THE oldsmobile rocket 303 324 371 394 post to end all other posts, (lasalle related )

[RocketDaemon]

introduction:

Allright there is alot of olds posts here and there with information back and forth, making it hard to find information

so i figured i would try to make some sort of efford to gather all valid information and make some sort of faq post, that i will edit after things are sorted out and new things are added so everything is
sorted into catagories

I claim not to be an expert in anyway, i want to be though i crave more knowledge, and there for i wish to make it easier to overview and grasp all oldsmobile info there is...

all links to companies are in the links posts so its easier to keep them updated incase something changes..

I have set up an FOTKI account to host all pictures
PLEASE EMAIL ALL
PICTURES TO OLDSROCKET@FOTKI.COM
THE BIGGER THE PICTURE IS THE BETTER, PLEASE DO NOT RESIZE
PLEASE DO NOT POST PICTURES IN THIS THREAD IF POSSIBLE

here is the photoalbum i will post everything i have gathered
http://public.fotki.com/oldsrocket/

Thanx to everyone who helps expand this post:

Paul, heathen, Royalcrown32 etc



PLEASE if i enter something that is wrong/false please correct me...

[RocketDaemon]

year: cui: block#: head#:

1949 - 303 cui
1950 - 303 cui
1951 - 303 cui
1952 - 303 cui
1953 - 303 cui
1954 - 324 cui #7
1955 - 324 cui #8
1956 - 324 cui #10
1957 - 371 cui
1958 - 371 cui

2009 - 371 cui - 1957 style in aluminium!,
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=347142

- the 394 years
note that 371 from 1959+ is a small bore 394

1959 - 371 cui
1959 - 394 cui
1960 - 371 cui
1960 - 394 cui
1961 - 394 cui
1962 - 394 cui
1963 - 394 cui
1964 - 394 cui

[RocketDaemon]

edelbrock:
1949-1957

edmunds:
1949-1956 303-324 - (do these clear 1957-1958 heads?)

Hildebrandt:
1949-1958 - 303,324,371

mooneyes:
no named for 1949-1958


offenhauser: part no#
1949-1956 for 303-324 - 3286 (to low to use on 371)
1957-1958 for 371 - 3286-7 (should be possible to use on 303-324)
1959-1964 for 371*-394 - 4059

weiand:
dual purpouse, also fit studebaker
fits 303-324 (tall enough for 371?)

* notes small bore 371, not same as 1957-1958



Nos edelbrock 394 valve covers



Edmunds




weiand

[RocketDaemon]

Fuel injection
Hilborn:
made several for olds, atleast 3, 303, 371 and 394 to my knowledge
these could ether be dist driven or camshaftdriven by using an timing cover..
or driven by fan belt , belive there was an beltdrive part to put on the same
pump that would go on an timing cover.


Supercharger - blower intakes , crank pulley and all parts surrounding

cragar:
cragar made as far as i know 4:71 intakes + 6:71 intakes

i belive 471 cragar intake came with and without water passage in front
(as seen in pic below)

i've seen on ebay quite often that cadilliac 471 intakes are misstaken
as oldsintakes, so beware, but on the otherhand cadillac cragar intakes
bring a little more money so in worst case you just can flip it and earn something from it incase you bought the wrong item...


Weiand:

1949-1956 - 303-324 - for 6:71
1957-1958 - 371 - for 6:71
1959-1964 - 371*-394 - for 6:71


Supercharger - blower brackets
Mcculloch supercharger bracket
Mcculloch made an bracket to put the vs-57 supercharger (the one studebakers and kaisers used), on an stock or aftermarket intake, it will basicly mount
on all intakes that has the generator holes on the driverside, but might not clear
for instance 3x2 edelbrock intake, i have an such bracket and and a couple of ol-396 edelbrock intakes, but i do not have an supercharger but seems supercharger would interfeer with first carb, but will of course work on stock intakes,
with either airbox or xxxxxx.....
i got some old mcculloch parts manual that i will scan and add here asap.
more info to follow
also needed is a crank pulley...

Carburator intakes

edelbrock:

1949-1956 - 303-324 - ol-396 - 3x2 for stromberg carbs
1949-1956 - 303-324 - ol-396 - 3x2 for rochester carbs, same part number but seem to be a different casting, only seen one once on ebay on pic.. where you mount carbs look diffrent then the one u use stromberg carbs with
1949-1956 - 303-324 - ol-496 - 4x2 for stromberg carbs
1959-1964 - 371*-394 - o263 - 2x4
1959-1964 - 371*-394 - O96 ML - 6x2 for stromberg carbs, note intake has no water provision, need "external"

Edmunds:
1949-1953 - 303 - 2x2 intake

Horne:
1949-1954 - 303 - 4x2 - stromberg intake

offenhauser:

digging into the earlier 180 degree intakes also...

1949-1953 - 303 - 3200 - 2x4 - 360 degree ? no heat
1954-1956 - 324 - 4060 - 3x2 - 360 degree ? for rochesters
1954-1956 - 324 - 5257-TP - 3x2 - rochester
1954-1956 - 324 - 5257 - 3x2 - large base rochester
1957-1958 - 371 - 4061 - 3x2 - 360 degree ? for rochesters
1957-1958 - 371 - 5258-TP - 3x2 - rochester
1957-1958 - 371 - 5258 - 3x2 - large base rochester
1959-1964 - 371*-394 - 5183 - 2x4 - 360 degree ?
1959-1964 - 371*-394 - 5606 - 2x4 - quadrajet low rise
1959-1964 - 371*-394 - 5753 - 2x4 - quadrajet high rise
1959-1964 - 371*-394 - 5259-TP - 3x2 - rochester
1959-1964 - 371*-394 - 5259 - 3x2 - large base rochester

Gaskets:
offenhauser:
1949-1953 - 303 - 3312
1954-1956 - 324 - 3313
1957-1958 - 371 - 3931
1959-1964 - 371*-394 - 5211



* notes small bore 394 with 371 cui, not same as 1957-1958 block


My supercharger setup for my 394 olds rocket engine


http://public.fotki.com/oldsrocket/s...-471-intake-a/
more pictures (thanx royalcrown32)



edelbrock ol-396 3x2 intake



Edmunds 303 2x2 rochester style intake with edmunds aircleaners (thanx to hat man)


horne 303 intake


early 180 degree 303 intake?

[RocketDaemon]

Note on transmissions, i will ONLY include all lasalle transmission, the "buick" style selector 1951+ manual, hydramatics + 1953 dynaflow,
there is adapters to use "1939" ford trannys aswell as t-10, t-5 style etc i see no need to have any indepth information regarding those transmissions except on how to mate them to the rocket...


Manual transmissions

1949: No manual transmission

1950: the only year of the side shift lasalle tranny with short tailshaft + only bellhousing from olds that works with other lasalle trannys

1951+ not same as 1950 olds, lasalle do not bolt up, same flywheel and clutch though,1951+ is a selecter type, not as bullet proof as lasalle 1951+ can use early buick tranny though, early buick trannys are almost ast bulletproof as lasalle, some parts even interchange inside them

note that cadillac 1949?, 1950,1951,1952,1953,1954 has the same bellhousing as oldsmobile, and that many ambulances aswell as funeral cars could have lasalle trannys, though is 1950 olds the ONLY year with shorty tailshaft, the 1949-1954 has the same bellhousing as 1950 olds though ( i am not 100% sure if 1954 cadillac had the manual trans, did they share infact the same flywheel as earlier olds in 1954 for manual or did they use 176 gear flywheel in 1954?, i own an 1953 cadillac tranny .. pics below)


Flywheels:
Oldsmobile 1949 - 1953 (303) - 145 teeth
Oldsmobile 1954 - 1960 (324 + 371) - 176 teeth
Oldsmobile 1961 - 1964 (late 371 + 394) - 176 teeth

Automatic trannys
1949 -
1950 -
1951 -
1952 -
1953 -
1953 - dynaflow

adapters:
offenhauser:
1949-1964 303-394 - all engines - #0301 - to 32-48 ford and 39-50 mercury and up to 1952 truck
1949-1964 - 303-394 - all engines - #5857 - olds to 3speed t-90 4wdr tranny
1949-1964 - 303-394 - all engines - #5858 - olds to 3speed toyota tranny

starter switcher
to move starter to passengerside to clear steering on hotrods.

hildebrandt:

offenhauser:
1949-1964 - 303-394 - #3605

wilcap:


pics of flywheels:




pics of transmissions etc:


this is my 1950 olds transmission with hurst shifter



this is my 1953 cadillac ambulance tranny with hurst mystery shifter

bellhousing pictures:


eelco





1950 olds bellhousing



1951 olds bellhousing


offenhauser #0304 adapter

offenhauser #3605 starter switcher

automatic trannys:


b&m hydra stick

[RocketDaemon]

Engine mounts

stock:

aftermarked:

hurst:



CT:



oil filter adapters:

hildebrandt:

offenhauser
1949-1958 Oldsmobile: 1949-58 By-Pass Adapter - 3604 (same as below?)
1949-1958 Oldsmobile: 1949-58 By-Pass Adapter - 100
1959-1964 Oil Filter Block Off Plate - #5317 (same as below?)1959-1964 Oil Filter Bypass Adapter - 101
1959-1964 Oil Filter Block Off Plate - #5318 (same as below?)
1959-1964 Oil Filter Bypass Adapter - 101


1949-1958 Oldsmobile: 1949-58 By-Pass Adapter - 100

[RocketDaemon]

soon

[RocketDaemon]

Fenton:
fenton made an cast iron header for the 303 olds

gear-drive lake headers:

exhaust gaskets see gasket post:


Gear drive - lake headers

[RocketDaemon]

to my knowledge all valley covers interchange

aftermarked manufacturers

mooneyes:

eelco:

unknown:

[RocketDaemon]

aftermarket magnetos and dists:

Joe Hunt:
magneto for all rockets, still avaible from joe hunt magnetos
fake magnetos



olds cirillo/schieffer frankenstien mag 394

[RocketDaemon]

this is an real cool item i found on ebay that sure will come in use



it is used to position the pushrods and valves when they are taken out of the engine so you know where they are, or well having the all new parts ready for assemble

2 more pics at http://public.fotki.com/oldsrocket/a...ghs-valve-pos/

[RocketDaemon]

felpro
full gasket sets:

1954 - 324 -

offenhauser
intake gaskets:

1949-1953 - 303 - #3312
1954-1956 - 324 - #3313
1957-1958 - 371 - #3941
1959-1960 - 371*-394 - #5211


exhaust gaskets:

1954-1956 - 324 - #5425
1957-1958 - 371 - #5426
1959-1960 - 371* - #5427
1961-1963 - 394 - #5428

[RocketDaemon]

Links to parts suppliers that sell oldsmobile rocket stuff
offenhauser stuff:
http://www.exeterautosupply.com - support dmarv and get hamb alliance discounts
http://www.offyparts.com/

http://www.huntmagnetos.com/ - joe hunt magnetos STILL sell rocket magentos aswell as magneto lookalike dists

exhaust:
www.lakeheaders.com - gear drive, makes and sells lake headers

engine parts for rebuilding:
http://www.kanter.com
http://www.egge.com

Transmission parts:
http://www.wilcap.com - transmission adapters + flywheels
http://www.transmissionadapters.com - transmission adapters + flywheels

[Paul]

a good start for anyone that is interested in these motors would be to read this thread in the Tech Archives.

