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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by kurtis, Jul 18, 2009.

  1. ehdubya,

    Thanks for the great profile shot of Chevrolet's Fronty- it's EXACTLY what I needed!!!

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    Oh, and the plane in your pics looks like a Sopwith- just not sure which one, possibly a Tabloid.
     
  2. Vitesse
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    Definitely not a Tabloid, which had a very distinctive chisel nose. AFAIK Kath Stinson usually flew Curtiss aircraft, but that's obviously not a Curtiss Jenny, which is the model she's best known for.

    This website claims the picture to be from Sheepshead Bay, on or about May 14th 1916:

    http://historyans.wordpress.com/201...-katherine-stinson-and-entertainment-in-1916/

    The New York Times report doesn't mention a race, though - only aerobatics.

    http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9F04E6DB1439E233A25757C1A9639C946796D6CF

    They also raced at South Bend, IN on June 4th - this news report says for the first time:

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...AAIBAJ&pg=1125,5918336&dq=stinson+resta&hl=en

    However, the lack of a crowd would indicate it's some sort of practice or publicity picture.
     
  3. Newspaper article about the Adams Automobile Co. and Adams Truck and Foundry Co. Adams Axle Co.

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=cYsvAAAAIBAJ&sjid=pNwFAAAAIBAJ&pg=5771,3143942
     
  4. ehdubya
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    I think the plane is her Curtiss Jenny based Stinson Special. The Metropolitian Cup was run on 13th May 1916, George Adams is placed 4th in this report...

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9F04E6DB1439E233A25757C1A9639C946796D6CF

    edit: I just realized the race not mentioned you're referring to is Stinson and Resta, yes it does look like a publicity or practice run about the time of the Cup.
     
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  5. The37Kid
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    Can I just ask why?:confused:
     
  6. ehdubya
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  7. 88daryl88
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    LMAO :D:D:D..:(..:eek:
     
  8. Michael Ferner
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    I suppose those are Argentinian dollars, of the type you throw into the air and they never come down again... :rolleyes:
     
  9. twin6
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    Harold Griffith racing in Cushing, Oklahoma 1925.
     

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  10. gearguy
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    Gee Michael, I hope my Argentine guests don't take offense! I've invited a father & son team of midget racer/car builders to visit this summer and was hoping to get leads on old Fronty parts from down there.

    Leo will become the first Argentinian that we know of to drive a midget in the USA. The geat thing about this sport is NEW HISTORY continues to be made every year.

    Carlos [the father] first saw American midgets race in Argentina in 1955. He later built his own cars and restores vintage racing equipment [including a Fronty] for clients. I'm hoping to get the Argentinian side of the 1955 expedition to complete the saga reported in Jack Fox's Might Midgets book of 1976.

    Who knows how much neat "missing" equipment went South over the years. The Barbieris may help us find out.

    Chuck Schultz
    Winfield, Illinois
     
  11. gearguy,

    Do you have any pics of the Fronty that he is restoring/has restored?

    Thanks, Bill
     
  12. 88daryl88
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    If your giving them away... I'd like some too! :D
     
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    Ummm, Bob... I will GLADLY pay shipping for those :eek::D!!!

    Any story behind them?
     
  14. jimdillon
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    Good pic of Sweepstakes with the body off. I would assume this pic has to be probably 1901 or early 1902. Ford was probably onto designing and starting the build of his bigger racers (what eventually became 999 and Arrow) by March of 1902. Pretty cool pic-Jim
     
  15. gearguy
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    I will request photos of the Frony parts from Leo & Carlos. They sent me a few months ago but they are lost in my e-mail traffic.

    As mentioned, Carlos [now 72] saw the American midgets race in 1955 and was hooked immediately. He sent me these photos of Argentine team that competed against the visiting Americans. What a transporter!
     

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  17. T-Head
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    Jim..... Your right, I was lucky to find it.
     
