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Old 01-29-2009, 08:05 PM   #1
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Default Glass or steel body on a period gasser?

What is the feeling if you saw a period gasser,33willys/anglia but the body was glass instead of steel?
Do you turn your nose up?
Is the car now fake?
I will be involved with a build with a friend soon,he says steel because everything he does he tries to be"proper"
I say glass because of expense and also when this car is built we will play with it hard
It is racing and you can destroy stuff
Bad enough to wall rash a glass car and I'd hate to see steel get mashed

Thanks for the input
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Old 01-29-2009, 08:07 PM   #2
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I like steel because it is real. Not light as fiberglass for racing, but real.
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glass suck's, fender's ok but i draw the line when it come's to the body. JUST SAY NO TO GLASS!
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This subject has been beat to death,,,try the search button,,,HRP
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my opinion,racing is gloves off...glass has been on the track all my car life.i smell octane and the glass itch doesn't bother me.
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Nothing like driving a car that was built by Americans of a bygone era, some how they live on! But it is 2009, so steel cars are harder for average folks to afford...me personally, would not build/buy/own a fiberglass car but to each their own!
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I have seen period looking Gasser cars that were built using glass bodies..and if they are done right, look right and haul ass it dosn't matter to me one bit. Turning my nose up to them would be childish in my opinion, especially if i didn't have my own
A PERFECT example of a glass car that is right on every level, and ran HARD is Don Moyers "Rebel Reaper" Willys......
Seen it run and was so impressed with the car i didn't even realize it was glass at first.......i just realized it was NICE.

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Good luck. I was partner with my brother on a 29 model A. Right up fromt it was apparent that we didn't see things the same. We dissolved the (car)partnership before our disagreements on how to proceed came to blows! Kep[t our friendship intact. He restored the car, I go visit him and drive it anytime I want. Didn't cost me a cent.

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Old 01-29-2009, 08:22 PM   #11
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Listen very careully to 29nash, as usual he is right on target.
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Old 01-29-2009, 08:32 PM   #12
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My car is a steel version. A friend has the first glass car made from the mold off of mine. I rode in his car this past summer and in my opinion it was as cool as hell. It didn't matter to me it wasn't steel, the thrill and accelleration all felt the same. Alot of the gassers that are out there are glass and at times it is not easy to tell the difference. His build time was probably half the time involved do to no rust issues or metal work. He has already been to some gasser events and been featured in Gasser Wars Magazine. I'm still buiding my chasis. Just do what feels right to you.
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Old 01-29-2009, 09:09 PM   #14
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they were doing glass bodies back in the day....i'm looking for a glass a roadster to build a drag car out of....because brookville is a little high to be cutting and hacking on to go and beat on....money is money , and thats the bottom line ....get the most for yours....
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I dislike glass cars .I would rather walk than build or drive a fake car .If I cannot afford steal I just wait .My last 2 cents
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Know what your saying about the 1/2 thing and yeh long ago I got that shirt also and wouldnt do it again
The cause is usally cash

This case is different money is not the issue, its going to be a purpose built car to take to events to showcase Our vintage Olds engines/parts and trans adaptors
And have a little fun
Body style needs to be proper as far as engine style is concerned
I was thinking 33willys/anglia because of car size and there are companys
making them in glass
With our time limits I didnt want to start with a body that was rotted to the windows
Body style hasnt been decided yet it just needs to fit with the 371 Olds powerplant theme
Our vintage Olds line of parts and complete engines and trans are the real deal and the focuse of the project

Dont mean to piss off some for not doing a search[I do search all the time]Ive spent most of my life circle track racing ,but the last few years I taken a real liking to this board and an interest in all types of hotrods
Some of you have gotten Olds parts and or advise from me and I hope ALL where happy.
I also have some big new items finished,And are in the process of testing now

All that said does glass make a period car fake?

Thanks guys ,and I know my typing sucks .....sorry

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"All that said does glass make a period car fake?"

Of course its fake...unless its a Corvette
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Build a glass car and beat the hell out of it doesn't matter they can bitch its glass all they want if they can beat ya! But my car is steel so it don't matter to me as long as its not passed off as a barnfind gasser and its known its built with glass its cool by me!
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Old 01-29-2009, 09:35 PM   #21
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Old 01-29-2009, 09:43 PM   #22
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It doesn't bother me, steel or glass.
good luck finding a nice steel 33 or 40 willys at a reasonable price
even the anglia's and austin's are getting hard to find
and expensive.
I had this thames many,many years ago and it was glass body, I would love to have it now
it was a gasser back around 1971 and even won "best appearing car" at the winter nats
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Old 01-29-2009, 09:48 PM   #23
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It doesn't bother me, steel or glass.
good luck finding a nice steel 33 or 40 willys at a reasonable price
even the anglia's and austin's are getting hard to find
and expensive.
I had this thames many,many years ago and it was glass, I would love to have it now Ron...







thanks for posting King Kong. I was looking for pictures of it to use for this thread. I couldn't find them. They ran fiberglass then, why not run it now. Looks real to me.
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I am so sick of the morons that say glass is fake etc. It's really old and been beat to death here. Especially when it comes to race cars. My Anglia is steel and the body was used to make a mold, and then a chopped mold, back in the day. This is one of the cars that used one of those body's and was a 2 time BB/GS points champion and pretty famous.
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Man I wish I had back some of my old stuff Ron...
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Serious racers have always used lightwieght bodies,
fibreglass has been around a long time, and before that Aluminum was favoured,
a steel body on a 'race' car would be about as 'Fake' as one could get.
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steel--glass......this is the worst waste of space here on the Hamb...i won't drive it i'ld walk...if it ain't steel it ain't real....i guess it's just how i see it...i started out glass...steel body fell on my head before i ordered a glass body..about 4 days before ..got really lucky cause it cost me half as much..up front...(thanks again my friend for pointing me to my body!!).a race car in steel if it ain't historical would be stupid..cut this off cut that off to save weight..glass race weight body is lighter right out of the gate...i build a glass topolino, ya still gonna tell me it's not a topolino??????????? what the fuck, ya blind?????????or just to un-educated to know what a topolino is?????
cutting up a good steel body to make a "new" race car...ok...sure....seems to me that the "pure-ists just seem to have too much money to spend....
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race car=glass
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Make the way you want! I would rather see a guy with a fiberglass car enjoying the hobby than a guy who "wait's till he can afforce steel" and that day never comes. Life is too short.

