History VINTAGE SPRINT CAR PIC THREAD, 1969 and older only please.

[Joshua Shaw]

Had to go to Zakira's last night to look at some work to be done.. As soon as I walked in, Jim was smiling funny, and I could tell he had something he just couldn't wait to show me. Well, He did!!!

The ENGINE for the 1923 INDY WINNING MILLER thay have been restoring has been final assembled, and was sitting on a build table..



It's breath taking, and pictures just don't do a justice!















These are the jets..






original photo..



today..













Gossens drawing for throttle linkage...



Made to specs in house by Jim "longname"



and where it goes..





J Shaw

[Harley Gene]

Gentlemen, If anyone was at The Winchester Old Timers, you saw one of the original Nascar "Speedway division" racers. Here is the photo. This car is owned by Don Anderson of Tipp City,Oh. Don restored this car in the nineties. Tom Cherry modified a Mutual roadster to fit the rules of the Speedway division. This car won one race in the short lived series ( one year I think) with Tom Cherry driving it. Somewhere around here I have that information. I have a photo of five cars lined up on Daytona Beach for a PR photo. I'll see if it can be found. I think I remember it was in 1953 or 54
Harley Gene

[indybigjohn]

Jim, Gene, & Josh, that's essentially the same story I heard from Ligouri. Champ car sized chassis with stock blocks.

[Joshua Shaw]

Originally Posted by Harley Gene

I have a photo of five cars lined up on Daytona Beach for a PR photo.

I've seen that photo, and was wishing I had it..

[Harley Gene]

Having trouble getting the photo to go. We'll try again. This is the photo of the "Speedway Division" car of Tom Cherry......I hope?
Harley Gene

[The37Kid]

This photo is the H.D.Carpenter 122 Miller, Mechanic Frank Fabian is on the right side. Ira Vail bought it new, sold it to Mr. Carpenter for $6,500. and drove it in the 1926 Indy 500 after R.J.Johnson was injured in a wreck at Charlott. Original photo is part of the collection of paperwork on the car in my collection.

[jimdillon]

That is quite impressive but then again Miller (Goosen, Offenhauser, & Stevens) work was almost always eye candy. Billet on racecars started in the teens and was never a bad thing on a race car that I know of. Even some of MIller's gear selector handles were hollow pieces of jewelry. It is pretty easy to be mesmerized by the workmanship of all things Miller.-Jim

[Joshua Shaw]

Very cool 37kid!!

Thanks!

[Joshua Shaw]

Here's a couple other "things of interest" that I looked at.

The Duesenberg that I gotta do work on.



Jim built a teppered die and hand bent these.. they go from 1.5" to .5"



check out these BILLET STEEL spindles, I saw these when they were a stack of steel blocks on the floor.





Axle tube..



freshly made torque bell



and the newest challenge, Jim is going to make a Crank from scratch. He has Millers original pencil drawings and this 8" solid chunk of heat treated hardened steel!

[brian26]

Corngrower,

If that engine was mine, I would have to find a way to place an engine stand over my Sealy Posterpedic.

[brian26]

Originally Posted by jaracer

Here are some pictures.Attachment 516070
This one is Jim Moughan in my car at Springfield, Il in 75 (too new?)

Track was muddy wasn't it?Looks like that left front is a foot off the ground!

[racer5c]

Originally Posted by Rootie Kazoootie

Yeah, I think it would be safe to say it got recaged at least once.

I was there that day

[Racer12]

Originally Posted by racer5c

I was there that day

I wasn't there that day (wasn't even born yet) but I do have A Dick Wallen tape (remember those) of that crash. If I remember correct the cage was bent pretty bad as they towed it back to the pits. Ol' Ziggy was a luck man that day, not many people go over the wall at Salem or Winchester and live to tell about it.


Bob Shutt

[youngster]

Are there any detail pictures of the Lincoln Special. Great looking car. Dose anyone have any information on forming a cowl flair like that.

Ron

[Joshua Shaw]

PM "hillbillyhell" He was the one that posted it, and mentioned it came from his shop.

[NealinCA]

I hope this question isn’t too off topic for this discussion…but a car like this is about as close as I will ever get to owning a 30’s era dirt track car.

I want to build a similar Ford bodied 3-springer. I have the Whippet shell and radiator, late 20's Chrysler tube axle, Model A engine, Model T body...and a 25 Chevy frame. But this is where one of my questions comes from.

Anyone recognize the frame in the Chuck Spurgin 25 Chevy roadster…



I assumed it was 25 Chevy, but now I'm not so sure.

The Carurthers/Chrisman #25 car claims to be built on a 1928 Chevy frame (which should be the same as a 1925)...but the frame horns look straighter than the stock Chevy posted below...





and it's springs are hung outside the frame with the spreader bar like the Spurgin car. Anyone know details on this? Did they commonly do this, as most 3-springers I see have the front spreader bar/spring hangers?

The front spring hangers on my Chevy frame do not look like the two cars above. Here's a stock 25 Chevy like mine...



...see how the springs hung under the frame.

Lynn Bird's modified had a Chrysler axle and similar looking frame to the cars above...





I was told he used an early Chrysler frame. Were they commonly used in early sprint cars or dry lakes cars? If so, what year/model Chrysler frame I should be looking for?

Thanks,

Neal

[racer5c]

I have been told the Caruthers/Chrisman car is a 28 29 chevy frame and have also been told it's a Star frame, not sure to be honest.

Roy Caruthers

[The37Kid]

Neal, The Essex frame was the common one to use on dirt cars, you may want to check that out. The Christman car has a Franklin front axle. I saw an odd early one at Hershey that was out of an old race car or Hot Rod, had ends that took what looked like '28 Chevy spindles. Should have gone back and taken a photo.

[Ron Mayes]

Originally Posted by racer5c

I have been told the Caruthers/Chrisman car is a 28 29 chevy frame and have also been told it's a Star frame, not sure to be honest.

Roy Caruthers

Roy my buddy has a Star Coupe and he's not going to use the frame ,i showed it to Mike today call me Ron

[choppedrod63]

Talk about bringing back memories!!
Sadly Jim Moughan Sr. just passed away... but what a driver!

Originally Posted by jaracer

Here are some pictures.Attachment 516070
This one is Jim Moughan in my car at Springfield, Il in 75 (too new?)