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Old 07-10-2007, 02:24 AM   #1
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Default push-button shifter

i want to install a push-button(typewritter) shifter on my T, it has a 350 trans. The only old shifters like this I can find are on mopars. will the linkage be easy to set up, how do i do it? really i just want the shifter off the floor any CHEAP ideas are fine. I would like to do this for around 150-ish or less. Old mopar ones go for 50ish on ebay all the time, but not always complete, if these would work with a little fabrication on the linkage and buttons from a junkyard let me know so i can snatch one up. good mopar resto sites would help to.
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Old 07-10-2007, 02:29 AM   #2
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Default Re: push-button shifter

The only way to do it with a cable shifter, non-mopar, might be to use one from a Rambler with the Borg-Warner auto trans - the same trans was used in Studes and certain late 50's-60's Fords. Even the Mopar ones use a different valve body on pushbutton cars. But you'd have to run that trans, behind a Ford, Stude or AMC V8 most likely. Jeep also used it, so I suppose you could use a Chevy to Jeep adapter to couple their trans case to a Chevy block.

Moon makes an electronic pushbutton shifter that uses a screw motor on the trans that will work on any trans, although I don't care for the look of the panel, you can mount it anywhere you want. That's about your only option for a GM trans.
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Old 07-10-2007, 02:50 AM   #3
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Default Re: push-button shifter

i'm doing this as cheap as i can. no new trans, definatly no new motor. I will use B&M's unimatic and put it on the drivers side by the door if i have to. I've heard of moon's shifter but i cant find it on their site or ebay and i imagine it would be expensive like retro-tek's
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Yep, if others make a universal type I wasn't aware of it, but those are the only options for a GM trans. Sometimes you gotta pay to play.
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Old 07-10-2007, 05:38 AM   #5
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Default Re: push-button shifter

It would really take some engineeering to get the Mopar shifter to work on a GM trans. Not to say that it couldn't be done, but it would be a lot of work/engineering.
The shifter buttons actuate a cable. The cable goes to the trans housing, and moves a dowell in the valve body. There is only about an inch or less of travel between ALL the gears.
So, if you try to find a point where only an inch of travel moves a TH350 gear lever, you'll be pretty close to the pivot point. Which means you'll have to be pretty exact in your adjustments...no problem as the cable housing had a built in adjuster.
\BUT the closer you are to the pivot, the more torque you need to click the lever through the gears. That's why Mopar when right to the valve body. I don't think you'd ever get the right leverage to make it work...which means making up a "power assist" mechanism to help you push the cable to actuate the shift lever. Or just use the push buttons to work an electrical device to push the lever. Like the Moon one.
Like I said, do-able, but NOT easy!
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Old 07-10-2007, 07:25 AM   #6
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Default Re: push-button shifter

Lets not forget that even on a Mopar where it was a stock feature the thing had to be set up just right or you could burn up the trans.

Ain't gonna work unless you got a hell of a lot of time and an engineering degree to spare.

For the heck of it you can contact Imperial Performance (?) in Michigan they specialize in pushbuton systems and have conversions for early push button trans mechanisms to later model Mopar trans. They may have ideas for you.
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Old 07-10-2007, 07:32 AM   #7
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Heres an idea I kicked around, Corvairs had a dash mounted lever,looked pretty cool and should have had 40 mile long cable on it.They shouldn't be hard to find.
The bad part is I think they were just Powerglides but set it up without a space for Low gear ,who ever needs that anyway.
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Old 07-10-2007, 07:39 AM   #8
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Iv'e used some aftermarket cable shifters that fit nicely under the dash. Use an old Ford cowl vent handle. Find um in a Street Rod Mag.......OLDBEET
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Old 07-10-2007, 09:23 AM   #9
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Default Re: push-button shifter

Just another thing about the Mopar pushbuttons and transmissions. The transmissions had an external, drum type park mechanism. The GM trans has an internal parking pawl. It would be near impossible to hook up a park mechanism for a T-350.
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Old 07-10-2007, 09:29 AM   #10
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Default Re: push-button shifter

Not all mopar pushbutton transmissions had the parking drum. Only the earlier ones. Later ones had standard cable operated parking brakes.
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Old 07-10-2007, 09:30 AM   #11
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I don't know if it works or not, But I have an original push button shifter that was mounted on a center consul between the bucket seats at a 45 degrees angle. came off a factory A/FX mopar was later used on a morrris minor with a 327 in it. like I say I don't know if it worked
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Old 07-10-2007, 09:55 AM   #12
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Default Re: push-button shifter

well if you got a pocket of $$$$$$$$$ here ya go......joe

http://news.hspn.com/articles/836/1/...eed/Page1.html

also i found these.....