After all.....Is a steel body that has been cut or modified a "real" car?
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our shop is in the process of building a glass 41 willys right now. we looked at 2 steel bodys before we decided to go glass. both would have been better off to finish rusting away. but they were willys so im sure somebody saved them.and i would have to have sold my house to buy them.this car will be driven on the street and some on the strip,so i want it lite as possible. because of my health i need to get it done faster than normal time would allow.its still mde by americans in america. its still a american design.its still has to be tagged and i will still get tickets in it. so its made of glass instead of steel. its still REAL. if glass were avaiable back then whos to say they wouldnt have used it instead of steel just to save weight and maybe cost.if glass was there in henrys day and it was cheaper than steel, all then 32 3w coupes everyone loves so much today would be a hell of alot lighter cause he would have built them with glass instead of steel.after all, he was a buisnessman and saving money is what he was all about.anyway i will be able to spend our money on other parts instead of a small fortune fixing the body and i wont have to spend most of our time on the body.i wish it were steel but oh well!
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If somebody else's snobbery keeps you from having fun with a glass willys, you're into hot rods for the wrong reasons.

Do you know what strikes me as odd about the whole glass willys debate??????

Back then those were full effort race cars, akin to the carbon fiber skinned doorslammers of today. You can bet your ass if a glass body saves 4 lbs, and if full glass willys were available in the traditional era......the racers would've been snapping them up. That's right, our heroes would've been plastic. Interesting conflict.....
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If you're gonna use a "gasser" for it's traditional purpose, that means it's gonna see lots of track time. Track time equals more potential wrecks. Are you gonna take a car that is worth $50,000.00 (other folks estimate), then build it and take a chance of wrecking it? Or are you gonna take a glass body that you can get parts for and use it? On a scratch built car the choice is pretty clear to me.
As a side note, I wonder how many real $100,000.00+ hot rods are driven daily on the streets.
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I don't understand these comments about 'glass cars being "fake".
I was in high school in '66 when Big John Mazmainian built a 'glass Austin gasser. The '33 Willys body was already being laid up in 'glass, and, at the time, almost ALL of the T's that were at the drag strip were 'glass. By the '70's most of the Anglias at the strip were glass. Almquist had glass '32 bodies in their catalog in the very early '60's.
These cars have as much history as a steel car that would have been built at the time for the same purpose.
You can bet your bottom dollar that if some of the bodies that are available now had been available then you would see less steel and more glass bodies on those historic cars.
I have a 'glass '29 roadster. My first,and last, glass hot rod.
I think steel is easier to work with, and may be safer than glass, but glass cars aren't "fake". They are what they are, glass. Thanks, Mike
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This reminds me of that video of the blue steel Willys hitting the wall and rolling a few times.....it hurt to watch that. I'll be that guy wishes he would have left the good body at home and raced a glass one...
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Plenty of gassers in the mid to late 60's had glass bodies. Those who think a glass bodied drag car isn't period correct has no clue what period correct is. Then again to each his own. Go with glass, I wouldn't use a steel body on a fresh build of a nostalgia drag car unless I was fortunate enough to find a real one to restore and race.
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I intensly dislike glass unless it's actually old. I do however have a glass t bucket which is tons of fun. Go figure. Been in business 23 years, best advice I ever got was don't have a partner. Go figure.
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I don't understand these comments about 'glass cars being "fake".
I was in high school in '66 when Big John Mazmainian built a 'glass Austin gasser. The '33 Willys body was already being laid up in 'glass, and, at the time, almost ALL of the T's that were at the drag strip were 'glass. By the '70's most of the Anglias at the strip were glass. Almquist had glass '32 bodies in their catalog in the very early '60's.
These cars have as much history as a steel car that would have been built at the time for the same purpose.
You can bet your bottom dollar that if some of the bodies that are available now had been available then you would see less steel and more glass bodies on those historic cars.
I have a 'glass '29 roadster. My first,and last, glass hot rod.
I think steel is easier to work with, and may be safer than glass, but glass cars aren't "fake". They are what they are, glass. Thanks, Mike
This is my opinion drive what ever you want .I like 33 34 fords but if I find a glass car I will pass on it .Its like wearing fake jewelry some how not the same as real .And I have not found a way to weld glass .My Last 2 cents
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Are you and your buddy 'recreating' history, or are you building a HotRod?
IMO there are allready to many Steel Patina fake cars around. If a car has history, try to preserve it, if its new, build whatever you like. Nothing bugs me more than guys building a car from new parts and then try to pass it off as if it were a barnfind.
Wanna go fast within budget ?, why not glass !
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Make his half the body and you stick with the drivetrain, wreck the car, pull your stuff install in another and keep moving along. Your engine and name will be on the track while he will be looking for an original fender.
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Nope not the end off this story. There were way too many famous REAL Gasser's in the day that were Glass. And that's the end of the story!
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It depends on the "period" doesn't it? Early no such thing as glass. SWC and Maz weren't glass cars were they?
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It depends on the "period" doesn't it? Early no such thing as glass. SWC and Maz weren't glass cars were they?
It depends on which of their cars you're talking about. I don't think the glass cars got real popular until 67 or 68.
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Shouldn't matter steel or glass. A replica body for a replica car is fine, just don't confuse the two. Don't care for it when repro steel body people insist because it's steel it's real. It's still a replica. Won't say which is better, just different.

Went halves on a car once. Everything went fine until I needed money, he didn't. He wouldn't agree to sell and all of the sudden my half was worth crap. Happened about 30 years ago and still hurts today.

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What is the feeling if you saw a period gasser,33willys/anglia but the body was glass instead of steel?
Do you turn your nose up?
Is the car now fake?
I will be involved with a build with a friend soon,he says steel because everything he does he tries to be"proper"
I say glass because of expense and also when this car is built we will play with it hard
It is racing and you can destroy stuff
Bad enough to wall rash a glass car and I'd hate to see steel get mashed

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You can go either way. It's an on-going argument that steel is the ONLY way to go. I had a dream to build a 41 Willys for years. By the time I got around to it, a steel one of those cars was too expensive to be a viable option. Unwilling to give up on my dream, I built a really nice glass 41 Willys in a Gasser style car that was good enough for Jim A to write about, and do a nice article on, in Rod & Custom a few yrs ago. If I did NOT tell you what my 32 was made of, would it matter?

