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Old 09-25-2008, 11:03 PM   #1
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Default Gary Heliker's T Roadster

I found a few B/W images from the May '62 Rod and Custom, besides the color photo in Andy Southard's book with Norm in the background (anyone got an electronic copy of the color photo?). I will have a T roadster in my posession soon, and want to start research for a similar build after the Ugly Truck(If I ever finish it!).








Any one got anymore info, I did a search but want more.

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Old 09-25-2008, 11:39 PM   #2
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Which Southard book did you see this T in?...

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http://www.allbookstores.com/book/compare/0760303290
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Old 09-25-2008, 11:48 PM   #4
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It's expensive and hard to find, but an awesome book. The T is on the first page of the first chapter.
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It's expensive and hard to find, but an awesome book. The T is on the first page of the first chapter.
Cool... Thanks! I need to get that book.
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Old 09-26-2008, 12:11 PM   #6
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Richard, here's the rest of the pictures from the Rod Test of Gary Heliker's T from the May 62 issue of Rod & Custom.
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Thanks Mick, I blew them up a bit.



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Old 09-26-2008, 12:36 PM   #8
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I wish I still had that issue, but alas...

I vaguely remember that car, (or a car a lot like it that I"m confusing with it,) had a stock location front axle and spring and then it got modified to the suicide front end.
At the time I liked it better pre-suicide front.
Is this the same car?
If so, does anyone have the magazine coverage of it from a year or two prior to this one with the under the radiator location axle?

I like that "front fenders, made up from ancient Ford spare tire covers..." caption... Like 25 year old parts are ancient?!
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Old 09-26-2008, 12:47 PM   #9
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Actually, when I did a search, you were telling in a several year old thread how he had welded the body to the frame, and added lower valances to emulate a belly pan, which are seen in these photos. Your memory must be fading...

"I've always liked Gary Heliker's Nail head powered channeled T.
It's the Burgundy metalflake car on pages 8-9 of Andy Southard's hotrods & Customs of th 1960s the picture with Norm Grabowski behind it checking it out. If I remember right the body was welded to the bottom of the '32 frame, and gary didn't like the finish of the joint so he welded some valences on the sides, '59 Chevy I think, to hide the welds making it look like it had a rolled pan/apron on the bottom.
Anyway the rear was Zd so far the tires and cycle fenders were higher than the trunk lid, yet the body was actually only channeled to the bottom of the rails."

Good info from exactly five years ago tomorrow!
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Actually, when I did a search, you were telling in a several year old thread how he had welded the body to the frame, and added lower valances to emulate a belly pan, which are seen in these photos. Your memory must be fading...

"I've always liked Gary Heliker's Nail head powered channeled T.
It's the Burgundy metalflake car on pages 8-9 of Andy Southard's hotrods & Customs of th 1960s the picture with Norm Grabowski behind it checking it out. If I remember right the body was welded to the bottom of the '32 frame, and gary didn't like the finish of the joint so he welded some valences on the sides, '59 Chevy I think, to hide the welds making it look like it had a rolled pan/apron on the bottom.
Anyway the rear was Zd so far the tires and cycle fenders were higher than the trunk lid, yet the body was actually only channeled to the bottom of the rails."

Good info from exactly five years ago tomorrow!
Yea, I remember that post... vaguely,(what decade did I post that?) I just don't remember if this is the car that got the axle moved AFTER it was a running hotrod or not.
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Now who has some in color?
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Old 10-10-2008, 11:52 AM   #12
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WOW! Speechless.
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Old 10-10-2008, 12:26 PM   #13
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Here you go, I scanned the book for you sorry souls that don't have it. What a beautiful car. Hey does Norm's buddy look like Judge Rheinhold?

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Old 10-10-2008, 12:27 PM   #14
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Mmmmm, I want a 322 Nailhead in my Bucket. Beautiful car!
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One of my favorite T's. And yup those nailheads can be done up to be classy engines that go too.
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Old 10-10-2008, 12:40 PM   #16
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Thanks, I have the book but no scanner. I wish I could get an image of that without the crease in the middle. I wonder if Andy Southard (the took that photograph) is a H.A.M.B. member?
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Old 10-10-2008, 01:00 PM   #17
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Anybody else notice the angle of the drag link?
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Old 10-10-2008, 02:37 PM   #18
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I have always heard parallel to the ground is best, but I've seen lots like that.
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Old 10-10-2008, 05:32 PM   #19
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I have always heard parallel to the ground is best, but I've seen lots like that.
On a 4 bar you go parallel...but when you have a single rotation point for axle movement you try to mirror the rotation...although with the limited movement it really shouldn't be much of a difference.
Cowl steer works OK with split bones...soooo

Anyway...beautiful car! Always had a soft spot for the latemodel T's.
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Old 10-10-2008, 05:42 PM   #20
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On a 4 bar you go parallel...but when you have a single rotation point for axle movement you try to mirror the rotation...
I meant to say, parallel to the bones. Cowl would be better because the length is closer to the same. Anyhoo, that's for another thread.