Early Olds Rocket tech summary

[HEATHEN]

Originally Posted by Paul

a good start for anyone that is interested in these motors would be to read this thread in the Tech Archives.

Early Olds Rocket tech summary

One note on the Cadillac bell housing--it will fit the Olds block and uses the LaSalle type transmission, but does not have provisions for mounts like the Olds bell has.

[RocketDaemon]

paul:
kinda hard to find the info when so many people post, i just wanted to clean everything up and gather even moer information and pictures then anyone did before..

heathen:
are you sure? my black 1953 bellhousing and 1950 olds bellhousing seems to be the same? havent compared exactly but just looking on the pics they seem the same, what mounts are you refering to? the ones on the side? that the black one has? maybe my black isnt 1953 caddy but 1950 olds? not impossible as i was just told it was 1953 caddy, could be 1950 olds bellhousing with earlier lasalle tranny

[HEATHEN]

Originally Posted by RocketDaemon

paul:
kinda hard to find the info when so many people post, i just wanted to clean everything up and gather even moer information and pictures then anyone did before..

heathen:
are you sure? my black 1953 bellhousing and 1950 olds bellhousing seems to be the same? havent compared exactly but just looking on the pics they seem the same, what mounts are you refering to? the ones on the side? that the black one has? maybe my black isnt 1953 caddy but 1950 olds? not impossible as i was just told it was 1953 caddy, could be 1950 olds bellhousing with earlier lasalle tranny

When I dig out the Fenton headers for a photo shoot, I'll take you one of my Cadillac bell housing as well. Other than no mount provision, it also has cast in strengthening ribs.

[Stone]

Thanks for the info. With some much stuff out there being posted I found it hard to search and get the answers I was looking for.
Again thanks. I found this on the web. Kinda gives the storie on what went into dsesigning the rocket.
http://www.autohistory.org/feature_8.html

[racer756]

Thank you for consolidating this info. It IS very helpful.

[Durod]

man i've got all tha badass rocket threads saved somewhere on here. lemme see what i can dig up... thanks Daemon, you rule.

[the shadow]

here's a few performance things I have laying around for olds

olds cirillo/schieffer frankenstien mag 394
weiand 04D 2X4 intake 49-56 303-324 olds
edelbrock OL398 3 X 2 intake 49-56 303-324 olds
hildebrant starter relocator #54-2 (394?)
weiand finned timing cover (371?-394)

[Durod]

ooooh man that 'Frankenstein' mag for 394s is a super sweet piece..!!

[Billy the kid]

I aquired my first rocket yesterday, a 53 303. This thread has taught me a lot already. I will be going to the back yard very soon to see what I can find on the survivor. Thanks for the effort and the info.

[RocketDaemon]

thanx for all the info everyone is adding, i will try to post stuff into this thread everyday if possible.

i added some stuff lastnight and this morning, there is still alot to add, i've got some stuff still in my head to write down, aswell as hunt down all the other posts and gather information from them..

[Dago 88]

Thanks Daemon, love it. Do you need more pics ? I have a Hildebrandt starter cross over if you like & some other goodies. If you like i can take some pics on the week end.
Cheers Dago.

[kustomolds]

Great thread! You are right, there is a lot of info on this board and it will be great having most all of it right here in one thread.....

[seymour]

If my internet is working later this week, I'll dig out some of my Olds junk.

[CGkidd]

I wiash I was at home to take pics of some of my items. I have a Weiand tripower for the 324 and Cragar 4 deuce.

[**MCQUEEN**]

I'll play

[RetroJoe]

It would be nice if this could be made into a sticky! I have a 56' Olds that I am building and am always looking for info on them.
Does anyone know if you can adapt a newer trans to the 324?

[dragnut]

Originally Posted by the shadow

here's a few performance things I have laying around for olds

olds cirillo/schieffer frankenstien mag 394
weiand 04D 2X4 intake 49-56 303-324 olds
edelbrock OL398 3 X 2 intake 49-56 303-324 olds
hildebrant starter relocator #54-2 (394?)
weiand finned timing cover (371?-394)

Correction: Although referred to as a Frankenstein Magneto a few times in this post, this mag doesn't have a specific name, but is most commonly called a Harmon/Collins style, Schieffer, or Cirello-Schieffer Magneto. Cirello did make and market a Frankenstein Magneto ( with bitchen graphics ) I will enclose a link to a Cirello page.
Damon, cool idea with consolidating everything. I will try to get you some pics of some junk I have collecting dust. D.

www.nitrogeezers.com/Cirello%20Two.htm

[dragnut]

Originally Posted by RetroJoe

It would be nice if this could be made into a sticky! I have a 56' Olds that I am building and am always looking for info on them.
Does anyone know if you can adapt a newer trans to the 324?

Yes you can. It will cost a little bit of dough though. Just ask Coaltown-- LOL

[RetroJoe]

Originally Posted by dragnut

Yes you can. It will cost a little bit of dough though. Just ask Coaltown-- LOL

I'm afraid to ask now! I guess it would be cheaper to install a Chevy motor/trans in it, but I would be killed by the Olds guys!

[RocketDaemon]

Originally Posted by RetroJoe

It would be nice if this could be made into a sticky! I have a 56' Olds that I am building and am always looking for info on them.
Does anyone know if you can adapt a newer trans to the 324?

if you had read the link adresses you would have found this page

www.transmissionadapters.com

[touchdowntodd]

my sharp intake... rare as they come...

cant believe i was first in line on those edmunds valve covers and had to pass

[seymour]

Hey Daemon... what happened to the photos???

[RocketDaemon]

Hey everyone, photos is "gone" just because i apperantly have to pay for the fotki.com service, so either i will pay or find another photosite, don't mind the paying part if somethign works fine, might change to photobucket if thats better

photoswill be back in a couple of days along with more pics i saved.
havent had time to manage this thread yet, but i havent forgotten about it i will keep on posting here!

http://public.fotki.com/oldsrocket/
pics can still be seen there though, linking just dont work right now

[Rocket]

good thread thanks for sharing

[STEPHEN FIELDS]

Was the 57 J-2 the only olds rocket to come stock with tri-power?

[HEATHEN]

Originally Posted by STEPHEN FIELDS

Was the 57 J-2 the only olds rocket to come stock with tri-power?

It was available in '57-'58.

[55olds88]

Originally Posted by RetroJoe

I'm afraid to ask now! I guess it would be cheaper to install a Chevy motor/trans in it, but I would be killed by the Olds guys!

also check the Tech there is a DIY adaptor for later auto in there.

[vintakes]

olds cam and lifters
49-55 cams interchange app 1 3/4" cam bearing dia lifters same dia as chevy
56-58 cams app 2" cam bearing dia use large 921 lifters
59-64 cams longer than 58 also uses 921 dia lifters
late model olds diesels use 921 lifters simply collaspse to make into a solid lifter
not sure when olds went to the larger cam journal sizes or if any motors carried over in yrs john

[nummnut]

keep it comeing grat post.thanks

[Wasahawaiianrat]

I'd really be interested in the mcculloch supercharger info/ brackets for the olds. I was thinking about puting one on mine because they put out a low amount of boost and my motor has high comp with the jahns pop tops.

[DeucePhaeton]

Originally Posted by STEPHEN FIELDS

Was the 57 J-2 the only olds rocket to come stock with tri-power?

this is outta the years dicussed here but the 66 442 had a dealer installed optional 3x2 set up avalible.

[Blownolds]

The only Olds years ever available from the factory with 3x2 was '57-8 and '66. J2 was '57-8 371 only.

[DeucePhaeton]

Originally Posted by Blownolds

The only Olds years ever available from the factory with 3x2 was '57-8 and '66. J2 was '57-8 371 only.

My comment was in addition to the J-2 from 57 and 58.

Another addition: Not all J-2 manifolds came as J-2s.
Explaination: My father bought a 58 Olds in 1958. Car came as a 2bbl and had a J-2 intake with plates over the end carb mounting positions.
he told me this years ago in conversation about car stuff. He was a General Foreman in the Engine Plant at Olds in Lansing. Said quality was different then. It was a way to lose the inventory not sold. (ordered as J-2s)

[Omega]

What happened to the pics?

[yorgatron]

Originally Posted by Omega

What happened to the pics?

i'd like to know that too.

we should work on this so i can stop getting phone calls and PMs alll the damn time.

BTW anybody who is curious,NO, i will not rebuild your hydro,NO, i do not have a "spare" flywheel,and NO, i do not have any adjustable rocker arms.

i WILL photocopy articles and service manuals,and i WILL help you adjust your hydro if you live nearby,and if you are willing to pay for the pizza.

[61cad]

Transmission adapter:

Cragar 301A ,1949-1964 Oldsmobile V8 mates to Early Ford Transmission, Plate Style Adapter, Comes with pilot bearing adapters.

I have 3 of these, and they are FOR SALE!

[Little Wing]

Originally Posted by RetroJoe

I'm afraid to ask now! I guess it would be cheaper to install a Chevy motor/trans in it, but I would be killed by the Olds guys!

Here's a Chevy that ended up with an Old's,,lol,,,though supposedly it was the thing to do back in the day

[3x2rocket]

This thread RULES! Its like a beacon to a fella in my situation!
Does anyone know what engines will bolt up to a 55' olds hydramatic? Second question: Does anyone have an engine that'll bolt up to this transmission they are interested in selling?

[RocketDaemon]

BEHOLD pictures are back up!, coughed up 30 bux for an 1 year subscription to fotki
added some pictures in the album , added a picture of my supercharger setup also

[mpls|cafe|racer]

When are you gonna add a picture of you boxing the supercharger setup up to send it to me?

[RocketDaemon]

Originally Posted by 3x2rocket

This thread RULES! Its like a beacon to a fella in my situation!
Does anyone know what engines will bolt up to a 55' olds hydramatic? Second question: Does anyone have an engine that'll bolt up to this transmission they are interested in selling?

any 1949-1964 olds engine
or cadillac 1949-1954

or getting an correct bellhousing you could put it on an csb

but i would of course recommend the oldsmobile route

[Paul]

three bells for the Olds motor to Cad Lasalle transmission
two aftermarket one stock

[backyardbeliever]

DAEMON i just caught this thread for the first time. WoW great thread , im finishing up my build on my blown 394 for my 37 chevy gasser. and in the process of that build i have learned the HARD way how to identify weiand WO671 intakes. In the picture you posted of yor 394 blower setup. take a close look at the intake mounting holes and you will notice they are drilled in a slightly different position in the cast in space provided in the raw casting (easy to notice on the center ones)as Weiand used the same casting for all years 49-64. (besides the diff. in pop off location) they just drilled the mounting
holes for the different years in just slightly different spots. The pic you posted (labled 394 blower setup) is of a 49-56 WO671 intake . Here is one of a 59-64 394" WO671 notice the hole location in the center. Dont be fooled by port size on these intakes most have been cut. as i stated i have learned the hard way as i own 4 of these.
weiand did stamp a number or a letter between Weiand and WO671

"56" or "A" = 54-56
"57" or "58" or "B"= 57-58
"59" or "C" = 59-64

i hope this helps the post , ill take some pics of my goodies and post em. Thanks

[RocketDaemon]

Hey!

ohh so i don't have an 394 blower intake afterall?
well goodthing is that i got several olds engines, 303,324,371,and 2 394's so i can use it on another engine instead
but darn in that case my plans for my 1934 coupe is alittle bit halted at the moment though .

[backyardbeliever]

well the one i have pictured is a extra 394 one i have . anything to trade? what is your manifold stamped number or letter?

