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north coast greaser 04-05-2007 12:34 PM

shaving with JB Weld?
 
i am looking to shave off all of the chrome side/hood trim on my 56 lancer, and was curious to know what i could use to fill the holes. i dont have a welder, so are there any alternitives to filling the holes??? some of the holes are fairly big (1"-ish) on the hood. could i use JB Weld??? i just dont wanna use bondo to fill holes, but would use it to "skim" over with.

any ideas or thoughts?

thanks
ncg

36-3window 04-05-2007 12:43 PM

Re: shaving with JB Weld?
 
i would read this thread first:

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...light=j+b+weld

35WINDOW 04-05-2007 12:44 PM

Re: shaving with JB Weld?
 
Do you know anybody with a Welder? That is the best option. If no, I would Panel Bond some 18 ga. CRS to the back of the Fender, Bondo and voila!

Degreaser 04-05-2007 02:48 PM

Re: shaving with JB Weld?
 
Know anyone with a torch? You could braze em' up if you cant get access to welder.

George G 04-05-2007 03:00 PM

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God here we go again. Hope you have thick skin.

JB weld apprears to be an emotional issue. Didn't know hambers had such a sensitive side. Their wives / GF likley didn't have a clue.... :)

Hey NCG, it worked for me.

paperdog 04-05-2007 03:32 PM

Re: shaving with JB Weld?
 
MAYBE IF THE NAME WAS
JB STRONG /HARDENING GLUE STUFF
NOT.... WELD????

USED IT ON THE CRACKED INTAKE /HEAT RISER BOX ON MY 52 BUICK WORKED GREAT
paperdog

Shifty Shifterton 04-05-2007 03:50 PM

Re: shaving with JB Weld?
 
If you're gonna do it wrong, here's the best "wrong" way I know

Grind the backside of the panel with an 80 grit sanding disc in the area you wish to fill

Lay fiberglass over the roughed up area, thus closing the holes from behind. An easy way is to get a can of tiger hair, and a little bit of plain fiberglass cloth. Mush the tiger hair into the cloth, there's your patch. If you wanna get fancy, you can adjust the tiger hair's consistency with resin to make it more pliable, or just to make a huge runny mess.

You can even fill the hole from the front with tiger hair to reduce the bondo required to smooth it out.

Then the inevitable bondo.

Like others have said, not the right way. Don't be suprised if you can see faint circles in 18 months under the paint, from the edges of the hole. But I've also had it turn out great, and last several years until the car was sold. Nowadays own a MIG, and there is no way I'd ever glass em anymore. Way less work to weld em, and actually cheaper once you get past the purchase of the welder. And it's "right". Well, not as right as TIG. Maybe I should say MIG is "right-ish"

Good luck either way.

40StudeDude 04-05-2007 03:55 PM

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After reading all of that thread, George G...you DO have thick skin...and, I, for one am glad you've decided to stick around the HAMB...

It amazes me how many experts are on the HAMB...and how many different opinions and fixes there are...and yes, there is the tried and true correct way...but...personally, I applaud you for doing it your own way...and that's where individualism comes in play.

If your fix stays in for five or ten years, by then, you may have learned how to weld ...or your son may have...then, you can do it the old tried and true way...

And North Coast Greaser, I suggest you go find some of that panel adhesive, I have seen it and it holds amazingly well...glue those holes up, JB Weld it and then bondo it...let's see if it lasts for five years.

R-

CYRUS 04-05-2007 04:03 PM

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I'd just save up my pennies for an el cheapo welder. (Actually that's what I did. Then I traded up and traded up again, now I have a decent welder.) Even the cheapest 110V mig will still weld up holes in sheetmetal.

Shifty was right on the "wrong" way to do it. Fiberglass is better than JB any day. I did use JB to fill a hole in a VW crankcase once. The damn thing still runs many, many years later.

Nads 04-05-2007 04:05 PM

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Just buy a fucking welder, they're cheap.

FWIW I JB welded my Packard engine block at least 4 years ago, it leaks but it's still holding.

F&J 04-05-2007 04:27 PM

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Will body filler work?...Yes.

I did a frame off on my 66 chev showtruck. I got rust free cab & doors from out west that was drilled for factory side chrome. At the time I was restoring the doors, I had not decided if I wanted chrome or not, So I could not weld them shut, in case I decided to get the trim.

I sandblasted the doors and while I was at it, I blasted the inside right around each trim hole. I then lightly ground the front side of the holes to remove the sharp edge of each hole. Then I put a piece of masking tape LOOSELY on the back of each hole, then just filler.

That was 10+ years ago, last 5 years the truck sits outside after I lost my heated storage. I defy anyone who can "see" where those holes are today. Those holes were about 3/8" I think.

A 1" hole would need a backer I would think. Like a clean piece of sheetmetal. Install from backside with filler and it will be there forever.