http://www.ronthebusnut.com/browseDisp_163.html

http://www.mooneyes.com/support2/smartshift.html

and I have seen push button shifter on motorcycles also, hell u may be able to adapt on of those also..
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Old 07-10-2007, 10:06 AM   #13
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Default Re: push-button shifter

thanks for all the replies that happened just while i was sleeping. I have been looking for the moon shifter. I cant find it on their website, where is it? link please. if not i will go with the dash mounted lever. Im going to the junkyard today cuase im gettin paid so I will hopefully get a lever and an idea of how to set it up.
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Old 07-10-2007, 10:07 AM   #14
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Ive seen a cable operated shifter on an old dodge van that operated a 3 speed auto. May be hard to find one nowadays though. If your wanting more floor space I would suggest using a b&m or hurst cable shifter and mounting it verticle right under the dash with the handle sticking out horizontally. Could even mount it side ways to the handle wont drop down too low then its in the lower gears.
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Old 07-10-2007, 11:20 AM   #15
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I have been looking for the moon shifter. I cant find it on their website, where is it? link please.

http://www.mooneyes.com/support2/smartshift.html

it's in my above post......
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Old 07-10-2007, 11:53 AM   #16
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Default Re: push-button shifter

Having only ever designed one shifter in my life I am far from an expert, but I would suggest it wouldn't take a engineering degree to make this work either.

The leverage thing - might be remedied by reducing the spring rate on the factory trans detent - I'd be cautious here - making it too light could be really dangerous.

The next biggest consideration I'd make is the "hysteresis" (cable lag for lack of a better word) you inevitably get when moving from one direction to the other. Building in some over travel in either end might be a good idea to combat that issue.

Next is simply (not necessarily so simple) to match the travel distances form the trans to the shifter. This ideally is a 1 to 1 relationship, but the chances of that working out is slim to none so what you might find yourself doing is having to build a sort of CAM ACTION to allow a dialed in movement to match your input with your output.

I bet with a little hot rodding ingenuity you can come up with something!!!
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Old 07-10-2007, 02:28 PM   #17
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Default Re: push-button shifter

Eary MOPAR's ('55/56) had a small shifter sticking out the front of the dash, I think it was a linkage shifter.
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Old 07-10-2007, 04:52 PM   #18
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Now if you really want a lever shifter on dash,check out the bread trucks(square delivery vans).I drive one,it uses a "morse" shifter and cable.but dosent have park.Should be real cheap in junkyards,I mean,who else uses them?
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Old 07-10-2007, 11:32 PM   #19
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i talked to my neighbor(not tryin to get him the blame if this is a stupid idea) and he said there is nothing wrong with mounting a B&M cable shifter like the unimatic vertically on the dash. the morse shifter sounds like a good idea though becuase I know of a van just like that on blocks at the back of the yard i use alot. either way isnt it just like a column shifter. MAbye just a little of that "hot rodding engine-uity" to get it right?
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Old 07-23-2007, 07:59 AM   #20
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Default Re: push-button shifter

This is a bit late, but I've been off-line for a while! The 58-62 Rambler push-button shifter might be usable. It operates a lever on the trans. Park is with an internal pawl, but actuated by a separate cable. That leaves you with five positions -- L - 1 - 2 - R - N. The buttons can be moved or relabeled, but that still leaves you with no park. You can always use the park brake, I guess. The shift arm is rather long, about twice as long as a "normal" shift arm. I'm sure that's for leverage. I'm not sure if the cable moves a good bit or the valve body takes very little movement to select gears. I have the service manual showing everything, but have never owned a push-button Rambler. The parking pawl, on the other hand, uses a very short throw activating arm -- much shorter than a typical trans arm (about half the length).

Ramblers used Borg-Warner auto trannys back then, similar to a Ford-O-Matic.
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Old 07-23-2007, 09:56 AM   #21
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I know that a company named "Imperial" makes an adapter cable to use an old Mopar "jute box" shifter for other trammys. I have old Mopars......and I know that in HotRod they used one on an old Nova Gasser they built.If you need more info, I might be able to track the info down for you.
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Old 12-03-2008, 10:06 AM   #22
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The mopar shifter uses a cable but park is not a button. Park is a separate lever that applies neutral. You might be able to adjust the lever ratio on the th350 to use the mopar shifter but park is still an issue.
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Old 12-03-2008, 10:16 AM   #23
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there is a T bucket buddy near me that has the Moon pushbutton shifter in his and has had it for several years. Seems to work great.

