Dan Webb's Golden Sub

[hemifarris]

-This morning I visited my friend, Dan Webb and his Daughter Ashley at their shop. As you may, or may not, know Dan is nearing the completion of his interpretation of Harry Miller's "Golden Submarine"
-Whereas the original "Sub" was (duh) a shade of gold, Dan's car will remain entirely natural steel, aluminum, brass and titanium. The motor is a 400 horsepower Ford Racing 4 cylinder that runs on alcohol.It has an enclosed drivehaft,a billet in-and-out box and a billet quickchange. The car weighs less than 1,000 pounds! Here's a sneak peak at what will debut at S.E.M.A.
-Hopefully Dan won't mind my posting my photos.....Mike
MORE PICTURES COMING.....

[5wbomber]

holy shit. great work he does..

[Tman]

Truly amazing!

[Crazydaddyo]

WOW......WOW...... no other word, sorry.

[Littleman]

The definition of Craftsmanship.............Littleman

[Drewfus]

he continues to set the benchmark of class and outstanding workmanship...

That is beyond being art, that is brilliance, Hot Rodding at its best.

Cheers,

Drewfus

[mottsrods]

Absolutely beautiful...........great lines.........perfect. A true craftsman.....

Mott

[Blackie]

Wow... Been wanting to see the body for a long time. I'm floored.

[Randomrodder]

Gorgeous craftsmanship.

[woodys garage]

I have been in love with the original, but this gets my motor running!! Man, I wish I could stop by and see something like that being built, Woody.
Living on an island in Nebraska

[John Denich]

WOW I am speechless THAT IS A WORK OF ART!!!!!!

[Chaz]

Saw it in progress in Detroit. I hung around it till I was afraid I'd be arrested as a stalker. I am Heading to SEMA to see it done. It may well be the most beautiful piece of automotive work I'll see in my lifetime.

[Ron Mayes]

Originally Posted by timebomb

WOW I am speechless THAT IS A WORK OF ART!!!!!!

what he said

[dickster27]

That sheet metal work and the design are the caliber of genius. Man-O-man that is so very "kool beans".

[Malcolm]

Awesome, awesome car! Unbelievable.

I found a few 'under construction' photos in an old email - hope you don't mind me adding them to this thread ....

Malcolm

[cuznbrucie]

Killer ride!!! One of the best I've seen........and, what the hell......it does have *Golden Knockoffs!*


CB

[vendettaautofab]

damn... i am lost for words...

[hemifarris]

-I know that a lot of guys/gals got their juices flowing talking about Posie's new S.E.M.A. car but Dan's car must be seen in person to be believed. It's truly a 21st century build! ..........Did I mention it's 41" tall?
-Here's several more pictures with 3 more to come.The opening in the left hood side is for the Schroeder drag link/steering box from Dan's good friend Gary Schroeder, who happens to own several real Millers.
-Kudos to Dan Webb, Thom Taylor and Craig Naff for their efforts.

[sawzall]

WOW..

art...

[smittyshotrods]

Wow, I don't know what to say, amazing! Can't wait to see it at SEMA.

[jimdillon]

I saw it in progress at Autorama and spoke to Craig. He certainly has a passion as I am sure does Dan Webb. Great piece. The attention to detail was an I am sure is incredible.-Jim

[hemifarris]

Several more........

[JimSibley]

That car is just freakin perfect. Its like what posie tries to pull off with the flair of steve moal.

[Kiwi Kev]

Spectacular!!!

[hemifarris]

Four more.....Be sure to click onto the photos to enlarge.

-Note the detail of the bodyline extension on the grille's edge.............Mike

[The37Kid]

Thanks for posting the photos, I've seen the recreation Barny Oldfield's, but has taken things to a different level.

[speedtool]

Dang. Dan just set the bar higher. Nice piece of work!

[29 bones]

that is great..... nice work!!!!

[tisdelski]

thats an amazing level of workmanship !!

too bad they decided on running a in-out box, it won`t be real drivable.

gary

[Mac the Yankee]

I can't wait to see that in motion- it would be awsome to run it alongside the copy of the original Golden Sub at the next Miller reunion!!!

Dan Webb's work on this has been a pleasure to the eyes since it's inception!

[BCR]

Wow, just wow. Craig Naff is the ruler. I saw it at Detroit and couldn't stop taking pics of it. Wish SEMA was in the cards just so I could see it. Thanks for posting this.

