Hamber on "RIDES"? [Archive]

the-rodster

02-09-2004, 11:25 PM

Love it or hate it, the next "RIDES" episode looks more like what will appeal to this crowd - cuttin' the crap out of a 56 chevy pickup.

My question is, does anybody know this guy?

The shop is in SOCAL and the guys name is Justin Scott Patefield.

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He and his young team of hip builders are complete and entertaining throwbacks to the "old school" ways of building cars. There isn't much in the way of computer-aided drawing, modern-day technical preplanning or years of model building before they begin a car — they simply drag a rusty heap into their 20,000-square-foot garage and rip into the thing.
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Unkl Ian

02-09-2004, 11:39 PM

I wounder what 20,000 square feet costs in SoCal?

Django

02-10-2004, 12:10 AM

Less and less the further east you go I'd think. Like Pomona or further maybe?

DrJ

02-10-2004, 01:44 AM

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I wounder what 20,000 square feet costs in SoCal?

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Depending on location, anywhere from 35¢ to $15 (and up) a square foot.
Or probably around $10,000 a month if it's not in a retail store area, then it's going to be closer to the higher figure

Machinos

02-10-2004, 02:08 AM

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I wounder what 20,000 square feet costs in SoCal?

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Depending on location, anywhere from 35¢ to $15 (and up) a square foot.
Or probably around $10,000 a month if it's not in a retail store area, then it's going to be closer to the higher figure

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Christ! How do they stay in business? Seems like they'd have to crank out a car every week or something.

36couper

02-10-2004, 08:59 AM

Isn't he "Scott's Hot Rods"? Big guy with a high voice?

beatnik

02-10-2004, 11:37 AM

Yea, I saw the preview. It is Scott's Hot Rods.

I'm still going to watch it, cause it's car related, but the finished product is not really HAMB material.

http://www.scottshotrods.com/images/RidesImages/56.jpg

Kevin Lee

02-10-2004, 11:55 AM

After seeing someone's sectioned truck on here a year or two ago I can't look at that body style without wanting the character line from the cab to rear fender to line up.

Django

02-10-2004, 12:00 PM

That's ugly!

raven

02-10-2004, 12:09 PM

I hate those headlights on anything!
r

ShortBus

02-10-2004, 02:13 PM

"There isn't much in the way of computer-aided drawing, modern-day technical preplanning or years of model building before they begin a car..." They just start fucking shit up with no forethought or game plan.

Those are the HACKS that did such a shitty job installing bags on my heap. Their "suspension expert" was the brake and alignment HACK they stole from the local Firestone retailer.

HACKS that over-welded on my rear axle housing which tweaked the ends 1/4-inch out of true, causing it to spit the right axle twice before I figured out the problem and had it straightened. Lost a tire each time when the whitewall grinding itself to dust on the inside of the quarter was the only braking action available once it let go.

HACKS that built bar-mount brackets that ripped out of the x-member leaving a tear big enough to stick your hand into.

HACKS that installed the rear bags BEHIND the axle for the minimum-possible amount of lift.

Not to mention SHITTY four-bar geometry..

HACKS HACKS FUCKING HACKS

Of course they wouldn't let me write about THAT part of the install in R&C.. I did mention the bracket that ripped out of the frame in an R&C update and they (HACKS) threatened to sue the magazine because I printed the truth..

I'd have been better off with the leaf springs, air shocks and spring wrap-up on acceleration that I started with. Instead, my car rode the ramp truck 4 times before I worked out all of their shitty 'fabrication'.

Did I mention that they're HACKS?

I did get a free t-shirt though, I used it to mop up an oil spill in the driveway.

Oh, and I coiled a bowl-winder this morning with ten times the style of that ruined Chevy truck. They should have restored it, at least it would have had another chance at being cool in the future.

D Picasso

02-10-2004, 02:32 PM

jeez Louise- they're the clowns that messed up your Olds? wow. I remember reading that....

thanks for the background. dang.

nicanor

02-10-2004, 02:51 PM

I've heard from at least 3 people that they've ordered parts from them only to take way too long (months and months over due) to get anything and when they do the get crappy made parts. Wanting a refund from taking so long (before parts araive) and refusing the request, sending the crappily made parts back to be corrected only to come back as crap again, etc...