I got a B&M Quicksilver ratchet shifter on mine but mine is full manual valvebody (reversed).

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Get a Mercury or Edsel steering column assembly with the pushbuttons in the middle of the wheel. Now that is imaginative!

How 'bout a 56 Packard Carribean shifter mechanism. You will like that one, it uses a motor at the transmission to shift the manual valve lever.

After that get a 53-55 Oldsmobile hydramatic shift indicator which is three balancing coils (much like a gas gauge) that is supplied by the neutral safety/backup light/shift indicator switch. 3 wires supply the electronic indicator.

All I know is that the Mopar pushbutton mechanism was troublesome and alot of the time you had to take the faceplate off and clear the mechanism. The mechanism is much like the old pushbutton car radios, where there is a cam plate for each button and is adjusted to push the tuning coil slugs to the correct depth to receive the selected station.

Instead of tuning a station, the cam plates just change how far the cable moves in and out of the transmission.

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Old 12-03-2008, 10:38 AM   #25
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How about making it electric shift rather than cable?
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Not all mopar pushbutton transmissions had the parking drum. Only the earlier ones. Later ones had standard cable operated parking brakes.
I have 64 plymouth that has a parking lever and a cable e brake.
One of the only thing that sucks about the push buttons are the netural safety switch that works together with the parking lever.
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Check out places that convert vehicles for handicapped people ,they use push button shifters. HOOP
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On the bright side of things, it would be the most durable part on the car!
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Anybody else have any new ideas here? We are currently looking for a pushbutton type shifter for an Econoline that the brother is doing a body drop on, it will have a 700R4 behind it.
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Just found this cool shifter!! Maybe something can be fabbed up pretty easy I bet!

http://www.hotrodssuperstore.com/windsorshifter.html
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didn't painless make a electric shifter ? You could change out their buttons with the old ones maybe ????A thought. cataloge outside to cold to go look it up..
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Hoop had the best idea here so far. The handicapped service people can probably fix you up!
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The old Mopar pushbutton shifter mechanism is actually kinda neat. They made them in a variety of button layouts - ranging anywhere from vertical, horizontal, even a compact square layout. The buttons themselves light up - some in different colors - it's hard to see in this pic, but in this one "Reverse" is actually RED, "N-Start" is YELLOW and the Drive buttons GREEN. Kinda cool IMHO.
I have one shifter where PARK was an added lever to the shifter itself - activating only in N-Start. Other shifters I have - have nothing in the housing itself for park - I just use a regular Ebrake for those. I think the biggest problems these had was neglect. They are a somewhat involved mechanical device and as such need some lube once in a while. It's kinda neat that the Neutral safety switch is built into them as well as the backup light switch.

I also added a few pics of them as I put them into some of my cars. My favorite being the one I "hid" into the radio.
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Checked out afew of the handicap sites, heres about the only thing I found. But I still like the 1 I posted earlier.


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I suppose if you wanted to get real hightech you could get a linear actuator and drive it with a stepper motor. Seems like alot of hoy-paloy to go wrong though. The mopar mechanism itself is actually pretty foolproof. The cable is attached to one end of a teeter totter lever. The buttons are each provide different stroke while "bottoming" on the teeter totter lever - pretty simple really.

Just gotta figure out park - We gotta have some challenges - right?? ha ha
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I suppose if you wanted to get real hightech you could get a linear actuator and drive it with a stepper motor. Seems like alot of hoy-paloy to go wrong though. The mopar mechanism itself is actually pretty foolproof. The cable is attached to one end of a teeter totter lever. The buttons are each provide different stroke while "bottoming" on the teeter totter lever - pretty simple really.

