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Old 05-02-2007, 11:15 AM   #1
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Default Inline 6 Aluminum Cylinder head

hesco is making aluminum cyinderheads for 6 cylinder engines,,,

http://www.hescosc.com/shop.asp?acti...115&catId=7735

and stroker kits,,

One of these engines would be NICE in a hot rod!

http://www.hescosc.com/shop.asp?action=cat&catID=7550
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Old 05-02-2007, 11:18 AM   #2
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Default Re: Inline 6 Aluminum Cylinder head

Awesome. Now I can cram an aluminum head I6 out of a Jeep in my '51. I should probably swap out the front and rear axles as well. Throw on some 33" tires and hit the trails with bellflower tips, full moons, and a panel paint job. There's a time and a place...
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Old 05-02-2007, 11:24 AM   #3
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Default Re: Inline 6 Aluminum Cylinder head

I think that that engine would make a great hot rod engine, that is easy to get, and makes a lot of power,,,six in a row can really go!!

If you can put a 250 or 292 inline in a hot rod why not use one of these that are Cheap, easy to get. with lots of speed parts available?
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Old 05-02-2007, 11:30 AM   #4
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Awesome. Now I can cram an aluminum head I6 out of a Jeep in my '51. I should probably swap out the front and rear axles as well. Throw on some 33" tires and hit the trails with bellflower tips, full moons, and a panel paint job. There's a time and a place...
same idea i had....
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Old 05-02-2007, 12:50 PM   #5
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Default Re: Inline 6 Aluminum Cylinder head

So, 2 grand for a cylinder head, plus about the same amount for a stroker kit, for a cherokee motor??? So, by the time you buy the rest of what you'd need to build the thing, Jesus, we've gotta be talking close to 7 or 8 grand.

Not trying to be a dick and ruin the party or anything, but that sounds to me like overspending and getting less power just so you can say that you run a 6 that isn't even a vintage mill. I can see spending big coin to build a flatty, rocket, hemi, etc, because of the historical significance in our hobby, but spending that kind of jack to have a newer 6 out of a jeep???

Am I missing something????
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Old 05-02-2007, 01:32 PM   #6
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Default Re: Inline 6 Aluminum Cylinder head

Like I said...There's a time and a place. The normal HAMBer isn't looking to throw a Jeep engine into their project. Being a Jeep fanatic, I understand that,"Yes, that head is nice upgrade for a Jeep." BUT, I also understand that IF I had $2K laying around, the last thing on the earth I would probably spend it on is an aluminum head for a Jeep I6. Call me crazy, but isn't this a "traditional hot rod" forum?? Is the Fourwheeler.com forum down?
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Old 05-02-2007, 01:52 PM   #7
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Well, I will respectfully agree to disagree.

It is not really a JEEP ENGINE, it is Really a RAMBLER/AMC engine, which was developed put in Ramblers in the early 1960's.

IMHO, for very little Money, you can buy a salvage Low mileage 4.o AMC/Jeep engine with a FIVE speed STICK with a hyd. clutch throw out brg, with a Factory tubular header and a Alluminum TBI manifold that can be easily made into a 2 or 3 carb setup FOR REAL CHEAP.

You do not need to put on the aluminum head,, the stock Iron head flows great and the later model engines are 9 to 1 compression ratio and have roller lifters.

guys are using 1960's chevy Inline 6 cylinders so why not use a Rambler(AMC) six cylinder in your Modified?

It is a RAMBLER Engine.

PS> if you buy the Whole Cherokee for parts,,It comes with a straight axel front suspension that has Disc brakes already, and a nice narrow rear axel with about 4.10 gears! mor e money saved.
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Old 05-02-2007, 02:00 PM   #8
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here is a picture of a STOCK TBI manifold that could easily be made into a 2 or 3 carb Manifold,,,It is made of aluminum, so welding some home made alluminum carb mounts onto the manifold is easy.

http://www.bustedjeep.com/projects/rebuild/DCP_0992.JPG
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Old 05-02-2007, 02:00 PM   #9
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Alright, if you wanna get all fuckin' technical, Mr. Know-It-All Jeep man, actually the 4.0L Chrysler engine was a spin-off of the AMC 258cid I6 which was a factory powerplant for many years in Jeeps, UNTIL Chrysler purchased Jeep and started plugging the 4.0L into the Jeeps in 1987. Therefore, you're telling lies now. The 4.0L, as you mentioned above, was not put in AMC's and Ramblers in the 60's, as it wasn't a production model until 1987.
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Old 05-02-2007, 02:19 PM   #10
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Dear sir,

The engines are all from the same family, which started out as a Rambler 199 ci 6 cylinder, then went to 232 under AMC, then 258 and then 4.0 liter under Mopar,,, they are al the same engine, just different bores and strokes,,, a 4.0 head will fit a 199 to a 258 .