[TrailerTrash]

Man, here i thought you had to swear a blood oath not to divulge this info in order to have access to these "secrets"...LOL!
Thanks RocketDaemon for taking the time to share this with us!!

[kiwi88]

Thanks for the info Daemon. Can you tell me, will an edelbrock ol-396 3x2 intake fit to an Olds 303? Thanks

[RocketDaemon]

no problem, but its not all my work i've learned alot and "stole" alot from other threads here on hamb aswell

yes it will, it never hurts to port match the heads though
or intake etc..the ol-396+ol-496 intakes all fit all 303-324 engines but intake ports on either head or intake might not be 100% the same, so if you want to earn som hp matching never hurts..

[kiwi88]

Thanks.

Another little challenge I have is we are missing a roker arm for my 303. Replacements I got from Egge are slightly longer and lead me to believe they are from a later model motor. Talking with Gary at Rocker Arm Specialists to see what they can do. Do you have any other suggestions? This is all we're waiting on to get my rod going and I'm not as patient as I used to be.

[Paul]

the longer ratio arms need the coresponding towers
to center the push rods in their guide holes

but are worth a few more horse power if ya do

[Paul]

thinking about this one again,
does your short ratio rocker take the smaller 1/4" diameter push rods?
the longer ratio rocker should take the larger 5/16" diameter rods
so that means to do the swap you might need lifters, rods and towers
and new lifters should go on a new cam...

stock cam could be reground if it's a good one, might be a good time to add some "bump" it
early (all?) 303s will take a common Chevy lifter
and check push rod length, they should be "off the shelf" stuff too

[HEATHEN]

You should use the larger pushrods with the 1.8 rockers, but the early lifters can stay.

[backyardbeliever]

does anybody happen to know if a 455 bronze dist. gear can be made to work on my 394 roller cam? It looks like it would work . has anybody done this?

[superjunkman]

Thanks Daemon, great thread. I read all the text and clicked all the links and am still a little confused. I'm going to be putting a 324 with a j-2 intake machined to fit in my roadster. I really want a manual transmission. I don't see any reference to any olds standards for the 324. Was the Hydramatic all you could get? If I want to use a more modern GM manual is spending $1,400 on the adapter kit my only or best option?

[HEATHEN]

The standard transmission that Oldsmobile used from '51 into the early '60s was a "selector" three speed that had a unique bolt pattern and the only companies I know of that ever made a floor shift conversion for it are Ansen and Drag Fast, both of which are long out of production. My '64 Hot Rod magazines have ads for four speed equipped Starfires, but I've never seen one.

[arkracing]

Lots of great info here.

I have a dumb question

I know you have the years for cid listed, but what types of cars should we be looking in? I know "Starliner" is mentioned alot. Do all Olds cars in those years have "Rocket's" in them.

I'd love to find a '61-'64 394 or a earlier 371, but not really sure what type of car I'm looking in - anybody have pictures of what these came in or have a source for pictures? Even pictures of the earlier cars as well so some of us rookies know what to look for.

Thanks

[HEATHEN]

All '57-'58 Oldsmobiles were 371 equipped. The cheaper '59-'60 models had 371s, and the more upscale models had 394s. All '61-'64s had 394s, except cheap '64s, which came with the new 330. '59-'60 371s were a high deck block like the 394s.

[DeucePhaeton]

When Olds went to the overhead valve engine in 49 they started the "Rocket" theme. That was used by Oldsmobile pretty much from then until the engine went away about 1988. The "Rocket" engines were the V-8s produced in Lansing. All Oldsmobile V-8 engines were produced in Lansing but now all Olsmobile V-8 cars had engines from Olds. ie 1977s.....
For your search just look for any Olds up through 1958 for the 303, 324 and 371 config. The 59-64 full size cars for the 371 later design and 394 except the less expensive full size models. The early 371s mount the valve covers thru the center of the cover. The later mount at the perimeter.
Hope this helps you a little.
Brian

[skunk victim]

is there any problem bolting a complete 49-53 cadillac bellhousing to a olds rocket? i dont think there is but maybe i am missing something

[malkintent]

guys this is a great thread thanks for all the info.

again

[55olds88]

by the looks this hasn't been covered, will 57 heads fit earlier engines ? I know 56's are better then 55's they are also harder to get, do 57's fit and if so what needs to be done ??

[bushwacker 57]

i have a cad bellhouseing appears the clutch fork is mounted lower than olds . compare and see.

[HEATHEN]

Originally Posted by 55olds88

by the looks this hasn't been covered, will 57 heads fit earlier engines ? I know 56's are better then 55's they are also harder to get, do 57's fit and if so what needs to be done ??

Yes, '57-'58 heads can be used on earlier blocks, but since the corresponding intake is too wide for the '49-'56 block, you'll have to port match an early intake to the larger head ports as best you can. Also, the '57-'58 rocker shafts are slightly longer, and will need either the late valve covers, or reliefs beat or ground (tin or aluminum) into the early covers.

[HEATHEN]

Originally Posted by bushwacker 57

i have a cad bellhouseing appears the clutch fork is mounted lower than olds . compare and see.

Also, the Cadillac bell housing has no provisions for mounts.

[bushwacker 57]

HEATHEN rocker shaft dia is cad - olds is it the same. 49 up thanks.

[HEATHEN]

Cadillac rocker shaft diameter is not the same as Oldsmobile.

[55olds88]

FYI there is a mob selling new Olds Rocker shafts on ebay at the moment, pretty reasnoble pricing too.
Thx for the 371 head info.

[unclescooby]

Great thread. I'm wondering about actual physical size though. I'm assuming that a 394 is physically not larger than a 303 right? Just a bore and stroke difference? How much larger than a small block chevy in size is a 394?

[HEATHEN]

Yes, a 394 is a bit larger than a 303, due to the deck height being taller, which makes for a wider block.

[unclescooby]

Thanks. Any idea on weight?

[gwhite]

Speaking of width, can anyone measure the width of both a low-deck and tall-deck for comparison's sake. Overall width and width from exhaust manifold to exhaust manifold would be nice.

Thanks!

[langy]

My 394 isn't much longer than the SBC it replaced although its a whole lot wider.

Originally Posted by unclescooby

Great thread. I'm wondering about actual physical size though. I'm assuming that a 394 is physically not larger than a 303 right? Just a bore and stroke difference? How much larger than a small block chevy in size is a 394?

[jakespeed63]

Got a complete '64 Starfire engine with all the accessories, under the workbench.
Width @exhaust manifolds:24"
Heightil pan to carb top:26"
Length;water pump to bellhousing:31"

Weight: Them Sum-Bitches are heavy as a boat anchor, almost crushed Nads chest puttin' mine in the Olds.
Betcha it weighs every bit of 500lbs, probably 750 with all the accessories.
JT

[ocfab]

Can anyone tell me what 5 speed trans i can adapt to the offenhauser #0304 adapter? i can weld up the mounting holes and re-tap. just not sure what trans would have the correct shaft length. i plan to put it in my 32 ford

[GOATROPER02]

I have new aluminum bellhousings for early rockets for use with a muncie or 5 speed

Thanks,Tony

Ross Racing Engines
Niles,Ohio
330-544-4466

[BianchiCorp]

Heres My Tocket!

[1949Olds98holland]

This is great information SUPER.....

Now a real stupid question
I have an 1949 olds 98 2dr Club Sedan. Sadly no body parts appear to match any other oldsmobiles or Chevy's. The problem is the longer wheelbase 122 inch instead of 119,5. My question where is this extra 2,5 inch added. Is it in the body or fenders? Where exactly is my car longer than a 88 2dr club sedan.

Hope someone can help

[Dago 88]

I think you will find it is longer in the front sheet metal .The 98 body is the same as Buick & Cadillac, & the 88 body is the same as Pontiac & Chev from the cowel back. I have also noted that 98's have removable rear guards & the 88's don't. Can any Rocketeer's confirm this? Got any pics of your car ?
Hope I was off some help. Cheers Dago.

[1949Olds98holland]

[1949Olds98holland]

Thats the car... The reason I am asking is I need to replace almost everything.

After looking at a lot of pictures I think I can use the rear lower qtrs from a 1949 chevy for restoring my qtrs (my qtrs are already molded to the body) The general shape is the same. Am I correct?

I will be using 53 front fenders for restoring my 49 fenders I will let you know how this can be done when I receive them

Since I live in Holland there are not to many parts available so I have to work with what I can obtain through ebay and such

[Large_911]

Outstanding thread! I have two items to add:

1) I worked w/ Copper Gaskets Unlimited in AZ and they made me copper exhaust gaskets for a 1957 371 and they are now in thier database.

2) Currently working w/ Harland Sharp for custom roller rockers (works on stock shafts) for the 371. I received one initial protype a few months back and I am currently awaiting the next round. I will keep you all posted...

[GOATROPER02]

We do brand new new roller rockers for 303,324,371 and also 394
All in stock if your needing some

Thanks,Tony

Ross Racing Engines
Niles,Ohio
330-544-4466

Originally Posted by Large_911

Outstanding thread! I have two items to add:

1) I worked w/ Copper Gaskets Unlimited in AZ and they made me copper exhaust gaskets for a 1957 371 and they are now in thier database.

2) Currently working w/ Harland Sharp for custom roller rockers (works on stock shafts) for the 371. I received one initial protype a few months back and I am currently awaiting the next round. I will keep you all posted...

[fordsteel]

I'll add something that was mentioned back on page one
Haven't seen many of these around. This is a McCullouh supercharger bracket to put a VS57 on a 50-56 olds. Hopefully it will get uses one day

[langy]

Tony you have mail.

Originally Posted by GOATROPER02

We do brand new new roller rockers for 303,324,371 and also 394
All in stock if your needing some

Thanks,Tony

Ross Racing Engines
Niles,Ohio
330-544-4466

[Large_911]

Just got the rockers in; here they are:

Originally Posted by Large_911

Outstanding thread! I have two items to add:

1) I worked w/ Copper Gaskets Unlimited in AZ and they made me copper exhaust gaskets for a 1957 371 and they are now in thier database.

2) Currently working w/ Harland Sharp for custom roller rockers (works on stock shafts) for the 371. I received one initial protype a few months back and I am currently awaiting the next round. I will keep you all posted...

[GOATROPER02]

Looks nice,Heres the ones we've been doing for 3-4 years now complete with our billet stands
I also do offset for the 394

Tony

Ross Racing Engines
Niles,Ohio
330-544-4466

[aerorocket]

I purchased an adjustable rocker assembly from Tony for my 394 and it is a quality piece. Tony as well as the others at Ross are very helpful, great to deal with, I would highly reccomend doing buiness with them.

[buick320a]

Tony.............about those rockers, what ratio do they come in? and is the shafts tha same dia. as stock? thanks

[Large_911]

Originally Posted by GOATROPER02

Looks nice,Heres the ones we've been doing for 3-4 years now complete with our billet stands
I also do offset for the 394

Tony

Ross Racing Engines
Niles,Ohio
330-544-4466

Those are beautiful peices. We were in touch about a year ago regarding them (I was not a member of the HAMB at the time).

[GOATROPER02]

Originally Posted by buick320a

Tony.............about those rockers, what ratio do they come in? and is the shafts tha same dia. as stock? thanks

They are 1.8 ratio and shafts are stock size

Tony

Ross Racing Engines
Niles,Ohio
330-544-4466

[RocketDaemon]

Guys, .. even though it was posted a while back and i haven't been here for almost one year,... this is an post about OLDSMOBILE ENGINES
not sheetmetal and brakes etc.. ONLY engine/transmission related.... (could maybe expand to olds rear ends though but ahwell..)

the fotki pic page is down due to that i havent paid anual fee
i will sort that out in the next few days and post new pics there etc..