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  18. fur biscuit
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    RM Auctions
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    http://www.rmauctions.com

    1928 Reo Racing Car

    From the Brazilian Collector Mr. Abraham Kogan

    Specifications:
    190bhp (est.), 7-litre, inline <KOSMIX class=tokhubbub title="Side valve" style="DISPLAY: inline; FONT-WEIGHT: bolder; FLOAT: none; COLOR: #003399; POSITION: relative" target="_blank" href="http://www.kosmix.com/topic/Side valve?as=clink2&ac=463" rel="nofollow" kmap_score="0.540735" old_onclick="null" orig_text="side&nbsp;valve">side valveside valve</KOSMIX> eight-cylinder engine with quadruple Winfield carburettors, three-speed gearbox, front suspension via semi-elliptical <KOSMIX class=tokhubbub title="Leaf spring" style="DISPLAY: inline; FONT-WEIGHT: bolder; FLOAT: none; COLOR: #003399; POSITION: relative" target="_blank" href="http://www.kosmix.com/topic/Leaf spring?as=clink2&ac=463" rel="nofollow" kmap_score="0.0774293" old_onclick="null" orig_text="leaf&nbsp;springs">leaf springsleaf springs</KOSMIX> and <KOSMIX class=tokhubbub title="Beam axle" style="DISPLAY: inline; FONT-WEIGHT: bolder; FLOAT: none; COLOR: #003399; POSITION: relative" target="_blank" href="http://www.kosmix.com/topic/Beam axle?as=clink2&ac=463" rel="nofollow" kmap_score="0.957854" old_onclick="null" orig_text="beam&nbsp;axle">beam axlebeam axle</KOSMIX>, rear suspension via semi-elliptical leaf springs and <KOSMIX class=tokhubbub title="Live axle" style="DISPLAY: inline; FONT-WEIGHT: bolder; FLOAT: none; COLOR: #003399; POSITION: relative" target="_blank" href="http://www.kosmix.com/topic/Live axle?as=clink2&ac=463" rel="nofollow" kmap_score="0.127378" old_onclick="null" orig_text="live&nbsp;axle">live axlelive axle</KOSMIX>, and four-wheel hydraulic drum brakes

    <KOSMIX class=tokhubbub title="Car collectors" style="DISPLAY: inline; FONT-WEIGHT: bolder; FLOAT: none; COLOR: #003399; POSITION: relative" target="_blank" href="http://www.kosmix.com/topic/Car collectors?as=clink2&ac=463" rel="nofollow" kmap_score="1125" old_onclick="null" orig_text="Car&nbsp;collectors">Car collectorsCar collectors</KOSMIX> have known for a long time that some of the greatest barn finds have come out of Argentina. Not so many realize why that is so. To understand, it is necessary to consider Buenos Aires in the inter-war years. Argentina was at that time the world's third largest economy ? and motor racing was virtually the national sport. Some of the greatest drivers came from this vibrant motoring world, including Juan Manuel Fangio, who never left Argentina till the age of 40, but when he retired at 47, he had won an unprecedented five world driving championships.

    As great as Fangio was, it was Ernesto Blanco who was the national hero. Unlike Fangio, he never went to Europe to race ? but in Argentina his record was unsurpassed.

    Born in 1893, Blanco began his motor racing career with motorcycles in the early 1920s, but by the 1926 he had won the ACA 12 hour race at the Circuito do <KOSMIX class=tokhubbub title="Morón Airport and Air Base" style="DISPLAY: inline; FONT-WEIGHT: bolder; FLOAT: none; COLOR: #003399; POSITION: relative" target="_blank" href="http://www.kosmix.com/topic/Morón Airport and Air Base?as=clink2&ac=463" rel="nofollow" kmap_score="1000" old_onclick="null" orig_text="Morón">MorónMorón</KOSMIX>. His original racing car was also a Reo, purchased from the distributor in Buenos Aires who had changed the name of the car to Rio, as the word reo in Spanish translates as 'criminal'.

    Ernesto Blanco's Reo

    Ernesto Blanco's second Reo (spelled with an 'e' now) was designed by Macoco de Alzaga and Luis Viglione one afternoon in 1930. In a 1974 interview with Corsa magazine, Macoco de Alzaga claimed: 'Luis Viglione and myself designed the car one afternoon in 1930. We were trying to copy the "Gold Seal Special" Chrysler of Gaudno, which was a gorgeous car.' The body was new, but the car was mechanically very similar to the Chrysler they were copying.

