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Fastsporty
02-15-2004, 10:40 PM
I didn't want to hyjack Nads post...
But his post got me thinking, must be that time of the month.

Why do I like working on old stuff? There is a lot of history in old stuff, If you pick up a old part, it has a weight and feel that is entirely different than of somthing new. Technology has advanvced 100 fold even in the last ten years but new parts do not have 'art' old technology has. Form follows function but with rapid advances in technology, the 'function' is there but form is lagging way behind. The computer that created a new part doesn't have a soul. Its only purpose is to produce a functional product. It has no desire to out shine its fellow computers and modify or improve artisticly the part it is making. It doesn't have to.

I was appalled a few years ago listening to a early newscast on the radio.The newscaster was broadcasting a story about how "Durable Goods" sales were on a up swing. He than said something that gave me a reality check. "Durable good are items designed to last three years." I grew up around stuff that was designed to last a life time, Hell I have some condements in the fridge that can be considered "durarable goods'. We live in a "Throw Away" society or a "ADD" society as I like to call it. Why build qaulity when we are going to throw it away when we get borded or somthing new comes along? It's reallly a vicious circle, society has sacraficed quality for cheaper prices. We want cheaper prices to afford more things, cause it makes us feel better. The movie "Fight Culb" is a great view of modern society, A view I don't think most people got or really cared.

Our country is turning into a distribution country, with our imports far exceding our exports. We are losing our manufacturing as well as the skills to go with it. My dad was a white collar worker for the phone system, but even so he had enough skills to build some nice furniture when we didn't have the money to afford to buy nice furniture. He also would change his own oil and give his cars a tune up every year. Those were basic skills everybody used to have. Now we have laws preventing people from changing there own oil. A thought that people would have fell over laughing 15 years ago. I now find myself helping neighbors with simple little tasks that I feel anybody can do, but you know in your heart most can't. I think that gene is finding itself quite dormant.
In science fiction you often find in the future after we rebuild the world after the shit hits the fan Asia is the dominating force. I used to imagine the authors intent was just because of sheer numbers of populas. I am begining to rethink that thought. If shit does ever hit the fan, which could be as severe as a nuclear war or a mild as a failed economy. We will not have the skills or the equipment to pull ourselves out into recovery. Who has those items? just pick something up within arms reach and turn it over, It will say "Made in China".

When I pick up something old, I am picking up a piece of history, something with soul and value. When I take these same Items and I am restoring them to new or better I am adding to their history and giving them new life. Maybe in my mind I it represents what I feel modern times should be.
That's why I like working on old stuff.

Greazer
02-15-2004, 10:53 PM
Right on Fastsporty! That was a well thought out post.

Most people feel as though change "happens to them" which makes them feel as though there might be a lack of control over their own lives. Traditional hotrodding pushes back against the wave of change and I think its good from a psychological standpoint if nothing else.

Hell, I'm one step away from saying "screw it" to our Single-Serving Society and going Amish. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

manyolcars
02-15-2004, 10:56 PM
I agree with you 100 percent, fastsporty. Americans are losing the abilities it takes to create and build. Not the hotrodders or Harley builders of course. You will flip over the subjects offered by Lindsay Publications. http://www.lindsaybks.com/prod/ Imagine making every part of your own lathe, possibly making some parts by digging a hole in your backyard and pouring molten aluminum into the ground which is serving as a mold. Lindsay Books are reprints from the 1894 era. Those guys were just learning. We progressed from a couple of guys making a Harley Davidson in the backyard shed and Henry Fords' early cars to giant factories, where each person did a job so simple that individuals began losing view of the overall processes. Now those giant factories are idle and vandalized by the only people living in the cities. There is a website showing pictures of Detroit. Detroit looks exactly like the bombed out cities of World War Two.

MercMan1951
02-15-2004, 11:21 PM
It amazes me sometimes, when people many years my senior ask me a question that I think they should know the answer to...and I end up having the solution to...

Simple fix it things, or things I take for granted as "common sense" are often not not so.

You're right...the seed has been planted...the "I don't care how it works, I'll pay you to fix it" seed has been planted, and is spreading like wildfire. Shame.

