New Classified Forum Discussion

[CURIOUS RASH]

Here she is kids.

A combination of a lot of input from a lot of users. We may not always have the time to respond but we always listen.

The new format will help out with alot of past issues.

1. You no longer have to include FS/WTB in the title as it is now a given.
2. We don't have to guess at the price as it is a required field.
3. There will be no flaming as replies to ads are not an option.
4. People who have limited time to check the Classifieds will be able to do so much easier because BTTT's are no longer possible.

We believe these changes will make the classifieds more effective as they will eliminate alot of wading through junk to see whatis posted.

Every ad you see since the last time you were on will be a fresh ad.

Use this post to ask questions, discuss concerns.

Remember this is a work in progress....

[hep1966]

Every ad you see since the last time you were on will be a fresh ad.


So if I see an ad and do not have time to respond or realize that I need something I saw for sale yesterday, I will not be able to go back and look at the ad?

[bluebrian]

this will take some getting used to but it sure does go by faster. Its alot easier to browse. However, is there a reason to still have the last post column listed. Isnt the seller the only person with a post. That would make them the thread starter and last poster. good work guys.

[hep1966]

I put up an ad, very easy to do. I did want to mention something that happened though. I put in "Parts" and $250 for "Price". I chose to preview my ad before posting. I then clicked submit. I got an error message and had to click back so that I could re-enter the values for "Type of item" and "Price" in order to proceed. It does not remember your selections when you preview.

[CURIOUS RASH]

Working on a few issues. Will get back to these.

[CURIOUS RASH]

this will take some getting used to but it sure does go by faster. Its alot easier to browse. However, is there a reason to still have the last post column listed. Isnt the seller the only person with a post. That would make them the thread starter and last poster. good work guys.

There is no easy way to do this without it being the same on all forums.

It could be done with some serious hacking but the result is not worth the risk.

[Little Wing]

FS and wanted,,,nice that should make things alot ezier

[Montechris]

So if I see an ad and do not have time to respond or realize that I need something I saw for sale yesterday, I will not be able to go back and look at the ad?


I was also wondering about this.

[Ryan]

Sure, you can go back and see it... we aren't deleting ads... we just aren't allowing replies or btt posts... just do a search and you will find the ad again.

[52pickup]

Can you make it so that when a potential buyer sends a PM from the ad page, the PM automatically gets the subject line from the ad? That would cut down on a lot of potential confusion.

[Built2Ride]

Already have an ad without a price! ?????

[corncobcoupe]

Yup, saw it.

PM sent and a few moments to correct for first day back.

Thanks,

Cob
Forum Moderator

[squigy]

i think its kool.i love the fact that you put up some for sale or wanted and you can keep the assholes away who cant say anything nice about anyone off the ads.
i would also like to see a direct link to PMs so it cuts down on confusion.
Good job!!!

[Ryan]

click on the username.... that will drop down a menu giving you direct access to PM them.

[CURIOUS RASH]

I put up an ad, very easy to do. I did want to mention something that happened though. I put in "Parts" and $250 for "Price". I chose to preview my ad before posting. I then clicked submit. I got an error message and had to click back so that I could re-enter the values for "Type of item" and "Price" in order to proceed. It does not remember your selections when you preview.


There are two reply buttons available when you choose to preview an ad.

Could you have hit the wrong one?

[silent rick]

every ad must have the price in the title? what about "cleaning out the garage" type sales where a guy posts 10-12 items for sale? does this mean he has to take the time and make out 12 seperate ads? and if 2 or 3 or more people have multiple items for sale, won't that push the ads off the top page faster?
seems to me that in less than a week, a guys ad can go from the top to being buried 20 pages deep. and then he has to fill out a new ad instead of bringing the old one back to the top.
i miss the old system already.

[CURIOUS RASH]

every ad must have the price in the title? what about "cleaning out the garage" type sales where a guy posts 10-12 items for sale? does this mean he has to take the time and make out 12 seperate ads? and if 2 or 3 or more people have multiple items for sale, won't that push the ads off the top page faster?
seems to me that in less than a week, a guys ad can go from the top to being buried 20 pages deep. and then he has to fill out a new ad instead of bringing the old one back to the top.
i miss the old system already.


If you have multi parts for sale and you know the prices are between 10 and 150 dollars just put $10. - $150. in the price field.

Cool?

[CURIOUS RASH]

i think its kool.i love the fact that you put up some for sale or wanted and you can keep the assholes away who cant say anything nice about anyone off the ads.
i would also like to see a direct link to PMs so it cuts down on confusion.
Good job!!!

There's a "send PM" button in the bottom of every post.

If you mean a PM thing that auto-titles, I don't know how that would work.

We can't do everything for ya!;)

[fatrhino]

looks good
just one suggestion, on each listing on the page has the item and price beneath the title like this:
Selling: Car
Price: $2500

i think having another field for Location: would make it even easier and faster to find stuff

[RodLand]

Looking great fellows! One thing I would like to see is a place to check an add read. That way I would not be looking at the same add over and over. May not be possible, just a thought.

[CURIOUS RASH]

looks good
just one suggestion, on each listing on the page has the item and price beneath the title like this:
Selling: Car
Price: $2500

i think having another field for Location: would make it even easier and faster to find stuff


Not a bad idea!

[hep1966]

There are two reply buttons available when you choose to preview an ad.

Could you have hit the wrong one?

When I post another ad I will look a little closer. It is possible that I hit the wrong button.

[theHIGHLANDER]

Looking great fellows! One thing I would like to see is a place to check an add read. That way I would not be looking at the same add over and over. May not be possible, just a thought.

Like 'rash said they can't do everything for ya. Select the option that sez "mark forum as read" and have at it. Wanna see it a different way? Just use the bottom "Forum jump and hit the "go" box and yer back on the 1st page. There's a lot of ways to do it. Good job kidz!! I think me likes it!!.

[Brad54]

Would there be a way that a seller could post the questions asked from other people, with the answers? Kind of like the way ebay does it.
We usually all have questions about an item, and a lot of the replies that used to get posted would answer some of those questions for us.

Otherwise, I like it.
-Brad

[CURIOUS RASH]

The seller can edit the original ad to include what they like. They can also reply to their own ad but we'd rather use the edit right now until we work out a couple bugs.

Once we fix a thing or two the replies may disapear.

It's a work in progress....

[mikey1610]

Any chance of catagories? eg....cars, projects, parts, bikes, tools.....? It would make find what you want real easy.

[flathead okie]

Where & How would I post a Swap Meet or Car Show ad?

[CURIOUS RASH]

Where & How would I post a Swap Meet or Car Show ad?


http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/calendar.php?

[Brad54]

Any chance of catagories? eg....cars, projects, parts, bikes, tools.....? It would make find what you want real easy.

My opinion (for what it's worth--and that ain't much) is to not have different categories, simply because a lot of times we don't know we're looking for something until we see that one's for sale! Case in point, the '62 Suburban I bought from the classifieds. I wasn't really looking for anything other than keeping it in the back of my mind that we'd be needing a new car in the family at some point in the not-to-distant future. I wasn't actively searching. When I saw the ad for the Suburban, I checked it out and ended up buying it. We've probably all done that with parts and stuff.
-Brad

[tobyjuarez]

Love it!

Thanks guys... much easier to browse

[restorit]

looks good
just one suggestion, on each listing on the page has the item and price beneath the title like this:
Selling: Car
Price: $2500

i think having another field for Location: would make it even easier and faster to find stuff

I like that idea too but it would good to have a list of states/countires that make it a required field instead of "on another planet" or "East Coast".
Tom - restorit

[UnIOnViLLEHauNT]

I agree with Brad54 about the magic of not knowing how much you wanted an item till you found it, and oddly enough I saw that Burb right after it was sold...DOH!!