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It depends on the "period" doesn't it? Early no such thing as glass. SWC and Maz weren't glass cars were they?
There were glass bodies in the early 60's. 1964 NHRA allowed Glass body parts but it isn't real clear if they were yet allowing full bodies, but they definitely allowed them by 67 as I saw them first hand and they are well documented by 67.
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People used to ask me all the time if this was steel or glass. My response was, if you can't tell, to the point you need to ask, does it really matter then? I built this car from start to finish for thousands less than what just a beat up steel body would've cost. If we're talking about relatively similar costs, by all means STEEL. But, for the most part, it's usually a LOT of money seperating one from the other

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Bottom line! I've seen disgustingly UGLY steel cars, and BEAUTIFUL glass cars. And vica versa of course. I believe the "style" (or LACK of) is far more important than the material the body is made of.
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Shouldn't matter steel or glass.
Of course it matters.

... to the owner of the car, who makes his choice.


To the casual observer who has no commitment to the car ( in time, money or anything else ),
who gives a fuck what he thinks.


As far as period correct, glass was around since at least the '50s.

So it was only a mattter of time till it was going to be used on Racecars...
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Glass, poorly done, may have been around in the 50's but I don't think that there were glass Willys in the 50's.
I guess I don't think of 1964 as being old.
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but from the early 60's a lot of the cars had fiberglass frontends ,doors,rear fenders and deck lid, then some went to complete glass bodies to be lighter
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gonna race it? go with glass if so. if not and you can afford it, go steel.
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So if fiberglass cars are not real, then what would a brookville bodied car be? Its steel, but is it real?
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I think the question should be asked, can you find a steel 33 body??? Is it even a option???

I know a bunch of willys guys, the live and die for them, it like a secret society they live in.. One of them just sold a junk steel 33 coupe for 7K... For 7K you don;t get much other than a shell and 2 doors.... This thing was rolled down a hill 30 years ago and it looked like the Jolley Green Giant stepped on it...

I don't give a shit if it is glass or steel, it's how it's built. Take a real 32 ford and give it to the wrong guy and he's gonna' destroy it. Then give a glass 32 to a guy who knows what a traditional hot rod should look like and he'll do a glass car justice...

So if your at a show and see a really nice 32 roadster will the right stance and the right look the right color and interior your not gonna' like it because it's glass...????
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Nope not the end off this story. There were way too many famous REAL Gasser's in the day that were Glass. And that's the end of the story!
For the real "balls out" guys I can see weight saving is a major issue,and as others mention on this thread, from a distance you cannot tell,but there is something cool about saving an ugly duckling car from the scrap,making it look the nuts and run with the big dogs.It probably sways my judgement that I actually prefer a bit of battle scars on a rod or gasser
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Of course it matters.

... to the owner of the car, who makes his choice.


To the casual observer who has no commitment to the car ( in time, money or anything else ),
who gives a fuck what he thinks.


As far as period correct, glass was around since at least the '50s.

So it was only a mattter of time till it was going to be used on Racecars...
That's why it shouldn't matter. My choice is steel. If nobody liked glass bodies, nobody would make them.
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You can go either way. It's an on-going argument that steel is the ONLY way to go. I had a dream to build a 41 Willys for years. By the time I got around to it, a steel one of those cars was too expensive to be a viable option. Unwilling to give up on my dream, I built a really nice glass 41 Willys in a Gasser style car that was good enough for Jim A to write about, and do a nice article on, in Rod & Custom a few yrs ago. If I did NOT tell you what my 32 was made of, would it matter?
I am going out on a limb and risk being slammed, but anyone that does not like your car because it is glass is in the wrong hobby. They need to go to Pebble Beach and do a Rolls.

On the subject of a Willys...they did not make that many in the first place and if you think 32's are too high go look at what 30 grand will get you as a start for a Willys...not much or anything. The junk sells for even higher. You want to talk about a car that everyone likes but most will never be able to build unless it is glass...that is the Willys.

They are not like a 55 chevy, a car many love (including me) that even today you can get a decent deal on.
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i have no problem with a glass car. especially a race car.and its not like those steel willys coupes are easy to find or afford
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So then it matters.

If it didnt you'd be just as happy with one out of Balsa Wood or Paper Mache...

Its a major decission that affects everything about the build.
Price, build methodes, and how to take care of it once its done.
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Thought I'd throw in another glass Fiat for the hell of it.
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yep,but it looks like you had to have a steel one
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In my opinion either is fine. I got lucky and stumbled on my steel bodied car, but if it was fiberglass when I found it that would be O.K. also. They both serve the same purpose. Enjoyment!

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Mine is Glass too, used to think there is a difference, but any more a nice glass car can be a whole lotta more fun,.....for a lot less $$$$.

Mine is a Vintage Circa 1967 Contemporary Glass Thames, less of these that the orignal steel bodies. It was designed to be a flip top gasser. ................gets more looks than all the Camaros, Chevelles, and others i have owned.............been in a
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Bitchen. Looks like the motor is back quite a bit
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Mine is Glass too, used to think there is a difference, but any more a nice glass car can be a whole lotta more fun,.....for a lot less $$$$.

Mine is a Vintage Circa 1967 Contemporary Glass Thames, less of these that the orignal steel bodies. It was designed to be a flip top gasser. ................gets more looks than all the Camaros, Chevelles, and others i have owned.............been in a
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Yeah.... Engine damper is 4 " behind front axel, 90" wheel base, before the doghouse was installed I could put my foot on the left cylinder head. The wt balance is 54% Rear; 46% Front @ 2240lbs...............haven't had time to get to track with my crazy work schedule. Had to build chassis from scratch, started with a shell.
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The Steel car that made the mold for mine is in FRESNO, I bought the orignal chassis out of that car, a 1965 ET Auto Part Gasser....kinda cool has a narrowed Olds in it.....Chuck Finders that was not common in gasser days......got the picture with the frame.
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The Steel car that made the mold for mine is in FRESNO, I bought the orignal chassis out of that car, a 1965 ET Auto Part Gasser....kinda cool has a narrowed Olds in it.....Chuck Finders that was not common in gasser days......got the picture with the frame.
why didn't you use that chassis instead of building one ?
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You asked so ... COOL is COOL and I don't care what it's made from
I race hard and often. I've torn up steel and broken plastic. My MONEY is on the glass for real race stuff and steel for the street. It's your money go with what suits you
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Well ..................we could not find anything about the history for 2 years after I started. Nobody knew the car in Midwest so I went to the California Hot Rod Reunion with a book filled with photos.

The Gasser Wars Magazine Team & Mr. Austin- Rob Stuart & Dean Kirsten of Anglia Obsolete were a wealth of information. They called a bunch of people to look at the photos, and names started to appear. Ended up finding 3 different un-related people that worked at Contemporary at the time they were making bodies. Went and looked at the Steel Car the Last Day of the race, and saw the chassis, was interested, 3 years later got a call, come and get it if you want it for a great price.

