History Vintage "Cageless" Midget Picture Thread

[Jim Nise]

The top car looks like Doug Craig. Unfortunately Doug is no longer with us. He may have built this with Norm Smiser's help. Norm and Doug did many things.

Hope that helps.

[Zoera]

Originally Posted by TommyA19

From what I can recall, Charley did not use a head gasket on the engine, but instead had grooves milled around each opening/hole and had wire (copper?) placed in the grooves. Can this be confirmed by anyone?

Very common in the aircraft industry, they use a 'crushable' o-ring in the vital areas in place of a gasket. Gaskets are rare, usually replaced by exact tolerance machining or o-rings. Some of these midget pioneers were way ahead of their time.

[Steve Bonesteel]

Jim,
Thanks for info, I will try to post again tonight with info I have.
Steve

[Blacki-Suede]

Interesting Ebay find. Says Racer 5C knows all about the car.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/73-74...item519b07af1f

BTW: Still looking for contact info on Gary Schooley. Midget driver in Badger - late sixties early seventies. I am restoring an Edmunds midget that he once owned and drove.

Blacki-Suede

[gearguy]

Blacki-Suede:
Gary is a Facebook friend of mine. I'll send him a message with this link.
Steep asking price on thar E-Bay stash, IMHO.

Chuck Schultz
Winfield, Illinois

[Stryker's Custom]

If someone has a intrest in this car PM me.
I am 40 miles away and i have seen the car as it sits. Be happy to help. From what I know it has a good chance to be the real deal. First Edmunds VW built.
Mike Stryker

Originally Posted by Blacki-Suede

Interesting Ebay find. Says Racer 5C knows all about the car.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/73-74...item519b07af1f



Blacki-Suede

[Blacki-Suede]

Originally Posted by gearguy

Blacki-Suede:
Gary is a Facebook friend of mine. I'll send him a message with this link.
Steep asking price on thar E-Bay stash, IMHO.

Chuck Schultz
Winfield, Illinois

Yea, I thought that was pretty steep too, but interesting stash. Gary is the missing link as far as images and contacts in my Edmunds, CBM-7, restoration. Have info, photos, and have talked with all of the owners of the car except Gary Schooley. Bob Lithgow, the original owner/driver has passed, but his wife gave me and Don Edmunds a ton of info, images, etc.

You were a lot of help along the way as well.

Blacki-Suede
aka Carroll Hamilton
386-576-3946
hamiltonfla@bellsouth.net

[carl s]

I was towing my car home from Indy on Monday and passed by Havasu exit and so gave Ray Alcaraz a call on the cell.
Despite serious health problems Ray is doing a terrific job in bringing this 3 day event (Nov 3,4,5) to fruition.
In addition to the vintage sprints and midgets of the WRA and WCVR SWC-West Coast Vintage Racers SW Chapter he and Billy Shuman have been able to get the involvement of a half dozen vintage indycars (including myself, Larry Pfitzenmaier, Bud Taylor of MO, Bill Barringer (son of Texas legend George Barringer), and a few other probablys including Parnelli Jones.
Hopefully all will show up, but you can never be sure.
Here's the flyer if you would be so kind to pass it around and if any have some connection with vintage indycar, midget or sprint car owners please ask them to call Ray to discuss participation.
http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1316393452
Best Regards
To all the racers
Carl Schulz
Indio, CA

Here's link to some photos from last year's event
http://s1011.photobucket.com/albums/...WRA/?start=all

[Speedwrench]

Originally Posted by gearguy

Blacki-Suede:
Gary is a Facebook friend of mine. I'll send him a message with this link.
Steep asking price on thar E-Bay stash, IMHO.

Chuck Schultz
Winfield, Illinois

I am helping a friend who also has what is believed to be an ex-Schooley car and would appreciate having that information also.

Thanks

[gearguy]

Speedwrench:
Which ex-Schooley car do you have? I wrenched on his ex-DariKool "space frame" car when Boyd Koneck Jr. owned it. It was pretty used up by then [1973].