New classifieds are killer, and will make life much easier. Not having the few token tire kickers with the "if you were closer" or (more likely) "if I had the money" is easier on all as well. Great work guys!

[Yo Baby]

What is the point of the reply count column if no one can reply?LOL

[Flingdingo]

Okay...So I place an ad, and after a week I can repost it. You said in the How To section - If it sells put sold in the title (makes sense.) After the week is up what happens to my ad? Does it disappear? Can it still be found if I do a search for it? Can I reuse the original post to create the new one (and save retyping/uploading pictures, etc.)?

Seems to me the housekeeping is really easy if the threads disappear on their own. If someone forgets to update their ad with a SOLD!!! and it doesn't reappear in a week, we can assume it did sell.

[Vance]

I like the new classified set-up. Maybe this will get people in the habit of checking their PMs more often.

So with the fact that we can't add to an existing thread, would it be cool to post a message on the regular board that we have received our bought and paid for parts? I like this as it gives us, the buyer, a chance to both let the seller know we got it ok and to let others know that this seller is holding up their end of the bargin, and that is increasingly important nowadays.

Vance

[CURIOUS RASH]

Okay...So I place an ad, and after a week I can repost it. You said in the How To section - If it sells put sold in the title (makes sense.) After the week is up what happens to my ad? Does it disappear? Can it still be found if I do a search for it? Can I reuse the original post to create the new one (and save retyping/uploading pictures, etc.)?

Seems to me the housekeeping is really easy if the threads disappear on their own. If someone forgets to update their ad with a SOLD!!! and it doesn't reappear in a week, we can assume it did sell.


Yo Baby,

We can't get rid of the reply column without it going away on all the boards.

Findingo,

We are still working on that portion. I'm thinking it would be nice to have them expire, disappear, after two weeks. We tried this automatically before and it ate the wrong posts:eek: so we quit that.

As soon as we figure out how to keep the posts from bumping when responded to we may try to redo this.

[porknbeaner]

Here she is kids.

A combination of a lot of input from a lot of users. We may not always have the time to respond but we always listen.

The new format will help out with alot of past issues.

1. You no longer have to include FS/WTB in the title as it is now a given.
2. We don't have to guess at the price as it is a required field.
3. There will be no flaming as replies to ads are not an option.
4. People who have limited time to check the Classifieds will be able to do so much easier because BTTT's are no longer possible.

We believe these changes will make the classifieds more effective as they will eliminate alot of wading through junk to see whatis posted.

Every ad you see since the last time you were on will be a fresh ad.

Use this post to ask questions, discuss concerns.

Remember this is a work in progress....

I dunno Rashy, this whole no flamming thing has got be stumped. I mean I'm trying to get Govet assistance by telling them I'm a flamer, and i was planning on useing the HAMB as an example. Guess I'm gonna have to find another angle.:D

Looks good to me. No wondering about nuthin' and no getting pushed to the back by a constant string of BTTTs. (for which I am also guilty.)

[Mad-Lad]

I think they are great!!...No more of the stupid "where is the rest of the car?" replies. Got to love that.

[Chili Phil]

Under the wanted part it won't change to Parts, keeps saying Car. But my subject line is clear, so I think it'll work OK.

Thanks, You guys keep making this a better HAMB.

chili

[Hot Rod To Hell]

I put up an ad, very easy to do. I did want to mention something that happened though. I put in "Parts" and $250 for "Price". I chose to preview my ad before posting. I then clicked submit. I got an error message and had to click back so that I could re-enter the values for "Type of item" and "Price" in order to proceed. It does not remember your selections when you preview.

I just had the same thing happen... When I previewed the ad, it cleared my selections for "type of item" and "price".

Maybe I hit the wrong button too?:confused: :o

If so, maybe you could make the CORRECT button stand out a little more!:D

[Dreamweaver]

I like the separate trade and for sales area, but one thing that i am missing is if someone posts :Wanted project car, it used to be nice to see what folks had out there that they MIGHT want to get rid of.

Most of the time im always looking for something just dont want to have to post once a month to clog up the forum.

[earl schieb]

I've been looking at it today, and I gotta say I like it better the old way. I'm with SilentRick. And Brad54.
It just seems too starched and sterile.
And I know my opinion wasn't asked for nor does it carry much weight<<eeek!>

[Roothawg]

I love it. Mucho better.

[Dakota]

ANy way you can Put the TYPE and Price all in one line, instead of stacking them on top of one another? SO that each add dosent take up so much space?

[Bobert]

Seems to me that if you don't get a hit on a Wanted post when it is on the first page it becomes dead and buried. Then, maybe that was always true but it was easier to bring it back up. Never have had any luck on WTB what should have been plentiful Olds engine parts. Not directly paying to post so I shouldn't gripe.

[guiseart]

looks good
just one suggestion, on each listing on the page has the item and price beneath the title like this:
Selling: Car
Price: $2500

i think having another field for Location: would make it even easier and faster to find stuff

For bossmen - I would love to see a LOCATION feild. It's not "super" important, but would make surfing for local cars/parts a lot quicker.

For users - to "find" a post you want to watch (like your "My Ebay" pages), just go to your favorites (top of your windows tool bar) and "add to favorites" when you are on the desired page... I've even created a sub-category called HAMB CLASSIFIEDS... in it are direct links back to pages I want to keep; classifieds, tech, cool cars, etc... you can always delete them from your "favorites" when you are done looking at them.

works for me, thanks for all the hard work guys - site looks and loads great!

[guiseart]

now i see a "location" feild - you guys rock!

now... will posters use it?

[wannabewannabe]

I love the new set up. It remedied some of my issues that I had posted about in a previous suggestion. It's made the classified much easier to sift through. Good job guys!

On a side note, don't know if it would be under classifieds or in the general discussion area, but how about a section specifically for events. I say classifieds, with a lot of the same rules of no extra posting and such, so that we can keep abreast of what's going on easier.

In any event, you administrators are doing an excellent job of keeping the HAMB running quickly, up-to-date, and addressing us lowly peon HAMBers concerns. Keep up the great work.

[Straightpipes]

The "location" addition is great! Save from going thru all that to see how far you have to haul the treasure.

[Baron Von Mike]

5 Lines of text per thread heading is a little over the top compared to the 2 lines of text per thread heading in the main HAMB board. It would be nicer to somehow keep it to 2 in the classifieds like it used to be.

I don't really like the lack of feed back. I enjoyed seeing the questions regarding what was for sale. This helps generate more information about what is being sold and its good to know what questions have already been asked and answered before overloading the sellers inbox with redundant questions.

I do like the two separate for sale and wanted sections.

I read the for classifieds section more than I read the main board. The classifieds section has now gotten a little more difficult in my opinion. But maybe its just hard getting used to something new.

Keep up the good work,

Mike

[wannabewannabe]

I love the new set up. It remedied some of my issues that I had posted about in a previous suggestion. It's made the classified much easier to sift through. Good job guys!

On a side note, don't know if it would be under classifieds or in the general discussion area, but how about a section specifically for events. I say classifieds, with a lot of the same rules of no extra posting and such, so that we can keep abreast of what's going on easier.

In any event, you administrators are doing an excellent job of keeping the HAMB running quickly, up-to-date, and addressing us lowly peon HAMBers concerns. Keep up the great work.

Let me amend my statements. I see that there is an "events" section as in the fav HAMB events and on the calendar, but I'd love to see a specific place where people could post smaller events and gatherings as well as the larger stuff...