[hemifarris]

Several more pics, including the original car and a Thom Taylor rendering of the new one before the build started...............Mike

If you'd like a larger single photo e-mail me........... hemifarris@aol.com

[Dreddybear]

Most awesome. It has "IT". Totally would drive the shit out of it.

[rustydeuce]

Wow! That is cool.

[gnichols]

Amazing work. But did I hear the "B" word? I'm surprised this car won't debut at Detroit and contend for the Ridler... wasn't that award origionally for race cars?

[Rich Venza]

Be still my heart...

[kscuda]

A true craftsman doing a true work of ART

[retroridesbyrich]

Amazing

[publicenemy1925]

Impressive beyond belief!

[Kreepea_1]

Man I'm really digging that mechanical look!

[brady1929]

incredible!

[tommy]

Words escape me. I'm just dumb struck. (more than the usual)

This is a print of the original poster when they barn stormed the country with the original.

[oldandkrusty]

i could live to be an age that would make Methuzalah seem like a mere lad and work every day of that life at shaping metal and still not have one iota of the talent that Dan holds in his little pinky. A true genius...

I can't wait to get to SEMA to check out this completed work of art.

Does anyone know which exhibitor will be the "chosen one?"

[SuperFleye]

amazing car! looks like he did one hell of a job building it

[Conder]

Unreal.

[63fdsnr]

hemifarris, thanks for the latest pictures. An amazing piece of art - each detail shows the vision and skill of the builder, Dan Webb. No doubt we will see more photos when it is completed and driven on a track - Indy comes to mind.

[Weasel]

Originally Posted by gnichols

Amazing work. But did I hear the "B" word? I'm surprised this car won't debut at Detroit and contend for the Ridler... wasn't that award origionally for race cars?

Dan showed the in-progress work at the Detroit Autorama and, as I understand it, the Ridler Award is for cars that have never been shown in public, so the car is not eligible. To me it is so totally cool to blow everything else out of the water and yet have no interest in trophies. How could you ever award a trophy that would do this masterpiece justice?

And as for raising the bar, hardly, Dan and Craig just invented a new bar.

[meteor]

wow, that is incredible. Hope to see it in person one day.

[kustoms2]

Just curious does anybody know how much time was invested in that piece of rolling art? The detail and craftsmanship is just unbelievable, I would love to see it in person!!

[xderelict]

I saved these from a Detroit show thread.I think HRLC took them.This car leaves me speachless........................................ ........................................

[Royalshifter]

Beautiful, I would love to see that in person. I wish I had just .02% of his talent and vision.

[Plowboy]

Wow! It is almost a shame to cover up that chassis though....I stared at it forever when it was at Detroit.

[Limey Steve]

Spectacular in EVERY way , style with restraint , automotive perfection in design & execution.( I like it )

[Graham08]

Amazing car. Makes me want to throw my junk away and start over!

[Fiorano]

and this was built for the love of the Automobile, the racer, and all that is cool about when Men were Men and the brave were honored, and driving wasn't just for latte sipping cell phone chatting asshats in a top heavy road hogging topheavy dangerous thing ruining the roads for what they were meant for...

[Chris Baker]

stunning.

[Kevin Lee]

It's just great.

Hat's off to Dan Webb and whomever has helped you along the way.

[wlspdshop]

.....Just amazing

[TRuss]

The photos from Detroit were amazing. This thing just keeps getting better. it's almost hard to believe.

[pan-dragger]

wow, love the perimeter disc brakes

[KCsledz]

Absolutely off the charts incredible!

[Strange Agent]

Holy smokes! That's some hardcore stuff right there.

[3wLarry]

hey Mike, are those Lucas tires? I see the fronts are 4.75/5.00x18...what are the rears?

[JeffreyJames]

Beautiful, I love the Grille Shell amongst all of the other things.

[Kilroy]

Evil... Carsonophied...

And maybe the most interesting hot rod of the last 30-40 years. Unless it never sees any road time.

[BigWigRaceCars]

Amazing! I really can't even get my head around how much time (and skill) that must have taken.

[Jeem]

HOMINUH, Hominuh, hominuh, hominuh.......

That, absolutely, looks like some form of evil, death implementation with a lot of sex thrown in. Am I over thinking this? Maybe, but dang.......

