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History Photos taken before WW2 - history in black and white

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  1. SUNROOFCORD
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    Dated 1915 ... John Freeman Collection
     

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    Cliff House ... San Francisco ... Dated 1915 ... John Freeman Collection
     

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    Photo Courtesy of Darlene Thorne Collection
     

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    It featured in the 1935 Ben Bernie movie 'Stolen Harmony' , that tail and intakes are amazing.
     
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    Cliff House ... San Francisco ... 1930
     

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    Postmarked Nov. 17th, 1920
     

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    Note The Tire Chains
     

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    Courtesy of Woods/Gaylord family collection
     

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    1911 Tour Bus
     

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    Here a bit more on that 'Stolen Harmony'
    movie bus - a short article on it from the
    June 1935 issue of "Modern Mechanics
    And Inventions
    " magazine. Now that I've
    seen pics of this thing, I WANT one!!!!:D

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    That touring car is a Knox.....
     
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    This car is a Rambler.....
     
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    Thanks T-Head for identifying the cars in some of the pictures I posted earlier today. This is kind of a neat picture of a pickup once used as a service truck for a Junkyard in S.D.
     

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    Trevethan - made in Toowoomba, Queensland:

    http://www.trevethan.net/Australia.htm

    "A Real Queensland Car
    Queensland is not known for the production of motor vehicles. Victoria and South Australia have that industry sewn up, but in the early years of the Twentieth Century a coach building company in Toowoomba began making motor cars, along with their range of buggies and sulkies.

    <!--Ken's code for image with caption--><TABLE style="FLOAT: right" class=image><TBODY><TR><TD>[​IMG]</TD></TR><TR><TD class=caption align=middle First Trevethan Car, Queensland, Australia</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Trevethans’ Toowoomba Coach Works, established by Thomas in 1863, first cars were made in 1903. After his death his two sons were also amongst the earliest manufacturers of bicycles in Queensland, from the late 1890’s. The eelectoral roll of 1900 shows one of the sons Thomas Alfred Trevethan then aged 24 as a bicycle manufacturer of Toowoomba.
    Many of their ‘T’ cycles were even fitted with small motors, so they could also legitimately claim to have made the first motor cycles built in Queensland as well. Walter and Thomas Trevethan’s early cars featured bodies made in their workshop and imported motors. Thomas junior even designed a gearbox for one of their cars, but generally they had imported drive and running gear.
    Like many coachbuilders of the era; the Trevethan brothers saw their business as the production of vehicles, rather than merely being limited to the horse drawn variety. Today we look back on the coachbuilders with misty-eyed nostalgia, but they considered themselves to be up-to-date innovators. They were open and keen to adopt new ideas. Coach building workshops like Trevethans’ were often the first businesses in their town to mechanize production using motors and belt driver drills, lathes, saws and planes.
    SHAPE \* MERGEFORMAT Trevethans’ coachworks was a family business which had grown with Toowoomba. Thomas Trevethan senior had come to Toowoomba as a youth way back in 1856 when the area was still known as ‘The Swamp’. He completed an apprenticeship with ‘St Margarets Forge’, a blacksmith shop near present day Queens Park. The Range side of East Creek was a camping ground for bullock and horse teams, and the blacksmith shop built and repaired their drays as well as shoeing the carthorses.
    In 1863 Thomas set up in business himself in Ruthven Street, which was becoming the centre of the town. Trevethan’s Coach Works became one of the best known businesses in Toowooba, and Thomas Trevethan was active in social life as a member of the town council and Mayor in 1888. Meanwhile the business prospered and Trevethan’s Coach works relocated to Neil Street where the bus interchange now stands..
    When Thomas Trevethan died in 1892 at the age of 46 years, Thomas junior and Walter were only about 20 years of age, but the business continued to prosper and gained a reputation for supplying vehicles of the finest quality. A four-wheeled dogcart in natural timber which was displayed at the 1894 Toowoomba Show was subsequently purchased by the Governor of Queensland H W Norman. The Trevethans regularly appeared in the trade journal Australasian Coachbuilder and Saddler both for the innovations they introduced into their workshops and the quality of their four-wheeled dogcarts, which seem to have been a specialty. Yet their business was diverse enough by the late 1890s to encompass sulkies and bicycles which were affordable to a wide market. When motor vehicles hit the roads around 1900, the Trevethan Brothers were keen to be involved.
    In July 1903 the Australasian Coachbuilder and Saddler carried the following article:
    Thomas Trevethan of Toowoomba proposes to go in for motorcars. The first is well on its way to completion it has a body on the model of an Abbot Buggy. The motor was purchased ready-made but the transmission and operating gear contain some original features.
    The First Car Made In Queensland.