Just gotta figure out park - We gotta have some challenges - right?? ha ha
I wonder why PARK was an issue? Seems it should have just been another button on the dash!
I know some Mopars had the separate lever on the dash for park. Was that an internal pawl and did the trans shift into drive AND stay in park at the same time, if that lever wasn't shifted from park???
Obviously I have no experience with these Mopars, but they are cool....
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Hackerbuilt, That's a good question! I've wondered the same thing. On the multicolored button shifter I posted the pic of the Park Lever controls a SECOND Cable. This "park" button can ONLY be depressed with the shifter ALREADY in Nuetral. I'm no expert - I run a few of these but none are in their origional configurations so I am not sure how they're "supposed" to be used - I was always under the impression that the second lever used for park was simply connected to the Park Brake drum off the trans. There's no internal parking pawl to be activated. Why they did that is a big mystery to me. I do agree - why not just one more lever?? I assume the state of the art of automatic transmissions had simply not matured enough to have used that parking pawl idea at that time. So it wasn't so much that it couldn't be done - I suppose they just hadn't thought of it yet. That's my guess anyways. Makes me wonder how hard would it be to add in a parking pawl. For instance on my '47 I machined an adapter ring to change it over from the flange mount driveshaft to take a regular U-joint - had I been thinking I could have machined it with an array of slots and made a parking pawl there - external of course. Probably not near as good as havng it in the trans, but better than nothing. I wish we had this conversation a few years ago - I might have tried it....ah heck one day I still might!!!


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I wonder why PARK was an issue? Seems it should have just been another button on the dash!
I know some Mopars had the separate lever on the dash for park. Was that an internal pawl and did the trans shift into drive AND stay in park at the same time, if that lever wasn't shifted from park???
Obviously I have no experience with these Mopars, but they are cool....
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I wonder why PARK was an issue? Seems it should have just been another button on the dash!
I know some Mopars had the separate lever on the dash for park. Was that an internal pawl and did the trans shift into drive AND stay in park at the same time, if that lever wasn't shifted from park???
Obviously I have no experience with these Mopars, but they are cool....
might have something to do with how Park is mechanical AND hydraulic with some transmissions: Park is mechanical, with the internal pawl, but is different hydraulically, in that the converter is not filled with fluid like it is when "neutral" is selected. This is why you check fluid in Neutral on some cars. I'm not aware of other valving differences between "Park" and "Neutral" but it does show that there are many issues to be addressed.
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i had old econoline with 302/c4 trand and the guy that bought it used a dash mounted dodge shifter in it. must have gotten tired of reaching through floor to shift it! B&M shifter cables are GM cables. if you use a cable shifter make sure yu body to chassis grounds are good or else your shifter cable becomes the ground and will fail! 99% of GM cable failures were a result of disconnected grounds. this is info from old GM tech bullitin from the 70's
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I have heard of the cable becoming the ground many times.
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Old 12-20-2009, 05:02 PM   #40
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I don't know who made made them ( maybe B&M???)
but I remember "back in day" - circa early-to-mid-1960's
when gassers were still commonly running 4-speed
Hydros and Clutch-Hydro trannies, that some of
more professional and 'bucks-up' gas class race cars
used an aftermarket push button shifter quadrant that
came mounted on a chrome plated steel tower that
came up out of the floor where a stick shift would
normally be. Finding one of these, and in workable
condition to boot, nowadays would probably be just
about a miracle, but they did exist. Does anybody
else remember them and know who made them???

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Old 12-20-2009, 05:21 PM   #41
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I suppose if you wanted to get real hightech you could get a linear actuator and drive it with a stepper motor. Seems like alot of hoy-paloy to go wrong though. The mopar mechanism itself is actually pretty foolproof. The cable is attached to one end of a teeter totter lever. The buttons are each provide different stroke while "bottoming" on the teeter totter lever - pretty simple really.

Just gotta figure out park - We gotta have some challenges - right?? ha ha
It would take a little research, but you should be able to find a screw type linear actuator that would have multiple position capability built in. A really good actuator will have the ability to stop in just about any position with speed control as well as accel/decel speeds. Attach it to a shifter cable with custom bracketry and the actuator could be inside the car where it would be safe from the environment, helping it to live longer and be easier to access for repair or tuning.
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Old 12-20-2009, 05:38 PM   #42
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I don't know who made made them ( maybe B&M???)
but I remember "back in day" - circa early-to-mid-1960's
when gassers were still commonly running 4-speed
Hydros and Clutch-Hydro trannies, that some of
more professional and 'bucks-up' gas class race cars
used an aftermarket push button shifter quadrant that
came mounted on a chrome plated steel tower that
came up out of the floor where a stick shift would
normally be. Finding one of these, and in workable
condition to boot, nowadays would probably be just
about a miracle, but they did exist. Does anybody
else remember them and know who made them???

