Dan Webb's "Golden Submarine"...

[McKee]

...at the 2008 Detroit Autorama.

[McKee]

.....

[Ryan]

That thing is incredible...

[TRuss]

Of the photos that I've seen I think this is the car of the show. I can't wait to see it finished. Well not too finished. It looks so good without paint.

[stude_trucks]

Awesome! Way better than that Volvo ride. This is how a fresh interpretation of classic car building should be. That is art!

[Irrational Metalworks]

Only a couple of lay out hours invested there.

Tim @ www.irrationalmetalworks.com

[Weasel]

Leonardo Da Vinci springs to mind......

[flatheadpete]

He plans on no paint for a while. It actually went together real quick Wed. night. Dan looks like a giant sitting in (on?) it. Really cool build. Glad to be a part of it (however small).

[Dan10]

I did'nt think cars could be built using an erector set. Looks like it will weigh about 500 pounds when finished.

[Weasel]

Correct me if I am wrong, but since this has now been shown in public, isn't it now ineligible to enter for the Ridler? If it is indeed now excluded, that is cool beyond words - to raise the bar to a level that blows everything else out of the water and not to give a damn about trophies.

[roadstar]

Yes a work of art indeed. I pleaded with him as well as others to leave it in bare metal.

Looking forward to seeing it completed.

[TRuss]

It appears to be mostly aluminum. It wouldn't be to big of deal to leave it unfinished. Maybe just brushed like the occasional Cobra would of been.

[flatheadpete]

Originally Posted by Weasel

Correct me if I am wrong, but since this has now been shown in public, isn't it now ineligible to enter for the Ridler? If it is indeed now excluded, that is cool beyond words - to raise the bar to a level that blows everything else out of the water and not to give a damn about trophies.

Doesn't care about the Ridler. He just wants to build the best he can. I joked with him Wed. night when he told me he can't do any better....he said the same thing with Ashley's Wedge Roadster. I sure envy his talent and skill as well as his eye for deatail and design.

[TRuss]

That's cool as hell that he doesn't care about the awards. Honestly, I don't think that he would win anyway. His car is nowhere near predictable or cliche enough to win the Ridler.

[FritzTownFord]

I actually love the "guts" of this more than I will the finished car (I think).

How does he keep the thing so perfect and clean in mid-build? Amazing in every way.

[Tman]

Nice

[Kiwi Kev]

Spec-tac-ular!

[TRuss]

This thing has my brain going crazy. Some ideas are new. Some are old and newly remembered. I just need to improve my skills. This car is pure inspiration.

[lostn51]

Originally Posted by TRuss

That's cool as hell that he doesn't care about the awards. Honestly, I don't think that he would win anyway. His car is nowhere near predictable or cliche enough to win the Ridler.

if it didnt win the ridler it would be a close second to getting it. that is a rolling piece of art deco there! and i thought Ryan would like it seeing he digs the teardrops and like me he loves the intense attention to detail. its nice to know there are still craftsman out there doing it for the sake of just seeing if it can be done. and it shows with him not even caring if it wins the first anything. i do hope he leaves it "bare" it fits in with the high end one off sports racers of the 30' and 40's.

[TRuss]

I was taking a stab at the last several Ridler winners and the cars that usually compete for it. Not Dan or his car. I was hoping that wouldn't be misunderstood when I posted it.

[myke]

awesome!

[63fdsnr]

Dan Webb has shown us the the same ability that Miller and Bugatti had to make every part functional and absolutly beautiful at the same time. I don't know the size of his organization, but I expect the in house bit is very small. Just fantastic overall design and attention to detail.

[73roundlight]

I spoke to Ash about it (While someone was interviewing Dan) and she says that he has most of the other body work done. She also said that he is considering changing the framing already, I don't know to what.

What an impressive piece though. Truly awesome.

Best, MRAK

[MrGasser]

...actually, the car is done about 95% "in house"!

[lostn51]

Originally Posted by TRuss

I was taking a stab at the last several Ridler winners and the cars that usually compete for it. Not Dan or his car. I was hoping that wouldn't be misunderstood when I posted it.

I know where you were coming from, seems the ridler is more of the swoopy remods and over exaggerated lines, then out right one offs. but there is hope............i hope?!?

[haroldd1963]

That is absolutely the most beautiful craftsmanship and attention to detail I have ever seen! He should have done two at the same time. One to leave partialy completed and the other completed!

[HotRodDrummer]

Originally Posted by haroldd1963

That is absolutely the most beautiful craftsmanship and attention to detail I have ever seen! He should have done two at the same time. One to leave partialy completed and the other completed!

I believe at one point in time that was the plan, to build two chassis and only body one. However I'm not sure if that is still in the works.