[indysoccer16]

sorry I didn't have time to read through 3 pages but one thing that I think would really help clear up the ads would be to break BST into sections.
One for Vehicles for sale, and one for parts for sale. Each would be its on topic with threads in it. You could cut down on the amount of pages and make it easier to find things. I am only looking for a vehicle only not parts I can find those local

[Brandy]

Okay, I thought the new classifieds rocked........now after posting a wanted ad, I changed my mind.

I usta be able to get what I needed in a couple hours............now I'm on a couple of days and not even a lead.:(

[marq]

Okay, I thought the new classifieds rocked........now after posting a wanted ad, I changed my mind.

I usta be able to get what I needed in a couple hours............now I'm on a couple of days and not even a lead.:(
I didn't really like it in the first place and after a couple of days i still don't like it but even less now.I forget who said it but it's kinda sterile.Also if you have a wants ad people who were buying would also see at a glance those Ads(they had to)now if they are buying they prolly don't even look in the WTB ads so that cuts down your leads immediatly,where an old forgotten part lay in a garage and all that was needed was a reminder that old part was there it may well be left forgotten now.I may well be in a minority here and only time will tell and perhaps i have overlooked something.In general this site Rocks so there is no real complaint i'm just grategul to be a member..............Marq

[Slammed88]

I can't say that I like the new Classifieds as much as the old ones. I agree that they should have separate sections for Cars and Parts, both for sale and wanted.

I also wish that you could bump your ads more frequently, because once your ad is off the first page of the classifieds, barely anyone looks at it.

[slazzen]

I noticed the post count has dropped seriously I for one hate the new classifieds no bumps sucks big time

[corncobcoupe]

The post countdropping a lot is due to so many posts of non related comments vs actual interest in sales.

You would be surprized how many "Wish it were closer" and "wish I had the money" posts in the classifieds.

There were about a dozen guys who liked to read their own posts a lot.

This is just a way to keep cleaner posts and more to the point.

Now, there is no way of knowing how many adds have had PM replies.

What it sounds like is the missed things are the readable chit chats for the posts.

That's what your PM is for to chit chat with the seller or buyer and the main H.A.M.B. board also.

While we can't make everyone happy, we try to at least keep the drama down and smooth sales adds going.

Cob
Forum Moderator

[Shaggy]

Well my opinion is it kinda really sucks to not me able to see the replies i kinda like to see the reasurance of "yea i've seen it, great piece" or "yea i'm also running a Joe Mcgofast speed part works great"

[Chopped50Ford]

Im with Shaggy. I think bumping it so people can see it helps alot. Your ad could be viewed very seldom if others pile in.

Comments/posts in ads are best in my opinion. Especially if the guy is a rip-off or cheat. How do you indicate to someone if the seller is scandalous if you can post.

Its cool, but im not to fond of it. :) It seems all of the "senior" HAMB'ers share the same opinion. (just an observation)

Another thing about posting, you can see the progress of a part for someone who is buying or selling? There is alot you can learn from the posts/replys to the classified section. Especially if the part is sold, or if you found what you need.

Brandy Nailed it right here!!! :

Okay, I thought the new classifieds rocked........now after posting a wanted ad, I changed my mind.

I usta be able to get what I needed in a couple hours............now I'm on a couple of days and not even a lead.

[Ryan]

Bumping is for folks that have nothing better to do... :)

Bumping won't be back. Replies might...

[Shaggy]

i also think seperating the for sale from the selling really kinda sucks too because most people dont cruise the classifides just looking to sell a wingwind for a 52 Pontiac or some obscure nash astray most people are looking to buy not sell, i still haven't looked in the wanted yet i probably should

[Brandy]

Brandy Nailed it right here!!! :

Brandy's on day 4. Brandy's going crazy. Brandy's going to go hold her precious now.:D :D

Seriously, I don't care if anyone replies or if anyone bumps **I linked my ad in my signature line, next time I'll make it REALLY witty so ALL of the pervy guys will read it**, but the wanted section was dealt a devestating blow. No one bothers reading them on the scale they used to. :(

I'll figure it out........I've got a few aces up my sleeve.:D

[CURIOUS RASH]

Growing pains folks.

It's been less than a week. Give it time and we will work it all out.

I think it would be cool for everyone who has posted to this thread to go back and re-rad all that has been said and see what we deal with. No matter what we do, there is no way in hell we will make everyone happy.

[earl schieb]

Bumping won't be back. Replies might...
THAT would be a blessing :)

I'll be the one that asks the stupid question----y'all changed the classifieds for what reason?
Too much bandwidth used by replies(some of which were irrelevant)??
Too much policing time for the moderators?(who are volunteers, right?(THANK you guys, btw ;) )
Too many bumps by a few?
To improve it? hmmm......:confused:

I don't think PMs are the most efficient(read that fastest) way to do business---sometimes I have trouble retrieving mine(I have one right now I can't access--"website not responding" message:mad: )
There's a wanted ad up now that I *may* be able to help the guy....but I'm not gonna wanna waste a buncha time PMing when he already may have found what he wants--you know what I mean? With replys, at least we know if he's been taken care of or not.:cool:

I AIN'T bitchin', just trying to understand. Matter of fact, I don't even "expect" an explanation.
In my world, I don't fix stuff unless it's broke:eek: .
xoxoxo
mid-tenn mike

[corncobcoupe]

THAT would be a blessing :)

I'll be the one that asks the stupid question----y'all changed the classifieds for what reason?
Too much bandwidth used by replies(some of which were irrelevant)??
Too much policing time for the moderators?(who are volunteers, right?(THANK you guys, btw ;) )
Too many bumps by a few?
To improve it? hmmm......:confused:

I don't think PMs are the most efficient(read that fastest) way to do business---sometimes I have trouble retrieving mine(I have one right now I can't access--"website not responding" message:mad: )
There's a wanted ad up now that I *may* be able to help the guy....but I'm not gonna wanna waste a buncha time PMing when he already may have found what he wants--you know what I mean? With replys, at least we know if he's been taken care of or not.:cool:

I AIN'T bitchin', just trying to understand. Matter of fact, I don't even "expect" an explanation.
In my world, I don't fix stuff unless it's broke:eek: .
xoxoxo
mid-tenn mike

Answer to section 1 : All of the above
Answer to section 2: The WTB person can post "thanks guys found what I want" so he doesn't waste all of your time to PM him trying to help.

The classifieds became so saturated by A LOT of replies that just became so redundant unrelated to the thing being offered for sale.

Also - you forgot about the complaints we recieved more and more of guys posting things for sale and complaining that there add went to page 4 in 2 hours because of BTTT or by mostly "wish it were closer" "wish I had the money" replies.
So, a handful of people who were replying unreleted repetative chit-chat created a situation of change.

By the way, this did not happen over night.
Behind the seens there was a LOT of discussion on changes between Ryan and the moderators.
Is everything set in concrete forever ? No
Everything is progress in motion.

You know what - Ryan has replied that BTTT won't be back, but replies may.
Well that would be great IF guys would reply just to the specific sale item and not anything else.

I won't miss ever again "Wish it were closer" "Wish I had the money"
"Nice Car - it should sell"

Well don't post - buy it yourself if you like it that much.

All those created to some of these changes.
And the changes came from many comments related to the CHIT-CHAT that made the classifieds cluttered.


What Rashy said - There will be no way to keep everyone happy 100%.

If guys would have just kept to the original rules, these changes probably would have not taken place, but more and more were blowing off the rules/ignoring the rules/ or not reading them at all were A LOT to do with the changes.

I don't expect eveyone to understand this, but maybe if you remember back to some of the things mentioned, you might relate to some of the extra posts that ran up post counts for the sake of running up post counts, if you know what I mean.