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Seen them on a ClutchFlyte (727 Mopar trans) using a stalk mounted stock pushbutton box, but haven't seen one for a clutched TurboHydromatic. -doesn't mean they dont exist, though.
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Old 12-20-2009, 06:09 PM   #43
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Seen them on a ClutchFlyte (727 Mopar trans) using a stalk mounted stock pushbutton box, but haven't seen one for a clutched TurboHydromatic. -doesn't mean they dont exist, though.
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If they were used on ClutchFlytes, there were
*probably* available for Clutch-and-Non-Clutch
TurboHydramitics too, but the ones I specifically
remember from "back in the day" were for the
older GM 4-speed Hydros and ClutchHydros.

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Old 01-02-2010, 09:57 PM   #44
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I don't know who made made them ( maybe B&M???)
but I remember "back in day" - circa early-to-mid-1960's
when gassers were still commonly running 4-speed
Hydros and Clutch-Hydro trannies, that some of
more professional and 'bucks-up' gas class race cars
used an aftermarket push button shifter quadrant that
came mounted on a chrome plated steel tower that
came up out of the floor where a stick shift would
normally be. Finding one of these, and in workable
condition to boot, nowadays would probably be just
about a miracle, but they did exist. Does anybody
else remember them and know who made them???

Mart3406
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I had one of these shifters in my '64 Plymouth when I raced at Lion's Drag Strip. The shifter was made by Art Carr. I am today building another '64 Plymouth Fury for the street and looking for one of these shifters. If anyone knows where I could find one to buy please let me know. My email is 51thames@sbcglobal.net. Thanks, Rick
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Old 01-02-2010, 11:33 PM   #45
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They were called Nifty-Shifter by Art Carr . I had one for 20 years and sold it a couple of years ago.

I contacted Art several times and he didn't have any parts left but mentioned he would like to make some more "one day"

It was just I piece of curved tubing , swedged square on one end, a flange around the bottom to secure it to the floor.

Buttons were from a A-100 pickup

The trick part was the cast cover, had Art Carr cast in and it had a raised portion around the reverse button to prevent someone from depressing it easily. No Park.

It would be easy to make one using just a flat plate to mount the buttons instead of the Art Carr designed plate.
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Old 01-03-2010, 01:36 AM   #46
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I had this same shifter back in the day. I called Art Carr to see if they could give me any information about it. I talked to a couple of employees and none of them even knew of, or had any idea of what I was talking about. This shifter had a standard mopar push button mechanism from the 50's. If Art Carr could find any records of the production of this shifter. I think today if it could be reproduced it would be a big seller.
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Old 01-03-2010, 02:21 AM   #47
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my buddy Tracy has a sweet push button set up in his model A


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Old 01-03-2010, 10:51 AM   #48
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They were called Nifty-Shifter by Art Carr . I had one for 20 years and sold it a couple of years ago.

I contacted Art several times and he didn't have any parts left but mentioned he would like to make some more "one day"

It was just I piece of curved tubing , swedged square on one end, a flange around the bottom to secure it to the floor.

Buttons were from a A-100 pickup

The trick part was the cast cover, had Art Carr cast in and it had a raised portion around the reverse button to prevent someone from depressing it easily. No Park.

It would be easy to make one using just a flat plate to mount the buttons instead of the Art Carr designed plate.

I think you will find the A-100s had a lever shifter on the dash, not pushbutton. The aluminum 727s (60s) had a seperate lever for park. The shifter buttons would pop out if you put it in park while it was in gear.the gear buttons would not go in while the thing was in park.I have never messed with the old cast iron torque-flites so I can't help on them.
In 1965 Mopar had a reason to change as they offered a floor shifter for the first time,In 1965 the colunm shifter and the floor shifter were cable operated.In 66 they began the standard linkage shifter. Also the 65 cars were the first ones to go to a regular slip yoke on the back instead of the ball and truniun. I have a 1965 727, with a cable shift valvebody and case with a reg yoke and u-joint setup, early 727s had a different spline on the converter also.Someday I will find a 65 savoy to put it in.
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Old 01-03-2010, 12:47 PM   #49
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I talked to Art about the Nifty Shifter also; a couple of years before he passed. It would not be a difficult thing to reproduce, as others have said. Just someone with the drive to get it done. With todays Solid and Catia drawing systems, laser and waterjet cutting, building a shifter better than Mopars would be a piece of cake. Imperial Creations was building a replica of B&M's old "60" Series shifter, basically a dodge van, or console shifter in a nice little chrome box. Genie, LoKar, Bueler?
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Old 01-03-2010, 01:33 PM   #50
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Dodge used a dash mounted cable shifter in some pickups. The same setup is used in some Motor homes. The handle or shifter could be modified or changed. I have a picture of one but don't know how to post it.
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