Just like a chevy 283 engine and 350 chevy are from the same engine family.

ON MANy pre 1955 cars, it is hard to swap in a v8 ibecause the steering gear and steering shaft is in the way.

Installing this Cheap, low milage, locally available in large numbers, engine and 5 speed would be an easy and cheap swap.


IF you want,,you COULD adapt the Pre- 1962 chevy 6 valve cover on to the 4.0 valve cover, and 90% of the people will think it is a Chevy 6 cyl. ( JUST like guys who put early Olds v8 covers on a 350 chevy v8 to make it look like a 1950's olds v8)

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Old 05-02-2007, 02:26 PM   #11
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Default Re: Inline 6 Aluminum Cylinder head

You could also try to polish a terd, but in the end...it's still a piece of shit. Thanks for this wonderful post. I want my 20 minutes back.
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Old 05-02-2007, 02:42 PM   #12
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Default Re: Inline 6 Aluminum Cylinder head

There's one for the small Ford six coming, too.

http://www.classicinlines.com/AluminumHead.asp

It's hard to justify in terms of dollars per hp. The $3000 you spend on a 200 cube inline six with 200-250 hp could also buy you a 325hp LS1 with a transmission (auto or six speed), EFI, harness, and ECU.

But if you need something quirky and different, this would be it.
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Old 05-02-2007, 02:54 PM   #13
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Well sir, for many low buck hot rodders this 242 ci (4.0 liter) inline 6 cylinder engine with the 5 speed stick trans and 4.10 rear axle would be a great candidate to put into many pre 1955 cars that came with a inline 6.

Lets say your a married guy with 2 kids so you do NOT HAVE A lot of $$$$ and you can get a pre- 1955 chevy for Cheap because the 216 ci inline 6 engine is busted, the engine can not be rebuilt or it would be to costly to repair the old engine.

and you can buy a wrecked cherokee for $200 complete.

Now you can put the cherokee drive train into your cheap chevy and be hot rodding down the road for very little money.

many hot roders do not have the MONEY to be purists, they like old cars and want to make them better.

Putting this drive train into a pre 1955 car is cheaper and better than rebuilding the old flat head 6 or 216 six.
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Old 05-02-2007, 03:08 PM   #14
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Default Re: Inline 6 Aluminum Cylinder head

You just don't give up, do you??
Well sir, I am a married man with a baby that will be here in July, but I still manage to find it in my pocket book to buy parts so that I can be a "purist" or whatever in the hell you want to call it. I also work full-time, go to school 3/4 time, and still manage to find time for my wife, and my hot rods, and my car club.
Hilborn fuel injection's a cheap fix too, isn't it?? Yeah. Keep on contradicting yourself. Why doesn't your bio say,"1946 ford coupe with a 1991 4.0L w/ a 3x2 TBI setup"??
This post hasn't been shut down yet?? What a waste of bandwidth. I'm done.
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Old 05-02-2007, 03:46 PM   #15
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put it in a Plymouth Sundance. A real man's car. I could get a wayne head for my 235. or run a stock 350 with the same power for half as much. I'd rather go fast than go broke.
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Old 05-02-2007, 04:01 PM   #16
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Default Re: Inline 6 Aluminum Cylinder head

You don't need a stroker kit for the 4.0 Jeep engines - the AMC 258 crank will fit but the crank snout needs about 1/4" machined off to get pulleys and such to fit. With .060 overbore this crank swap will yield 292cid if I remember correctly.

I can't speak for the normal HAMBer (as I am not normal ) but the AMC 6's are good engines with great torque. And yes, I have one in the wings waiting for the right project to come along.

2 G's for a head though - I can't swallow that.
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Old 05-03-2007, 06:59 AM   #17
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Well sir, for many low buck hot rodders this 242 ci (4.0 liter) inline 6 cylinder engine with the 5 speed stick trans and 4.10 rear axle would be a great candidate to put into many pre 1955 cars that came with a inline 6........

Putting this drive train into a pre 1955 car is cheaper and better than rebuilding the old flat head 6 or 216 six.