[F&J]

i will sort that out in the next few days and post new pics there etc..

Thanks in advance for new pics, glad you are back

[57olds]

Here are some Vintage 1957 Olds J-2 pictures.
Enjoy

[fanspete]

Here's mine, going in my Dad's Henry J.

[Large_911]

Glad to see this old thread alive again.

57olds -- thanks for posting the vintage pics.

fanspete -- that set up looks badass!

[flatoz]

I read an article that I found by accident in an early american rodder on early Olds rockets and this was prior to their being rebuild kits around. they said that FE 352 pistons fit and have the same pin height etc, just bore the motor out and from memory you get a 346.

[Paul]

Originally Posted by 57olds

Here are some Vintage 1957 Olds J-2 pictures.
Enjoy

those pictures are priceless

[CGkidd]

Flatoz you are correct. You also have to replace the bushing on the small end and hone it for the 352 pin which is smaller than the olds pin. Stock bushings will work. I concure with Paul those pictures are priceless.

[panhead_pete]

Hi guys, do the 371's mount from the front or is there an optional side mount? If possible I'd love to see some pics of motor and the stock auto mounts in A model frames. Thanks guys, now that I know I can use the stock auto Im getting pretty sure Im heading down the olds road if this 371 checks out.

[ANDY M]

I know where there is a 1960 Olds complete drive train.



It was mentioned in this thread that I have been posting to.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=341294

I asked what it might be worth. It came out of a wreck that had less than 3000 miles on it, and is factory original right down to the plug wires and radiator hose. The bad news is that it's been sitting in this garage for 50 years, so it may be a little rusty on the insides.
Anybody that's interested, please send me a pm.
Thanks,
Andy

[RocketDaemon]

some of the stuff i recently bought
recently bought 3 pairs of weiand blower intakes, hilborn for 303,
pair of 324 heads, blower hub for 4 grove v belt, hurst engine mounts,
starter changeover, manual flywheel + starter, adapter plate for 39 tranny,
mt pistons, another setup of 394 pistons, 2 camshafts,
just bought an 1957 oldsmobile with 3 371 engines...

going to buy 2 more engines soon, one here in sweden and one more in the states
have 2 engines on the way home, the one that recently was on ebay, one in pic with hilborn, and another one that i bought a couple of months ago in cali, 394 with "mondello" heads etc etc... more will come, more supercharger stuff will be bought...

i'm up to 13 oldsmobile engines right now

[Paul]

Originally Posted by RocketDaemon

some of the stuff i recently bought

hi Daemon!

[RocketDaemon]

howdy!

and oh forgot to mention edelbrock with valve covers with 57 under edelbrock logo, weiand 324 intake with 6 carbs and water cross over, and oh yes an olds 394 dual 4 intake and 2 500cfm edelbrock carbs, going into my 1964 olds dynamic

eventhough this thread is about engines, these 2 cars do got engines in them that are olds, the 2x4 will as stated go into my running 1964 olds, and the 6 carb intake with edelbrock valve covers will go into this 1957 oldsmobile

probally forgot an whole bunch of stuff i bought for the past months, i haven't been online on hamb for almost a year so..

[RocketDaemon]

pics to post above

and oh btw, i am just upgrading my fotki account again
to pro, so pics will show again and i will add more pics in the album and clean upp as much as i can in the next few days...

[RocketDaemon]

also, i really would like to see s.co.t blower intake for early olds
and i would heck also really want to buy an scot blower intake for the olds
i really would love to put one scot blown oldsmobile engine into my 1941 buick convert. either that or i'll just stettle for an edmunds intake and valve covers..

[gonzo]

56 Olds with a Weiand 3 carb set up with Rochester 2gcs and a T5 hooked through a Bendtsen's adapter. Motor mounts use early ford mounts and are made by a local speed shop.

[57J2]

Cool thread. I have a couple of questions I hope someone can help me with. I have both a 57/58 371 with auto, and a 64 394 with auto out of a Starfire. Are either or both of these a bolt in to a 49 88 or anything major have to be done to do it ? What engine would be better considering rebuild costs(budget minded) for the best performance, considering a street with occasional strip application, also keeping in mind as funds become available adding more aftermarket speed components later ?

[bubba67]

Whats the better hot rod trans ? The Olds Hydro or the Jetaway ?

[BLAINE 816]

Thanks for the info. Looks like a lot of work.Blaine

[RocketDaemon]

Bubba67: do not use the word hotrod trans in the same sentance, as Jetaway, hope that answers your question...

57j2: i would go with the 57 + tranny... , or get an early waterpump housing on the 394, but i would personally prefer to use the tranny from th 57 so all in all i belive putting the 57 engine in would be easier... 57 is an much better tranny imho!

[GuyW]

Originally Posted by bubba67

Whats the better hot rod trans ? The Olds Hydro or the Jetaway ?

Hydro.

[joewit]

Originally Posted by RocketDaemon

Fuel injection
offenhauser:

digging into the earlier 180 degree intakes also...

1949-1953 - 303 - 3200 - 2x4 - 360 degree ? no heat
1954-1956 - 324 - 4060 - 3x2 - 360 degree ? for rochesters
1954-1956 - 324 - 5257-TP - 3x2 - rochester
1954-1956 - 324 - 5257 - 3x2 - large base rochester
1957-1958 - 371 - 4061 - 3x2 - 360 degree ? for rochesters
1957-1958 - 371 - 5258-TP - 3x2 - rochester
1957-1958 - 371 - 5258 - 3x2 - large base rochester
1959-1964 - 371*-394 - 5183 - 2x4 - 360 degree ?
1959-1964 - 371*-394 - 5606 - 2x4 - quadrajet low rise
1959-1964 - 371*-394 - 5753 - 2x4 - quadrajet high rise
1959-1964 - 371*-394 - 5259-TP - 3x2 - rochester
1959-1964 - 371*-394 - 5259 - 3x2 - large base rochester

?

There is also the 3285 for 54-56. Its a 2x4. But I want to know if a 3200 for a 49-53 would fit on a 55? I notice some manifolds such as edelbrock's say they are for 49-56 so I dont know why offenhauser would have two different ones.

[yorgatron]

Originally Posted by joewit

There is also the 3285 for 54-56. Its a 2x4. But I want to know if a 3200 for a 49-53 would fit on a 55? I notice some manifolds such as edelbrock's say they are for 49-56 so I dont know why offenhauser would have two different ones.

the intake ports on '54-'56 heads are taller than the ones on '49-'53 heads.
some intakes,like the Edelbrock OL396 3X2,are cast with the shorter ports,but enough meat on the manifold to open'em up for the later taller ports.

[joewit]

Originally Posted by yorgatron

the intake ports on '54-'56 heads are taller than the ones on '49-'53 heads.
some intakes,like the Edelbrock OL396 3X2,are cast with the shorter ports,but enough meat on the manifold to open'em up for the later taller ports.

So the offenhause cannot be made to fit on #8 heads?

[Paul]

here are three examples of some of the magnetos that were available

a Ronco in a Cragar 4x2 inducted 324 (mock-up stage)


a Vertex in a Offy 2x4 inducted 394 (also mock-up stage, but a little further along)


and a tach drive Joe Hunt in a 4-71 blown 303 driver

[PROSTOCKTOM]

I have a question about a 371 3x2 intake.

Who made the coolest looking one, and which one performed the best ?

Thanks Tom

[Paul]

beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and "worked the best" at what?

in my opinion, you can't beat the looks of the stock tri-power on a 371.

the only 3x2 Olds I've owned was on an Offy intake on a 394
and it was just about perfect for the 2,000 lb street car it was in

[PROSTOCKTOM]

Ok, I changed it to performed the best

Tom

[PROSTOCKTOM]

Does anyone have the intake port dimensions of the 303,324,371,394 ?

Tom

[Paul]

Originally Posted by PROSTOCKTOM

Does anyone have the intake port dimensions of the 303,324,371,394 ?

Tom

measuring some of the heads laying around here,
and these are aproximate numbers,
castings vary slightly and gaskets will be a touch bigger typicaly as may aftermarket intakes

303, 1-1/8 x 1-5/8
324, 1-1/8 x 2
early 371, 1-1/4 x 2
late 371 and 394, 1-3/8 x 2-1/2

[PROSTOCKTOM]

Originally Posted by Paul

measuring some of the heads laying around here,
and these are aproximate numbers,
castings vary slightly and gaskets will be a touch bigger typicaly as may aftermarket intakes

303, 1-1/8 x 1-5/8
324, 1-1/8 x 2
early 371, 1-1/4 x 2
late 371 and 394, 1-3/8 x 2-1/2

Thanks Paul, That's what I was looking for.

Sounds like you have at least a pair of each around.

Tom

[joewit]

I just bought an engine that is supposedly a 303 bored out to 324, the heads on it have a #3 stamped on it. What's up with these heads? We bought it from Stephen Fields on here. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=346505
Thanks

[Paul]

I believe the 3 cast at the center exhaust port makes the heads '53

[joewit]

Originally Posted by Paul

I believe the 3 cast at the center exhaust port makes the heads '53

Thanks, I had only heard of #2 7 8 and 10 till I bought these ones. I also have a set of 2's and a set of 8's

[KQQLCAT]

I am going to purchase a TH400 tranny from Tony at Ross Racing Engines and I want to gather up things that I will need to complete this swap. What I have is a 61 Olds 88 with a slim jim and the flywheel in my car has 166 teeth and the one that come with Tony's set up come with 176 teeth. what flywheel cover do I need and what starter.
Thanks
Pat

[GOATROPER02]

Hi Pat,
I can supply or advise on everthing you need,Call Me

Tony

[KQQLCAT]

Okay, Thanks!

[joewit]

I've got a set of Gotha adjustable rockers. I've read online that since there is no locknut on these, they have a tendency to loosen. My question is on the side of the adjusting bolt there is a hole, could this be tapped out to accomodate a set screw?

[HEATHEN]

If there is no lock nut, then the screws should have interference threads. Many Ford adjustable rocker arms came with interference adjusting screws from the factory, and didn't have a loosening problem. In fact, I used some 223 Ford screws in the rockers on my Chevy 235 and they've worked fine.

[joewit]

Saw these on ebay belond headers for the 303. Good pic to add to the list of parts.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...%3AIT&viewitem=

[NotNuRodz]

Hey guys i bought a 62 four door Olds 88 this winter and i am just now getting a chance to work on it. The car has the 394 in it and I want to put dual exhaust on the car, but the exhaust shop is telling me that with the drivers side exhaust manifold thats on the car its not possible. So my question is to you guys is there an exhaust manifold i could put on the car that will go around the steering and allow me to put on twice pipes (i was thinking maybe something off of a two door, or aftermarket even). I'm sorry if this doesn't fit into this thread but i figured if anyone knew about olds motors they would be on this thread. Thanks in advance.

[Paul]

yes, the factory did make one that dumped at the rear.
not common but they are out there.

I sold one not too long ago,

here is a home made version someone made by removing the stock dump, welding some plate over the hole and welding a new dump on at the rear

[Paul]

and here's a couple pictures of my old stock one

[NotNuRodz]

Thanks paul i heard rumors that it would be hard to come by (and a little costly). I think im gonna get a second manifold and try that home made one.