I figure to run it now, have some fun with it, then possibly put the Thames chassis back under it.... when I street it......................Possibly go to Willy's Home Run..........Thompson if it does not rain again. Car is getting pretty good at the rain part. Drove in it for 8 hrs going back to illinois after that last Ohio trip.

Here is the heap as found, was in a Delivery Truck Body for > 20 years

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Here is a pic of my dad's FAKE Bantam A/ Fuel Altered, circa 1969. Funny how different cliques consider different things fake-

Our clique considered anything that didn't burn nitro, didn't go 200, or had doors fake...

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Glass fenders is one thing but glass body , NO NO NO !

Remember , " If it ain't steel , it ain't real " !

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I think the question should be asked, can you find a steel 33 body??? Is it even a option???

I know a bunch of willys guys, the live and die for them, it like a secret society they live in.. One of them just sold a junk steel 33 coupe for 7K... For 7K you don;t get much other than a shell and 2 doors.... This thing was rolled down a hill 30 years ago and it looked like the Jolley Green Giant stepped on it...

I don't give a shit if it is glass or steel, it's how it's built. Take a real 32 ford and give it to the wrong guy and he's gonna' destroy it. Then give a glass 32 to a guy who knows what a traditional hot rod should look like and he'll do a glass car justice...

So if your at a show and see a really nice 32 roadster will the right stance and the right look the right color and interior your not gonna' like it because it's glass...????
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You can go either way. It's an on-going argument that steel is the ONLY way to go. I had a dream to build a 41 Willys for years. By the time I got around to it, a steel one of those cars was too expensive to be a viable option. Unwilling to give up on my dream, I built a really nice glass 41 Willys in a Gasser style car that was good enough for Jim A to write about, and do a nice article on, in Rod & Custom a few yrs ago. If I did NOT tell you what my 32 was made of, would it matter?
Groucho, that 32, weather steel or glass is one bithcin car in my eyes. Doesn't matter what the body is made of in my eyes as long as you do it right for whatever build style you chose.
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they were doing glass bodies back in the day....i'm looking for a glass a roadster to build a drag car out of....because brookville is a little high to be cutting and hacking on to go and beat on....money is money , and thats the bottom line ....get the most for yours....

How many corncobs here act like they weren't? Too many.

Yes, they were doing glass bodies back in the 60's. The quality wasn't as good as todays bodies, but then does that mean you should build a shitty bodied gasser to be "PERIOD CORRECT"?

Promote the hobby, save the steel. Have fun, let the anal, Period Correct, Rent-a-cops who were really not busting ass on the cold hard ground bitch about it. They are truly small in number.
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Seems to me this discussion has shifted from Period Gassers to Street Cars, with all the same tired old arguments...

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i suspect you are really asking if your potential customers would be turned off by a glass body on your shop car. I don't think they would. I think whether or not it was well done would matter way more than what the body was made of.

I really would rather see cars that are raced have glass bodies. Leave the rare and irreplaceable steel for museum pieces. I saw an exhibition 41 Willys owned by a well known racer go on it's head a number of years ago at maple grove on it's debut run and slide through the traps on it's roof. Steel body. I think it was repaired, but it easily could have been made junk. I thought it was unfortunate to allow that to happen to steel, myself.

Racers didn't pick them because they were cool, they picked them because they worked and they were CHEAP. What's traditional about starting with a $30K piece of sheetmetal that was originally chosen in part because it was $100 and had no dents in it, and was capable of being driven home? If it was wrecked, you went and drove another one home and started over. Are we restorers or racers/rodders? Demanding absolute authenticity is for AACA judges.
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Are we restorers or racers/rodders?
I am a Restorer, a Racer, and a Hot Rodder.

I see absolutely no conflict in any of that...
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I am a Restorer, a Racer, and a Hot Rodder.

I see absolutely no conflict in any of that...
I am as well, and I give each it's appropriate due. Demanding that a newly built vehicle conform to an onlooker's expectations seems out of place when you call it a hot rod. If it's a recreation, a restoration, or an homage, then probably not.
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Id definantly go glass. Its still a fucking car thats pretty much the same. Think of all the bantam drag cars from the 60s made from glass. And you can find another glass body if you stuff it in the wall alot easier than a steel one.
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Here is a pic of my dad's FAKE Bantam A/ Fuel Altered, circa 1969. Funny how different cliques consider different things fake-

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Great Pic (Bantam Altereds were wicked - nothing fake about that. I think the fake B/S is from groups that want to create this "false sense' of value to their rusting hulks............at the end of the day, if you are not older than 40yrs/old you cannot even say you ever saw then win class or place these cars, as they were already stuffed in the sheds.

Most cannot remember windows filled with "class winner" decals, what did that mean? Those were the cars to watch, as they won the trophy for the class, then you ran off for eliminator title. The rest "went home on the trailer"......

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[quote=yoyodyne;3558617]i suspect you are really asking if your potential customers would be turned off by a glass body on your shop car. I don't think they would. I think whether or not it was well done would matter way more than what the body was made of.

I really would rather see cars that are raced have glass bodies. Leave the rare and irreplaceable steel for museum pieces.

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This is exactly how the conversation started when the idea of putting a car together can about
We dont want a clone,just a proper/period looking car with modern safety
equip,brakes,ect to put an early Rocket engine in and go play

I build unlimited big cube high rpm all aluminum Chevrolets,and they have a purpose

WE are also trying to make our early Olds engines user freindly with modern trans options,modern internals and MORE to be released soon
These engines are for your hotrods the way they should be and we dont want folks afraid because "But I want to drive my rod"

Its not that I wont build one cause if a guys paying I will ,BUT I say please leave the CRATE motors in the crate

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At least somebody is still interested in building Oldsmobiles!!! Thanks Goatroper02
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if it's your car do whatever you want with it. there was a rusted 41, i think, on here with a 50,000 dollar pricetag. whata waste of money. if i could build a whole glass one for the amount of money a steel body costs i would certainly do it. if some knucklehead doesn't like it tell him to get his own car

whats all this period junk anyway. if it wasn't built back then, it's always a fake.

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We have had both glass and steel. I always wanted a steel car so after 5 years of searching i found one. They aren't that easy to find. I built my gasser to basically drive on the streets. I don't want to race it because it's too valuable and parts are hard to come by and very expensive if you can find them at all. With the fiberglass car i never worried parts are only a phone call away and their not that expensive. So i now have a steel car that i'm always worried something will happen to and before i had a glass car that i drove everywhere and drove it hard with no worries. So i guess it's all a matter of what you want to do with it. The glass car was a very nice car that was featured in a few magazines but i'm very happy to now own a steel one. If i was going to build a car to race it would be glass. I don't have a problem with glass. It's all in what you can find and afford. Either way your riding.
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The very beginning of this thread was about a glass vs. steel gasser...33 Willys if I remember correctly. Well, by the end of the period...they were running glass bodied 33's...Merkel's, KS, Prock/Howell and others. Some were even flip tops. So if you are building a period correct gasser, especially a 33 willys...glass in my opinion would be perfectly appropritate. Look at the 33's that Rocky Pirrone's built., Glass...and perfect.

