History Auto racing 1894-1944

[kurtis]

Originally Posted by The37Kid

I'm 99% sure that is an Oldsmobile, a curved dash with the dash cut down for a better aero effect. Just one more reason for noboD's friend to join the HAMB.

Fantastic photo.

[T-Head]

Kurtis..... Welcome back.

[kurtis]

Thankyou my friend. I see there has been some great discussions.

This is a wonderful group. Thanks to everyone.

[kurtis]

Originally Posted by gearguy

Gee Michael, I hope my Argentine guests don't take offense! I've invited a father & son team of midget racer/car builders to visit this summer and was hoping to get leads on old Fronty parts from down there.

Leo will become the first Argentinian that we know of to drive a midget in the USA. The geat thing about this sport is NEW HISTORY continues to be made every year.

Carlos [the father] first saw American midgets race in Argentina in 1955. He later built his own cars and restores vintage racing equipment [including a Fronty] for clients. I'm hoping to get the Argentinian side of the 1955 expedition to complete the saga reported in Jack Fox's Might Midgets book of 1976.

Who knows how much neat "missing" equipment went South over the years. The Barbieris may help us find out.

Chuck Schultz
Winfield, Illinois

Hi Chuck.

Could you do me a favor and ask Carlos and Leo if they have come across a Montier head for a Model T engine. It's a long shot but there was one found in that part of the world a few years ago.

[Jim Scammell]

Originally Posted by model.A.keith

Posted the rest of the pictures here.......
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=472423
Keith

Thanks Keith for the excellent collection of Shelsley Walsh Hill Climb shots. - Jim

[The37Kid]

Keith, thanks for the Stanley photo. I wonder how many of those 30HP Vanderbilt clones have beem built in the past 15 years?

[kurtis]

Originally Posted by T-Head

A Gamy hand colored Lithograph of Boillot the 1912 French GP winner.

Kurtis, do you know who the photographer was who took the photo of Boillot about to go under the bridge in your post?

T-Head,

I went to the library today to find the info you requested. Unfortunately the original photographer is not listed, instead the photo is attributed to the Neil Bruce/Peter Roberts Collection. My apologies.

However i came across a thread on the Autosport forum some time ago discussing the Dieppe Circuit with some then and now photos to compare. It's amazing how some things haven't changed over time. Be sure to check it out.

http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?showtopic=22656

[model.A.keith]

Originally Posted by The37Kid

Keith, thanks for the Stanley photo. I wonder how many of those 30HP Vanderbilt clones have beem built in the past 15 years?

Sadly i have only seen pictures, found that one looking for something else.



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Keith

[twin6]

The Stanley register has a page devoted the the Vanderbilt clones, listing all made to date:

http://www.stanleyregister.net/VCR.html

[model.A.keith]

Originally Posted by twin6

The Stanley register has a page devoted the the Vanderbilt clones, listing all made to date:

http://www.stanleyregister.net/VCR.html

twin6,

thanks for the link, found this on the Uk site


'Whistling Billy'




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[ehdubya]

Originally Posted by model.A.keith

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any story for this one Keith?

[ehdubya]

whistling vs gobbling

[T-Head]

[QUOTE=kurtis;5228787]T-Head,

I went to the library today to find the info you requested. Unfortunately the original photographer is not listed, instead the photo is attributed to the Neil Bruce/Peter Roberts Collection. My apologies.

Thanks anyway and for looking....... Whoever took that photo had a good eye.

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[model.A.keith]

Originally Posted by ehdubya

any story for this one Keith?

Picture was captioned as.


On the right, an A-7 "Meteor?" On the left, Triumph Imp. Location, Lake Perkolilli, Western Australia, early 1930s.



Keith

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[ehdubya]

thanks Keith, I thought it looked colonial but would never have guessed WA.

1905 Vanderbilt Walter White...

[twin6]

Does anyone have the scoop on what was under the bonnet on the White? The White passenger cars had a 2 cylinder (compound) engine, and flash tube boiler; about a quart of water was in the system when under power. They had condensers way before Stanley did. Very different setup from the Stanleys, which used fire tube boilers that held (in the case of the 30hp cars and racers) dozens of gallons of water. I'd love to know what made Whisting Billy go.

[model.A.keith]

The fastest dirt oval racing car in America in the summer of 1905 would have to be 'Whistling Billy' - the White steam racer driven by Webb Jay. For some reason the first two White racers were given the names Snail and Turtle.

May 27 in Chicago he beat the great Barney Oldfield's Green Dragon, Louis Chevrolet in a Fiat, and Walter Christie's racer. Christie went so far as to put engines in the front and back of his racer, but even with 4 wheel drive the pesky steam car won again at Morris Park's July 4 races.

The gasoline cars fortunes turned when Jay crashed his racer into a creek Aug. 18, at a race in Buffalo, NY. Jay was lucky to survive, and never raced again. These White steam racers are not well known, unlike the Stanley's. The best and almost the only research I've seen on the White racers was done by Dr. Keith Hardman, published as a short article in the Antique Automobile, Jan/Feb 1973.






Taken from the Autosport bulletin board

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[T-Head]

A very youthful looking Ralph Mulford and his mechanic in a Lozier.