P/S... I have had a Miller 35S for 25 years, and I still don't weld trim holes. I don't think I will ever "glue" body repair panels on, I'd always weld them on. But I have had my fill of people telling me how to do MY repairs on My cars. Life is too short to think that you have to do everything "correct". The same people would have you believe that unless you spend $1000 on paint supplies, your car won't win at shows.

CYRUS 04-05-2007 04:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by F&J (Post 1895499)
Life is too short to think that you have to do everything "correct". The same people would have you believe that unless you spend $1000 on paint supplies, your car won't win at shows.


Amen, brother. F#@k show quality paint. Make it yours and you'll be happy. You need a welder, though. I don't know what I did without it.

punkabilly1306 04-05-2007 05:02 PM

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P/S... I have had a Miller 35S for 25 years, and I still don't weld trim holes. I don't think I will ever "glue" body repair panels on, I'd always weld them on. But I have had my fill of people telling me how to do MY repairs on My cars. Life is too short to think that you have to do everything "correct". The same people would have you believe that unless you spend $1000 on paint supplies, your car won't win at shows.[/quote]

i agree to an extent but im one of those people that when i eventually go to sell the car in the future i would like it when people start doing there own thing on the car to see quality work not just play-doh filling holes....just my opinion tho, maybe im not alone

nutwagonfromhell 04-05-2007 05:04 PM

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We use 3m panel bond to fill bullet holes. We also glue door skins and quater panels on newer cars with it I`m sure it`ll work for shaving it takes a blow torch to remove it.

K13 04-05-2007 05:08 PM

Re: shaving with JB Weld?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by F&J (Post 1895499)
Will body filler work?...Yes.

I did a frame off on my 66 chev showtruck. I got rust free cab & doors from out west that was drilled for factory side chrome. At the time I was restoring the doors, I had not decided if I wanted chrome or not, So I could not weld them shut, in case I decided to get the trim.

I sandblasted the doors and while I was at it, I blasted the inside right around each trim hole. I then lightly ground the front side of the holes to remove the sharp edge of each hole. Then I put a piece of masking tape LOOSELY on the back of each hole, then just filler.

That was 10+ years ago, last 5 years the truck sits outside after I lost my heated storage. I defy anyone who can "see" where those holes are today. Those holes were about 3/8" I think.

A 1" hole would need a backer I would think. Like a clean piece of sheetmetal. Install from backside with filler and it will be there forever.

P/S... I have had a Miller 35S for 25 years, and I still don't weld trim holes. I don't think I will ever "glue" body repair panels on, I'd always weld them on. But I have had my fill of people telling me how to do MY repairs on My cars. Life is too short to think that you have to do everything "correct". The same people would have you believe that unless you spend $1000 on paint supplies, your car won't win at shows.

I agree to each his own and I'm glad you have had sucess with using filler to plug holes but you really are flirting with disaster doing it that way. Filler has no real structural strength to it and will absorb moisture like crazy if it is not sealed which will cause it to swell and either pop out of the hole or cause the repair area to map.

I'm not trying to tell you how to do your own work. If it has worked and you are happy with it thats great but I wouldn't want someone else to go to alot of work to have a mess on their hands later on. I work for a filler company and there is no way we would suggest using regular body filler for that purpose. It is in no way designed for that type of repair.

fatty mcguire 04-05-2007 05:13 PM

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Our welder was less than 200 bucks at home depot, had it for a couple years and never had a problem. IM sure its not the best welder out there but it gets the job done and good tp practice on

punkabilly1306 04-05-2007 05:14 PM

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Exactly

Kerry 04-05-2007 05:45 PM

Re: shaving with JB Weld?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nads (Post 1895453)
FWIW I JB welded my Packard engine block at least 4 years ago, it leaks but it's still holding.

Sounds like my hemi block. Cracked like mad on the passenger side. I welded it some for structural, which you're not supposed to do on cast, and put some JB on it. Weeps a bit but is hanging in there.

49ratfink 04-05-2007 07:20 PM

Re: shaving with JB Weld?
 
interesting thread. as stated earlier, do whatever temporary fix you want , it's your car and who knows, sometimes the wrong way lasts quite a while.

one comment I have to add for those who feel brazing holes is a good alternative. there is something in the braze that reacts with bondo. I'm doing a 64 Impala with all the trim removed. there is prolly 30 holes which were filled, some with just mud and some were brazed. if you look down the side of the car you can see a little bump where the bondo over the brazed holes is starting to fail. 10 bumps or so per side. one has cracked. this paint job is at least 10 years old if not older.

just something to think about for those who may someday put a nice ($$$$) paint job over the bodywork they do today.

the owner wants me to just smooth out the bumps rather than spend another 1500 - 2000 to redo all the work on the sides so that's what I'll do. the bumps will be back, it's just a matter of when.

wvenfield 04-05-2007 07:32 PM

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How many "JB Weld isn't good for this but I used it to........and it's still working fine....years later" are there?

That said, I wouldn't do it if I was planning on a nice paint job. But I love the stuff! LOL


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