Cool that it's going to stay in it's natural finishes, BUT the rootbeer gold in Thom's rendering is pretty swank too.

[fab32]

Thanks Mike for posting this. I to am anxious to see it in final stage. When it was at Detroit (the chassis) you could hardly get close enough to see it. With Dan's affection for the Miller cars and Craigs master metal working skills it will be a long time before this one is topped.

Frank

[flatheadpete]

I was over Dan's yesterday. All I can say is wow. He keeps saying this is the best he can do. He said that on Ashley's car....and his Duece coupe....and probably his Ridler car 18 yrs. ago.
The more ya look at it, the more fine details jump out at ya. Really cool. Whole lotta room in it, too!

[flatheadpete]

Originally Posted by 3wLarry

hey Mike, are those Lucas tires? I see the fronts are 4.75/5.00x18...what are the rears?

The tires ar Excelsior race tires. 18's up front and 20's out back. Custom Daytons help 'em roll.

[Big A]

It looks awesome and the workmanship is obviously outstanding. It's beautiful.

Will it steer? The front wheels look too close to the body for any functional steering.

[C9]

Metal craftsmanship to a high level.

Beautiful.


400 HP and 1000#.

My calculations show just over 170 mph in the quarter and about an 8 second flat ET . . . if he can get the power to the ground.


Any idea what the original weighed or the mph it turned?

[3wLarry]

Originally Posted by flatheadpete

The tires ar Excelsior race tires. 18's up front and 20's out back. Custom Daytons help 'em roll.

thank you!

[flatheadpete]

The original was actually quite large.....don't know any specs but early picas of it, (it was built in 1917) with people near it show it shoulder high on an average guy. The body was stripped off it in I think 1919 because of a clausterphobic driver that crashed it on it's side and couldn't get out. It ran a few different engines until it was destroyed. Pretty cool to know Dan and learn all this stuff. Now, if I could only 'borrow' his Miller Dynasty book for a few years....

[RFH1931]

This is an awsome display of talent.
I'll bet 91 years from now,it will be real hard to top this with another
interpretation.
Hats off to everyone involved...

[50Fraud]

Originally Posted by flatheadpete

The body was stripped off it in I think 1919 because of a clausterphobic driver that crashed it on it's side and couldn't get out.

Pretty sure the driver was Barney Oldfield. I think he commissioned the car from Miller in the first place.

[kustombuilder]

KILLER!! been meaning to get that way and check out the progress.

[Asphalt Outlaw Hero]

That's really slick! In the 2007 Great American Race, a guy had a replica he had built.It was nice but boy was it hot inside of it.I can't wait to see this one when it is finished.

[DoubleUc]

found some old pic that I thought might add to it all...somehow words can't wrap around the feelings that this car had and now has for me too. and yes this was commissioned and campaigned by Barney Oldfield and brought Miller his first fame as a car builder.

[ash]

I just want to thank everyone for the kind words.. This has been such an awesome project to watch grow daily.. Keep the kind words coming, I keep reading all the kind posts to the guys to keep them motivated while working these long hours.. The car will be in the Ford stand at SEMA, so stop by

Ashley Webb (Dan's daughter)

[sinticket]

I have seen this car in Detroit this past year and was amazed at the craftsmanship. Now I am speechless at how this car has evolved into probably one of the greatest hand built cars of the 21st century...PERIOD! Keep up the great work Dan, its beautiful!

[Harrison]

Wonder if Dan would consider trading for a Deuce Fordor project?

I may have a new, all-time, favorite automobile.

It's like Jesus held Steve Grimes' hand & together they built a car.

I love it.

[Sparkswillfly]

perfection!

[hotrod30a]

Pure essence of crafstmanship. This thing belongs in a museum!

[Drewfus]

Originally Posted by hotrod30a

Pure essence of crafstmanship. This thing belongs in a museum!

no.....

let it breath,

let it ROAR....

let it glide,

that thing deserves to FLY......

[autobilly]

That is a beautiful car! I think that it's fair to say that it's being built "in the spirit".

[HomemadeHardtop57]

That louver job is a work of art in itself. I would love to have that many size dies for my press. It must have taken 20 hours to keep changing out the dies and getting everything lined up.Holy shit

[The Fidgiter]

I'll take this over anything Posies has ever built, any day of the week. Love it.

