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Old 10-09-2012, 12:33 AM   #21
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Default Re: Saginaw 4 speed help

heres what you do. smack with a hammer a few times then put in a muncie!
kid i kid i have a sag 4 speed as well
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Old 10-09-2012, 06:29 AM   #22
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There it is, the 1 to 1 syncro (or 4th) is not seated correctly. Meaning it got rotated slightly and causing a separation making it bind and causing it to act like it's in 4th gear or input and output are ingaged when there not. The cones are seated tight together right now.
Question, you removed the tail housing while it was in the truck? Because the whole main shaft is generally removed with the tail housing as a unit, then getting to the C- clip is easy.
The manual i used didnt say the tail shaft came out. I was told to rotate the housing until the window was visible then remove the c clip, when i did that i was able to remove the housing no prob.
So do i need to reove the housing again and should it come out with the mainshaft and all those gears?

Does it just come out as a unit or is there a retention device of some kind?
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:32 AM   #23
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The manual i used didnt say the tail shaft came out. I was told to rotate the housing until the window was visible then remove the c clip, when i did that i was able to remove the housing no prob.
See your not so bad off as you may think. I never tried that approach.
No need to remove tail housing again. Just loosen the bolts to the tail housing so as to let it be pulled back a bit, then rotate the most forward syncro (4th gear) till you feel it settle in to the tabs. Then snug up the tail with 2 bolts only and see if all is back in place. This should do it. By the way, do you find it has a lot of drag or harder that normal turn at the yoke at this time when able to turn with the clutch.
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:37 AM   #24
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heres what you do. smack with a hammer a few times then put in a muncie!
kid i kid i have a sag 4 speed as well
Funny, hammers don't discriminate. Muncie will do this same thing if not reassembled correctly. So what's your point
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Old 10-09-2012, 01:36 PM   #25
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Johnny, i realized (you can't see in the pics) but one of the synchros was up against the gear and would lock things up, it was wedged pretty good. Screwdriver did the trick and everything is good now. Filling it with fluid and going to button her up.

By the way, I have a drive shaft that is tapered on both ends, does the pinion go on the longer taper? Makes sense to me but i'm a little loopy at the moment since I've been under my truck since Saturday!
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Old 10-09-2012, 03:06 PM   #26
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Johnny, i realized (you can't see in the pics) but one of the synchros was up against the gear and would lock things up, it was wedged pretty good. Screwdriver did the trick and everything is good now. Filling it with fluid and going to button her up.

By the way, I have a drive shaft that is tapered on both ends, does the pinion go on the longer taper? Makes sense to me but i'm a little loopy at the moment since I've been under my truck since Saturday!
Good deal, just about the same affect as to I was referring to. Which syncro by the way? As for as the drive shaft, sorry no answer. 1, I don't know that truck, and 2, I'm not a mechanic by trade. But someone will chime in I'm sure on the drive shaft.
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Old 10-09-2012, 06:17 PM   #27
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oh boy. If you cant get it pull the tranny out.
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Old 10-09-2012, 08:29 PM   #28
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Thanks to Johnny and everyone else that took the time to reply and try to help get me back on the road.
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