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**Ryan** · 04-30-2009, 10:48 AM

AWESOME... Where did you find that?

Rootie Kazoootie · 04-30-2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryan

AWESOME... Where did you find that?

Oct. 2000 OpenWheel magazine.

1low1954ford · 04-30-2009, 10:51 AM

Ryan, where the hell do you find this stuff day in and day out? It amazes me.

DirtyThirty · 04-30-2009, 10:53 AM

"In retrospect, it would have been much easier to just construct a new car".....

Ummm...HELL YEAH it would have!
Good thing they didn't.

I still can't imagine no oiling problems running a motor this way. Crazy!

**Ryan** · 04-30-2009, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rootie Kazoootie

Oct. 2000 OpenWheel magazine.

Thanks a ton for posting it man... Great to finally see the car. I thought the stance would be way more nose-high.

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Originally Posted by 1low54ford

Ryan, where the hell do you find this stuff day in and day out? It amazes me.

Some days it's real easy. Some days it's real hard. Mostly, I'm just lucky... Or so I'm told.

Actually, I get a lot of tips from folks and I think about cars prolly 99% of my day... So, my sickness helps a lot.

COOTER · 04-30-2009, 10:59 AM

That was the funniest thing I'd ever seen until I read that it worked. F'n hotrodders!

**Stevie G** · 04-30-2009, 11:01 AM

Tom Batista (Used to run the track up in Ionia, MI) has some more info on this set up.
He was staying in Ionia during the summer, but has moved to Orchard Park, NY if any of the NY guys want to track him down and talk to someone who was there when this was cutting edge stuff.

Raven53 · 04-30-2009, 11:59 AM

Thanks for posting .......I love those flatties and found in quite interesting. They never seem to stop amazing me on what their capable of.....

revkev6 · 04-30-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rootie Kazoootie

Oct. 2000 OpenWheel magazine.

HMMM another publication i could have read that in. In fact, thinking about it I seem to remember reading it at my house so, that would make open wheel a much more likely place that I'd seen it.

Van Dutch · 04-30-2009, 12:04 PM

Ryan asks if anyone else has seen it and boom, RootieKazootie pulls that out of his hat just like that. Fucking internet. Fucking HAMB. Amazing. You young fellers have no idea how much things have changed. Wow.

temper_mental · 04-30-2009, 12:08 PM

Wtf

THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER · 04-30-2009, 12:08 PM

On a related note, there used to be a collection of old flathead and "T" engines in the lobby of Ford's Dyno Building at the Dearborn R & D Center. Among them was Henry's "X" motor flathead in which four cylinders were oriented in the conventional V4 manner and four were mounted "upside down" forming an "X" instead of a "V". Oiling issues reportedly sidelined the project.

flyin-t · 04-30-2009, 12:19 PM

Ford 'X'

VonMoldy · 04-30-2009, 12:29 PM

They ran middle of the pack, that doesn't seem too successful to me. But I guess anyone who can get an engine to run upside down has a bit of success.

revkev6 · 04-30-2009, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by VonMoldy

They ran middle of the pack, that doesn't seem too successful to me. But I guess anyone who can get an engine to run upside down has a bit of success.

top 5 isn't middle pack. especially when the guys in front of you are running Offy's

besides, they were running at a time when it wasn't uncommon to have 100 cars show up for an event

hugh m · 04-30-2009, 12:37 PM

boy, its amazing what comes out of the woodwork...

49ratfink · 04-30-2009, 12:40 PM

prolly was really fast since the pistons were going down and up instead of up and down so gravity helped the pistons move faster.

THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER · 04-30-2009, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 49ratfink

prolly was really fast since the pistons were going down and up instead of up and down so gravity helped the pistons move faster.

That's why I jacked up the rear end of my beater. Downhill all the time.

ClayMart · 04-30-2009, 02:47 PM

I guess since they didn't win any races that makes them a failure. But it doesn't really matter since I'd still find these guys and others like them a lot more interesting than somebody who won nearly every race they entered but seldom turned a wrench on the car.

Wouldn't be surprised if this car never hit the track, but I'm still impressed that these guys had the brass to try something different.

revkev6 · 04-30-2009, 02:57 PM

I remember reading about a supermodified that was setup with 3 wheels on the right side and one on the left. got as far as track testing before it was outlawed. broke 200mph on the track

also read about this in an issue of open wheel mag.

04-30-2009, 10:48 AM	#21
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04-30-2009, 10:51 AM	#23
1low1954ford FNG Join Date: May 2005 Location: LA Posts: 28	Re: Upsidedown V8-60 Ryan, where the hell do you find this stuff day in and day out? It amazes me.

04-30-2009, 10:53 AM	#24
DirtyThirty Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: nowhere... Posts: 2,415	Re: Upsidedown V8-60 "In retrospect, it would have been much easier to just construct a new car"..... Ummm...HELL YEAH it would have! Good thing they didn't. I still can't imagine no oiling problems running a motor this way. Crazy! __________________

04-30-2009, 10:59 AM	#26
COOTER Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ontario, California Posts: 2,321	Re: Upsidedown V8-60 That was the funniest thing I'd ever seen until I read that it worked. F'n hotrodders! __________________ Crankhole

04-30-2009, 11:01 AM	#27
Stevie G Alliance Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: On the road to Bethlehem....no....really!! Posts: 5,140	Re: Upsidedown V8-60 Tom Batista (Used to run the track up in Ionia, MI) has some more info on this set up. He was staying in Ionia during the summer, but has moved to Orchard Park, NY if any of the NY guys want to track him down and talk to someone who was there when this was cutting edge stuff. __________________ Member ADHDC. Sure, I have a lot of cars but...Hey, that would look real cool with a... Last edited by Stevie G; 04-30-2009 at 11:49 AM.

04-30-2009, 11:59 AM	#28
Raven53 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Irwin Pa Posts: 421	Re: Upsidedown V8-60 Thanks for posting .......I love those flatties and found in quite interesting. They never seem to stop amazing me on what their capable of..... __________________ Flatheads Forever...........................

04-30-2009, 12:04 PM	#30
Van Dutch Alliance Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: havertown PA Posts: 247	Re: Upsidedown V8-60 Ryan asks if anyone else has seen it and boom, RootieKazootie pulls that out of his hat just like that. Fucking internet. Fucking HAMB. Amazing. You young fellers have no idea how much things have changed. Wow.

04-30-2009, 12:08 PM	#31
temper_mental Old School HAMBer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 2,707	Re: Upsidedown V8-60 Wtf __________________ RIP SGT Tim SANCHEZ 3/5/74 3/14/07 Thaw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n43G4K_lOxA TX mile 151

04-30-2009, 12:08 PM	#32
THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: FRENCHTOWN Posts: 1,081	Re: Upsidedown V8-60 On a related note, there used to be a collection of old flathead and "T" engines in the lobby of Ford's Dyno Building at the Dearborn R & D Center. Among them was Henry's "X" motor flathead in which four cylinders were oriented in the conventional V4 manner and four were mounted "upside down" forming an "X" instead of a "V". Oiling issues reportedly sidelined the project. Last edited by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER; 04-30-2009 at 12:42 PM.

04-30-2009, 12:19 PM	#33
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04-30-2009, 12:29 PM	#34
VonMoldy Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: UTARRGH! Posts: 1,437	Re: Upsidedown V8-60 They ran middle of the pack, that doesn't seem too successful to me. But I guess anyone who can get an engine to run upside down has a bit of success. __________________

04-30-2009, 12:37 PM	#36
hugh m Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: ct. Posts: 1,783	Re: Upsidedown V8-60 boy, its amazing what comes out of the woodwork... __________________ www.waterwheelboatcarts.com

04-30-2009, 12:40 PM	#37
49ratfink Old School HAMBer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: S.F. bay area, California Posts: 13,176	Re: Upsidedown V8-60 prolly was really fast since the pistons were going down and up instead of up and down so gravity helped the pistons move faster.

04-30-2009, 02:47 PM	#39
ClayMart Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Ft. Wayne, Indiana Posts: 2,075	Re: Upsidedown V8-60 I guess since they didn't win any races that makes them a failure. But it doesn't really matter since I'd still find these guys and others like them a lot more interesting than somebody who won nearly every race they entered but seldom turned a wrench on the car. Wouldn't be surprised if this car never hit the track, but I'm still impressed that these guys had the brass to try something different. __________________ "My cousin Goober ain't stupid. He's ugly, but he ain't stupid." -Gomer

04-30-2009, 02:57 PM	#40
revkev6 Old School HAMBer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: ma Posts: 2,746	Re: Upsidedown V8-60 I remember reading about a supermodified that was setup with 3 wheels on the right side and one on the left. got as far as track testing before it was outlawed. broke 200mph on the track also read about this in an issue of open wheel mag.

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