Cob
Forum Moderator

[earl schieb]

Cob, thanks for the clarification. You answered MY question(and probably enlightened a few people)
No matter what form the HAMB classifieds morph into, it's still the best resource for the stuff I like.
I've bought /sold/gave away here with a sense of family, and you guys will have to BAN me to get me to go away!
Thanks, and I hope you didn't take any offense to my query.

[sufoowt]

The new classified section is great. Simple to use and well done. Eliminates a bunch of BS.:D
Fred

[Baron Von Mike]

Would it be possible to make pictures mandatory for certain items, like cars for sale?

Mike

[corncobcoupe]

Would it be possible to make pictures mandatory for certain items, like cars for sale?

Mike

The only challenge with that is some guys don't have digital cameras and don't know how to post them.

When I want to sell something, you can be darn sure I would have pictures as it increases the sale by a qaudrillion percent.

We encourage pictures off course.

It helps eliminate 10 guys posting "got any pics ?"

Cob
Forum Moderator

[InDaShop]

Where to start.
Pros-
1. Separate FS/WTB sections
2. Thread headings What?, $'s, Where

Cons-
1. No public replies
2. Everything pushed to the backroom (PM's)

You guys have made huge strides to streamline this baby. I applaud you all on this. It has taken some foresight, as well as some hindsight to wade through the mire to this point in time.

I still find I check both FS/WTB sections every time I visit the HAMB. So that dispels the whole myth/foreshadow that one will get more traffic than the other.

My personal observation though, volume is way down. We have seen a substantial drop in products for sale and WTB on the board. Is this just an initial reaction to the change and it will give way to renewed faith in the new way? Or will it push these deals off the HAMB and to the swap meets, real or online (ePay)?

Were the BTT's and "Wish it where closer", etc... that bad? I never even notice those, you scroll right past them, right? Which brings in padding post counts. Of course a fella could pad his posts, but in the grand scheme of this post counting thing is it really going to amount to HUGE #'s? People say post counts don't matter, etc.. I say Bullshit, that is a measurement of their ePenis. Hell, we've gotten how many threads asking "Where'd my post count go"? Don't take this as something bad. I would never buy anything from a guy in the Classified if he only had 9 posts. And I would seriously pay attention to tech info from someone with say 6,000. As for the classifieds I've had the probably an equal amount of luck one way or the other with newer vs. more established HAMB'rs

I share Earl Schiebs sentiments It just seems too starched and sterile.

My preference would be; I like the new format but add post replies back. I don't see the need for all the policing. 3 moderators? Not that I don't appreciate the presence of 3, I guess its the Republican in me that wants less government presence. If one moderator notices a trend of a certain poster BTT'ing, then just ax the guys thread. That'll teach 'em. And if someone complains about his FS going 4 pages back in one day due to 4 pages of new items, well....tough shit. But as it stands now, it takes 4 days to put an item 1 page back due to the drop in volume. And it eliminates things such as chromedRAT's shifter skull deals, HIDDEN's t-shirts (with replies turned into several Hoodies), or seeing that a seller had not been forthcoming with other fellas so I could steer clear. I can't count the number of times, I've PM'd guys to ask about how there dealings where with "X" individual, because I saw that they had purchased something from "X" individual in the past.

Two days ago I answered a WTB ad. It took 3 PM's each way just to figure out the deal wasn't going to happen. When I believe two posts would have solved all.
I all can't count how many times a parasitic deal has happened on the old HAMB. Member A puts up a WTB. Member B answers with a post of what he has and wants ($'s) for it. Member A passes for some reason or another. Member C sees the correspondence between A & B, and needs what B has and the price works, and deal gets struck.

The replies add a dynamic to the board, making it multidimensional/multilateral.


My apologize for being so long winded,
IDS

[corncobcoupe]

IDS,
A few answers to your questions.

In the beginning - a few "wish it were closer" "wish i had the money" popped up.
Then some more.
Then Some more.
And then a lot of adds had that mutiple times over and over again.

About 15 or so regulars wished on a lot of adds.
It just happened over a period of time.

The BTT increased so much from the "wish it were's" and O/T junk.

Again, If guys would have just kept closer to the original rules, changes would not have been made.

Also - Rules police.
People have lives other than the H.A.M.B.- I know hard to believe, but having the 3 moderators kind of helping each other when we have time.

The old way - I would get 5-10 emails/ daily from guys who brought up post problems, that needed taken care of.

Now - I have had 2 total.

Ryan mentioned earlier he might reconsider replies but BTT are gone.

My thoughts on replies is cautious based on histories and guys posting O/T junk for conversation sake.

This board has 1000's of people on it everyday and as a less government person myself - I say.

We will not make everyone 100% happy.
As far as posts being down - heck yea posts are down because of all the non related O/T comments that kept people busing reading through all the O/T stuff.

It costs money to run it and yet it is free for all to enjoy.

Don't worry - nothing is set in stone, so some adjustments may be made.

Cob
Forum Moderator

[CURIOUS RASH]

Let me share some numbers I have gathered.

Prior to doing this switch I came up with a list of pros and cons, The Mods discussed them and we looked at a lot of different options.

I took four days including a Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday and counted the ads. Keep in mind the number of BTTT's is actually higher than my average because some of these were BTTT'd every day and I had no good way to monitor that.


The numbers, averages.....

Cars for sale ads, 2
Parts for sale ads, 14
Misc for sale ads, 12
BTTT'd ads, 37

The new forum, from the last Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday

Cars for sale ads, 5
Parts for sale ads, 17
Misc for sale ads, 3
BTTT'd ads, 0

Why do we care about BTTT ads? Before we had at least 65 ads roll through a day. If the average user has their number of threads per page set at 15, this is 4.5 pages of ads to look through each day, assuming the average user logs on each day. Most do not.

Now let's say the average user checks the HAMB at work on their break, how many of that 4.5 pages aof ads are they going to get to sift through? Do they care who was first? Do they care about all the other crap we were weeding out on a regular basis?

The majority of ads are placed between 6 a.m and 11:30, central time. Let's say dude posts his car for sale at 6:30 in the morning and heads off to work where he doesn't have internet access. The day blows by, he has a life, he checks the ad the next morning to find it 4.5 pages down, if there was no response. That blows because that's exactly where the guy checking the HAMB with his 10 minutes a day won't find it.

And what about the ads that stack up all weekend? No way the people with limited HAMB time are going to see the one that didn't get BTTT'd a bqajillion times.

So, I started looking for ideas, I started catologing the ideas the HAMB users were sending us. I looked at some of the forums focused on Vbulletin forums. The most helpful one has eliminated BTTT's and has the same arguments from users, for an against.


It's all relative though. If NO ONE can bump their ad then everyone has the same, BETTER chance of it being seen.

But now the limited user can log in, see the ads that are in bold, and KNOW that it is an ad they haven't seen.

As you can see by the numbers, For sale ads are actually in greater supply than before, with the exception of the MISC items, but our focus here is cars and parts so we'll take it like it is.

I'll crunch some numbers on WTB ads but I can tell you the average before was 14 per day and I did not break them into categories. There are way more than 14 per day now.


The one thing that would seriously help sellers and buyers alike would be for the person posting the ad to invest a little time in it.

[Little Wing]

I have to say haing things seperated is great as I can actually find things..The WANTED section is super helpful,as it can help forego listing stuff

[InDaShop]

Fellas (CCC & Rashy)-

Thank you for taking time to pay my post some attention.

I'm hoping, and wishing, and praying Ryan does consider going back to the post reply system in the classfieds. I believe the "BTT" is like an auto traffic jam and the BTT guy is the one hualing ass down the side of traffic to cut back in line.