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your not too far from me.....make it glass and come out and play!
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Vintage historied 'glass Willys race car belongs to Ftroop here on the HAMB - any questions????



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yeah, nice car, but not worth much cause it's glass
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Yeah that willys is just one of those glass cars, it must not be real, you know "steel is real", I 'd love to have that not real car Ron....
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1) I have ALWAYS preferred steel cars
2) Fiberglass gassers have been period correct since drag racing was started - many of the cars raced were reproduced in fiberglass in the early 1960's
3) As Tony mentioned, look at this link of the Rebel Reaper - then do a Google search to see his final graphics:
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Very period correct looking gasser that is less than 2 years old. First saw this car up close at Detroit Autorama then a couple of months later charging hard down the 1/4 mile. I enjoy watching this car run hard with its AMC engine at Thompson, OH.
4) Race cars get damaged - roundy round or straight, they just do, fiberglass is cheaper to repair.

Period correct is relative - depends on what you want in a car. We build a lot of street/strip gassers and have some customers building reproductions of their steel cars so they don't tear them up. I deal a lot with old school and period correct customers who are building fiberglass due to cost. Just sold a gasser to a drag racer who has raced for 45 years.

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"fake" cars are like "fake" tits... If they look good ,and I can touch them, then they're real enough for me!!!
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Fiberglass bodies are SOOOoooo non-trad. If it's fiberglass, it's gay!!










If these guys had built steel cars, they would have been slow. My opinion is apparently contrary to most here - I think that REAL competitors only use steel if required by the rules.
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i agree that glass is fine for a period gasser - but the photos you showed are Altered's and a Funny Car.
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True. I was just making a point about fiberglass cars in general. They are very much "traditional" and fiberglass was preferred to steel anytime it was class-legal.
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True. I was just making a point about fiberglass cars in general. They are very much "traditional" and fiberglass was preferred to steel anytime it was class-legal.
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Wouldnt it be something to see a ALL METAL CORVETTE.. as apposed to Fibreglass. ..
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has anyone got a picture of that duck looking in the aeroplane window,pretty much saying,your joking,right??I mean I must have the wrong number,partner
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I think it is more important to use the right parts and stay within a set of guidelines for the build than to worry about the material of the body. Attention to detail and some research is what it is all about.

Will it be a history car? No. Will it be a "real" car? No... Will I care? No.

Build what you want, just make sure it makes sense... (parts, era, theme, etc..)

Some "steel snobs" have very, very ugly and confused cars, I'd rather a glass car that was "right" any day...
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Some "steel snobs" have very, very ugly and confused cars, I'd rather a glass car that was "right" any day...
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Here is my .02 since I go way out of my way to own only steel cars. If you are building a new race car then you should build a new glass car, If your restoring an old race car then it should be just as it was, glass or steel or half and half, its a restoration. If its a recreation then its up to you the builder/owner. if your a purist then it has to be real steel. What burns my ass is when I spend years collecting and searching out all the hard to find original parts to make my Willys all Willys and go to a car show and a guy tells me he has a car just like mine and its a glass car I just want to say, tell me which one part of your Willys is a Willys? And why does a glass Willys bring as much as a steel one or close to it? That would never happen in the Cobra world! Steel is real and glass make me itch! Bottom line is we all have different views and you need to thank God for that, can you amagine this world if we all thought the same!
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I think it is more important to use the right parts and stay within a set of guidelines for the build than to worry about the material of the body. Attention to detail and some research is what it is all about.

Will it be a history car? No. Will it be a "real" car? No... Will I care? No.

Build what you want, just make sure it makes sense... (parts, era, theme, etc..)

Some "steel snobs" have very, very ugly and confused cars, I'd rather a glass car that was "right" any day...
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Here's two cars that I built tribute/replicas of. (both originals were destroyed in wrecks) Both are from the 60's both were built with glass bodies. Would it have been correct to build them out of steel bodies? I don't think so.



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Wouldnt it be something to see a ALL METAL CORVETTE.. as apposed to Fibreglass. ..
you mean they never made a real Vette?
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Here it is.

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Okay.. so there was one.. ..

How about a VW Beetle with a 40 Ford Fibreglass front end..??
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Rocky "Boss Hydro" - GOING to March Meet or CHRR Show this year?

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Doesn't look, too many projects going on and too little cash to travel too...!
The CHRR isn't out of the question yet..... Have fun at the March Meet...!
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That is why I would say plastic would be fine, If a wreck happens " I hope that it wouldnt" but it happens ,at least another steel car wouldnt be destroyed
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HEY boss Hydro whose body do you use for your 33's and If you don't mind how much does a body go for???? Ron...

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You building it for you, or "them"? If it is for you, build what you want/can afford and screw "them". If you are building it for "them", fukking grow a pair and quit being a follower.
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When you restore a historical race car, I don't care if its glass or steel, it would be a disaster to see it wadded up. The Boss Hydro and K.S. Pittman cars are both recreation/tributes, I wouldn't run them as much as I do if they were the originals.

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First, is a '33 steel body available? I'm sure a 'glass one is more abundant. If you're going to build the car to race, lighter is better. Remember why they went to 'glass parts initially and ultimately the whole body? I've yet to see a steel digger or F/C...

Second, build what you want, like, have and can afford. Screw what someone else thinks. Just keep it looking like a Gasser - stance, tires, engine, paint job, lettering, etc.

Third, would you rather wad up a 'glass or steel car on the track? (which I hope you don't).

Life's too short to contemplate all these decisions. Before you know it, you'll be too old and nothing's done. Just do it with what you have.