I agree. The point where I diverge is when you start to spend a LOT of money in an attempt to build a 300 hp Jeep six cylinder (or Ford six). If you keep it close to stock, it is an economical way to go on a lot of cars, but if you really need 300 hp, go buy an LS1 or 5.0.

Another drivetrain that shoud get more attention is the Ford 300. That one is good for a lot of torque, is tough as nails, has lots of transmission possibilities, and with not too much effort can easily go to 250 hp.
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Old 05-03-2007, 07:21 AM   #18
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Default Re: Inline 6 Aluminum Cylinder head

I'm building one of these "low-buck" strokers for a non-traditional ride right now (1979 AMX). Used a 1993 Jeep 4.0L block, head and manifolds and a 1979 AMC 258 crankshaft and connecting rods. Total displacement is right around 282-cu.in. with a .040 overbore. Expecting about 265hp with the 4.0L EFI and slightly larger fuel injectors.

The HESCO head is only for people who like to throw money around - the 7120 (1991-95) 4.0L head flows just fine from the factory.

The Cherokee engines are available for next to nothing nowadays - I bought my donor 1993 Cherokee for $300.

That said, I wouldn't put it in a traditional-style hot rod. Hell, it looks too high-tech for my AMX.

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You don't need a stroker kit for the 4.0 Jeep engines - the AMC 258 crank will fit but the crank snout needs about 1/4" machined off to get pulleys and such to fit. With .060 overbore this crank swap will yield 292cid if I remember correctly.

I can't speak for the normal HAMBer (as I am not normal ) but the AMC 6's are good engines with great torque. And yes, I have one in the wings waiting for the right project to come along.

2 G's for a head though - I can't swallow that.
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Old 05-03-2007, 09:45 AM   #19
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got some ??

When installing the longer stroke 258 (4.2 Liter) crank into the bigger bore (3 7/8 ") 4.0 ( 242 ci) block

do you use the 4.0 pistons?

if so, which ones? the early pistons or the later pistons?

about what will be the new compression ratio with the 258 crank? 10 to 1?

see KB piston link below,,,


http://kb-silvolite.com/spistons.php...etails&S_id=18

http://kb-silvolite.com/spistons.php...etails&S_id=17

http://kb-silvolite.com/spistons.php...etails&S_id=16

Also what are the rod lengths for the 4.o and the 258?
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Old 05-03-2007, 10:08 AM   #20
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I don't know WTF is wrong with hsheartaches, just doesn't like in-line sixes, I guess. To each his own -- no point in reading this thread if it's not your cup-o-tea!! By the way, the 4.0L was developed from the 1964 AMC/Rambler 232. The 199 didn't come out until 1966 (model year) to replace the ancient 195.6, which was a totally different design. AMc just destroked the 232. A 2006 (last year produced) 4.0L head will bolt to a 1964 block with the only mod being to block some casting wash-out holes in the slightly wider head. The holes are to close to the edge of the older block to seal properly. This needs to be done to use the newer head on all pre 87 blocks. 87-89 258 blocks use the wider block casting.

I built a stroker using this combination back in 1999 when there were only 3-4 others running around. No kits, just some talk and an article by Phil Tooney (I might be off on the name, using memory here!), an AMC engineer who used a Mexican AMC six (bore is the same as the 4.0L, stroke same as 258) to build a "hot" AMC six in the late 80s. Part of the results of that experimentation was the 4.0L bore/stroke combo. Mine only produces 250 hp due to my choice of cam and running a stock 87 throttle body and head (things I'll eventually change). It produces about 300 lb/ft of torque. It preforms rather well in my 3200 pound Rambler wagon, which has a flamed paint job, Jag rear axle, and T-bird rack-n-pinion steering. A mild rod.

That said, I agree with you about throwing money at a small engine for more power. There comes a time when you just have to go to something bigger. Flathead Ford V-8 lovers have the same problem. They can spend $$$$$ on blowers and such, but could have used a typical SBC or SBF and got as much power or more for a lot less money -- close to the same cost as a blower setup for the flathead V-8. Unless you're really enamored with that particular engine, be it an AMC/Jeep six or a Flathead Ford V-8, there's not much point in throwing lots of money at it for a small gain. If I had to have more than about 280 hp, I'd pull the six and drop in an AMC V-8, and I'm an AMC six lover! I can't see $2K for an aluminum head to gain about 20 hp, and then only from other mods (like higher compression) that will add even more to the total cost. Of course I could just get a much lighter car... 250 hp in a Track-T would be more than enough!
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