    They kept the Reo engine, rated at 125 bhp, although displacement was increased from the stock 358 cu. in. (5,840cc) to around 7 litres. Even though the Reo engine was a fairly conventional design for the period, an examination of the design specifications sheds some light, particularly on its reliability. The basic design was a nine main bearing eight with full pressure lubrication. The crankshaft was chrome hardened, and the pistons were aluminium. They fitted Winfield carburettors and a custom <KOSMIX class=tokhubbub title="Manifold (automotive) (Exhaust manifold)" style="DISPLAY: inline; FONT-WEIGHT: bolder; FLOAT: none; COLOR: #003399; POSITION: relative" target="_blank" href="http://www.kosmix.com/topic/Manifold (automotive) (Exhaust manifold)?as=clink2&ac=463" rel="nofollow" kmap_score="0.0311036" old_onclick="null" orig_text="exhaust&nbsp;manifold">exhaust manifoldexhaust manifold</KOSMIX>, but changed little else. According to Alzaga, the result was good for 180?190 bhp ? more than enough to be competitive. The standard Reo 'Silent Second' transmission was retained, as was the spiral bevel rear axle.

    The chassis was not so easy. The original Reo frame was very high, and they found it necessary to modify the rear of the chassis frame, increasing the curvature and lowering the frame down over the axle. In addition, the front to rear weight balance was lacking given the huge size and weight of the inline eight-cylinder Reo engine, so they moved the drivetrain back several inches. <KOSMIX class=tokhubbub title="Giovanni Volpi" style="DISPLAY: inline; FONT-WEIGHT: bolder; FLOAT: none; COLOR: #003399; POSITION: relative" target="_blank" href="http://www.kosmix.com/topic/Giovanni Volpi?as=clink2&ac=463" rel="nofollow" kmap_score="0.148148" old_onclick="null" orig_text="Volpi">VolpiVolpi</KOSMIX> brakes were added later to improve stopping power and for better resistance to fading.

    The Reo in Competition

    Blanco began racing this car in September 1931, and, in what is believed to be its first outing, finished second in the 500 kilometre Delegación del <KOSMIX class=tokhubbub title="Automóvil Club Argentino" style="DISPLAY: inline; FONT-WEIGHT: bolder; FLOAT: none; COLOR: #003399; POSITION: relative" target="_blank" href="http://www.kosmix.com/topic/Automóvil Club Argentino?as=clink2&ac=463" rel="nofollow" kmap_score="2000" old_onclick="null" orig_text="Automóvil&nbsp;Club Argentino">Automóvil Club ArgentinoAutomóvil Club Argentino</KOSMIX> en Arrecifes. Over the next ten years, Blanco would earn an astonishing twelve first place finishes ? along with five seconds and a half dozen third and fourth place finishes.

    During the 1930s, Blanco would race ? and win ? against most of the greats, including Fangio and legendary SSK driver Carlos Zatuszek. In fact, the rivalry between the latter and Blanco was intense, and was followed closely in the newspapers of the day. One report describes the battle for the Gran Premio Nacional (Great National Prize):

    'The German driver, Carlos Zatuszek could have won in 14 hrs 51 minutes and 7 seconds, but on arriving at the San Vicente part of the race, Zatuszek's car, which was going at a tremendous speed crashed into the barrier. He suffered minor cuts and bruises, but he also suffered with an ear injury from hitting the steering wheel, which then had to be operated on. His <KOSMIX class=tokhubbub title=Co-driver style="DISPLAY: inline; FONT-WEIGHT: bolder; FLOAT: none; COLOR: #003399; POSITION: relative" target="_blank" href="http://www.kosmix.com/topic/Co-driver?as=clink2&ac=463" rel="nofollow" kmap_score="0.123244" old_onclick="null" orig_text="co-driver">co-driverco-driver</KOSMIX> was uninjured. Fortunately for Ernesto Blanco, Zatuszek was eliminated and Blanco won.

    Ernesto Blanco finished in 14 hrs 59 minutes and 52 seconds.'

    In 1936, Blanco entered the 500 mile race at Rafaela. In spite of his popularity, he
    wasn't expected to win as the competition was fierce. As it happened, he spent much of the race wheel to wheel, swapping the lead with Carlos Arzani in his Alfa 8C 2900, which had been converted to single-seater configuration. After keeping the crowd on the edges of their seats for hours, Blanco finally took the chequered flag, to the astonishment and delight of his very vocal Argentinean fans.

    Although Blanco retired the Reo in 1955, he continued racing until just before his death in 1961.