I have a steel Willys and won't run it because I don't have the heart to wad it up - and I could never replace it. People don't think much about my decision but screw what they think as I'm not going to sacrifice myself for their pleasure of seeing it run (and possibly get wrecked). I'm sure people aren't going to come and bring donations to have it rebuilt should it get damaged. Instead I'm building another Gasser to run. VY
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I don't understand these comments about 'glass cars being "fake".
I was in high school in '66 when Big John Mazmainian built a 'glass Austin gasser. The '33 Willys body was already being laid up in 'glass, and, at the time, almost ALL of the T's that were at the drag strip were 'glass. By the '70's most of the Anglias at the strip were glass. Almquist had glass '32 bodies in their catalog in the very early '60's.
These cars have as much history as a steel car that would have been built at the time for the same purpose.
You can bet your bottom dollar that if some of the bodies that are available now had been available then you would see less steel and more glass bodies on those historic cars.
I have a 'glass '29 roadster. My first,and last, glass hot rod.
I think steel is easier to work with, and may be safer than glass, but glass cars aren't "fake". They are what they are, glass. Thanks, Mike
Perhaps some one knows when the very first glass reproduction body was used in racing? (excluding OEM cars like vettes?). That date should answer your question, eh? I suspect glass bodies were about either light weight, recreating bodies too hard to find, or building custom racing bodies with the modifications desired. Go tell all the old gasser, altered, comp coupe or funny car drivers who ever raced that their cars are fake. Gary
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Old 02-08-2009, 01:13 PM   #127
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With new steel 55 and 57 chevys, 32 and 34 Fords, camaros, cobras, and mustangs I have a strong feeling the 40-42 willys body will be built someday. Most of the cars they are doing in steel can still be bought somewhat easily and the Willys has always been very popular. When the economy bounces back maybe it will happen. I have heard for years that people are working on such a thing.
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Perhaps some one knows when the very first glass reproduction body was used in racing? (excluding OEM cars like vettes?). That date should answer your question, eh? I suspect glass bodies were about either light weight, recreating bodies too hard to find, or building custom racing bodies with the modifications desired. Go tell all the old gasser, altered, comp coupe or funny car drivers who ever raced that their cars are fake. Gary
I believe the first full fiberglass body was done by Dee Wescott in the late 50's. He died last week. It was a Model A coupe.
There were several early roadster bodies done of '23 T's and Austin Bantam roadsters by Cal Automotive, Fiberglass Trends and others in the LA area.

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With new steel 55 and 57 chevys, 32 and 34 Fords, camaros, cobras, and mustangs I have a strong feeling the 40-42 willys body will be built someday. Most of the cars they are doing in steel can still be bought somewhat easily and the Willys has always been very popular. When the economy bounces back maybe it will happen. I have heard for years that people are working on such a thing.
It's been done. $50 k for the body - you provide an original cowl.
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Perhaps some one knows when the very first glass reproduction body was used in racing? (excluding OEM cars like vettes?). That date should answer your question, eh? I suspect glass bodies were about either light weight, recreating bodies too hard to find, or building custom racing bodies with the modifications desired. Go tell all the old gasser, altered, comp coupe or funny car drivers who ever raced that their cars are fake. Gary
The earliest mention of 'glass, or "plastic" bodies in my reference materials is in the September 1955 Hot Rod magazine. There is an ad on page 49 for the Victress co. in North Hollywood with dragster bodies and their "sports" style car bodies.
Could be earlier references, but that's the first I have.
I'm still looking in my stuff for a reference to the famous "Speed Sport roadster" in '55 that had a glass T body, I'm sure I have it somewhere, but I haven't been able to find it.
I have a copy of "Griffith Borgeson on HOT RODS" printed in '59 that has several different fiberglass body companies, including Kellson, and Roth himself. I'm still looking.......Thanks, Mike
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So , I'm thinkin' "What the hell" we are all full of opinions here, let's do some research.
Earliest reference I can find to a bona fide Ford style reproduction body is Ed Almquist's "EL DEUCE" that was introduced in 1959-60.
Ed Almquist, out of Milford Pa. had one of the first mail order speed equipment companies, and started selling fiberglass "sports style" bodies in the mid '50's.
He introduced the "el deuce" after requests from customers complaining (even then) about how hard '32 roadsters were to find.
The body had no working doors, but it did have a molded in dash, and little pods in the rear for exhaust to exit from. It weighed 45 pounds, and cost a whopping $175.00 in 1960.
I got all this from the Kit Car people, who apparently have researched the history of fiberglass bodies pretty well. How cool would it be to find one of those jewels?
Now we are all experts on the history of 'glass bodies.
This is what happens when you ask an old retired geezer a question on a rainy day!
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I have a choice, tilt one piece Harwood, or origional steel with traditional opening hood on my 55' straight axle 55' chevy. My opinion is in primer with period logos and stickers use the glass tilt. Easy access and nice exposure to the mill, this case 427 with injection, make the car lazer straight in lacquer with sbc and 2 fours use the origional steel . Look and function help yo make your decisions, of course cost is a big factor, and value when its finished. Life is short, get er' done!
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So if you had a steel shell and used glass doors and front clip where do you fit in, other than a guy having lots of fun ?
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Neat info. So would you "guess" that the first "gassers in glass" were really post 1960, unless an old vette body was used? Probably a lot of altered Ts and Bantams before that.

Next we need to find out who did the first fat fendered glass gassers (Willys, etc) used by the gassers. And if they were done by specialty companies or by the racers themselves? Gary
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I'll get back with you on that...........M
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So if you had a steel shell and used glass doors and front clip where do you fit in, other than a guy having lots of fun ?
The Filthy Forty was equipped that way, P&H did their own 'glass. When were those parts made? '63?
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As long as it has proper stance and equipment, I could care less. Obviously steel is real, but a steel `41 also costs $40k+, just for the body. And glass is easier and cheaper to repair.

My `55, soon to be gasser, is all steel. I may get a tilt glass frontend for it eventually, but that is 500 bucks I could spend elsewhere...
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Who gives a shit?! Build what you can afford and what fits in your timeframe (if you have one) I'd rather be out wheelie-ing my glass bodied willys having fun while the "other guy" is too afraid he'll smash his or he is still talking about finding one because all of the steel bodies go for too much $.
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I remember a guy with a 32 Ford, a nice car, made the cover of some magazines. He was always saying "My car is all steel", everytime you would talk to him, "My cars all steel", all you could get out of him was "My cars all steel". Hey how you doin', "My cars all steel". BFD. He sounded like a broken record. One day I punched him, he mumbled, "Hey, I got a glass jaw!"
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This reminds me of the wooden boat crowd with their T shirts saying "If God had wanted fiberglass boats He would have made fiberglass trees!"
I bought an Austin bantam rodster body in 1968. I am sure they were building them long before I bought one. It came from Anderson Industries. Many 60s drag cars were glass. Me I am into wood now. (not really it will be copied in aluminum. )
Why would one care what someone else thought? Steel guys like steel. Glass guys like glass and the rest of us just want to go racing. Since grandpa didnt leave the 40 Willys in the barn for us we do the best we can. There is always some idiot that will critizie whatever you do. That's why when we get older we get deaf. Tis a mixed blessing.
I would feel funny duplicating a restoration in glass. That would bother me. But that may be just me. I think a resto should be steel but a race car? For what reason? But I know those of you fortunate enough to have found one in steel are sure the rest of us are lazy or stupid. However we may be wondering why anyone would take a steel body from a classic car and trash it as a race car. I am so old I remember when funny cars had steel bodies. I even remember what Polish Acid Dippping was.
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Found something interesting today in my research.
Up until '62, the NHRA required gassers to be licenced and registered! With all lights and full interiors.
Would have made a perpose built car kind of hard to get past tech.
As best I can surmise, custom built race frames wern't allowed in the gas classes until. '68. Still haven't found a reference to the first ALL 'glass Willys yet. I'm still looking..........M
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Here's a picture of George Montgomerys Willys (out of Don Montgomery's Supercharged Gasd Coupes) in 1960, the first year they made rules to seperate the blown cars from the others. In 1964 (first rule book I have), there is no mention of tags or registration. Mufflers and pipes were optional.

