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Old 08-14-2010, 11:18 AM   #81
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Default Re: HEMI Tech- INDEX

Here are some tid bits of oil pump info...I have also put this in the OIL System folder.
Dodge started out with what we generally consider to be the '392' pump.
Chrysler started out with what is generally called the 'early style' pump.
...and then there is DeSoto...
DeSoto used the design of the early pump, but, they used the 'foot' design of the Dodge. So what you have is an early style pump that will bolt on to a Dodge or a 392. Conversely, you can put a new M-50 on your DeSoto, of course the pick-up tube must be dealt with but, hey, were fabricators, right? Also, the DeSoto shaft is about 0.100" shorter than the rest so some fussing is required if you swap things around.

276-291 DeSoto on left, 331 Chrysler on right, note the casting numbers.


The feet sure 'look' the same...


time to get the tape out...DeSoto


331...


392...


Hopefully I have been able to offer some additional confusion to the issue..

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Old 08-14-2010, 09:04 PM   #82
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Thanks to everyone that have added to this one stop shop for Hemi knowledge. Very impressive. Great work.
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Old 08-14-2010, 10:25 PM   #83
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Just to make things even MORE simple... here's an index of the articles and subjects we've been talking about so far. I will update the "Index" as new ones come in.

NEW! These topics as well as more discussions can be found here:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/g...hp?groupid=273

HEMI Tech- General parts and info resources

HEMI Tech- Identification

HEMI Tech- What are these engines worth?

HEMI Tech- Gaskets

HEMI Tech- Block, head, porting/polishing, gaskets, mounting

HEMI Tech- Transmission adapters, flywheels, starters

HEMI Tech- Hemi Engine Mounts

HEMI Tech- Intakes and exhaust manifolds

HEMI Tech- Ignition

HEMI Tech- Blowers, Superchargers, fuel injection

HEMI Tech- Rockers, valves, pushrods, springs

HEMI Tech- PISTONS! rods and related

HEMI Tech: Water pump. Change? Rebuild? Run it?

HEMI Tech: Oil systems- filters, pumps, pans

HEMI Tech: Camshafts.. new? Regrind? solid or Hydraulic?

HEMI Tech- Crankshafts. Stock? Billet? Stroker?

HEMI Tech- Harmonic Balancers

HEMI Tech: Alternator? Generator? Acc. Brackets?

HEMI tech- Chevy H2O pump and pulleys?

HEMI Tech- fuel pumps and covers- timing, valley and valve/rocker

HEMI Tech- Examples and specs!

HEMI Tech: Vacuum, Breathing and crank case pressure

HEMI Tech: Machining

HEMI Tech- Daimler Hemis

HEMI Tech- POLY Tech - early poly motor info

HEMI Tech- Rebuilds

HEMI Tech: Machine Shop Reference by State

Please PM me if any of these links don't work or if you have some ideas for new topics. Still have some in mind and will post them and update this list as they happen. In the mean time, let's all help keep the subjects full of up to date useful information.

Hope these topics help everyone!

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Old 11-12-2010, 08:02 AM   #84
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Default Re: HEMI Tech- INDEX

I have a early hemi I recently purchased (my first) and the seller described it as a 1958 Dodge 354 Hemi out of a dump truck. I finally got it apart (with alot of patience, 2 cans of PB Blaster and heat,. wheew) and it looks like has never been gone through before.

Headed to the machine shop but wanna make sure I'm on solid ground with the ID.

Valley casting number is # 1619829-7 and number stamped on the front of the left bank is VT576.

Any help??

Thanks, jeff
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Old 11-12-2010, 08:21 AM   #85
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I just want to thank scootermcrad for the wonderful Hemi tech info/index he has provided for everyone who's into Hemi's. It has certainly helped me in quite a few ways. Fantastic work! Thanks, Eric/farmer12
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Old 11-12-2010, 08:54 AM   #86
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I have a early hemi I recently purchased (my first) and the seller described it as a 1958 Dodge 354 Hemi out of a dump truck. I finally got it apart (with alot of patience, 2 cans of PB Blaster and heat,. wheew) and it looks like has never been gone through before.