MrGasser

02-10-2004, 03:17 PM

So, these guy's are not, "Scott's Hotrods-n-Customs", that build all the billet IFS setups?...how about that bare-steel '40 pickup with the leopard print painted firewall,...was that from Scott's Hot Rods?

NoSurf

02-10-2004, 03:33 PM

"Oh, and I coiled a bowl-winder this morning with ten times the style of that ruined Chevy truck. "

Oh man- that is rich. LMFAO!

SamIyam

02-10-2004, 03:38 PM

Tell us how you really feel. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Sam.

Steve

02-10-2004, 03:38 PM

those are the fucks that did your airbags Rick?? Oh geez maybe we can see some shitty welding on TV tonight.

hatch

02-10-2004, 03:43 PM

We are living in the world of "Image"...not "Talent"...too fuckin bad the real talented people wil never be seen unless they have "The Scene" all figured out...whether it is music or cars or whatever else will sell advertising....You can buy that image if you want....I think it's a waste.

Ryan

02-10-2004, 03:44 PM

Anyone have an email addy for these jokers? I REALLY want to start a dialog with them... Or atleast give them a chance to defend themselves...

beatnik

02-10-2004, 04:09 PM

Randy, these are the IFS guys.

I saw a show on them once on Speedvision they talked a good story, and a friend has one of there front ends on his Stude. It looks nice, definately a hi-tech look, but I haven't talked to him since right after he installed it so I don't know how well it's doing. I do remember when he was done he didn't/couldn't use drop spindles because the car was low enough without them.

Scott's Hotrods 'N Customs (http://www.scottshotrods.com/index.asp)

Ryan, this is their email address from the website
scotts@scottshotrods.com

Fraz

02-10-2004, 04:14 PM

Was wondering WTF was up with their wierd setup, especially the mount hanging below the frame. I cringed bad when I saw what was left of the ShortOlds after thing ripped itself apart.

Did they fix it for free? If not, they definately need to get some bad press.

hotrodladycrusr

02-10-2004, 04:45 PM

It's hard for me to believe these HACK jokers are going to get positive, national recognition tonite when there are SO MANY really deserving shops out there. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Sorry to hear about what happened Rick. I'll help spread the word of the HACK shop!

Kilroy

02-10-2004, 04:47 PM

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Did they fix it for free? If not, they definately need to get some bad press.

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Well they're getting it now aren't they? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

That's what I love about the HAMB... That it's remained honerable after all it's been though, and still is able to hold the light of truth in the face of liars or HACKS.

av8

02-10-2004, 05:26 PM

Time and channel, please. I gotta watch these clowns.

ShortBus

02-10-2004, 05:54 PM

Yeah they "fixed" it, and caused more damage. I wouldn't let them touch it again after that.

edit:

Man, I just reread my original post.. I come off pretty harsh, huh? I really don't like to shit talk people in public but I've had some high sphincter-factor moments due to this mess and get pretty wound up on the subject.

Ever spit an axle on the freeeway at 70 and lose your brakes with it?
Had a bar bracket rip out of the frame causing a bag to blowout and the frame to bounce on the freeway at 75?
I have.

I imagine Justin has a whole different crew since the 3+ years since I was there, maybe things have changed. Maybe not. I hope so.

and that truck still sucks.

Mutt

02-10-2004, 06:06 PM

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Time and channel, please. I gotta watch these clowns.

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av8 - 9pm on TLC

Dan

burndup

02-10-2004, 06:15 PM

An hour later I'm still cracking up over the "bowl winder."

Digger_Dave

02-10-2004, 06:42 PM

You have to wonder. The show started with the new Ford Cobra, then Chip Fooses's shop.. now this??

Someone has got to have an "in!? " I'm starting to lose faith in TLC.

Second law for Freelance Artists...
The rush job you spent all night working on....
Won't be needed for at least two days.

rdstr31

02-10-2004, 06:52 PM

Damn Rick! Sorry about your luck with those guys. I read that tech article, too! Ok, I'm kinda slow (rode the "short bus" to school)- what the hell is a bowl winder??? Oh, BTW, nice pic in the Gazette, Ryan!

