Welcome to the THE H.A.M.B. forums.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

Go Back   THE H.A.M.B. > General Discussion > The Hokey Ass Message Board

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-27-2008, 06:50 PM   #1
Chris Casny
Old School HAMBer
 
Chris Casny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Los Angeles/Austin
Posts: 4,588
Default ≈≈≈TECH, Hot Rod, Cowl steering, and steering column≈≈≈

This is the cowl steering set-up I've done on my model a coupe, here is a link to the whole thread http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...dreadman+coupe .
I did cowl steering because I'm using a Buick nailhead engine, that didnt leave enough room for a F-1 or F-100 box.

I built a "hoop" out of heavy walled 2" round tubing, that attaches to the frame with 6 bolts to ensure maximum strength for the steering box.



Once I established, placement for the box (in this case a 1966 Mopar model), I fabricated mounts, so the box could be firmly fastened to the "hoop".

Next step was to cut the stock pitman arm. All that's needed is the splined end.


The "end" was then welded to a heavy walled round tubing, making sure the, the ID was big enough to receive the 1 3/16" socket, required to tighten the 7/8" nut.
I can't stress enough, that if you have any doubts about your welding abilities you should consult a professional.


The other end of the sector shaft was drilled for 6 holes and threaded, and the drilled to allow the socket to pass thru, again, this end was welded to the shaft. Again, this piece is only about 3.5" long, but is, just about the most important piece, safety wise, when it comes to cowl steering.

A pitman arm was fabricated, out of 1/2" thick cold rolled steel. It received 6 corresponding holes.

Then it was bent so the tie rod end would clear the body.



__________________
Be humble and appreciate life

IMMORTALS CC

Last edited by Dreadman; 09-28-2008 at 12:14 AM.
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2008, 06:50 PM   #2
Chris Casny
Old School HAMBer
 
Chris Casny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Los Angeles/Austin
Posts: 4,588
Default Re: ≈≈≈TECH, Hot Rod, Cowl steering, and steering column≈≈≈

Next, the custom steering column.
It occurred to me, that there were 6 holes, on the steering box, that seemed, ideal, to be tapped and then hold the flange for the steering column.

Using a 3" washer, I drilled 6 corresponding holes, in order to bolt the flange to the box.


For the steering column, I decided to use 1 1/2" stainless "stripper pole", you know the smooth stuff, not the brushed kind, easier on the hands.
Mine ended up being 12". It was welded, to the flange.


The other end of the column needed a bearing, to hold the 3/4" shaft.
I found one that didnt quite fit the 1 1/2" column, but pressed it in anyways, and therefore created this kind of flared, end look.

For the box end, I purchased a 3/4", 36 spline coupler, to which the shaft would be welded to (spot welded shown here).



The steering wheel end of the shaft, was machined down with my crappy lathe, to 5/8" and then tapered and keyed to accept an early Ford steering wheel (not pictured here).



Here is the full set-up shown outside the car.

In the car





Safety, is number one here, I TIG welded everything making sure, the pitman arm cooled down properly after bending, etc. your life is on the line here, but if you did everything right this will be a good solution.
__________________
Be humble and appreciate life

IMMORTALS CC

Last edited by Dreadman; 09-27-2008 at 07:06 PM.
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2008, 06:51 PM   #3
povertyflats
Old School HAMBer
 
povertyflats's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: near Salina Kansas
Posts: 8,151
Default Re: ≈≈≈TECH, Hot Rod, Cowl steering, and steering column≈≈≈

You sure do nice metal work for a woodworker.
__________________
I like old engines and stuff--
Facebook-- Paul Kruse
https://www.facebook.com/paul.kruse.9
offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Old 09-27-2008, 07:12 PM   #4
Glen
Senior Member
 
Glen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
Posts: 1,795
Default Re: ≈≈≈TECH, Hot Rod, Cowl steering, and steering column≈≈≈

nice job on the cowl steering there are about 4 good threads on that process now and each one is a little different. Thanks for posting.
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2008, 07:19 PM   #5
Mullda
Grenade Inspector
 
Mullda's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Knoxville, TN
Posts: 306
Default Re: ≈≈≈TECH, Hot Rod, Cowl steering, and steering column≈≈≈

Great post! Beautiful work. Thanks for sharing.
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2008, 07:45 PM   #6
cheezburgers
FNG
 
cheezburgers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: indiana
Posts: 37
Default Re: ≈≈≈TECH, Hot Rod, Cowl steering, and steering column≈≈≈

Great Job .....Thank ya much
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2008, 08:10 PM   #7
Noland
Senior Member
 
Noland's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: pittsburgh PA
Posts: 1,220
Default Re: ≈≈≈TECH, Hot Rod, Cowl steering, and steering column≈≈≈

Hey maybe if you win techweek they can give you a colored camera for a prize

Came out really nice though
__________________
RUSTY hemi Model A Coupe build
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=647364
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2008, 08:28 PM   #8
bct
Senior Member
 
bct's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: b.c.
Posts: 1,369
Default Re: ≈≈≈TECH, Hot Rod, Cowl steering, and steering column≈≈≈

ooohhhhhh....thats how its done!!!!!!!!good job
__________________
a time to weld , a time to grind.
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2008, 08:34 PM   #9
Fenders
Old School HAMBer
 