    The Blanco Reo Today

    After Blanco's death, the Reo was found in a farmer's field in rural Argentina by Roberto Vigneau who, along with his father-in-law Busquet Serra, restored the car ? not as a concours car, but to the way it was when Blanco raced it. It no longer retains the original steering wheel, although an accurate replica has been fitted. The dash and instruments have been conserved, and are original to the car. The balance of the car was found to be equally solid and complete, and was restored as needed to make it as safe to drive as it ever was, and to respect its heritage as something of an Argentinean national treasure.

    It is in decidedly healthy condition today, and has done many demonstration laps on modern tracks ? never failing to both impress and amaze the driver. According to Richard Heseltine, writing for the May 2005 issue of Motorsport, 'Once primed, the Reo erupts into life with a whirlwind of uncoordinated din, finally, reluctantly, settling down to a lumpy idle. This ungodly bellow has to be heard to be believed.' The driving experience was no less visceral. On the subject of braking, Heseltine says, 'seemingly abyss?bound with every pump of the middle pedal you simply rely on the Reo's admittedly very impressive ability to traverse corners broadside to scrub off excess speed'.

    An extensive (1?2 inches thick) clipping file documents both Blanco's career and the Reo in Argentina. Dozens of newspaper accounts of his exploits ? often front page news ? make the importance of motor racing in Argentina very clear. In more modern times, the car was featured in a retrospective article in Argentina's Corsa magazine, published in August 1974, with Don Manuel Busquet de Serra reliving old memories of the car. More recently, in May 2005, Motorsport published the article about Blanco and the car mentioned above.

    Summary

    The Reo we are pleased to offer here is an automobile that without question carries a value which transcends its automotive origins. And although Ernesto Blanco is no longer with us, the tool he used to earn the undying admiration of his countrymen survives to remind us of who he was and what he accomplished.

    As a racing driver, his adversaries included some of the greatest names in racing, from Fangio to Zatuszek. His competition included the greatest racing machines ever built, from the brutally competent <KOSMIX class=tokhubbub title="Mercedes-Benz SSK" style="DISPLAY: inline; FONT-WEIGHT: bolder; FLOAT: none; COLOR: #003399; POSITION: relative" target="_blank" href="http://www.kosmix.com/topic/Mercedes-Benz SSK?as=clink2&ac=463" rel="nofollow" kmap_score="4.90196" old_onclick="null" orig_text="Mercedes-Benz&nbsp;SSK">Mercedes-Benz SSKMercedes-Benz SSK</KOSMIX> to <KOSMIX class=tokhubbub title="Alfa Romeo" style="DISPLAY: inline; FONT-WEIGHT: bolder; FLOAT: none; COLOR: #003399; POSITION: relative" target="_blank" href="http://www.kosmix.com/topic/Alfa Romeo?as=clink2&ac=463" rel="nofollow" kmap_score="0.0307187" old_onclick="null" orig_text="Alfa&nbsp;Romeo">Alfa RomeoAlfa Romeo</KOSMIX>'s legendary 8C 2900. He beat them all, winning races throughout his astonishing 35-year career.

    The Reo we present today was his weapon of choice for more than 22 years. <!-- google_ad_section_end -->Specs & Details:

    Auction Date: 31 Oct 2007
    # Bids: 41
    Sold For: $829,160
    Engine: 8
    Transmission: manual
    Exterior Color: white
    Interior Color: red
     
  19. The37Kid
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    That's a Chrysler, not sure if it is real or a clone. [​IMG]
     
  20. ehdubya
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    There's at least 3 cars lay claim to be Juan Gaudinio's Gold Seal Chrysler so not very likely it or even a clone with so many differences. Gaudino and Raúl Riganti drove it in 1932 and 33 indys retiring with clutch woes and 14th respectively and although they didn't do very well I'm surprised there aren't more pictures around. This one shows different headers...

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    and this painting of Riganti it looks very green.
     
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    Both

    Thanks for the Sub picture, .....right click save !:D





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  25. T-Head
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    A press photo of Ab Jenkins on the salt in 1939 during a preliminary run.
     

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    Whitney Straight at Shelsley ..........1933

    click the image to go to the footage

    THE FAMOUS SHELSLEY WALSH CLIMB

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    Raymond Mays in ERA R1A

    Hans Stuck in the Auto Union



    SHELSEY WALSH HILL CLIMB

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