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Old 02-22-2013, 01:43 PM   #4101
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Oh my, I believe I see 5 KK Roadsters in this picture, could you name them? Great photo what year would this be. Thanks for sharing.


Alfa 3, I beleave the year is 1960.. Sorry cant name anyone
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Old 02-23-2013, 09:12 AM   #4102
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Thats the 2 Howard Linne cars in front, Branson and Tattersall. The light colored car on the outside is Roger Ward in Wilke's midget.

Tony B wins in the third Linne car.

Len Sutton is in one of the roadsters.
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Old 02-25-2013, 06:29 PM   #4103
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Here is another car that came to us, as a basket case. Owners were Bill Singer and his partner Jim, who brought us 3 or 4 cars over the years. Funny the things you remember... About THIS car, I especially remember all the time I spent filing and sanding the letter "S" we made (for Singer) for the front bumper. That is Bill sitting in this original roadster, behind our Riverhead shop, when we made a car out of his project and just before paint & upholstery & chroming.... The last photo of the rear-view, clearly shows the off-set. Nice "Indy style" external sidemount oil-tank, too.



This car I was very familiar with in it's last years of running Vintage events, often coming to the Iowa and Belleville meets from its home in Lodi Ohio.

Imagine my surprise when after several years of its owner in declining health, I was at my first Midwest Oldtimers meet at the Hoosier Hundred last May, and spotted the car!

I quickly made the acquaintance of the new owner, Phil Pete, and learned he had been able to acquire the car, had just picked it up and was on his way home to Florida with it, stopping to display it with the three dozen or so other cars that were there. Unfortunately the car was no where near runable.

On top of that I learned that Phil's dad Fred Pete, had built the car in 1959!

Phil is well into the restoration and I will post some pictures as I am able tonight before leaving town for two weeks in the morning. More on my return.

This post from Joe Gertler was on page 162 of this thread #3342. I had to copy and paste because quoting is not bringing photos with the text for me anymore. Why?
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Old 02-25-2013, 06:35 PM   #4104
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My mind was also triggered by this situation and wonder if it would be of interest to start a list on here of Vintage midgets (cageless of course) that are currently owned by sons or daughters or other close relatives of original or one time owners of the car.

This of course is a great one to start it out. I personnally know of a number of ohers but will hold off pending opinion and input of others.
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Old 02-25-2013, 08:30 PM   #4105
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[QUOTE=28dreyer;8675636]My mind was also triggered by this situation and wonder if it would be of interest to start a list on here of Vintage midgets (cageless of course) that are currently owned by sons or daughters or other close relatives of original or one time owners of the car.



Our family has one of those!
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Old 02-25-2013, 09:01 PM   #4106
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My mind was also triggered by this situation and wonder if it would be of interest to start a list on here of Vintage midgets (cageless of course) that are currently owned by sons or daughters or other close relatives of original or one time owners of the car.



Our family has one of those!
You are on top of my list Dean and I have 10 others on the list. Let's see how many posts and interest we get, maybe some photos too. I suspect there are quite a bunch. I'll check back in when I get back from Idaho in two weeks.
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Old 02-26-2013, 03:49 PM   #4107
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This info is from Bill Hill's book "Decades of Daring Midget Racing in the Rocky Mountains" from 2000. A book on most of the history of the Rocky Mountain Midget Racing Assoc. (RMMRA). Hills book, in the bio of Tommy Rice says..."Rice's father Spencer Rice purchased a Offenhauser, A Californian named Tony Morasco, from a wealthy family, had recently returned from a F1 race in Europe, and being a midget buff, had Frank Kurtis build him a car incorporating some F-1 ideas. According to Tommy it was one of a kind KK with changeable ladders in the front and back wheel to wheel torsion bars using a piano pin type fastening, and a long wheel base with engine set back. Rice also said the Offy engine had specially ground cams and was one of the first to use Hilborn Injection." The story gets convoluted with several people trying to buy the car, lawyers getting involved, long story short, Rice ends up with the car, this was in the mid to late 1950's. Anyway, I've heard that Rices daughter, Sandy owns the midget, Tommy Rice and his wife still live in Erie, Colorado. My wife was good friends with Sandy Rice in the mid to late 70's, at that time the midget was still in a garage on Rice's ranch north of Denver. We've been gone from Denver for 9 years, so i'm out of the Colorado racing loop, but last I heard, Sandy Rice still had the Kurtis Offy.
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Old 03-03-2013, 07:54 PM   #4108
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Dick Betts leading Colby Scroggin, Johnny Moorehouse #27, A.J. Foyt #5, Bernie Schectner, Bullet Joe Garson, & Roger McCluskey.
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Old 03-03-2013, 08:04 PM   #4109
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Here are some more.......
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:27 AM   #4110
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1956 USAC YEARBOOK
This has stats and bios of the top drivers, I will scan them if anyone wants to see them

Jimmy Bryan, on the cover page, drove for my father in '48, '49 and '50.
Anything you have on him, I would be grateful.