The 66 NHRA rulebooks says no fiberglass bodies in gas classes, the 71 rulebook says fiberglass bodies in the supercharged classes were ok. The first reference I can find for glass bodied cars is Herrera & Sons Austin in mid 68. The only trouble with finding a glass Willys, Anglia, or Austin after that is that the classes were starting to be taken over by "late model" Mustangs, Barracuda's, etc. around that time.

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BTW,
During the hayday of gassers, lots of folks were match racing or running other associations that weren't NHRA sanctioned. So if you want to talk "outlaw" gassers all of the NHRA rules were out the window. I've seen matchrace gassers that were center steer and 4 cars that match raced even ran Nitro, so............. I guess it depends on how far you wanted to bend the rules as to what was called a Gasser, kinda like now! LOL
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I agree that 1968 was the biggest change for Super Charged Gas Cars. Modern Bodies were allowed but all gasser class cars had to have opening doors even if they were flip top bodies. (KING KONG THAMES) ex. I would have to look at the F-Troop as well.................I believe the OEM's Chev,Chrys, Ford pushed the modern bodies into the class.
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This altered belongs a couple of my friends, and no one cares that it is a glass body. The car runs 7.30s, and is entertaining as hell to watch. If you build something cool & fast, people will love it.
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Fiberglass 33 Willys Coupe bodies were available in 1966.
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Does anybody know what the difference ia between old Glass and new?

I've worked on old ( '50s and '60s ) fiberglass cars before and it smells completely different.
Seems different to cut as well.. (more brittle?)

Are they using a differernt formula, or will new Glass be like that in half a century?
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You know i'm going to say steel and we will keep buying every project coupe we can get are hands on
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I think it gets more brittle over time... think 20 year old hot tub thats been sitting in the sun, empty, with no cover. Just my slightly educated guess. You can be pretty sure the formula's changed in the past 40-50 years though.
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I've worked on old ( '50s and '60s ) fiberglass cars before and it smells completely different.
Seems different to cut as well.. (more brittle?)

Are they using a differernt formula, or will new Glass be like that in half a century?
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Here is my .02...... ...... What burns my ass is when I spend years collecting and searching out all the hard to find original parts to make my Willys all Willys and go to a car show and a guy tells me he has a car just like mine and its a glass car I just want to say, tell me which one part of your Willys is a Willys?
And just what difference does it make to anybody but you? Are you just pissed because you put all that work into your car and it looks or rides no better than a 'glass car that cost a fraction of the price/time to build?

Or is it just 'the principal'?
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You know i'm going to say steel and we will keep buying every project coupe we can get are hands on
WOW must be nice to have unlimited $$$$$$$$$

send some my way and I can have a steel willys too
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Vintage tin is to fiberglass body

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Nice 'mature' rack is to silicone tits

Regardless of what or how they show up any of the above are bound to put a smile on your face.
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I agree..............sumthin like that.

Just think if fiberglass was never invented, no flip top funny cars....................yikes, boats made of wood................maintenance,..............corv ettes?
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Neat info. So would you "guess" that the first "gassers in glass" were really post 1960, unless an old vette body was used? Probably a lot of altered Ts and Bantams before that.

Next we need to find out who did the first fat fendered glass gassers (Willys, etc) used by the gassers. And if they were done by specialty companies or by the racers themselves? Gary
Dave Koeffel had a fiberglass front for the original Flintstone Flyer done in 61/62 ish.

I'm sure Ed Roth caught alot of shit "back in the day" for making "tupperware" cars too, huh?

BTW, does anyone know of a company that repops Bantam Coupe (30/31) bodies in 'glass? Not hard to see where my allegiance lies, is it?

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Glass makes a good lookin' car and is waaaaaaay cheaper than steel so I gotta tip my hat to the companies that provide glass bodies.
As to whether a Brookville or similar steel body is any more "real" than fiberglass......NO it isn't, it is still a repro no matter if it is made of steel or friggin gold for that matter.
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A lot of the big names ran fiberglass cars in the 60's.
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Granted,shall we start a list of classic steel gassers?I don.t beleive they would would have the same cult status if the class had been all glass cars.The mistique is guys took normal old tin and turned them into something bitchin',and pretty quick with it.
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........The mistique is guys took normal old tin and turned them into something bitchin',and pretty quick with it.

I think you got that backwards. The end goal was to be the quickest and baddest in the class. You did whatever it took, if fiberglass was quickest and legal, you ran fiberglass. Looking bitchen and running pretty quick, just got you put on the trailer.
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I believe the Fiberglass allowed you to place the weight where it would improve the acceleration of the car. The Weight Break per class was the same, so the other advantage was fitting into a particular gas class.

Similarly OEM use of aluminum fenders, fiberglass hoods and aluminum bumpers on AFX or Super Stockers put more wt on the rear axel, and possibly putting them into a lower class as well. ...............I wonder if a Factory Light Weight Car owner feels left out when his 409 Z-11 is out classed by a 283" power glide "real steel" car?????
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Anyone got a steel funny car body kicking around???
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Old 04-03-2009, 02:32 PM   #167
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The 39 stude I used to own was steel with a glass tilt nose
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Old 04-03-2009, 04:21 PM   #168
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All glass 57 Pontiac - #2 in fact and perhaps the only two that ever existed.
#1 hit the guard rail at Famoso while cruising along at who knows and clocked 157 mph when the big pieces went through the traps.
Total loss.


Very high 7's with the car in the pic last I heard.

Low 8's most times.