    Thomas and Walter Trevethan made their first car in their Coach Works in Neil Street, Toowoomba in 1901-2, largely to their own design. The car was known as the Ly E Moon (or Ly Ee Moon), named interestingly after ship which sank off New south Wales coast in 1886. The car <!--Ken's code for image with caption--><TABLE style="FLOAT: left" class=image width=485><TBODY><TR><TD height=316>[​IMG]</TD></TR><TR><TD class=caption align=middle Trevethan Coach Works, Toowoomba, Queensland</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>had a De Dion engine which was possibly a modified stationary engine rather than one from a De Dion automobile. The engine for the Trevethan was a single cylinder 7 h p engine and once obtained a start was made with the building of a self-propelled vehicle. It was only natural that their first constructional effort in this direction should follow along the lines of the buggies they had been building previously, and so the horseless carriage which they were pleased to call a motor car, was built. This was probably the first motor car to be actually constructed in Queensland. Ignition was by dry cells, the crank handle being at the side of the vehicle while the drive was by a single chain direct to a sprocket on the differential. The steering was direct to the front wheels, no worm or other method of easing the strain of turning the large solid rubber shod buggy wheels being thought of. The radiator was mounted beneath the front of the car and the springs stretched the full length of the chassis from axle to axle.
    One unlooked for result of this construction effort was that every Sunday morning a stream of callers anxiously inquired of Walter which road he would be driving along that day. Having secured the desired information they took care to keep well away from that particular road so that they could jog along peacefully in their sulkies and buggies conveying family parties or sweethearts with no fear of the horses being disturbed by the queer contraption which ran along by itself omitting a variety of wheezing noises, coughs, splutters and rattles!
    After having driven the vehicle about Toowoomba for a few months, the proud owner decided to motor, with a companion, to Redcliffe. Of course, there was no such thing as a made road between the two towns in those days, the only defined track – where any existence at all – being made by bullock wagons, which wound in and out among boulders, tree stumps etc, and went almost direct over the range, no thought of seeking easy grades being in the minds of those who first blazed the trail.
    The lack of suitable oils for engine lubrication and a primitive transmission brake which operated through a chain to the rear wheels made such extended journeys a great challenge. The car was SHAPE \* MERGEFORMAT seriously damaged after being charged by bullocks in 1915 and subsequently spent many years lying in sheds and under houses, but has now been restored.
    The only break was on the transmission and they had to rely entirely on the single chain functioning perfectly. If the chain had jumped the sprocket going down the range there would have been no stopping the car. Apart from the usual spark plug changes about every 20 or 30 miles all went well however until on the old Liverpool Range road the car got stuck in heavy sand.

    <TABLE style="FLOAT: right" class=image><TBODY><TR><TD>[​IMG]</TD></TR><TR><TD class=caption align=middle Mr Trevethan & Mr Walker at the start of his road trip from Brisbane to Toowoomba in 1912</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>While assisting to get the car free, Walter’s trousers became caught on the end of the crankshaft with the result that one half was ripped completely off. Eventually they extracted the car and a little further on Walter secured the loan of a pair of trousers from a publican, who demanded a sovereign as security! Many horse vehicles had been passed on route, the language of the drivers in most cases being more forceful than polite, owing to the car frightening their horses.

    No other vehicles were evident in Redcliffe however, and Walter was probably the first motorist to drive to this seaside resort, now the rendezvous of thousands of Brisbane motorise.
    Walter said after the trip he wouldn’t undertake such a trip again for £1000. His hands had St Vitus dance at the end of the trip from hanging on to the steering wheel. For the return trip the car was driven to Helidon and conveyed by rail to Toowoomba.
    This exploit did much to stifle the early scepticism of the new form of transport amongst Toowoomba people, and when six months later Walter imported a 7 h. p. single cylinder Star, which looked more like a motor car than a motor buggy, residents began to take more interest in motor vehicles. He was successful in converting four persons to motor car ownership that year and the number of motorists had increased to a dozen in 1906, by which time residents of outside centres were also becoming interested in this branch of his coach building business. It was not until six years later, however that he finally abandoned coach building and commenced business in Brisbane as a motor car dealer.