[ROCKET88COUPE]

tks for the info,when u need it its hard to find,on the later 394s what year did they change the exhaust manifold?im running a 60 394 block and 23 heads and have noticed earlier heads have diff ex manifolds

[NotNuRodz]

Well i've been hunting all day (ebay, craigs list, HAMB classifieds!!) and i have had no luck even finding a non dual exhaust manifold. If anyone has a drivers side exhaust manifold (dual exhaust or not) for sale please email me at evanbeiser@yahoo.com or send me a pm please.

[bubba67]

Does anyone know a source to buy a Hydro tranny to put behind my '56 324 ? Fatsco in NJ ?

[GOATROPER02]

I have trans options as well as stock and speed parts for all early rockets

Tony

[joewit]

Does anyone have pics of a 2x4 setup on a car with a hydro trans. I want to see how the trans linkage is hooked in and not innerfering with anything else.

[joewit]

Figured I'd showoff my parts too.
Offy 2x4 with I think '53 rochester 4gc's and
Gotha adjustable rockers
I also have a isky cam and mallory dual point dist. Does anyone know of a simple way to find the specs of a isky cam?

[HEATHEN]

Concerning Iskenderian camshaft specs---give me the numbers on the end of the cam and I'll see what I can do.

[joewit]

Originally Posted by HEATHEN

Concerning Iskenderian camshaft specs---give me the numbers on the end of the cam and I'll see what I can do.

the numbers are worn but if I had to say it looks like 5A 12. Thanks

[Harms Way]

I have been saving this one for a looong time,... I have to get a rubber trans mount so I can finalize the brackets.

[TONY CARTER]

Hi Guys,just joined.I am building a 32 Ford Roadster,with a 1957 Olds 371 Motor.On the back of the block there are casting numbers that read.
342 CFD,cast No 568929,engine No A083170.What does this all mean.

I pulled the motor apart and the mains are 30 thou up and are still a little scored.I see that Kanter make engine rebuild kits that are 30 ,40 and 60 thou up.Can I still grind the crank down.Or can anyone point me in the right direction to get another machinable crank ,or even a NEW crank.What do you think.

[racerjohnson]

Tony, I think you should go to the intro section and introduce yourself.

[TONY CARTER]

Couldn't find the intro section.Where is it.

Is a 394 Crank the same as a 371.I'm trying to find new engine rebuild parts for my 371,Rocket engine.To be shipped out to Australia from Stanton,LA ,in the 3 weeks time.Any help with the right parts and suppliers here would be great.
Thanks Tony.

[langy]

Speak to Tony @ Ross Racing, He started this thread and won't let you down, He has helped me bundles.

GOATROPER02

Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: OHIO
Posts: 285

GOATROPER02

Originally Posted by TONY CARTER

Couldn't find the intro section.Where is it.

Is a 394 Crank the same as a 371.I'm trying to find new engine rebuild parts for my 371,Rocket engine.To be shipped out to Australia from Stanton,LA ,in the 3 weeks time.Any help with the right parts and suppliers here would be great.
Thanks Tony.

[langy]

INTRO setion here http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/f...splay.php?f=18

Originally Posted by TONY CARTER

Couldn't find the intro section.Where is it.

Is a 394 Crank the same as a 371.I'm trying to find new engine rebuild parts for my 371,Rocket engine.To be shipped out to Australia from Stanton,LA ,in the 3 weeks time.Any help with the right parts and suppliers here would be great.
Thanks Tony.

[GOATROPER02]

Originally Posted by TONY CARTER

Couldn't find the intro section.Where is it.

Is a 394 Crank the same as a 371.I'm trying to find new engine rebuild parts for my 371,Rocket engine.To be shipped out to Australia from Stanton,LA ,in the 3 weeks time.Any help with the right parts and suppliers here would be great.
Thanks Tony.

I need to know what year engine is,and I can supply anything you possibly need

Also what part of Australia as I have freinds there also and combine shipping when possible

Tony

[GOATROPER02]

Ive only added to this thread but I have others Ive taken up space with
Thanks ,Glad to help
Tony

Originally Posted by langy

Speak to Tony @ Ross Racing, He started this thread and won't let you down, He has helped me bundles.

GOATROPER02

[TONY CARTER]

Hi Tony,
on the back of the block it has on top of the bell housing.Cast into the block,,342 in a circle a star,CFD, Engine No Ao83170,it was in a 1957 Olds Rocket 88 4 Door Holiday Sedan.
Wow that is a mouth full.
I am needing a good sized Crank,mine is 30 thou up and still has scores in it.Full engine rebuild kit,pistons rings,bearings,cam,New internal Oil pump,Full gasket kit etc.
My engine is in the Hot Tank as we speak so I will get the measurments of the bores to you ASAP.

Is Ohio near Stanton,LA,California,that is where the container is leaving in 3 weeks.Could you email me individual price listing of parts required.
I would need all these parts delivered to Stanton using internal freight in the next few weeks ready to be shipped off to Australia.
Is a 371 Crank the same as a 394?
Tony Carter.

[TONY CARTER]

I found a 394 Crank for sale.In the USA.Is it the same as a 371 Crank?I'm told it will fit in the same.
Then what is the difference of a 371 to a 394?

[GOATROPER02]

The Main Journals are a different size,and front length can be different

Tony

[GOATROPER02]

TC did you get my Pm about having a crank for your engine?

Tony

[TONY CARTER]

Hi Tony Lombardi,
No all you said was you were back in the shop.

I live in Maryborough ,Queensland,about 3 hours north of Brisbane,near Bunderburg.Yes where they make Bunderburg Rum.Just near the Great Barrier Reef.

The bores are already oversized and scored so I have been advised to sleeve the block back to standard.At least it is all brand new then.

The only unknown is this 371 Crank,I can buy all the other bits no worries from Egge,Kanter,Fusick,etc.
What size is the 371 Crank,can you supply it machined with bearings ready to bolt in.And at what price in AUD.

Also can you get different cams for the 371.

The heads are mint,they have been crack tested are are in great shape.They just need new Exhaust valves and seats.The J2 Manifold is also in Mint Condition,Olds Cast Iron one.Just missing all the carbies and progressive linkage.

I'm looking at some Rochester 2G carbies on Ebay at the moment.I want something that is all rebuilt,bead blasted ,with a rebuild kit,NEW GASKETS READY TO BOLT ON AND DRIVE OFF.

Tony Carter.

[ocfab]

Has anyone used a J2 trypower intake on a 324? Can you milli down the heat crossover and weld a plate to cover the hole to clear the valley pan

[Paul]

Originally Posted by ocfab

Has anyone used a J2 trypower intake on a 324? Can you milli down the heat crossover and weld a plate to cover the hole to clear the valley pan

you would also need to try to get the ports to match up

but not sure why you'd want to go through all that
they are heavy,
and aluminum versions that actually fit are readily available

[Paul]

Originally Posted by langy

Speak to Tony @ Ross Racing, He started this thread...

and just for the record this thread was started by RocketDaemon

[Large_911]

Originally Posted by Paul

you would also need to try to get the ports to match up

but not sure why you'd want to go through all that
they are heavy,
and aluminum versions that actually fit are readily available

I have heard somewhere before (possibly here) that early Hemi intakes could be adapted to early Rockets (not sure which ones); has anyone ever heard this before?

[TrailorPark]

Hey Bro, this is one of the best post I have ever come across. I have a 58 Olds and have been scratching my head on where to look for anything related to the engine or trans. Thank you for your effort and time to put all this together.

[Paul]

'starting to piece together another blower motor,
here's an early mockup picture of it sitting on a late 394 in the A Coupe
but the plan is to put it on a 371 in the A Roadster
that is if I can ever get out there and actually make some progress

[badsco]

I recently purchased a '61 394 Olds motor to put in my '47 Olds. Deadly opposed to a SBC swap, I stumbled onto it in the local classifieds. Been researching them since, and figured I was at the point to ask some questions
The motor is a 2bbl so assume it is the lower compression version. With the deal I got a set of starfire heads. Just wondering if it would be worth it to swap heads or not and if I'd see any improvement or what the difference is between them. I would upgrade to a 4BBL intake at the same time and probably a cam if I go that route.
Also, for all the links and web sites I've followed and found, I cant say that anyone actually stocks cams for the 394 - am I missing something here?
Thanks in advance

[3x2rocket]

you can still get all the internal engine parts, Egge, Kanter's, and falcon just to start with.

If you want a performance cam pm Goatroper02, you'll see posts from from him above in this thread.

[D.SCOTT]

so anyone know the difference between starter crossovers? they are not all the same, and some are not labeled or numbered as to what they will fit. i would love to see a list of makes and applications. i challenge you!

[badsco]

Thanks, I checked them out and did PM Goatroper02, going to give him a call

Anyone know the difference if any with the Starfire heads?

Originally Posted by 3x2rocket

you can still get all the internal engine parts, Egge, Kanter's, and falcon just to start with.

If you want a performance cam pm Goatroper02, you'll see posts from from him above in this thread.

[belair]

Paul-did you fab up those motor mounts?. Looks like my work.

[ocfab]

Originally Posted by belair

Paul-did you fab up those motor mounts?. Looks like my work.

it looks like he has a few more kits under the car if you need one.

[Paul]

Originally Posted by badsco

Anyone know the difference if any with the Starfire heads?

don't quote me but I think the heads are the same

it's the pistons, cam and 4bbl carb that bump up the hp.

the '62 up heads have a slightly different combustion chamber shape,
designed to burn lower octane and still keep the compression up

[Paul]

yeah, gotta drill and tap the block for front mounts
the wood blocks get in the way of the fuel pump and exhaust..

[3x2rocket]

badsco, the starfire heads (#23) should have larger ports and better flow, I believe they also have a different exhaust bolt-pattern. I'd recommend using them.

[skwurl]

Dang. you go too much time on your hands

[oldsboy]

Does anyone have advice in putting a 371 in model a rails? I'm getting to the point of mock up and wanted to see if there was anything to look out for. (Pics would be great)

[Paul]

Originally Posted by 3x2rocket

badsco, the starfire heads (#23) should have larger ports and better flow, I believe they also have a different exhaust bolt-pattern. I'd recommend using them.

my #23 heads take the same intake and exhaust gaskets as my #20 heads
ports measure the same, bolt patterns are the same
can't say about runner shape or volume though

[3x2rocket]

Huh, I always thought the term "starfire heads" meant they were special, I doubt there are any design differences inside if the ports are the same. I think Paul has debunked this myth... Still at least it sounds cool to say "its a 394 with starfire heads"

[badsco]

Originally Posted by Paul

don't quote me but I think the heads are the same

it's the pistons, cam and 4bbl carb that bump up the hp.

the '62 up heads have a slightly different combustion chamber shape,
designed to burn lower octane and still keep the compression up

Originally Posted by 3x2rocket

badsco, the starfire heads (#23) should have larger ports and better flow, I believe they also have a different exhaust bolt-pattern. I'd recommend using them.

Thanks guys, picking it all up in the next week or so, will have a good look to see if / what the differences are and report back to this thread - be interesting to know anyway.

[badsco]

Originally Posted by Paul

my #23 heads take the same intake and exhaust gaskets as my #20 heads
ports measure the same, bolt patterns are the same
can't say about runner shape or volume though

Originally Posted by 3x2rocket

Huh, I always thought the term "starfire heads" meant they were special, I doubt there are any design differences inside if the ports are the same. I think Paul has debunked this myth... Still at least it sounds cool to say "its a 394 with starfire heads"

That will teach me to refresh the thread before replying - seems indeed the myth is busted! Definitely cool to say it has starfire heads though.