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Old 03-04-2013, 07:30 PM   #4111
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........'It's Capital. Those are the railroad tracks and "Tight-Wad" hill in the background. The two captions below, I hope will back me up and make me sound a little more believable to 28dreyer. Another picture of Shorty Templeman in the roadster at Oakland in 1958; this from the grandstand side showing the exhaust. And the caption are the words from the well known author, Jack C. Fox, noted historian and publisher of many racing publications.
Regarding the caption... Owner/Driver Ronald Love bought Walt Reiff's midget with a Chevy Nova powerplant (which didn't prove out) and went back to Reiff and bought Reiff's first Offy... WE (meaning my Dad) overhauled it and he went on to run this engine for about 2 years. BTW.... My papa is sitting here telling me what to type... He raced Micro's in California (Marysville, West Cap in Sacto, 5 Star Raceway, Lemore, and Oakland indoors) Got bored and moved on to Hydroplanes....LOL
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Old 03-04-2013, 07:42 PM   #4112
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Do you have knowledge of this head for the Fergie being aluminum or iron and whether it might have been an F head or a full OHV?
Per my dad.... who raced with these guys.... It was an Iron, Full OHV. Regarding it being poured at a foundry in Grass Valley...Walt had his own machine shop on 24th St, in Sacto- Owned every tool known to man...and made and poured all his own parts. So.....
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:10 PM   #4113
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Right after the war, circa 1946-48....They raced midgets and roadsters at a "wooden floor" indoor skating rink in Fresno, Ca.... Anybody got any pics????
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Old 03-04-2013, 09:03 PM   #4114
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Finally found the scrapbook....Here's a pic of my Papa, George "Butch" Bair. This was his first Micro, bought from Don Risni. Had an Indian Arrow 15 CID engine. Butch bored it to 15 1/4 (which was the max allowed) and supercharged it. The Arrow took him to 2nd place in the 1962-63 NMMRA Region 8 Winter Championship.

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Old 03-05-2013, 01:02 PM   #4115
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Right after the war, circa 1946-48....They raced midgets and roadsters at a "wooden floor" indoor skating rink in Fresno, Ca.... Anybody got any pics????
Midgets and bikes were also raced at The Cleveland Arena - home of the Cleveland Barons hockey team - in the early 50s on a board lined skating rink. I would love to see some pics of those races too. Great memories of castor oil and nirto perfumed air back then. It was so thick at the end of the night you couldn't see across the stadium. Loved it.
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:26 PM   #4116
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Cleveland Arena sounds like a blast. The one in Fresno, CA was a banked skating rink. Dad said it was "Outstanding" to watch. So sad that we will never have the videos like we do today. Wild races lost to time.
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Old 03-06-2013, 05:58 AM   #4117
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Does anyone have any info on this beautiful Shilala roadster? a friend of mine is trying to research it's history, any help would be appreciated
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:29 AM   #4118
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There is a good batch of TQ's before we had to put cages on ,in this site;
http://floridacityspeedway.homestead.com/
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Old 03-06-2013, 08:35 AM   #4119
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Speaking of indoor racing,I can remember taking my boys to midget races at the old "King Dome" in Seattle.It was always a lot of fun,lots of noise,exhaust and action on a concrete floor, IIRC this was in the late 70's.

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Old 03-07-2013, 10:29 AM   #4120
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Here is a rare one regarding indoor racing. It was at the Forum in Inglewood Ca in 1968. We only ran there a couple of times. On hand driving was Sonny White, Bob McCaw, Danny Caurthers, Lowell Voss, Danny McKnight, Duane "Pancho" Carter Jr, Johnny Parsons Jr and the Grand Ol Man of Midget Racing 59 yr old Bullet Joe Garson.

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