[Unkl Ian]

Originally Posted by HomemadeHardtop57

That louver job is a work of art in itself. I would love to have that many size dies for my press. It must have taken 20 hours to keep changing out the dies and getting everything lined up.Holy shit

With the proper louver cutting attachment in a Pullmax,
you can do louvers of any length in one set up.

Not nearly as difficult as it appears, with the right tools.

[drhotrodmd]

It would be pretty hard to top the awsum metal work in this car. Very nice!

[Irish Dan]

That's so bizzare it's cool! I especially like the center steering! Thanks for the "heads up" pics on this unique build!

[gnichols]

Originally Posted by Weasel

Dan showed the in-progress work at the Detroit Autorama

I see. Thanx. Gary

[29bowtie]

If the quality workmanship of that project,doesn't inspire you,you need your head examined. Absolute perfection. If the "Mona Lisa" is a "Masterpiece" painting,that is the automotive equivalent!

[hemifarris]

Originally Posted by Unkl Ian

With the proper louver cutting attachment in a Pullmax,
you can do louvers of any length in one set up.

Not nearly as difficult as it appears, with the right tools.

Correct, the louvers were done using a Pullmax.....

[BAKERSFIELD]

Wow! I love the detail on this thing, it's unbelievable!

[HotRodDrummer]

Ash, Tell your dad that I think this thing is coming out alright!!!hahaha

It looks amazing in the pictures, so I'm sure it's ten fold in person, everyone involved has done an awsome job and the passion, dedication and persistence is paying off in a true work of art.

Matt Lesky

[turdytoo]

Indescribable!

[bonesy]

I love all his work.

[AtomicDrew]

Glad to see this being recreated, the engineering on it phenominal. It was a beatiful car 2 years ago when it was at Detroit.

[ELpolacko]

We should all aspire to do so well in all of our projects.

I have been watching this one from what hits the HAMB, awe inspiring indeed.

[woodythx138]

Thats a killer looking car for sure and here is a killer looking 1/8 scale version of the Golden Sub car,I did the wire wheels for this car.Marshall Z built the car from castings .I am curently working on one that will be all hand formed.Chris

[hugh m]

Wow.When do these guys get to ever sleep? Amazing...

[ash]

not much lol

[flatheadpete]

Back to the top for the people who wanna bitch about Posie. Check this out!

[mikef1331]

Holy Shit! That is just gorgeous.

[SamIyam]

What an eye for style!

The only parts I see that don't look hand hewn are the rear axle tubes and the front axle (which looks like a MW dragster axle)... but then again, those too are probably made by Dan!

Awesome!

Sam

[Bad Bob]

AMAZEING! nothing else can describe it!

[cole]

Thank you for giving us such a wonderful hot rod. its a beauty.

[flatheadpete]

BTTT. If Cole thinks it's cool....it's cool.

[scootermcrad]

OH MAN!!! I wondered what the plan was for that incredible chassis!! Amazing work!! Very inspirational!!

[Pins&Needles]

That peak down the roof into the cowl and onto the hoof it absolutely perfect!

[ash]

Originally Posted by SamIyam

What an eye for style!

The only parts I see that don't look hand hewn are the rear axle tubes and the front axle (which looks like a MW dragster axle)... but then again, those too are probably made by Dan!

Awesome!

Sam

Dad made the front axle out of 41 30 chrome molly... But he said thank you for comparing his work to Mark Williams... A guy down the street in Dearborn build the axle tubes lol (Ford) but they were also modified quiet a bit..

[daddio211]

Originally Posted by flatheadpete

Back to the top for the people who wanna bitch about Posie. Check this out!

Posie certainly does turns out some very nice quality stuff. As for his style, I kind of think of it as if Liberace were into hot rods. I can respect it but I don't want it in my garage.

Now the Webb's on the other hand turn out very nice quality stuff AND it suits my tastes! Hey Ash, I'm the guy that proposed to you in the Ford booth at SEMA a few years ago.

Yeah, I know, "which one?"

[KK500]

Haven't even looked at the detail photos..............and I have a new love in my life.......DANG!!

[Dznuts]

i can only hope to be half that talented one day! amazing

[mikef1331]

More pix of the Golden Sub @ SEMA courtesy of autoblog.com.

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/sema-...den-submarine/

[denis4x4]

Had a nice chat with Dan today at the SEMA show. The car is in the Ford booth and quite frankly, pictures just don't do it justice!!!