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Old 10-10-2008, 07:44 PM   #21
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I meant to say, parallel to the bones. Cowl would be better because the length is closer to the same.
Not parallel - concentric. The draglink should be radial to the arc of the axle movement as closely as possible..so, running the draglink "thru" the 'bone tierod end is close...
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Not parallel - concentric. The draglink should be radial to the arc of the axle movement as closely as possible..so, running the draglink "thru" the 'bone tierod end is close...
Not to highjack this post on a cool T, but can you explain this with an illustration? I'm not getting it...thanks!
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Not to highjack this post on a cool T, but can you explain this with an illustration? I'm not getting it...thanks!
The axle assembly is held to the frame at a single pivot point on either side. (If its a 4 bar system then other rules apply!)
As it moves it will have the axle follow an arc...the radius of the arc being (basicly) the distance from the wishbone rod end (the pivot) to the center of the roadwheel.
The draglink needs to follow this same arc to prevent "bump steer".
Having the pitman arm tierod end right next to the wishbone tierod end is very good.
The draglink will be at a visual angle, but the effective arcs of the draglink and axle assembly will match each other better that way.

Now, with the small amount of axle movement most Hot Rods have...you can do it different and still have a great driver. Half the fun is making stuff work that the rules say shouldn't...!!!
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That's a hot car. If I ever get my hot rod project I'm definitely putting a Nailhead in it.
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The axle assembly is held to the frame at a single pivot point on either side. (If its a 4 bar system then other rules apply!)
As it moves it will have the axle follow an arc...the radius of the arc being (basicly) the distance from the wishbone rod end (the pivot) to the center of the roadwheel.
The draglink needs to follow this same arc to prevent "bump steer".
Having the pitman arm tierod end right next to the wishbone tierod end is very good.
The draglink will be at a visual angle, but the effective arcs of the draglink and axle assembly will match each other better that way.

Now, with the small amount of axle movement most Hot Rods have...you can do it different and still have a great driver. Half the fun is making stuff work that the rules say shouldn't...!!!
Thanks for the explanation, I appreciate it!
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Sorry 'bout that, the color pics shows the drag link end being much closer to where the harpin pivot is...

By the way, I love this car...
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Hate to bring up an old post......but I LOVE this car!!! I saw it in Rod&Custom and thought I'd search here for more and what do you know?

Anyway, here's a pic that hasn't been posted...found it on wiki...wish I could read what that sign says...

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Thanks for the scans Jimmy!
I have now updated the page on Gary's car on Kustomrama: http://www.kustomrama.com/index.php?...%27s_1926_Ford
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I'm glad you brought this back up, I need a little inspiration as I want to get back to work on my T soon...
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I have now updated the page on Gary's car on Kustomrama: http://www.kustomrama.com/index.php?...%27s_1926_Ford
The menus on the left side of the page cover up the text.
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It's time for an update on the Heliker T! After I added the story to Kustomrama back in 2010 I received an email from Gary's wife Karen, telling me that Gary was thrilled to find his old jalopy online. I asked her a bunch of questions, but never heard back. This Sunday, while working on another story on Kustomrama I received an email from Mike McHenry of Apple Valley, California. Mike told me that he bought the roadster in 1997, and that he was the current owner. He had attached a couple of photos! I was blown away, and so glad that he emailed me! Together we wrote an update to the story that you can all see here:

http://kustomrama.com/index.php?titl...%27s_1926_Ford

As you can all see, the car has been changed a bit over the years. Henry is a very busy man, with a garage full of projects, so when I asked him if he will restore it back to how it once looked he told me about a dozen other cars he had to do first. Anyhow, the import an thing here is that the car is still around, and that is great news.


When I received the mail from Henry, I emailed Karen right away. Unfortunately the mail bounced, and it was returned to me. Do Anyone know if Gary is still around? It would have been great to let him know that his old Model T is still around!
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A kool thing about this one is that many of you propably have seen it around without recognizing it!
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Someone stripped all the good stuff off.
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Yeah yeah, that can be fixed! Just be happy that it's still amongst us
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I kinda wonder if it is the same car. Look at the bottom edge of the body in the old pictures.
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I kinda wonder if it is the same car. Look at the bottom edge of the body in the old pictures.
looks like what I think I remember were '59 Chevy rear valences? removed from the bottom of the body sides.
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Current version looks like a somewhat cheezy redo of the original car, but they look like the same car to me. Hope it does get restored to it's original version.

I like the smoothed off turtle deck sides, looks almost like a '25 style turtle deck that way, which is what I'm using on my '26. I was worried what that would look like, but it sure looks good in those old pics.
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That definitely is the Heliker roadster.
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That definitely is the Heliker roadster.
Jimmy has spoken, and I trust this guy on this subject

Ray Martinez told Mike that the body was originally a pickup that was raced as a modified in the late 1940s. When SCTA closed the modified class, the turtle deck was welded on so the car could still be driven in the roadster class. Thus the drop from the tub to the top of the turtle deck. He also told Mike that the center photo on page 107 in Don Montgomery's book "Hot Rods as they Were" shows the roadster as it was driven in the modified class.....can anyone scan that photo and post it here..it would have been interesting to dive further down into that!
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Thanks Sondre.

I scanned the photo from the above mentioned book.
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Thanks Sondre.

I scanned the photo from the above mentioned book.
Great! Thanks a lot Jimmy B...I hope we can get a hold of Gary if he's still around so he can tell us more about it. Ray might be right when he said that this is the same car..but I can not tell for sure
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