[Speedwrench]

Originally Posted by gearguy

Speedwrench:
Which ex-Schooley car do you have? I wrenched on his ex-DariKool "space frame" car when Boyd Koneck Jr. owned it. It was pretty used up by then [1973].

The car my friend has is an Edmunds four bar that had a Sesco in it when it was new. The chassis number is 4BM 138. We think Gary traded the car Blackie Suede has to Mel Kenyon for this car in the 1972/73 time period.

Not sure about the DariKool part, will have to check.

I can be contacted at allanw925@aol.com

Thanks.

[gtxrider]

Originally Posted by Steve Bonesteel

A few weeks ago I was asking if anyone knew any thing about the midget roadster at the top of this photo. On the last page a photo was posted of the car at the bottom, to my eye these are the same car or built by the same person ?????

Not sure about the top car but the bottom looks Lenny Boyd in the Red Sled

[DocF]

Originally Posted by Blacki-Suede

Interesting Ebay find. Says Racer 5C knows all about the car.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/73-74...item519b07af1f

BTW: Still looking for contact info on Gary Schooley. Midget driver in Badger - late sixties early seventies. I am restoring an Edmunds midget that he once owned and drove.

Blacki-Suede

There are many people in this list that are still around to verify its history. I trust Mike Lang to tell the truth. I also know that Roy Caruthers is around and sometimes is on here. Sandy Lowe, Bobby's daughter, probably sold the car after Bobby died, so she could be another source. If it is what it is claimed, it is a very special car. A car driven by Pancho, Gary B, Richie V., et. al. is important. The fact that it may be the first Edmunds built to run the VW makes it even more important.

Doc

[TommyA19]

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[TommyA19]

And it also is here: Wheels of Speed - http://www.wheelsofspeed.com/fficeffice" />>>

[TommyA19]

Along with: Wheels of Speed - http://www.wheelsofspeed.com/fficeffice" />>>

[TommyA19]

OK, I have no idea as to why "ffice" etc is on the above!!!

[gearguy]

The DariKool cars were built by Paul Krueger and dominated the Badger circuit in the early 1960s. Billy Wood won his final title in a DariKool car. Keith Thomas also won a championship for the team.
Mr. Krueger is still an official with Badger.
One of the cars had a Kurtis like tube frame while the other had a space frame. Both were cross spring fronts with cross bar rear.
We were just dumb and inexperienced kids when the wrenched on the space frame car; it deserved a better fate than that.

Chuck Schultz
Winfield, Illinois

[Steve Bonesteel]

Could any of you tell me about Doug Craig. When he raced and where. Jim Nise think he could be in the roadster I have posted earlier, it is the yellow 22. I have interest because it is in my shop. The owner is not all that interested in the history but I am. Here is what I know. The roadster a roller, was sold to fabricator Dave Masterman in the middle 90's by Fred Gehardt here in Fresno. Masterman started working the roadster over putting Ansen head in. At the same time Masterman commissioned Jim Allen to build a Kurtis type body for it. For some reason Masterman stoped working on it and it sat in his shop, and I started seeing it around 2000, In 2003 Masterman sold all his stuff to Dick Woodland and the unfinished roadster was part of the deal. Over the last few years I have done some art work for Woodland and kept walking by the roadster in his shop. About three months ago we struck a deal for me to finish it. It will be finished period correct for the late 50's early 60's. As you can see it is just beautiful, Ok the wheels and tires are not quite correct but they look great. Any history about Doug Craig or Norm Smiser would be helpful

[Buildy]

I know a little about Doug Craig. He raced in the Northeast in the 60s-70s. He was a hot shoe in the TQs. Usually drove car #55. I don`t remember him in the Midgets,but he did race them,too. His son races with ARDC currently.




I think the two photos you posted are the same car. If not,they are at least built by the same builder.


Here is Steve Craig in 2010.