My thoughts are the current system has fewer products for sale or WTB these days. Well Rashy somewhat disproved that with a snapshot of statistics. But the added dynamic I'm trying to expound on is the ratio of products to deals struck. Doesn't seem like we are seeing to many "SOLDS" or "FOUNDS". Once again, I didn't run any stats, just a shot from the hip observation.

I apoligize up front for taking your replies and addressing only the parts I have an indifferent outlook on.

Also - Rules police.
People have lives other than the H.A.M.B.- I know hard to believe, but having the 3 moderators kind of helping each other when we have time.

The old way - I would get 5-10 emails/ daily from guys who brought up post problems, that needed taken care of.

Now - I have had 2 total.

CCC- You and I are seeing eye to eye on this one. If you can cut the issues to 2 total a day, that frees up the other two guys for more time in the shop/time with family/time reading over in gen discussion. I think the current structure has limited the problems you see because it has limited the free flowing system.
As a brain storm what about a system where the thread Author is held accountable for any wrong doing by a simple delete of his thread. As well as the thread Author having delete rights within his own thread. He can police his own thread. I know this is thinking way outside the box.
Or lets finish out another couple weeks on the current system. We'll all take notes. Then as Ryan has cautiously mentioned adding the Replys back to the mix, and we do a 3-4 week test run and reconvene.

I think two functions that could make this a smoother, less abrasive format is to give a few more functions to the enduser. Allow the author Thread delete rights. As well as all the posters post delete rights.

Ryan mentioned earlier he might reconsider replies but BTT are gone.

My thoughts on replies is cautious based on histories and guys posting O/T junk for conversation sake.

This I believe is the added dynamic of the board. I can open up the local newspaper classfieds and get the exact same format as the HAMB currently has. I believe the "for conversations sake" is the golden egg. I'm not sure why this is needing to be cut out. Information flow is certainly a multifaceted/multiway street and the old ads, not only allowed for the exchange of products but also one of this boards main goals the exchange of knowledge and information of a traditional hot rodding nature. There were tidbits of extremely useful insight within the classfieds, that did not warrant a New Thread over in Gen. Discussion.


As far as posts being down - heck yea posts are down because of all the non related O/T comments that kept people busing reading through all the O/T stuff.
At no time did I say anything about posts, I did say new products are down. As a consolation posts/traffic are extremely down. This is where the two of us don't see eye to eye. To me O/T is someone talking about what they did Wednesday night in the middle of a classified for a WTB '37 LaSalle toploader. Not additional info on how you can convert a side shift lasalle to topshift with a hurst shifter.

It costs money to run it and yet it is free for all to enjoy.
Ryan has been adament about how he doesn't need the donations or the HAMB Auctions, etc. to make this board run. You know and I know this stuff ain't free. I think its Ryans way of inviting us all to dinner and telling us "No, you don't need to bring anything", but you'd be extremely rude if you didn't say bring a bottle of wine for dinner. Know what I'm saying? I am 100% sure I have given more than a fair share, but I'm not argueing that. The HAMB makes me want to give back. The more we give back the more we can grow and expand on the solid base that you guys have worked to build. I've seen a lot of other boards fund themselves differently. But my personal favorite is a Free Board, but you can purchase an annual membership to post pictures. Say if only 20% of our 12,000 members bought $20 annual memberships thats $48K a year. And we police the photo linkers and push them to the BTT hell?


Don't worry - nothing is set in stone, so some adjustments may be made.

Cob
Forum Moderator
And see thats why I love this place.

Let me share some numbers I have gathered.
Rashy thank you for taking the time and crunching the #'s. I do the #'s everyday for my job. So yeah I'm a #'s guy. The thing though you learn about the #'s is they are black and white, or in the Black and in the Red. They can hardly account for grey areas.

I admit I do not have a solution for the "My thread went back 4.5 pages in one day". I personally do not see that as a problem, or if I admit it is, then its a good problem to have.

The one thing that would seriously help sellers and buyers alike would be for the person posting the ad to invest a little time in it.
AMEN!!!!

Fellas, as you can see I've taken a fair share of time to voice an opinion. Its just that its an opinion. I hope my long winded ranting isn't blackballing myself. You guys have done a great job, and I appreciate your requests for constructive criticism of any changes that you guys have made as well as have considered making.

Please add the dynamic back to the classfieds,
IDS

[slazzen]

Its really sad the new system sucks but will be justified and stay the same.. I like it in alot of ways but its not as efective and thats whats important in sales I am glad it works for the moderators ect ect but the bottom line is If no one is pming and they use too its not working

[corncobcoupe]

Its really sad the new system sucks but will be justified and stay the same.. I like it in alot of ways but its not as efective and thats whats important in sales I am glad it works for the moderators ect ect but the bottom line is If no one is pming and they use too its not working

Well Slazzen look at this way, the"send reply" button and the "Send PM" are two buttons way from each other.

I ask the question to fellow H.A.M.B.'rs in the past who posted replies to Slazzen's, what is stopping you from PM'ing Slazzen on his adds now ?

You click a button and type a reply to Slazzen.
If your reply is to Slazzen, why would it make a difference if no one else reads it.

Is it you guys like reading your posts no matter who you reply to ?

Really Slazzen, I am trying to see on this one for you.

Cob
Forum Moderator

[CURIOUS RASH]

Dang Slaz,

First of all, some people think it sucks, some people love it.

Same as we had before.

And no one is trying to "justify" anything here. Just sharing what brought us to this point while trying to keep it all sugar coated moderatory so we don't piss people off in the process.

Did the classifieds work before? Sure did.

Were they a lot of work? Sure as hell were.

But it's a hot rod thing man, just like our cars, we always want it to be better, faster, cooler.

No one said things won't change, in fact, the BOSS himself said that replies will probably be back but BTTT won't.

And the honest truth is that a few things are not at all what we wanted but there are limitations to these things and we are hacking our way through fixing a couple issues. The Classifieds, hell, the HAMB didn't get what it was overnight and changes are painful, slow sometimes.

It's been a little over a week, we won't be knee jerking back and forth or we will never know what works.


As far as peoples comments, we are always interested, when they are put forth in a constructive manner.

[**MCQUEEN**]

Edit.

[Brandy]

***sigh*** Day 6 and still no luck.:( I miss the old 2 hours and it's on it's way days.:D

[corncobcoupe]

Well the way the old way was if a guy placed a new add and a bunch of guys that had several items for sale in another older add sold most, but still had one or two and kept bring the "old picked over crap" BTTT then the guy with the new add could go to page 4 in a couple hours.

Only a hand full of people saw the new add, but because all the BTTT came up, his new add on page 4 got shit canned overlooked to the back row and guys don't go to page 4 to look up "old picked over crap" like you said,
even though his add was less than 6 hours old.

That was a complaint over and over.

Can't help you if you don't want to look back at adds to see if you missed something.
That's your choice and I'm sure you overlooked a deal or lost one because you didn't.
Your choice.

As far as I'm concerned, the seller of a part that does not post "Sold" right after a deal is done is jerking other H.A.M.B.'rs around by not posting Sold.
Cripes - are people that lazy they can't post "Sold" ?

As far as where you are in line for PM's. Like you said..you never knew when it was the other way also, so it's really about the integrity of the H.A.M.B.'r selling it then.
That won't change.

Cob
Forum Moderator

[slazzen]

might as well lock or delete this thread these moderators dont want to hear us!! they never admit somethings wrong

[**MCQUEEN**]

Edit.

[corncobcoupe]

Thanks for your thoughts.

There will no longer be anything that I will say to make everyone on this subject 100% happy so there - fore, I will no longer comment regardless of what the comment is.