[Kilroy]

Originally Posted by denis4x4

Had a nice chat with Dan today at the SEMA show. The car is in the Ford booth and quite frankly, pictures just don't do it justice!!!

Good to hear... Because from those pics, I really not digging it as much...

To me it looks like the track might be a little too narrow and the front tires are definately way too wide.

Still it's an amazing bit of craftsmanship and I stand by my "Most intersting hot rod in the last 30-40 years," comment.

[GothboY]

O M F G. That is one of the sickest most awesomly engineered cars I have ever seen. Thank you HAMB gods!
-GothY-

[Django]

Now that is FUCKING BEAUTIFUL. Wow.

[ash]

Sema was great.. And it was great meeting a few of you Hamb members.. And we were lucky to walk away SEMA with best of show.. I think were going to have a shop party soon so anyone that would like to attend can I'll let you know future details... Thanks for all the support

[73roundlight]

DAMN! I want to go to the shop party.

Saw the pics of the Sub in Autoweek too. Still as beautiful as I remember it.

[flatheadpete]

It's quite a drive....maybe I'll ride my skateboard.

[HEMI32]

Here's a few more pics of it from KIRK!'s SEMA thread:

Originally Posted by KIRK!

Originally Posted by KIRK!

[jdubbya]

Shop Party? I will mapquest it, and save up the gas money for the voyage.

[Bob K]

Originally Posted by ash

Sema was great.. And it was great meeting a few of you Hamb members.. And we were lucky to walk away SEMA with best of show.. I think were going to have a shop party soon so anyone that would like to attend can I'll let you know future details... Thanks for all the support

Congrats Dan & Ash, shop party sounds cool but it would be nice if it was around the Autorama dates so that us furrniers could attend.

I suppose the car will be at Cobo but that will leave more room for the tables with the Shrimp & Lobster Hors d' Oeuvres.

BB

[Flipper]

Originally Posted by HEMI32

Here's a few more pics of it from KIRK!'s SEMA thread:

How comfortable is that seat? It sure cools cool.

[4tl8ford]

Thanks for posting all the pictures.

This is Art - Craftsmanship at its highest level.

I would love to have this sculpture sitting in my livingroom for a few years so that I could study it properly.

Dan and Crew - Thank You.

Dick

[ash]

The seat is very very comfortable.. Actually more comfortable than anything I've sat in..

[Barn-core]

Beautiful car, and amazing craftsmanship. Congratulations to all invonled for the much deserved recognition. I'd love to see this car in person some day.

[HEMI32]

I was Googling around tonight ... and found this video clip:

[JimSibley]

Awww! Its not that great. Just kidding Its totally unbelievable.

[remingtonbox]

This masterpiece (is that even a nice enough word?) is amazing. The engineering, metalworking, upholstery, everything is immaculate!

Does anyone have a close up picture of how the brakes are mounted?

[ash]

Thanks for the kind words

[Wicked Tin]

Amazing craftmanship and attention to detail. Yeh... I guess I'd take it

[Hot Rod Ron]

Bad ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ash]

These prints are very high quaility this one is done on a thick canvus (they look very old) and frames very nice (size of print 18’X 12’). Get a little pice of SEMA's Best of show, Webb Automotive Art, Thom Taylor and Harry Millers Golden Sub hanging on your wall. The drawing is done by automotive designer Thom Taylor they are very high quality for an awesome price of $25.00 each..
And are very limited and going quickly...
Where else can you get high quality art for such a low price!

Message me for detials and if your interested

Note: sorry for the pictures saying win this print they were pictures for a raffel and my pictures I took won't download on the site...

Webb Automotive Art

[willysguy]

Wow, a true work of art!!! Ash how are you guy's going to top this one?

[ash]

We are in the process of another significant race car

[ash]

Don't forget to order your Golden Sub prints great gift to give or even for yourself

See you at Detroit Autorama....

[ash]

Get your prints

[jimdillon]

Ash, the Sub came out great. Should be fun to see what the next historically significant racecar is in the works. If I was a gambling man I suppose I would put a couple of dollars on Lockhart's Blackhawk. I guess we will have to wait and find out.-Jim

[RobertWa]

My first post here....and this car looks priceless. Maybe some day I'll have this high level of skill.

[gmchevolds]

amazing!!!

[ash]

I've recived many PM's asking if the sub will be at Detroit Autorama and I thought I would just post the answer Yes it will
See you then