    <!--Ken's code for image with caption--><TABLE style="FLOAT: left" class=image><TBODY><TR><TD>[​IMG]</TD></TR><TR><TD class=caption align=middle Restored Trevethan Car</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>At around the same time they also built the ‘Trevor’ car, which had an Oldsmobile engine and gearbox. This car has been painstakingly restored by Mr. Ross Flewell-Smith of Pine Mountain . Ross also had one of the Trevethans’ ‘T’ cycles.
    Six years later on the 1<SUP>st</SUP> of October 1912 Walter Trevethan set a record of 3 hours 7 minutes to drive from Brisbane to Toowoomba and it was not till the 20’s that it was officially beaten. The car was a new model Napier one of England’s finished cars. It was mechanically excellent for those times and the body work was superb.
    The route was through Ipswich, Rosewood, over the rough bulk track of the southern end of the Little Liverpool Range, then through Lauley to Toowoomba going up the Old Toll Bar Road. The distance was 73 miles. A puncher lost them 10 minutes and having to wait for the railway gates to open at Redbank lost a further six.
    After the record Mr Trevethan said he could redo the trip in two and a half hours if necessary. The timing was checked by the postmasters at Brisbane and Toowoomba. At times the speedometer was almost up to 45mph along some of the black soil stretches,
    This record stood for many years and though it may have been broken unofficially it was not until the early twenties that “Billy” Elvery set an accepted record of 2 hours 20 minutes which again stood for many years,
    Trevethan’s Motors was situated in Neil Street, but about the time of the 1912 record. Walter Trevethan had opened his business in Adelaide Street, Brisbane.
    Walter Trevethan became a foundation member of the RACQ (Royal Automobile Club of Queensland) in 1905 and worked in the automotive industry as a vehicle importer and retailer. Thomas Trevethan continued as a coachbuilder and engineer. Among other inventions Thomas developed the world’s first rotary hoe (motor plough), the patent for which he sold to H. V. McKay of Sunshine Harvester Co in 1910.
    [​IMG]Walter died at Southport and was buried at Toowoomba cemetery in February 1968."

    PS: :rolleyes: I know there is a colour photo of a restored Trevethan, but I don't know how to remove it from the discertation. Help .....
     
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    Okey-dokey, yes, it was not "real" but a futuristic Art Deco "streamliner" band bus created for the '35 action-musical romp, "Stolen Harmony," starring tough guy George Raft, real-life big bandleader Ben Bernie (best remembered for penning "Sweet Georgia Brown"), debuting actor Lloyd Nolan and Bill Cagney, look-alike brother of James Cagney. Among the showgirls is Jane Wyman (future Ronald Reagan spouse) in an unbilled appearance. Bernie played screen bandleader Jack Conrad. And with a main score by Academy-Award-winner Max Steiner and makeup by Academy laurelist Edith Head, one might think the film had a lot going for it.

    One would be wrong! LOL Maybe it should have been titled, "The Strange Voyage of the SS Jack Conrad"!

    I think the movie is interesting, though, because it is SO typical of the fluffy, escapist entertainment often done during the depths of the depression, in particular by Paramount. Period charm noted, though, it almost seems as if there was no writer! What plot there is, is both shallow and a jumble of movie styles popular in the mid-'30s, seemingly stewed up merely for the sake of entertaining folks for an hour-and-a-half! "Stolen Harmony" is part music-and-dance (George Raft gets to dance!!!), part comedy, part gangster film, part car-chase/action film, and part showcase for the prop bus that looks as if Buckminster Fuller designed it during a severe hangover. (I suspect this film formula was used to craft most of the '60s Elvis films. Word!)

    Anywho, none of the items available tell much at all about the drivetrain and chassis of this bus which, presumably, would have been based on a conventional chassis. They only mention the six wheels and the driver's "crow's nest." This appears mainly to have been for visual effect, 'cause it surely must have been a bitch to steer around corners, etc.! Forget about backing up or parking!

    So, I am left with a burning desire to see and hear more about this movie-prop leviathan AND to know if it survived, somewhere??? I know, not likely, right? I do want to share an entertaining mini-synopsis about this VERY period flick, plus a link to an actual clip!!! Enjoy!

    In this bouncy musical, a sax-playing ex-convict (Raft) joins a swing band and embarks upon a cross-country tour. He does really well until an old friend (Nolan) tries to tempt him into becoming a criminal again. The convict refuses the offer so the "friend" retaliates by doing the job anyway and leaving the con to take the rap. Then the band is kidnapped by a powerful person [get this!] desiring a private concert. The ex-con saves the band by informing on the crook. He is then allowed to play with them again and musical happiness ensues [Ah-h-h-h! A happy ending!]. Songs include: "Would There Be Love," "Let's Spill the Beans," "I Never Had a Man to Cry Over," and "Fagin Youse is a Viper."

    Here's a link to a YouTube clip from the movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YyFQgGTHfs
     
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    State Collage PA.

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    Oh! You did NOT just exhale! What a waste!
    The green DoubleMint pack says if you hold
    your breath a little, the gum will make your
    mouth and breath all pepperminty! Oye, what
    an amateur. Sheesh!

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    1910 Glidden tour
     
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    Quote SWI66....
    The top two cars that are racing appear to be 1907 Thomas Flyers which are the same year and model as the NY to Paris car. The bottom one appears to be a 1906 Thomas.

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    Can anyone identify the machine on the back of this 2-cylinder Buick?

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    Its Friday Five O'Clock Fliver Time.....

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