My mistake boys- sorry.

I'll just sit back -watch and read.


Cob
Forum Moderator

[CURIOUS RASH]

Well I wasn't going to respond to this because, quite frankly, the two of you are beating a dead horse.

Obviously we want to hear what you have to say or I never would have started this thread in the first place.

I have admitted plenty is wrong with it and have said that we are working on it.

And as far as whatever else is chapping your asses, we are just trying to explain things from this side of the fence.

In an adult manner.

I won't close this thread because I'm hoping we can get some CONSTRUCTIVE discussion going again.

Trust me, I have, "fuck the classifieds now, they suck" on my list.

I can tell you right now the two of you will never be happy with what we do and at this point, that's just fine with me.

[Ryan]

I'm a bit surprised at some of the responses. I think we've mentioned a number of times that the classifieds are a work in progress... Things will change here and there during the next couple of weeks based on feedback we get and stats we read... The folks insinuating that we aren't listening simply haven't been paying attention... We built this joint by listening and taking feedback seriously.

Something to keep in mind... The HAMB classifieds are free. That means you get over 1 million page views (by over 350,000 different people) per WEEK for NOTHING out of your pocket. The HAMB is the only place in the world where that can happen with such a targeted group. In order to do this for free, I have guys like Rashy, Rock, and Cob that donate their time in an effort to make this place run more smoothly... They do an excellent job.

And lets not forget the original intent of the classified system. It's not here to make you money... It's here to give you an opportunity to give fellow members a break on parts knowing your parts are going to someone of like mind. We aren't eBay.

Now, I completely understand that we can't make everyone 100% happy 100% of the time. If you fall in the group that we just can't please, then by all means - don't use our classifieds system.

[REJ]

I consider myself fairly new here, although I have been here for two years.
I have used the classifieds, never sold anything that I had listed and have bought several things off of here.
I like the new system as I do not have to go several pages back to see what was listed and I missed. I would like to see the replies put back in and leave the bttt out for sure.
I am fixing to list a car on here for sale and then I will let you know how it goes.
I do appreciate what the moderators and Ryan do with the HAMB and this is the classifieds included.

[Killer]

my .02...

like the setup, don't like the NO REPLIES.

I'm also a little confused on the NO BTTT??? Why does it matter so much? It was prolly sexplained up there a bunch of times but I kinda skimmed it....

My machine shows the threads I haven't read in BOLD.... I could skim the classifieds in a couple minutes every mornin. sometimes 10+ pages!

If people were better in their titles, that would've help the classifieds a bunch... and you took care of that. LOCATION... nice option that was definately needed...

I'm still crying in my coffee cause my post count went down... +1 for me fuckers.

:D

[slazzen]

I'm a bit surprised at some of the responses. I think we've mentioned a number of times that the classifieds are a work in progress... Things will change here and there during the next couple of weeks based on feedback we get and stats we read... The folks insinuating that we aren't listening simply haven't been paying attention... We built this joint by listening and taking feedback seriously.

Something to keep in mind... The HAMB classifieds are free. That means you get over 1 million page views (by over 350,000 different people) per WEEK for NOTHING out of your pocket. The HAMB is the only place in the world where that can happen with such a targeted group. In order to do this for free, I have guys like Rashy, Rock, and Cob that donate their time in an effort to make this place run more smoothly... They do an excellent job.

And lets not forget the original intent of the classified system. It's not here to make you money... It's here to give you an opportunity to give fellow members a break on parts knowing your parts are going to someone of like mind. We aren't eBay.

Now, I completely understand that we can't make everyone 100% happy 100% of the time. If you fall in the group that we just can't please, then by all means - don't use our classifieds system.

There is a old saying if you dont want my opinion dont ask !!!
I am in no way insinuating anything and feel you guys do a good job. I also feel like this is a my way or the highway attitude most of the time. And that the realization that its subscribers built this place is overlooked. I could care less about making money on the HAMB I have great hussle and can make money anywhere I want. My point is if you want to provide a service for free or charge ??? It dosnt matter you should want its subscribers to get results....If the results are lacking it is inefective..The old classifieds where unique the comments where a tool that helped you sell your items it also gave a public question asking result for everyone to see.. the btt showed if a seller was motivated and if a hard working persistant seller worked his item it would sell.. The forsale wanted section just makes you look in 2 spots.. My second point is if you rebut everything that is discussed it sounds like your not listening..thats my experiance ..... the zen master

[slazzen]

More thought after my post is that: Sure you can always place a magazine ad and build up the subscribers when they leave.. but the content is comprimized look at last weeks tech week??? no mike bishop no wizzerick what happened to samiam lukejivetalker ect ect the content 2 yrs ago was top knotch on here... those guys went elsewhere

[**MCQUEEN**]

Edit.

ps: for the record, I don't dislike the setup.....it's just the "no replies" thing. Matter of fact it needed to have where the part was from so you could skip on if it was too far instead of pm'ing to ask where they were. Knowing now they aren't done, I'm sure they'll come out good in the end.

[Kevin Lee]

slazzen - So did you actually look at last week's tech or were you just interested in which preppie, jock, or stoner posted it?

I'm just dumbfounded that you could say some of the things you do? It's fucking amazing really. Why don't you go back through some of Ryan's posts and tell me how many times he has recognised the fact that the HAMB was built by readers.

"Place a magazine ad and build up subscribers"? Haha, you have no idea man... you couldn't be more 180 if you tried.

[Mootz]

I don't like it. Seems to "busy" when scanning down through. I used to enjoy going through the classifieds, now I don't. I always have this feeling that the seller will forget to put "sold" in the title. You never know where you stand. Just seems annoying to use. Kind of like we're not allowed to speak in class. But, I'm just little 'ol me. Sounds like others like it.

Mootz

[FLAT-TOP BOB]

i do not like the new style class. ads either!

but with that said, i have perfect faith with the higher ups and their decisions. it's a work in progress and i'll take it anyway it comes!

and most of all remember

----IT'S FREE and the moderators work for nothing too----

[Ryan]

Fellas... I read every single bit of feedback I get... This thread wouldn't be here if I didn't. I value and appreciate all of it, but you gotta understand that eventually I have to make a decision and sometimes that decision isn't liked by 100% of the people in the world.

Again, the classifieds are a work in progress. We decided to release it in its current state rather than not having classifieds at all for a month or so... There will be major changes for sure... And this feedback will effect the changes...

As for current big board content and tech... You aren't reading if you think we are down on content... It has never been better... Remember, you get what ya give... that's how it works...

[slazzen]

slazzen - So did you actually look at last week's tech or were you just interested in which preppie, jock, or stoner posted it?

I'm just dumbfounded that you could say some of the things you do? It's fucking amazing really. Why don't you go back through some of Ryan's posts and tell me how many times he has recognised the fact that the HAMB was built by readers.

"Place a magazine ad and build up subscribers"? Haha, you have no idea man... you couldn't be more 180 if you tried.

Grimlock yes i read the tech week posts... and have seen Ryans post in the past about subscribers.. I have also seen this place change alot since the ads in GARAGE MAGAZINE appeared and was invited to the invite only board and its awsome..REALY AWSOME.... But I have also remained loyal.. and try as it is hard to keep my ego in check.. I am one who talks what I see and sometimes I see asshole....it could be that my head is up my ass.. it is sometimes as I am sure you have had yours up your ass also..
I am not a ass kisser thats for sure... And this is a forum there are gonna be attitudes and opions not shared and some will be deleted or the thread closed ect ect ...
And there are opertunitys for ads in old school rods and a host of the many other publications that seem to pop up every month. And some will come and some will go. As do subscibers.... The points have all been made the classifieds look much better.. the features are cool like the location... the no comments bites.. the btt not useable bites... 2 forums ??? i dont even look in the wanted section ??? so i would say bites I would say a forsale wanted button on one forum would be a better solution.. But of course I have only made a living for 30 yrs buying and selling and advertising so what do i know

[Ryan]

slazzen, you make a living advertising so you prolly understand the effects of multiple exposure. We have heard your feedback. Thanks.