Headed to the machine shop but wanna make sure I'm on solid ground with the ID.

Valley casting number is # 1619829-7 and number stamped on the front of the left bank is VT576.

Any help??

Thanks, jeff
Jeff, take a look at the ID thread linked above. You will find plenty of info on that number. At first glance, it does appear to be a truck number.
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Old 11-12-2010, 08:58 AM   #87
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I just want to thank scootermcrad for the wonderful Hemi tech info/index he has provided for everyone who's into Hemi's. It has certainly helped me in quite a few ways. Fantastic work! Thanks, Eric/farmer12
Sweeeett!! That thing is niiiice! Make sure to add a video to your progress!

Glad the tech helped! I have been SUPER busy around here, so I've fallen behind on the organization of it all. I have a bunch to add, including a BUNCH of info on Daimler Hemis, and some much needed links.

In all seriousness, though. This tech is NOTHING without all who have added to it! Keep adding to the tech as you see good links out there!
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Old 11-12-2010, 09:02 AM   #88
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bynIPFTZK9Q

Here's the video of its first run. I have already posted this on my build thread a while ago, but I thought you'd enjoy this one.
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Old 11-12-2010, 09:55 AM   #89
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I have a early hemi I recently purchased (my first) and the seller described it as a 1958 Dodge 354 Hemi out of a dump truck. I finally got it apart (with alot of patience, 2 cans of PB Blaster and heat,. wheew) and it looks like has never been gone through before.

Headed to the machine shop but wanna make sure I'm on solid ground with the ID.

Valley casting number is # 1619829-7 and number stamped on the front of the left bank is VT576.

Any help??

Thanks, jeff
The block casting number is 354! I'll add the vt 576 to the list. Thanks!

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Old 11-12-2010, 12:00 PM   #90
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Thanks, the link is awesome. I dropped the short block at the machine shop here locally this morning,. I've got the heads that came off of the 354 engine which appear to be truck heads with the "tall" heat passages and second set of 392 passenger heads.
I want to run a 2x2 edmunds intake but the 354 truck heads with the tall heat riser passages in the center arent covered by the intake. In the link you sent me it says the 392 heads will work on the 354 short block but I cant use my edmunds 2x2,. Sigh,. Seems like there should a way,.
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Old 11-12-2010, 04:28 PM   #91
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Thanks, the link is awesome. I dropped the short block at the machine shop here locally this morning,. I've got the heads that came off of the 354 engine which appear to be truck heads with the "tall" heat passages and second set of 392 passenger heads.
I want to run a 2x2 edmunds intake but the 354 truck heads with the tall heat riser passages in the center arent covered by the intake. In the link you sent me it says the 392 heads will work on the 354 short block but I cant use my edmunds 2x2,. Sigh,. Seems like there should a way,.
A good welder could weld up the upper part of the crossover, or use a block off plate. The Edmunds(that I'm aware of) is made for the small port 331s. See how they match up. There are a number of problems trying to use 392 heads on a 354 block.
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Old 11-12-2010, 06:58 PM   #92
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I want to run a 2x2 edmunds intake but the 354 truck heads with the tall heat riser passages in the center arent covered by the intake. In the link you sent me it says the 392 heads will work on the 354 short block but I cant use my edmunds 2x2,. Sigh,. Seems like there should a way,.
One piece intakes will not fit if you have tall deck (392) heads on a short deck (331-354) block.
The Edmunds were made for both the small port (51-53) and big port (54) heads. Which do you have? IIRC, all Edmunds have a t-stat so you need to check port size to determine which head matches the intake. You could run the small port intake on large port heads, been done many times, just not the most efficient.
You can still use the truck heads, there are two relatively easy solutions, but you will still have water in the manifold:
...Weld a tab onto the intake to cover the port.
...Once the heads have been cleaned, fill the top portion of the port (in the head) with Devcon or something similar.

This discussion needs to be moved to a project thread.

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Old 11-12-2010, 07:14 PM   #93
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Thanks for the feedback,. jeff
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