Regardless, I love this car!

[63fdsnr]

Originally Posted by MrGasser

...actually, the car is done about 95% "in house"!

Sorry, I didn't say what I was thinking - which was that he was doing most everything him self, with a rather small organization.

[Chopped Tudor]

I had the pleasure of seeing this car all the time in the shop and each time i stared at it i found something else that amazed me. there is a ton of hours of attition and detail in this car. i really look up to dan and his work it's amazing.

[fiat128]

Is this the same car that people were posting pix of as just a rolling chassis last year?

[COOP666]

That's just neat.

[oldandkrusty]

Originally Posted by fiat128

Is this the same car that people were posting pix of as just a rolling chassis last year?

It is the same car. I spent most of my time last year thinking about this car and to see it again this year with more incredibly detailed work is just a blessing for me. This car is the BEST I have ever seen. Period, end of story!

[HOTTRODZZ]

Just what high end Hot Rodding should be..!

A race car Inspired work of art.

Miller would be proud..!

Thanks for the pics.

[ash]

Originally Posted by TRuss

That's cool as hell that he doesn't care about the awards. Honestly, I don't think that he would win anyway. His car is nowhere near predictable or cliche enough to win the Ridler.

Yea he don't care being he has won it before...

[raaf]

hope i get to see this in person someday - probably stare at it for an hour.

question: anyone know what those wheels are? borrani?

[Flatman]

Form follows function. And that thing looks pretty functional.

Flatman

[McKee]

Originally Posted by raaf

hope i get to see this in person someday - probably stare at it for an hour.

question: anyone know what those wheels are? borrani?

Dayton

[raaf]

Originally Posted by ash

Yea he don't care being he has won it before...

ha! ...and here's the link from before including ashley's car as well. you can get a better look at the frame etc... amazing.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...8191&showall=1

[raaf]

Originally Posted by McKee

Dayton

thanks! ...and with ashley's car on the front page... http://www.daytonwirewheels.com/

[hemifarris]

Originally Posted by Weasel

Correct me if I am wrong, but since this has now been shown in public, isn't it now ineligible to enter for the Ridler? If it is indeed now excluded, that is cool beyond words - to raise the bar to a level that blows everything else out of the water and not to give a damn about trophies.

Dan won the award in 1990. He's more into the art of his cars than he's into the awards. He builds cars that are usually "different" than everyone elses. He doesn't care who,and who doesn't, like his cars.

[ash]

This is Dan's daughter. Thanks all for the kind words. We are really excited about this project as I know many others are. With some amazing new details and stuff we didn't show on the car at the show. Can't wait for all of you to see it at SEMA in raw. We had people coming up to us all weekend saying don't paint it please. It was great talking to many of you that came up and talked with nice comments. And the ones that hung around for a really long time studying the car and asking questions.
And for those of you that didn't buy your prints done by Thom Taylor of the car you can do so proceeds go to the Humane Socitey so PM me for details.

[JohnnyFast]

It's a work of art for sure....both from an aesthetic standpoint and its engineering and workmanship features.

But.....what's its intended use ?

[ash]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFast

It's a work of art for sure....both from an aesthetic standpoint and its engineering and workmanship features.

But.....what's its intended use ?

just to out due himself

[Flipper]

Originally Posted by hemifarris

Dan won the award in 1990. He's more into the art of his cars than he's into the awards. He builds cars that are usually "different" than everyone elses. He doesn't care who,and who doesn't, like his cars.

Anybody got pics of the 1990 car?

[Casey]

crazy cool !

[Hot Rod Ron]

Saw the post last year on the chassis itself and all I can now is DAM!!!!!!! please don't make us wait for next year coverage of Detroit to show more on the car just post progress shots here.

[ash]

My dads working on the car as we speak. And after reading all the nice comments on the board to him. We decided that were going to keep you in build pictures of the car for the rest of the build. Thank you for having interest in what we are doing.

[MrGasser]

...Dan's 1990 Ridler Deuce with a wild, hand-made, fuel-injection system...

[swimeasy]

Hey Ash, your car is my favorite car of all time! No kidding!

[Toast]

The Fab work on that thing is Freakin awesome! Incredibly talented!

[Petey]

Originally Posted by ash

And for those of you that didn't buy your prints done by Thom Taylor of the car you can do so proceeds go to the Humane Socitey so PM me for details.

Prints? I didn't notice any prints for sale. I want one for sure.

The car is a real piece of art. I enjoyed staring at it for quite a while on Friday.

[flatheadpete]

Originally Posted by MrGasser

...Dan's 1990 Ridler Deuce with a wild, hand-made, fuel-injection system...

Next time ya see Dan, ask him about the tile display.....good story!