[hotrodladycrusr]

and was invited to the invite only board and its awsome..REALY AWSOME....

Interesting
Lots of rumors about said board, I guess those rumors are true.

[Ryan]

There is no invite only board on the HAMB. There are other invite only boards out there, but I have nothing to do with them.

There is an SPS forum on the HAMB used for moderation.

...........

Geesh, you guys are killing me today...

[Killer]

+2 for me motherfuckers!!!!

hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[blown49]

I do have a question that I have to ask about the bold text. If I log on the site at 8:30am est and only look at the forum; read through the bold posts since I read it last and then exit the HAMB and go somewhere else @ 8:45; Fordbarn, MSN whatever and get to work. Now at 12:30 pm I log back on the HAMB and go to the classifieds. Are the classifieds still bold since I last looked at them (example yesterday) or are they only bold since I logged out @ 8:45? Seems to me the BOLD text leaves all the forums when I log out and only new ones turn bold when I return. Am I making sense here?

I'm editing this post as after I posted it I went to the classifieds section of WTB and guess what nothing is bold and I haven't looked at in a week! Seems like the bold needs to stay on a forum I haven't visited since the last time instead of turning unbold when I visit one of the other forums only.

[CURIOUS RASH]

I do have a question that I have to ask about the bold text. If I log on the site at 8:30am est and only look at the forum; read through the bold posts since I read it last and then exit the HAMB and go somewhere else @ 8:45; Fordbarn, MSN whatever and get to work. Now at 12:30 pm I log back on the HAMB and go to the classifieds. Are the classifieds still bold since I last looked at them (example yesterday) or are they only bold since I logged out @ 8:45? Seems to me the BOLD text leaves all the forums when I log out and only new ones turn bold when I return. Am I making sense here?

I'm editing this post as after I posted it I went to the classifieds section of WTB and guess what nothing is bold and I haven't looked at in a week! Seems like the bold needs to stay on a forum I haven't visited since the last time instead of turning unbold when I visit one of the other forums only.



You are right. It will only bold anything you haven't viewed since you last logged into the HAMB, regardless of the forum you visited.

That is a good point, and now it's number 237.5 on the "to do/ can we do" list.

[Mootz]

Rashy beat me to it. I may have sounded harsh earlier, I'll get used to it and it will be no big deal down the road. Keep up the good work with everything.

Mootz

[monsterflake]

here's some positive feedback... i like the new version, it's much faster to go through, which makes me wonder why someone hasn't already offered up the block i (so desparately) need :D

[Brandy]

here's some positive feedback... i like the new version, it's much faster to go through, which makes me wonder why someone hasn't already offered up the block i (so desparately) need :D

That's because it's under the same pile of shit as the head I need more then my left eye.:D

[PDX Lefty]

First I would like to thank Ryan and all the moderators for making the HAMB the place that it is.
Second I would like to thank all that contribute to the HAMB and keep it a storehouse of knowledge and humor.

Now I would like to throw my comments in there about the new classifieds.
I like them and eagerly wait to see the outcome all the ideas are to be implemented.

I only found the replies useful to me once. Some one was selling the same item on another board for a lower price. A HAMBer called them on it. Their lame reply was that the HAMBers had more money to spend thus the higher price. I would never buy anything from this person because of that. But others still buy items from that person as they are still here selling. So what good did being able to reply do?

I sure don't miss dibs! Nor do I miss "Sent you a PM". Does that mean it was sold?

I have bought more than I have sold here. But I have sold a few items. And more than once I have had the reply of "I'll take it" and then never see the money or even get excuses. Or that is all I get is excuses for several PM's then nothing.

Yes it would be nice if sellers marked items as sold. But hey they didn't do it before, what makes it different now? Is it that hard to send a PM to see if it is still available? If it is such a problem maybe we need a button that sends an auto PM asking that.

What is so hard about looking at the wanted section? I have nothing to sell at this time, but I look just to see what folks are looking for.

Overall I find the new classifieds to be much easier to use. I just don't understand all the drama over it.

[seadog]

My apologies to the board if this has been discussed before, and yes I did noodle around a bit on this thread to try and see if what I'm about to mention had been brought up before...didn't see anything, so here goes.

Would it be possible to have a feature that would list, or give the user the option, to sort the classified Locations by state, or at least region? This would save lots of time for those who have no way to get stuff across the country no matter how desirable, cheap or necessary it may be. With work schedules and a limited budget it is pointless for me to consider anything beyond a days drive from home. THANKS.

[blown49]

You are right. It will only bold anything you haven't viewed since you last logged into the HAMB, regardless of the forum you visited.

That is a good point, and now it's number 237.5 on the "to do/ can we do" list.

Thanks Rashy; I know you got a platefull. I just thought it might be contributing to the problem with posts going back 4 pages but the way is now if you don't look each time you might miss something.

[wideglide74]

I feel the new classifieds are a big step backwards, after all this is a message board and replies to ad's are the life, personality and distinction of the board, otherwise it's just another mundane craigslist style site. The life (ability to communicate, comment or question)) has been slowly squeezed out and is now gone, another example of something being governed to death. What was wrong with the OLD classifieds? The days before you'd get beat over the head for not putting a f/s or wanted prefix? Then the moderators even started taking the liberty of changing ads if year/model info was incorrect, now finally after all of this evolution we have nothing but a sad, boring and lifeless shell of the former classified "forum"
Each member contributes something to the hot rod community, some are great chassis builders, others custom body gurus, I happen to LOVE digging around in sheds, junk piles, swap meets etc for the parts that have contributed to many cars on this board being completed and the hamb classifieds have given me a vehicle to meet many, many great people, buy and sell alot of great old car parts and donate just as many... Please bring back the old classifieds and cut down on the rules...

[Ryan]

What was wrong with the OLD classifieds?

Read this thread and you will be enlightened...

[corncobcoupe]

I feel the new classifieds are a big step backwards, after all this is a message board and replies to ad's are the life, personality and distinction of the board, otherwise it's just another mundane craigslist style site. The life (ability to communicate, comment or question)) has been slowly squeezed out and is now gone, another example of something being governed to death. What was wrong with the OLD classifieds? The days before you'd get beat over the head for not putting a f/s or wanted prefix? Then the moderators even started taking the liberty of changing ads if year/model info was incorrect, now finally after all of this evolution we have nothing but a sad, boring and lifeless shell of the former classified "forum"
Each member contributes something to the hot rod community, some are great chassis builders, others custom body gurus, I happen to LOVE digging around in sheds, junk piles, swap meets etc for the parts that have contributed to many cars on this board being completed and the hamb classifieds have given me a vehicle to meet many, many great people, buy and sell alot of great old car parts and donate just as many... Please bring back the old classifieds and cut down on the rules...

The Old- OLD classifieds, a new guy would come on here with some stuff to sell and guys would give the guy shit over this or that, your price is too high, and would flat out slam the new guy and the guy wouldn't come back.
Thats a fact.
Some guys on here were complete dick's with a pack dog mentality.
Yea - you had to have thick skin, but some just were flat out stupid dicks.

Then the flaming rule came up and over time cut down on it and all the drama that went with it. And I mean drama. Stupid crap.

Then, tried to get some structure to the "for sale" and "want to buy" classifieds and 80% of the guys made the adds readable.
The other 20% couldn't read.

Then, guys would try ways to get around the rules and bamm - moderators would get emails that joe blow is doing it, so I will too.

Then the drama of guys not honoring deals or not shipping crap.
Ryan wanted to post who was scamming who after the moderators spent a lot of time trying to get the parties together to try to work it out.
WHY you say ? because we H.A.M.B.'rs wanted to believe we H.A.M.B.'rs wouldn't scam each other.

The minority can really screw it up for everybody for sure.

Then about 15-20 guys (on a regular basis) on a lot of adds posted replies that created a situation that rolled adds very quickly to the next page/etc.etc.
Replies often were "wish it were closer" "wish I had the money" over and over again which in turn made sellers BTTT their adds.
Then the comments of I posted my add this morning and now I'm on page 4 already.

WHY ???? Because of all of the comments actually unrelated to the buying or selling of parts.

SO, if guys had respected the rules in place ORIGIANLLY, we would probably not be where we are at now.

YOU GUYS HAVE NO IDEA - all of the conversations that take place between Ryan, Rashy,Rocky, Kevin and myself on things that are trying to be done technically that creates the perfect world.

Please understand this if you are still reading this.
BTTT is what is trying to be reduced, and your add being stuck so people can read it and yet if there is reply guess what ?
It goes back to the top.

So believe me when I say this, Ryan is looking at some technical stuff and we moderators are trying every which way with this senario and that senario.

Guys is that so hard to understand ?

Patience for all H.A.M.B.'rs has been a challenge for something that we all are trying to have fun at.

Do you think Ryan or all the moderators want to piss people off ?

Nothing could be further from the truth.

But remember this, this forum is a privledge and not a right.
It has been for all to enjoy.
Ryan and the moderators are working behind the scenes to find some technical things to make it all work so hopefully most everyone is happy.

If you are unhappy we have heard it - but I will not gaurantee all changes are going to be made to everyones satisfaction.
Please be gratefull this forum is here and respect those who are working their asses off to work on trying new things and including changing some things as we go.

Fair enough ?

Cob
Forum Moderator

[HOTRODPRIMER]

Ya want positive,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I kinda like it!,,,,,,,,,,,,,,:D

I got sick of seeing the same guys ,,,post after post saying "that's a great deal,,,if only it wasn't so far away!" or " man,if you had posted this last week".:rolleyes:

The bttt was getting a bit old,,,,,,,and I'll be the first to admit I did it too!

I did like to see the offers of trades,,,or parts swaps,,,or even seeing interest in a given car or part,,,,,I already pine For the ol' classifieds,,,even with all their faults,,,,but,,,Ryan,,,ya never have let us down,,,and in the short time i've been a member the HAMB has grown and is better than ever!:D HRP

[Chopped50Ford]

Dang Slaz,

First of all, some people think it sucks, some people love it.

Same as we had before.




It seems as if the old members like the old way and the new ones prefer the new way.

This would be pretty typical and forseen regardless.

I know the HAMB is free to all to use to sling thier parts are pick up a few here and there. But I also know, from our sense of appreciation, we auction alot of cool stuff here to help the burden of the financial portion to keep this board up and running. Alot of stuff....like the chop top work...Holy cow...look what that brought in...I dont think I have seen any other place that has come close to a "giving" like that. :)

Im from the old, and I have posted before that I liked the old forums better. Sure I had to scroll down the pages to look for things but it was typical the good stuff was up front and the "not so wanted" stuff was pushed back. If BTTT were used, I would take it as an agressive means to move thier items...sure thier could have been some abuse, but hey..."abuse" is pretty much an everyday affair and we just live with it. I admit, I BTTT a few times, but not on abusive means.

As for the "I wish I were closer" comments...what's wrong with them? Really...a good deal is a good deal. I have always taken those comments in that manner. I bet if you check the past forums, that most of the crap that had that statement in it....was for a "Smokin'" deal...and revealed as such. I have BTTT some ad's I saw because they deserved the exposure or they were an aquaintance (sp)/ Friend of mine. With that said, Im surprised we dont come back in the normal forums when someone asks another question on dropping an axle or juice brakes..."Dont you know how to use the search function? That subject has been beaten with a stick over and over - use it"...and I have seen boards with that mentality...and its a turn-off and makes you want to go tell them to go "F" Themselves.

The classifieds are a bit weird now since you have the 2 forums to look through. Most people will check out the For Sale section, as for the wanted part...Im sure if you crunch the numbers...the number of people looking to help out the next guy are lower than the guy buying/looking for a part. With the 2 in the same forum, at least you get the same exposure regardless.

I had a buddy who had a small "private" shop. It was cool and a fun place to work and just be at. The day after he "Incorporated" it.....went to "piss in a pot" and was never the same. It helped at the beginning and things started to happen, but in a whole, it just sucked. Sometimes the simple "Garage" mentality is better. Needless to say...he's not around. My point is...Change is good, and it has its ups and downs. its hard for us to manage that..but Im sure we will persevere.

Ryan...As I have always said, thanks for the board, its an awesome place...Keep up the good work...Thanks for listening to our words. :)

Im with you Killer....+1 on the posts of what was over 3500. Now Im at 1832...that blows

[Chopped50Ford]

I really like the first post in this thread....Very well said....

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98294

"-Sure can tell that it took alot of work to clean up the classifieds..but..
it's now got the feel of shopping in speedway motors instead of you're buddies garage. I love this place because of the grease. I like to look under the bench and into the rafters. I might have something you want that I haven't thought about in twenty years sitting under a pile of parts but I'm interested in getting my build done so I'm hanging out on the "4-sale" department, I don't go into the "wanted" much so I don't know you need that part that I have and would sell to you to help you out if I knew you needed it. If I am able to see what you need while I'm looking for my own stuff it's easier to help each other out.
I appreciate your efforts to try to improve the system but with the 4-sale/wanted seperated I think the original purpose of the board is much less effective."

[corncobcoupe]

Gentleman,
Appreciate your comments.
Ryan and the moderators are well aware of all that has been said both pro and con.

That said - Hang tight/stay tuned etc. etc.

Some refinements /corrections / scuff and polishing is forseen which we hope will keep the masses happy.

We will never make everyone 100% happy, but like we said before nothing is ever set in stone around here.

Everybody just kind of hang tight for a bit.

Cool ?

trust me.

Cob
Forum Moderator

[CURIOUS RASH]

Maybe they find it hard to trust guys named RASHY, Rocky and Corncob?


:)

[Brandy]

Maybe they find it hard to trust guys named RASHY, Rocky and Corncob?


:)

Yeah, it does all sound so BrokeBack............so if ya buy the 3 pak does it come with lubricant?

:D :p :D :p :D

[CURIOUS RASH]

Hell no, we're manly men.


A little GL-90 will set the mood JUUUUUUUUUST right and is always readily available right under the ASS end of anything I own.

[CURIOUS RASH]

Did I just type that out loud?

[corncobcoupe]

Yeah, it does all sound so BrokeBack............so if ya buy the 3 pak does it come with lubricant?

:D :p :D :p :D


Brandy,

It all depends if you want your gears to purr like a kitten or grind like a lion ?

Depends on the mood, ya know what I mean !

Cob
Forum Moderator

[SnoDawg]

I thought you guys used Marvel Mystery oil...

Dawg

[Brandy]

I thought you guys used Marvel Mystery oil...

Dawg

Well if they do, it's no MYSTERY as to where they put it.:D

Hey Rashy, I've got a LOVELY red suede cowboy hat.;) :D

Here kitty kitty kitty!