[HEATHEN]

All Olds heads had the same exhaust manifold pattern from '61-'64 (talking big engines only).

[HEATHEN]

Originally Posted by D.SCOTT

so anyone know the difference between starter crossovers? they are not all the same, and some are not labeled or numbered as to what they will fit. i would love to see a list of makes and applications. i challenge you!

My '64 394 has a smaller diameter flywheel than the '49-'58 engines did, and takes a different starter. I've seen aftermarket lower housings with bosses for two different starter bolt patterns; I assume that one is '49-'58 and the other is '59-'64. Although '49-'53 flywheels have a different number of ring gear teeth than '54-'58, I think that the difference is made up on the starter gear.

[TONY CARTER]

(1) I found this crank on Ebay,will this Crank fit in my 1957 Olds 371 Engine.
(2) Can it be Machined to fit,
(3) Is the 371 Crankshaft the same Casting as a 394,but with different machining.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...K%3AMEWAX%3AIT

On the back of my block it has 342,CFD,casting No 568929
Engine No is A083170.
On the front of my crank it has two holes in it one on each side of the journal.
It came out of a 57 Olds 4 Door Holiday Sedan.

Need an answer ASAP please Clarify.PM me if your sure.
Tony.

[power58]

Great work, Great photos, Thanks for posting

[TONY CARTER]

Originally Posted by oldsboy

Does anyone have advice in putting a 371 in model a rails? I'm getting to the point of mock up and wanted to see if there was anything to look out for. (Pics would be great)

Hey Olds Boy,
I put a 371 in my 32 Ford roadster and I made up a engine cradle that bolts up under the original front mount (4 Bolts)but then is spread over to the out edges of the rail where the Front crossmeber is welded in.In the corners I mounted Old Sidevalve Donut mount in the Corners.

My engine crossmember is made out of 75mmX 50mm X 3 mm mild steel and is shaped like a Boomerang.With the donut mounts in the corner of the Chassis it gives it a pretty stable front mount.

Tony.

[TONY CARTER]

I found a Crankshaft from Mike at RPM Motorsports, on EBAY,he has been great in comunications and accurate information.

Very happy to be able to get on with the build of my engine now thanks Mike.

He is Junking a 57 Olds now if anybody needs some bits.

[Old-Soul]

Originally Posted by TONY CARTER

Hey Olds Boy,
I put a 371 in my 32 Ford roadster and I made up a engine cradle that bolts up under the original front mount (4 Bolts)but then is spread over to the out edges of the rail where the Front crossmeber is welded in.In the corners I mounted Old Sidevalve Donut mount in the Corners.

My engine crossmember is made out of 75mmX 50mm X 3 mm mild steel and is shaped like a Boomerang.With the donut mounts in the corner of the Chassis it gives it a pretty stable front mount.

Tony.

Tony, do you have photos of this?

[Large_911]

Originally Posted by TONY CARTER

...Mike at RPM Motorsports, on EBAY...

...He is Junking a 57 Olds now if anybody needs some bits.

Thanks for the heads up! I need a few odds and ends.

[TONY CARTER]

Old Soul,
My engine is away gettin built,I'll try and take some photos of the engine Mount sitting in the Chassis.Would probably be a better photo anyway.Without all the clutter of Radiator Grille shell,etc.

[Old-Soul]

Originally Posted by TONY CARTER

Old Soul,
My engine is away gettin built,I'll try and take some photos of the engine Mount sitting in the Chassis.Would probably be a better photo anyway.Without all the clutter of Radiator Grille shell,etc.

Cool, thanks!

[iafraser39]

I had a 394 olds bolted up to a 55 B&M hydro.
I think the engine year was 1959, though not sure.
Never had a bit of trouble.

[bones35]

So I've got a new idea for splitting the center exhaust ports on the 324 heads. I'm getting ready to build some headers for my olds using the flanges available on the web. I just sent my heads out to be decked and don't want to do the heating and welding now but I want to get them split. Here's what I've come up with. I'm going to be welding a tab onto my flange that protrudes into the head out of 1/4 inch. It looks like I will need to take away some material on the top of the port since it comes in a 1/8 plus to allow the tab to slide in and be tight the whole way back. I will square of two sections of 1 3/4 tubing to fit flanges and then split them to fit in center flange. After they fit i'll weld a peice of sheet metal to one side of the split tubing and to the new tab to give support and then weld the other tubing on to complete the connection to the flange. What do you think? With the solid mount i should be able to fit the tab tight using a gasket on mockup. I'll keep you informed I just ordered the flanges.

[TONY CARTER]

I'm just starting to make my own Headers too Bones.I have just bought some normal 1 3/4" Exhaust tube.
I placed 2 X 1 3/4 tubes on the Simese Port and where they overlaped I marked them and cut out the inside third of the pipe and then taked them back together

I wanted to have 1/3 lap in the pipes on the centre Simese Port. So I still have two pipes comin out of the centre port.I have seen the Olds Motors like the Sidevalves with only 3 Exhaust pipes,but I dont like the way it looks like.It looks like a V6.

I'm trying to do something a little different as always.All my pipes will be Tig Tacked and then Braize Welded and then Polished out.
We do this all the time on Handrails that we make at work for the Australian Trains.
It looks really cool.
Lot of work but so was the rest of the car,no rushing it now.
Tony.

[Paul]

blurry pix of the various exhaust port configurations through the early Olds' run

the 303 with oval center and round outer ports



the 324 similar but with rectangle center and square outers



the early 371 similar to the 324 but slightly larger ports



the late 371 still two bolt center port but now with runners devided all the way to flange surface, larger ports



and finaly the 394 three bolt and devided center ports, all ports larger again

[TONY CARTER]

So Now I know I have an early 57 OLDS 371.I have the same ports in mine.
What sort of Cam would I be looking for for a Daily Driver.With a J2 Manifold on it for the Nostalgic Look.I'm not a Drag Racer or anything just want it to run with a nice note and idle without lunging forward.Like huge cams do.
Does anybody know what Cam No to look out for?
And where do I get a Cam and how much do they cost.
Thanks Tony.

[Large_911]

I got mine from Camcraft Cams. It appears that they changed the website a bit, so you would need to call them. I am building a 371 too -- shoot me a PM.

[ALLSTEELWILLYS]

Does anybody know were i can find a set of forged pistons for a 1957 371 olds?

Also a good nice "lumpy" cam?

Thanks

[GOATROPER02]

I have everything you need for your early Olds... stock or speed

Thanks,Tony

[TONY CARTER]

Yeah I got a cam from Charles at CamCraft and it only took 10 Days to get it from the States to Australia.Very happy.

[Mike B]

What are the differences in the 56 324 and the 57-58 371 block besides the bore? If just the bore is different, how much can the 56 324 be bored too? I guess what I am asking is can an oversized piston made for a 371 fit in the 56 block?

Mike

[HEATHEN]

Lots of guys used to bore a 324 to 4 inches and use a standard bore 371 piston to make a 345. Yes, the 371 pistons will work, since Olds kept the compression height of the piston the same and raised the deck height of the 371 blocks to compensate for the longer stroke.

[Mike B]

But could I bore the 56 324 to 4.125"? A 1/4" bore.?

Mike

Originally Posted by HEATHEN

Lots of guys used to bore a 324 to 4 inches and use a standard bore 371 piston to make a 345. Yes, the 371 pistons will work, since Olds kept the compression height of the piston the same and raised the deck height of the 371 blocks to compensate for the longer stroke.

[ZZ-IRON]

good to know Paul, gotta check my 371? to see if it really is one the guy told me it was a 371

Originally Posted by Paul

blurry pix of the various exhaust port configurations through the early Olds' run

the 303 with oval center and round outer ports



the 324 similar but with rectangle center and square outers



the early 371 similar to the 324 but slightly larger ports



the late 371 still two bolt center port but now with runners devided all the way to flange surface, larger ports



and finaly the 394 three bolt and devided center ports, all ports larger again

[HEATHEN]

Originally Posted by Mike B

But could I bore the 56 324 to 4.125"? A 1/4" bore.?

Mike

After 50+ years of cooling system corrosion? I wouldn't, if the block were mine.

[Mike B]

That's kinda what common sense was telling me, but I wasn't sure if there is enough cylinder wall there to bore that big. Thanks HEATHEN.

Originally Posted by HEATHEN

After 50+ years of cooling system corrosion? I wouldn't, if the block were mine.

[Clik]

56 Olds Rocket 88 324 HEADERS? Are they available? This is a stock bodied car, not a Rocket shoved in a coupe or roadster.

[Large_911]

Originally Posted by Clik

56 Olds Rocket 88 324 HEADERS? Are they available? This is a stock bodied car, not a Rocket shoved in a coupe or roadster.

I have never seen them, but I am building them w/ a buddy of mine this winter/spring for my 57 Olds w/ a 371 and his 55 Olds w/ a 324. It does not look like an easy task...LOL...it will be my first set. The hard part of sourcing flanges is done.

[REM/Mo]

Where did you find the flanges and how much$$$?

[cadillacoffin]

all i need is a gasket or template and i can cut any flange you want.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ighlight=david

[mike1951]

I once met a guy who tried to sell me a 53 olds with a "308" in it...was he on crack?
I tried to tell him 53 was the 303 with the highest hp for that engine...but he insisted it was a 308....am I stupid or is he?

[Large_911]

Originally Posted by REM/Mo

Where did you find the flanges and how much$$$?

I bought them on e-bay, but they look like Victory flanges. I do not recall the cost, but they were not too much. They are not cheap and thin -- nice work. I have a pic in my album along w/ copper gaskets I had made. Headers by Ed makes a beautiful flange for the early Rockets (his site is alive again!!).

[REM/Mo]

I'll bet I can make up a template.
I think the gaskets are singles for the individual ports.

Originally Posted by cadillacoffin

all i need is a gasket or template and i can cut any flange you want.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ighlight=david

[Large_911]

http://www.headersbyed.com/__oldsmobile.htm
http://www.victoryheaderflanges.com/...ldsmobile.html

[67 w30]

im looking for the specs on e4 isky for 371 project .

[HEATHEN]

.410 lift, 260 degrees duration, intake 20-60, exhaust 58-22, valve lash .015.

[Greg55_99]

On another board, someone has a set of these rockers. Can anyone give some info about them and the company that made them?








Greg

[MilesM]

Says Thomas right on them. F85 might be a 215 or 300 Olds.

Originally Posted by Greg55_99

On another board, someone has a set of these rockers. Can anyone give some info about them and the company that made them?








Greg

[Large_911]

I think they are Thomas magnesium rockers and may have been known for breaking. I had a chance to buy a set once, but they were abused to say the least. I am sure someone will chime in that has more info.

[HEATHEN]

They're the "good" version of Thomas rockers with the bronze bushings--some of them just ran on the magnesium. They'll fit any Buick/Olds 215, 300, or 340 V8, as well as the original odd fire V6.

[RATnROLL]

Great rocket posts. Can anyone advise me as to where I can get steel shim head gaskets for a 371. The block has been punched to 4.125

[GOATROPER02]

I have MLS gaskets in stock for your Olds

Tony

[RATnROLL]

Is a MLS Gasket composite or a single layer? The ones I took out of the engine are McCord I believe. Im looking for a factory style gasket that came with the J-2 which is a single later gasket.

[GOATROPER02]

Multi Layer Steel .038

I have 1 set of export gaskets[steel] also .025

Give me a shout

Tony

[RATnROLL]

Is the export gasket a single layer or muiti layer .025? Im trying to boost the compression as much as posible because I'm using 361 dodge pistons in this block. Can I use these gaskets with the 4.125 bore? Thanks for your help. Wes

[GOATROPER02]

I just checked the export gask and they only have a 4.110 bore ....single layer

Our MLS gask accept up to a 4.195 bore

I would use the bigger bore and trim the heads accordingly to get desired comp ratio

Give me a call if I can help more

Tony

[adventurer]

Can a 49 303 be bored to 324 dimensions? It's possible to mate with a FORD pattern T5?
Am new to Olds engnes and need some help and hints.

[Wolfie]

WOW!!!.....I've seen this thread before and it's GREAT!!!......from 1966 -1969 I worked for Bell Auto Parts in Bell, California and one of the guys I worked with was TOTALLY Oldsmobile! To this day, he has every car he's ever owned........except one! His '50 Olds sedanette with 54,000 miles and factory standard transmission which is now in my garage. Of course now it has been nosed and decked, louvered hood (Courtesy Unkl' Al) Vintage air A/C system, Mr. Gasket shifter and 4 inches lower via Chevelle rear springs. Chuck, my buddy, bought Bell Auto Parts and continued running it unntil the early '80s and then shut it down. All the inventory from Bell still exists in sea containers in an undisclosed location in the USA. Chuck is now disabled and retired as am I. Keep the Rockets Running!!!!

Wolfie

[HEATHEN]

Originally Posted by adventurer

Can a 49 303 be bored to 324 dimensions? It's possible to mate with a FORD pattern T5?
Am new to Olds engnes and need some help and hints.

Yes, many 303s have been overbored to 3.875 over the years with no problems. As far as the Ford T5 goes, every Olds to Ford adapter I've seen uses the early ('49-'64) Ford trans pattern; I havent seen enough Ford T5s to notice if they have provisions for the early bolt pattern or not.

[blackrat40]

Has anybody heard from DON WOW , one of our Old's experts here?
He has been a great source of Olds info here in the past.
No recent posts(?).
He doesn't respond to pm's and his personal email kicks back now.
I hope he's OK and maybe just pissed at me or something.
Can anyone check on him? He has grown hot rod sons who may be on here to.
Chevelle guys I think. Don's all Olds.

[Paul]

Isky roller cam, Chevy solids and Isky adjustable rockers

[blackrat40]

Very cool Paul!

[Paul]

Originally Posted by blackrat40

Has anybody heard from DON WOW , one of our Old's experts here?
He has been a great source of Olds info here in the past.
No recent posts(?).
He doesn't respond to pm's and his personal email kicks back now.
I hope he's OK and maybe just pissed at me or something.
Can anyone check on him? He has grown hot rod sons who may be on here to.
Chevelle guys I think. Don's all Olds.

Jerry often goes for a month or two without posting,
216 posts in almost eight years,
when it comes to posting he's a man of quality not quantity

here's hoping he's enjoying himself where ever he is.

[2Hep]

Any info on the specs for a Isky 505c roller cam for an olds 324? Solid lifters I take it?

[Paul]

Originally Posted by 2Hep

Any info on the specs for a Isky 505c roller cam for an olds 324? Solid lifters I take it?

search reveals this thread:

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ight=isky+505c

[2Hep]

Thanks Paul... Blond moment on my part.

[Chevydeuce]

I´ve got a 62 Starfire(heavy car) with 3.08 posi rear.
Wanna help it move along a bit.
I´ve got electronic ignition.
Offenhauser dual Quad is laying arround somwhere in my shop.
Does this work well or should i look out for a different type intake?
Maybe a hotter cam?
No Idea about rockets.
Mine is a 394 Ultra high compression Startfire rocket.
What set up would make sence regarding making the car just moving a bit better?

[Paul]

Originally Posted by Chevydeuce

I´ve got a 62 Starfire(heavy car) with 3.08 posi rear.
Wanna help it move along a bit.
I´ve got electronic ignition.
Offenhauser dual Quad is laying arround somwhere in my shop.
Does this work well or should i look out for a different type intake?
Maybe a hotter cam?
No Idea about rockets.
Mine is a 394 Ultra high compression Startfire rocket.
What set up would make sence regarding making the car just moving a bit better?

have you had it out on the road yet?

[Chevydeuce]

Yep.
Plenty tork. No complains bout that
But seems everything happens under 4000rpm
It´s not a race car, sure.
I just wonder if the Dual Quad is a good idea and
if a cam would help perform a bit better.
Engine runs really well for a stock engine.
I should be content with it but.....

[BEAR]

hey paul i just got my first olds about two weeks ago and people are telling on the olds forum i have a 394 in my 56 by just the paint color how can i find out the if its a 324 or a 394 is there a big size dif in the two ??? plz pm me and let me know

[Paul]

Originally Posted by Chevydeuce

Yep.
Plenty tork. No complains bout that
But seems everything happens under 4000rpm
It´s not a race car, sure.
I just wonder if the Dual Quad is a good idea and
if a cam would help perform a bit better.
Engine runs really well for a stock engine.
I should be content with it but.....

I would start with dual exhaust, 'doesn't do much good to add more fuel and air if you can't get rid of it.
it wouldn't hurt to improve the spark, an old trick was to use the dual breaker plate from a '62 'Vette, it's a simple swap and doubles saturation time.
might be tough to find now though.
and finaly more carburetion, personaly I would go with a tripower setup in that car before going to dual fours.

[Paul]

Originally Posted by BEAR

is there a big size dif in the two ???

yeah, about 70 inches

seriously, the best way to know exactly what you have is to run the stamped number on the deck surface.
paint colors are easy to change.
big external clues would be in the head,
the center exhaust dump bolt pattern, 2 bolts? 3 bolts?
the valve cover bolt configuration, 2 through? 5 around?

can you post a picture of the engine?

[BEAR]

Originally Posted by Paul

yeah, about 70 inches

seriously, the best way to know exactly what you have is to run the stamped number on the deck surface.
paint colors are easy to change.
big external clues would be in the head,
the center exhaust dump bolt pattern, 2 bolts? 3 bolts?
the valve cover bolt configuration, 2 through? 5 around?

can you post a picture of the engine?

i really dont have any good ones but here are some





thats the best ones have right now its raining out so i cant go get any new ones right now

[64Olds]

thanks for doing this. I have a 1964 Oldsmobile Starfire, it came with the 394.. this is really going to be helpful.

[2Hep]

Originally Posted by Paul

Isky roller cam, Chevy solids and Isky adjustable rockers

You wouldn't happen to the part number on the Chevy Solid Lifters would you?

[Paul]

Originally Posted by BEAR

i really dont have any good ones but ...

hard to make out in the picture but if the cast number at the center exhaust port here is a 10 like it apears that would make the heads and probably the motor a '56 324

[BEAR]

thank you

[aerorocket]

Originally Posted by Chevydeuce

I´ve got a 62 Starfire(heavy car) with 3.08 posi rear.
Wanna help it move along a bit.
I´ve got electronic ignition.
Offenhauser dual Quad is laying arround somwhere in my shop.
Does this work well or should i look out for a different type intake?
Maybe a hotter cam?
No Idea about rockets.
Mine is a 394 Ultra high compression Startfire rocket.
What set up would make sence regarding making the car just moving a bit better?

A good source of early Olds parts and advice is Ross in Ohio, they are knowlegeable and good to deal with. Your 394 if original was factory rated at 345hp@4600 with 10.5 cr. All Starfires came with dual exhaust and most had 3.42 rears. My dad had a 63 and it ran low 15's @ around 90. If running right it should pull hard to at least 5 grand not quit at 4 grand like yours is doing.

[Chevydeuce]

Thanks for the help guys.
Mine had the 3,42 ratio, too. Bought a posi thirdmember with 3.08 gears.
Thought would be better for milage, but I might stay better with the 3.42 for performance sake.
Checked Ignition a couple times and everything looked fine. Has new plugs, cap, rotor condenser and points and is adjusted well.
Thought that´s normal since the engines peak power is rated at 4200 from factory(don´t have my book here but remember a number like this...)
Only issue it started bad when cold.
I´m still running a stock rebuilt Rochester 4jet.
Í bought a old electronic Accel Distributor and wanna run it with a Mallory Voltmaster coil. Maybe I add my Mallory VI Al ignition box, too.
That should help out a bit, right? And than maybe the 2X4 with two Holleys or mayber change to Edelbrock 500. Hope to find a 3X2 setup though and run it progressive.
And I already contacted Ross for a cam.
On the exhaust side, the original exhaust pipe that runs between the stering box and engine at the driver side has two dents from factory to clear the steering linkage. There ain´t much room to route a bigger pipe down there. Headers aren´t available so I thought I might have to built some on my own. Not sure about that though. I think that engine would be happy to have at least a half inch bigger pipes.
What do you guys think?
Anybody experiance with such a setup?
Any better ideas?
thanks.

[Chevydeuce]

Read this in another Forum

"FYI, the Offy dual quad intakes are single plane with a single large plenum. They do not flow well at low speeds in my opinion and frankly, it's not clear that the flow that well at high engine speeds, either. There's definitely no work done on tailoring the runners for any sort of tuning. Usually you only see Offy dual quads today as conversions to blower manifolds, where the carb surface is milled and a thick aluminum plate is added as the blower mounting."

The more I read the more I get the idea that it might be smarter to leave that engine stock, just tune itt up better and change to the better ignition.
I´ve got a new Fuel Pump which will hopefully solve my starting problem and I might check the carb tuning and leave the engine otherwise like it is.
Instead i´ll save my money to get me another car to play with, something lighter....one cruiser, one racer...

[Ratatat]

Originally Posted by RocketDaemon

also, i really would like to see s.co.t blower intake for early olds
and i would heck also really want to buy an scot blower intake for the olds
i really would love to put one scot blown oldsmobile engine into my 1941 buick convert. either that or i'll just stettle for an edmunds intake and valve covers..

How about two on a 394.....

[Large_911]

That is killer!

[REM/Mo]

I have read most of this thread and searched elsewhere and can find very little info on casting numbers for the early Rocket engines. Can they be identified by casting numbers?
I have one that was represented to me as a 303 but after pulling the head the bore measures 3.895 indicating 324 +.020. It looks to have had the ridge cut out at some tome so may be std with that much wear at the top as the top is where I'm measuring.
The heads are marked 3 by the center port indicating a '53 303 I think.
I need to know if this is a 324 block or a 303 bored to 324.
Below is a pic with casting numbers on the bell housing. Can anyone identify it from these or are there other numbers or indicators on it somewhere?
Any help appreciated.
Thanks.

[Little Wing]

Are the Olds and Lasalle starter covers ( lower bell ) the same ? also are the Auto and manual the same ?

[mr50s]

Hey REM/mo -

I'm kinda new to this Olds block identification, too, but I found some info. which might help you. Instead of wrestling with block casting numbers, I'd check the actual motor number assigned to your particular block, the one that is STAMPED into the angled i.d. pad surface located along the far back and upper area of the block on the driver's side, roughly between cylinders #5 and #7. According to my copy of the Hollander Bible of Interchange, 1953 Olds motors begin with #R-215001; 1954s begin with #V-1001 up; 1955s begin with #V-400001; and 1956s begin with #V-1000001. Please check this info. with a known Olds expert before ordering expensive parts or having labor done on your block, and good luck!!

mr50s

[BEAR]

can you guys help me out im looking for a vacumm diagram for my 56 4door hardtop 88

[2Hep]

Anybody have spare Solid Roller Lifters for a 324 Olds Block laying around they do not need anymore?