[Chaz]

It was a true delight to see the car and talk to the builder. Damn!

[retro54]

awesome car.. thanks for sharing... here's a link to a decent site for the original... I love both!

http://www.vintageracecars.com/sub.htm

[attitudor]

Thanks for starting this thread, I quess I would have done that very soon...
Ash, thanks for your replies!

That car is a jewerly! I pretty much love everything in it... Are you guys going to take it to the salt flats some day?


Thanks,
--mika

[ash]

Originally Posted by Petey

Prints? I didn't notice any prints for sale. I want one for sure.

The car is a real piece of art. I enjoyed staring at it for quite a while on Friday.

Yea the prints are very cool one on hard canvus and one on like a hard cardboard stuff high quality. The drawings were done by Thom Taylor the one is black and white of the car racing on the boards very cool. And the other is in color of the car racing at the Bevlery Hills boardtrack with the stands in the background it looks like the old vintage racing posters. Each print is $25.00 also add $5.00 shipping. Proceeds go to the humane society because we love animals and have three very cool black cats at the shop.
Thanks for all the kind words about the sub can't wait for it to be finished for SEMA.

[ash]

Originally Posted by swimeasy

Hey Ash, your car is my favorite car of all time! No kidding!

Thanks you can check out my car it's in the new issue of Street Rodder I think it's out now or comes out this week. But very cool picture and the article has the story how the car evolved and plus my thoughts of growing up in the hot rodding word. Check it out it's very cool.

[MrGasser]

Originally Posted by flatheadpete

Next time ya see Dan, ask him about the tile display.....good story!

...next time you see Dan, ask him what he did with the Ridler trophy!

[flatheadpete]

Originally Posted by MrGasser

...next time you see Dan, ask him what he did with the Ridler trophy!

Even a better story.

[Petejoe]

What powerplant is in this beauty??
Unbelievable craftsmanship.

[ash]

Originally Posted by Petejoe

What powerplant is in this beauty??
Unbelievable craftsmanship.

It's a Ford 4 cylinder Zetech motor used in the midget series...
with some crazy machine work done and being done 4 the motor

[ash]

http://www.hubgarage.com/hubtv/channels/5/videos/100

pretty cool vid about our modern sub... watch it

[Conder]

I could look at Dan's cars all week and not get bored! I have to say, I'm not really into this current concept, but the craftsmanship is beyond reproach. Beautiful, beautiful work.

I met Ashley at SEMA '06 briefly when we were gawking at her car. Very cool, classy chick! Nice job folks!

[ash]

http://www.hubgarage.com/hubtv/channels/5/videos/100

[Chaz]

Originally Posted by raaf

hope i get to see this in person someday - probably stare at it for an hour.

I saw it in Detroit.. An hour wont give you enough time...

[ash]

It's getting closer and closer to SEMA...

[ash]

And keep on buying your Golden Sub prints.. Very cool art by Thom Taylor that goes to a really good cause.. PM me for details

[LabRat]

The framework is astonishing I'm havin trouble seein how he fabricated some of it !. And the perimeter disc brakes are a nice touch , a lot less visable than hub mounts. Man there would be a big pile o swarf an hole centers layin around after that lot.

[remingtonbox]

What size are the tires on that car? they are absolutely perfect

[ash]

See you at SEMA with the car

[gnichols]

Dumb question... what is the relationship between the car in this thread and this Golden Submarine? I saw this car at the 2007 Miller Show at the Milwaukee Mile in 2007. I have no idea if this car is original or a reproduction, either. Gary

[James D]

Originally Posted by gnichols

Dumb question... what is the relationship between the car in this thread and this Golden Submarine? I saw this car at the 2007 Miller Show at the Milwaukee Mile in 2007. I have no idea if this car is original or a reproduction, either. Gary

Its an updated and re-imagined version.

[Bluto]

They are both new.

But Dan doesn't claim anything other than it is and what you see ......

Do you understand?

[Rich Venza]

I believe even the one in the Indy Museum is a recreation.

For me, it's the ultimate hiboy chopped coupe.

[wcpetersen]

Barney Oldfield, Master Driver of the World & Harry Miller would be proud. Keep American history alive!
Barney Oldfield great great nephew
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[ash]

WOW thanks for the kind words... How exciting

[Mac the Yankee]

Barney Oldfield lopped the body off (if I understand it, he felt unsafe inside the "sub"), so both bodies are "new".

[wetrock]

Posted on Shorpy today Barney Oldfield and the Golden Submarine in 1917:

[ash]

thanks thats an amazing picture.. I've a very simular one

[ash]

I've rcived many PM's asking if the sub will be at Detroit Autorama and I thought I would just post the answer Yes it will
See you then

[banjeaux bob]

Here's another drawing of the original......