If we're not careful, the government will continue to make things we do ourselves harder and harder. It amazes me that places like Home Depot flouish, in an age where the city government requires a permit to get your house re-sided. (Here in Royal Oak, you need a permit to wipe your ass, or the sewer may back up causing taxpayer dollars to fix YOUR mistake.)

DrJ
02-15-2004, 11:25 PM
I like working on old stuff because I'm too ignorant, dumb and short tempered to fuck with computerized injectors and ignition.

I also like to hit dented fenders with a hammer and they get straightened eventually, instead of just tearing and when I weld on the old fenders they go back together instead of having a zinc gas balls attack me or a honeycomb composite melt and disintigrate before my eyes.

And the old parts aren't delicate in my clumsy hands, if do drop them they don't crack in two because they're cast iron and not injection molded hi-temp plastic.

But I guess old is relative.
I just got a car ('60 Elky) that I coulda been building a model custom of as a adolescent, when they were showroom new, because I started building custom model cars in '59.
Back then a ten year old car was "old" and simple and looked way different from the new "batmobile" versions that evolved in less than a decade.
Style changes seem to be slower now, while engineering changes are more rapid, too rapid to keep up with and call it "FUN" anyway, it's more like work.

I built brand new AirMobile, it had two hot motors to make it real, and hidaway wings..

(yea, that's my version of the words)

gettingreasy
02-15-2004, 11:44 PM
Great writing and thinking, not just a BS rant. Sorry to be an ass tho, Dr.J, cast iron is brittle and will break way sooner than a piece of plastic will by just droping them.
-Jesse

Machinos
02-15-2004, 11:56 PM
I like working on old stuff because it seems for the most part to be engineered by a sane person, and without complete disregard for future maintenance. There are late-model Ford minivans that require the engine to be pulled to change some of the spark plugs. The first angle grinder I ever bought was a low-end Skil thing, and when trying to get off a cutting disc I broke the chuck somehow. When I opened it up and looked at it, the reason was because the chuck was mounted in flimsy plastic! 3 cents worth of metal would have made it last much much longer.

When my grandma moved out of her old house a few years ago, I got an old rotating fan out of her basement. I think it was probably made in the late 50's. Big surprise, it worked perfectly, and still does. It's made completely of metal, though. Last year I bought a smaller desk fan at Wal-Mart since the metal one's pretty big. The fan blade went off center in under 2 months and then fried the motor when it got stuck. Big surprise, the entire thing was made of plastic.

George Orwell wrote about miles and miles of discarded cars, appliances, etc. being dumped along the freeways in 1984, because people threw them away whether they still worked or not because they just HAD to have the latest thing. How right he was http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

The_Monster
02-16-2004, 01:38 AM
you know what boys... its almost sad to think about how ignorant people are with common sense things, just because they 'dont' need to know it any more. its all done for them.

I see it like this

We are progressing at such an increasingly rapid rate... faster and faster.... I see BOOM !!!

I feel something MAJOR is coming our way really soon, at least in the next 10-20 years.

Were going to be soo weak, and limp wristed, and completely in a trance of the computers, leading us everywhere

SNAP!!! We'll all be brought back down to reality

Just a theory http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Fastsporty
02-16-2004, 05:39 PM
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George Orwell wrote about miles and miles of discarded cars, appliances, etc. being dumped along the freeways in 1984, because people threw them away whether they still worked or not because they just HAD to have the latest thing. How right he was


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That is another point that really bothers me, most of this stuff is plastic based, I try to recycle when ever possible, but plastics are a petrochemical product- oil is used to make and produce this item, oil that is driving gas prices up. Everybody bitches about gas guzzling SUV's and Hot Rods but I don't see any radical enviormental group setting fire to a rubbermaid factory. I mean I am not anti plastic, plastic has some very good uses. but there is a lot of waste in this world that is unessesary.
Also many people do not realise this but please make sure to remove caps on any plastic bottles you dispose of. The water trapped in the bottle will be permantly lost to the atmosphere if you don't. Millions of gallons of water are lost each year due to this.
FS

burndup
02-16-2004, 05:49 PM
WE NEEDA NUKE CHINA NOWWWW! that'll fix everything!


--kidding...

Rocknrod
02-16-2004, 07:46 PM
Amen...

Only problem is finding parts for em when ya need em right away... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif