe they built the motors referred to in the article but I keep one eye open with the hope that I will find the smoking gun or at least a good picture of the car with the hood up to see how close it is if at all it is to the 1914 GP Mercedes.-Jim

[T-Head]

More wonderful Lartigue photos of the 1912 French GP. The first, his note book with shows some of the effort he went to so he could capture these wonderful images.

The second photo Wagner in his Fiat and the third and forth Boillot the winner in his Peugeot.

Some background infomation on him;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Henri_Lartigue