[51NINTETYEIGHT]

I have a 1951 Olds. What all Olds or Cadi motors will the hydromatic bolt up to? Only the 303,324,371 and the 394??? I read that its stout and will last along time but what kind of H/P or torque is safe. I have found a 455 I am interested in but wasnt sure if it would need a 400th.
Thanks, Brandon

[Paul]

just posted this to the little pages group

Car Craft, Sept Oct Nov 1957, How to Build an Overhead

[Never2low]

Originally Posted by Paul

just posted this to the little pages group

Car Craft, Sept Oct Nov 1957, How to Build an Overhead

Keep getting an "Invalid social group" error message

[Paul]

Originally Posted by Never2low

Keep getting an "Invalid social group" error message

does this get you there?

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/g...hp?groupid=289

[Never2low]

Yup, thanks

[SHARKO]

The Offy adapter will get you to a top loader Ford which I ran in my 57 for 10 years until my dear brother gave me an aftermarket t-56 for mustang. It came with a 1/2 inch steel plate on the front which was then drilled to fit the old offy bell. 2 overdrives. But does anyone know how to make up a flywheel for a 371. I have hydro ring gears but how and where do you put the lump for this externally balanced motor?

[GOATROPER02]

Give me a call I have new flywheels and can place weights on existing wheels

Tony

[Paul]

can anyone tell me who made this rear cover, and when?

looks a lot like a late '60s Weiand but not exactly...?

[TONY CARTER]

You could use a mount like I made for my 371 Olds in my 32 Roadster Chassis.Here is the link to it.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/c...NGINEMOUNT.jpg

Love the Blower and the Offy covers.

Can the water outlets be blocked off at the back of the heads if you are not running a heater.Ive seen other motors on here with a blank plug in the water pump.
The 371 is going in my Hot Rod with no heater or air cond ,so no hoses running across the motor would clean it up.
Is this correct? Anyone.?

Or do the rear of the heads need flow of water to go threw them to keep them cool.?Or for better flow of water,please clarify.
Tony.

[Paul]

Originally Posted by TONY CARTER

You could use a mount like I made for my 371 Olds in my 32 Roadster Chassis.Here is the link to it.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/c...NGINEMOUNT.jpg

Love the Blower and the Offy covers.

Can the water outlets be blocked off at the back of the heads if you are not running a heater.Ive seen other motors on here with a blank plug in the water pump.
The 371 is going in my Hot Rod with no heater or air cond ,so no hoses running across the motor would clean it up.
Is this correct? Anyone.?

Or do the rear of the heads need flow of water to go threw them to keep them cool.?Or for better flow of water,please clarify.
Tony.

interesting front mount,
I would think it would be fine if used in conjunction with stock bellhousing mounts,
and even better if you also used a transmission mount.

the late 394 in the picture will be pulled and the blower will go on a '57 371
I have Hurst mounts for it.

yes you can block the heater outlets at the rear of the heads,
think of it like it's summer and you closed the flow of hot water through the heater core.

[T42]

My 60 olds has a 62 394 in it. Is there an HEI dist. that will swap in for the points dist. or does anybody make an aftermarket HEI for this engine? Thanks!

[ferrell1cars]

I have an incomplete hilborn unit for these olds motors,taking offers on it if anyone is interested.

[Paul]

394 out, 371 in, need to fix a minor issue and put it on the test stand

[JeffreyJames]

All Hail Paul and that beautiful motor.

[langy]

sweet Paul sweet.

Originally Posted by Paul

394 out, 371 in, need to fix a minor issue and put it on the test stand

[Paul]

the infamous Hurts mounts

[jakespeed63]

What considerations where taken when building these mounts? From the pictures, they appear too small to handle the torque. Having followed your talent, on the HAMB, for many years, I just know that there must be some beefy trans mount and numerous calculations involved. Nicely done.
JT

Originally Posted by Paul

the infamous Hurts mounts

[ELpolacko]

Did I post these already?

[303racer]

nice work on the mount ELpolacko

[Bobert]

ELpolako, in the first pic what is the the part coming sideways off the oil pan just below the oil filter canister? Looks like a spin on filter?

[ELpolacko]

Just extra capacity. It's welded to the pan and I'm positive it's stock to that oil pan. I have seen a few that way now.

[Jeff Norwell]

Dynamite work Steve.

[TONY CARTER]

This is a mount that I have made in the front of my 32 FORD ROADSTER chassis,with an A Model front crossmember.

The engine is a 371 OLDS,using Sidevalve V8 donut mounts in each corner

[F&J]

Originally Posted by TONY CARTER

This is a mount that I have made in the front of my 32 FORD ROADSTER chassis,with an A Model front crossmember.

The engine is a 371 OLDS,using Sidevalve V8 donut mounts in each corner




http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/c...GINEMOUNTS.jpg

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/c...NGINEMOUNT.jpg

Tony, Thanks for those pics. I spotted your mount in your "ally roof" thread and I was going to ask you a question... I made a same style one for my 324 in a 32 front crossmember and I used the orig Olds piece that bolts to the front. How thick should the bolted piece be, because there must be a twisting force there because the donuts are more forward, rather than directly under the mounting holes ? (like Olds did it)

[TONY CARTER]

I made mine out of 4mm Mild steel,you can't see it as much but the mount does have a bit of a drop in it to and yeah does come forward a bit to .

I think it will be strong enough though.

I also made a 1.6 mm Stainless color for it,to laminate all the of the 4 bolt holes.Instead of 4 Washers.To stop fatigue as there is not much material allowed where the mount goes on to the motor.

Not pictured.

[F&J]

I also made a 1.6 mm Stainless color for it,to laminate all the of the 4 bolt holes.Instead of 4 Washers.To stop fatigue as there is not much material allowed where the mount goes on to the motor.

That's sounds like the perfect design, I will do that. Thanks!

[carlos]

We just scored a 53 olds in south dakota that was sold on ebay last week super 88 4 door 39,000 orignal miles been parked in a barn since 1971 with a manual trans.The guy got the car for $785 my friend gave him a profit and we hauled her home.

[36 ROKIT]

Originally Posted by jakespeed63

What considerations where taken when building these mounts? From the pictures, they appear too small to handle the torque. Having followed your talent, on the HAMB, for many years, I just know that there must be some beefy trans mount and numerous calculations involved. Nicely done.
JT

Paul's humor is well-taken; also a good idea to use grade 8 bolts for these torque monsters! (The Hurst mounts always made me a little nervous; marginal setup for the street, certainly not for racing)

Nice mount by El-P, and very creative one by T.C.!

[langy]

I made my 394 mount from 3/8" stainless, very much the same as the others, I have 2 tail mounts either side of the tailshaft of the Hydromatic, this is the 3rd time i've used this type of mounting with no problems at all.

[Paul]

played a bit of mix and match Friday

I had a nice stock '37 LaSalle and an already converted later LaSalle,
swapped the output shafts and tail sections and voila!

a top shift to work with a Ford closed driveline
and a slightly shorter than stock open

pictures show the '37 going in the '27 Roadster chassis
second picture shows the comparison with stock long shaft at top
and short '50 Olds at bottom

[TONY CARTER]

Langy,beautiful chassis work.Love the cam front spreaderbar.

I also made one of them for my car,with two ALLEY conrods out of lawn mower engine,mounted to the Cam engine bearing journal to mount my No Plate on to.
The cam looks good painted too,yep I will have to copy that sorry.I'm not up to paint yet but soon will be I hope.

Still not sure on what colour though.

Paul if that gearbox gets any shorter it will be gone.Lost a fair bit of length in the extension housing.Nice work.
You must have a fair bit in you shed hey,to come up with all them gearboxes and different extension housing,been collecting for a while.

[langy]

Thanks Tony, yours is looking pretty sharp.

Originally Posted by TONY CARTER

Langy,beautiful chassis work.Love the cam front spreaderbar.

I also made one of them for my car,with two ALLEY conrods out of lawn mower engine,mounted to the Cam engine bearing journal to mount my No Plate on to.
The cam looks good painted too,yep I will have to copy that sorry.I'm not up to paint yet but soon will be I hope.

Still not sure on what colour though.

Paul if that gearbox gets any shorter it will be gone.Lost a fair bit of length in the extension housing.Nice work.
You must have a fair bit in you shed hey,to come up with all them gearboxes and different extension housing,been collecting for a while.

[56rocket324]

hello all, does anyone know if HEI distributer's are available for the 324 rocket engines or if there is a certain swap from something else that works. thanks!

[55olds88]

Pertronix is the way for electronic I think, awhile since I looked but I haven't seen anything else come up....

[Chevydeuce]

Bought a nice Accel electronic Distributer for my 394 from GMC Bubba. Looking brand new!!
He can help out with Mallory conversions, too for a resonable Price!!
He can help you out with everything you need!!

[TONY CARTER]

Ive got a normal Olds Distributor,bought set of point and condenser and a new Dizzy Cap for about $30.00.
Sure it will send a spark down the line,to get my Olds motor back to life.

[denis62]

Does anybody make(or have) an adapter to put a J2 on a 394 ?
I have the j2 already and would like to use it in my 1960 Dynamic 88 Fiesta wagon
also I have a few complete 1960 394, one with factory stick in a super 88 Fiesta wagon. and the parts cars to match, all 1960 Olds

thanx

[Paul]

Originally Posted by denis62

Does anybody make(or have) an adapter to put a J2 on a 394 ?
I have the j2 already and would like to use it in my 1960 Dynamic 88 Fiesta wagon
also I have a few complete 1960 394, one with factory stick in a super 88 Fiesta wagon. and the parts cars to match, all 1960 Olds

thanx

easiest way would probably be to use the Offenhauser 394 3x2 manifold with the J2 carbs.

as you know the problem with using the stock '57-'58 iron manifold on the later motor is that with the deck height change it would require spacers to get even the bolts to align
and the ports on the 394 heads are larger than the 371 ports on the stock manifold

[Large_911]

Custom v/c spacers made from a big ol' hunk of aluminum:





I just had the mating surface on the Offy covers milled flat; it was amazing how bad they were.

[TONY CARTER]

I thought it would be cool to make my own finned Alley covers.As I didn't want to spend all the time knocking out all the dents and then getting the Old ones balsted and priming and rubbing etc to get to paint.
Wow I got an old set of pressed metal covers,spent hours restoring them.For me that is not the road I wanted to go down.

So I machined up with a router a finned section to Bog onto the Top of my old metal covers.Then I had to thicken up the sides to be able to sand cast anything the Metal has to be around 4 or 5mm thick to flow threw.

With all this extra metal thichness they are now a bit heavier than the old tin ones but I got somehting that I wanted.

The only thing I didnt allow for was the extra Alley in the fins made the Rocker Covers bend.So I had to get them Milled Flat.

Well to my amazement,it cost me $100 each to get a one of cast.Then $100 each to get them Dialled in and then Milled flat.Well that makes them cost me $400.00.Woooops didn't think it would blow out to that.

Got to be happy with that though,I still like lookin at them.Its made the Motor look heaps better.
Got to have finned everything on your Hot Rod,for that Nostalgic look.