Fenders's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: 2,800 miles from Bisbee
Posts: 3,851
Default Re: ≈≈≈TECH, Hot Rod, Cowl steering, and steering column≈≈≈

Nice job.
Uhhh... bump steer?
__________________
.
It don't squeak? It don't rattle?
Must be a street rod.....
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2008, 08:37 PM   #10
Chris Casny
Old School HAMBer
 
Chris Casny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Los Angeles/Austin
Posts: 4,588
Default Re: ≈≈≈TECH, Hot Rod, Cowl steering, and steering column≈≈≈

Quote:
Originally Posted by That guy with the coupe View Post
Nice job.
Uhhh... bump steer?
I've done this three times, no bump steer.
7" pitman arm (center to center), 8" steering arm.
__________________
Be humble and appreciate life

IMMORTALS CC
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2008, 10:41 PM   #11
zibo
Senior Member
 
zibo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: dago ca
Posts: 2,347
Default Re: ≈≈≈TECH, Hot Rod, Cowl steering, and steering column≈≈≈

Quote:
Originally Posted by That guy with the coupe View Post
Nice job.
Uhhh... bump steer?

I think there is a special technique to drive a cowl-steer car because of the bumpsteer inherent in the design.
Once you learn to not white knuckle the steering wheel, the car will drive fine,
and what is called bumpsteer isn't an issue.

TP

Oh yeah nice work!
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2008, 10:54 PM   #12
Dreddybear
Old School HAMBer
 
Dreddybear's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: AUSTIN TEXAS
Posts: 5,628
Default Re: ≈≈≈TECH, Hot Rod, Cowl steering, and steering column≈≈≈

Quote:
Originally Posted by That guy with the coupe View Post
Nice job.
Uhhh... bump steer?
Bump steer sucks on a race car, at the limits of traction you don't want sudden jerks on the stering wheel. On a street car a little bump steer will be okay. If this car has measurable bump steer it will be minor enough that he won't notice or care.

Car is looking AWESOME Chris!
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2008, 10:57 PM   #13
Royalshifter
Moderator
 
Royalshifter's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: California
Posts: 15,784
Default Re: ≈≈≈TECH, Hot Rod, Cowl steering, and steering column≈≈≈

Beautiful job Chris as always.
__________________
"I LIKE KUSTOMS"
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2008, 11:13 PM   #14
Malcolm
Alliance Member
 
Malcolm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Nebraska
Posts: 6,461
Default Re: ≈≈≈TECH, Hot Rod, Cowl steering, and steering column≈≈≈

Very, very nice work, Chris! Some great ideas there - thank you.

I really like that steering wheel, too - is that a Lincoln or Mercury wheel?

Malcolm
__________________
http://instagram.com/hoesing#
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2008, 11:34 PM   #15
1935Ron
Senior Member
 
1935Ron's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: New Jersey (refineing country)
Posts: 1,372
Default Re: ≈≈≈TECH, Hot Rod, Cowl steering, and steering column≈≈≈

Nice!!! you don't mind if I copy it..............
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2008, 12:02 AM   #16
KIRK!
Old School HAMBer
 
KIRK!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: At your mom's house naked!
Posts: 12,149
Default Re: ≈≈≈TECH, Hot Rod, Cowl steering, and steering column≈≈≈

You win! Pick out your new tool from the sponsor.
__________________
-COOL stuff HERE -See stupid shit HERE! -Pics of your mom naked at killKIRK
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2008, 04:38 PM   #17
captainjunk#2
Old School HAMBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: massachusetts
Posts: 3,867
Default Re: ≈≈≈TECH, Hot Rod, Cowl steering, and steering column≈≈≈

what a great tech article , good build
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2008, 06:47 PM   #18
2deuces64
Member
 
2deuces64's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Great Bend Ks
Posts: 765
Default Re: ≈≈≈TECH, Hot Rod, Cowl steering, and steering column≈≈≈

Nice job, this answers some questions I had. I'm starting on my cowl steering this week using a bmw box.
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2008, 08:32 PM   #19
marodder62
Grenade Inspector
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Lakewood Ohio
Posts: 181
Default Re: ≈≈≈TECH, Hot Rod, Cowl steering, and steering column≈≈≈

Great tech. I was wondering how to do the steering column on mine and now I know. What tap size did you use for the 6 holes on the steering box?
Jerry
offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2008, 10:39 PM   #20
sko_ford
Old School HAMBer
 
sko_ford's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: fargo nd
Posts: 2,827
Default Re: ≈≈≈TECH, Hot Rod, Cowl steering, and steering column≈≈≈

i know which one i'm voteing for and copying almost completly
__________________
Little Pages Tech Group
thee suedes
Occupy a Hurst shifter
Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderbirdesq View Post
Grind until bitchin
offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:35 AM.