Aside from all the Internet cyber whining, the only people who pursue this argument in person are steel car owners who are trying to make themselves feel better.

For what, I dunno, but it seems they're the ones with the inferiority complex....
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Old 07-13-2009, 08:42 PM   #169
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Well I guess those tri-5 Chevys with flip up front ends are "half glassed". And what about the 57' Chevy and Camaro steel repops? Are they not real? How about a Morrison chassised tri-5? Is it not a real Chevy anymore? What about those old wild Customs? Impurity is what drove their styling. And racing, be it vintage or not was never pure. Perfomance rules that world and to be sure if today's bodies and new Gasser chassis had been available they would have used them. The Reno Air Race crowd is going through this deilema right now because of cutting up the precious few warbirds left for racers. We have to decide where we draw our own lines. Some guys are OK with a face lift on their wives but not OK with implants.....Oh, and I respect the fine work of some kit car builders..........and some guys are OK with a rubber doll.
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Old 12-06-2009, 09:40 PM   #170
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So is the desired build date/period pre 1968, or worse yet, pre 1962? If so, you are stuck with steel. If later to include rat motors and such, glass is fine. You need to give a bit more info?
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Old 01-19-2014, 05:51 PM   #171
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Here's my take on this if anybody cares. First off mine is glass for the reasons already talked about on here. I wish it was steel but when I looked at Gene Cromers willys taken apart the way it was when we took it out of the shed the only part that was not glass was the top, 2 little tiny strips that run down between the rear quarters and deck lid and around to the other side and the door jams. Again I would rather have steel but for those who have seen how I hammer on it the willys gods are probably glad that it is glass. I have included a video of the day we took the Moonlighter out of the shed notice the deck lid is glass and the floor is aluminum and that was the only steel on the car even the rockers were glass and he built it somewhere around 1964.
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Old 01-21-2014, 05:00 AM   #172
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Hi Tony:you know our group you run with us at the various meets,our cars are a mixture from the AA'S down, of both body materials do we not have a blast I know it matters not to us the material the body is made of I do believe it will only matter to you and would suggest you settle only for what you really want so as to have no regrets later I know if you build one it will be cool.ps,were a little short on 41's plenty of 33's HA,hA;Dave
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Old 01-21-2014, 07:08 AM   #173
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It only matters to you and it represents the period your are looking for it's perfect!(facsimile) enjoy!
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Old 01-21-2014, 07:22 AM   #174
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I am clearly in the minority here, but I say glass is fine. As long as you are hot rodding or racing you are keeping the hobby alive! Over my many years I have owned both. Both have their place, I am planning on building a 20's like hot rod roadster this year after I sell my '64 Impala Convertible.

I would hate to cut up and modify one of the few remaining examples of a real doorless open model T truck to build my Ralph Malph Chickmobie like Rod. I am gleefully going with glass and somebody else's frame (I can't make my own, I want this to be a year project not 10).

Hell, I might even paint fake rust on it and put set of '57 Lincoln V8 valve covers on my 327 small block Chevy. If it makes me happy, then that is all that matters!

Is it real? Hell yes it is! When I smoke some steel rod pieced together with ancient junk parts while making my 11 second quarter mile pass on street tires it will seem real to you too... Just sayin....
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Old 01-21-2014, 07:41 AM   #175
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BTW, does anyone know of a company that repops Bantam Coupe (30/31) bodies in 'glass?
http://www.usbody.com/

Here's a carbon fiber '55 with a vinyl wrap
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http://www.usbody.com/

Here's a carbon fiber '55 with a vinyl wrap
WHAT? THAT is a vinyl wrap? Really?
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WHAT? THAT is a vinyl wrap? Really?
http://www.vinylwraps.com.au/racev.html third row
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Old 01-21-2014, 10:12 AM   #178
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STEEL IS REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Id rather have a steel car with long wheelie bars than a glass car with short wheelie bars IF the question is witch is more authenic........
For the record, it dont matter because the ONLY REAL AUTHENIC CARS NOT UPDATED DONT RACE, pieorid. Every nostiliga racer has new parts on their car....motor, tires,trans. So you cant race a original with original parts
I have a glass bathtub that looks like a old clawfoot verson, is it new, old or something I soak weary body in, I dont cars as long as Im clean when I get out.
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Old 01-21-2014, 10:13 AM   #179
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STEEL IS REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Id rather have a steel car with long wheelie bars than a glass car with short wheelie bars IF the question is witch is more authenic........
For the record, it dont matter because the ONLY REAL AUTHENIC CARS NOT UPDATED DONT RACE, pieorid. Every nostiliga racer has new parts on their car....motor, tires,trans. So you cant race a original with original parts
I have a glass bathtub that looks like a old clawfoot verson, is it new, old or something I soak my weary body in, I dont cars as long as Im clean when I get out.
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Old 01-21-2014, 10:14 AM   #180
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How the hell did I quote myself ????
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Old 01-21-2014, 10:29 AM   #181
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go glass , its an all out race car , not a show piece .the 33 willys would be kick ass .
unless its a leftover or barnfind, its just a period styled car anyways , I love doung mine to period, even before it was cool but its still just a tribute . my gasser will have a priper cafe and disc brakes , it will have the look and a period engine but safety is kinda important
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Old 01-21-2014, 11:41 AM   #182
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I used to have a T Bucket. I don't recall anyone ever asking if it was steel or glass as most are glass.

My 33 Willys is glass. I dig the hell out of it. Simple as that!
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Old 01-21-2014, 05:56 PM   #183
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i don't mind fiberglass but hate vinyl wrap and patina, go with glossy paint hand lettered and gold or silver leaf on the boat i help on has vinyl it cost 1/2 the price of paint and it's easier to match and faster to do after a repair
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Steel !!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 01-21-2014, 07:38 PM   #185
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Glass.

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Old 01-21-2014, 07:53 PM   #186
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Rotten johnny is 100% right. My feeling also!! My 2 cents also.
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Old 01-21-2014, 10:12 PM   #187
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Both of my cars are steel, but only because I found them cheap and glass would be more money. If I wanted a really rare car that was more affordable in fiberglass, I wouldn't hesitate to go that route.
For me it's a decision based on my checkbook, not my gut.
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Old 01-22-2014, 10:42 AM   #188
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A long time ago Ryan said 'glass cars don't have any soul. Good point, and it's hard to explain how when you're working on an 80yr old car body how you somehow feel that history, wonder about where it's been and all the roads it has seen.

But for a race car, I'd be too scared of stacking it up and smashing all that soul...haha

I got no problems with glass, especially if you're racing it.
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