BLAKE

02-10-2004, 06:58 PM

Bowl winder = tapered brown trout

38Chevy4door

02-10-2004, 08:37 PM

Rick,

I remember that article...I thought it was cool, you actually showing that sometimes things go wrong. They made legal threats 'cause you told the truth? I believe, officially, that makes them suckheads.

I am still laughing stupidly at your description of that truck. I'd insult it too, but I can't come up with anything that funny.

Steve

av8

02-10-2004, 08:41 PM

Mutt -- Thanks.

lownslow

02-10-2004, 09:03 PM

yeah rick your car broke .....BUT ..........who gave up my favorite dinner and birthday sex to come get your broke down ass ??????? i am the one who should be mad at em ..........call me i gots a couple of ?????? for yuzz

trey

02-10-2004, 10:27 PM

flat black and 20" billet wheels dont mix. one word

craptacular.

what was up with that guy chaning his voice?

trey

Fast Elvis

02-10-2004, 10:28 PM

I guess it's not what you know..or how bad of a HACK you are.....but who you know, that can get you your own gig on the tube!!....such is the Hollywood way.

Tim

02-10-2004, 10:45 PM

i supose i couldlet it slide asa shiney custom car, but i just cant seemto find a way to justifie it in primer, let alone that dash or bed :S

to each his owne i guess :P

ESnacky6

02-10-2004, 11:12 PM

I've heard this story before...

Donnie told me everything a while back...

isn't it weird how the fuckups seem to get recognition,
and the nice guys get screwed all the time..??

Something is very wrong with the equation...
(same thing with relationships too huh..? damn.)

Steve

02-10-2004, 11:15 PM

nice guys finish last. the fuck ups are the ones who seem to have the frends

Sam F.

02-10-2004, 11:18 PM

jason preistly said "RAT RODZ"...hahaha http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

choprods

02-10-2004, 11:22 PM

Sorry- but it looked like a whole lot of highly sophisticated, poorly orchestrated bad planning to me..... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif I mean who in the fuck has to saw the entire wheel opening lip off and dolly it flat to get the tires to clear on a truck entirely built "in house"?[while they tried to upholster it at the same time]I mean they did it all from body to chassis and EVEN tire choice -wheel selection?????SHIT--I thought for a second I would get to show my wife I knew as much as the "big dogs" do- [when they mentioned the top chop]- I had no Idea they meant- lopp it off! Also, I bet the color choice was a last ditch effort to get a "finished" product, when it really was not "quite there"-for real color.........Yeah- I was impressed! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

ShortBus

02-10-2004, 11:28 PM

That's a true friend, you guys. Lownslow left his gorgeous wife at home on his birthday to come rescue my broke down ass. No questions other than 'Where are you?'

One of 3 times he dropped everything to help out a homeboy..

You know you're my hero, Donk.

R

I did learn a lesson from the whole ordeal..
BUILD YOUR OWN JUNK.

McGrath

02-10-2004, 11:30 PM

"I bet the color choice was a last ditch effort to get a "finished" product, when it really was not "quite there"-for real color"

Thats what I was thinking too. Some of that sheetmetal looked pretty wavy when they showed the wet Primer going on.

JamesG

02-10-2004, 11:39 PM

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flat black and 20" billet wheels dont mix. one word

craptacular.

what was up with that guy chaning his voice?

trey

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Thats what I wanted to know, WTF is up with his voice? If he can talk normal then why don't he all the time? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

ESnacky6

02-11-2004, 01:40 AM

Scott's Rods = Poop...

High Pitch Eric(from Howard Stern)
without the glasses has NO STYLE...!!
No previous 'thoughts' or 'planning',
just 'build as you go'..??

True Craptsmanshit if you ask me...

everything from the Mercedes headlights,
to the flat black afterthought of a paint job,
(come ON..!! for a one off 'custom'..?? no pride...)
to the ugly dash/center console,
to the ultra Ugly-Dub-ling wheels,
to the way too laid-back windshield...

That abortion of a vehicle has got to be a true
showing of the wasted time/'talent' at that shop...

Come on guys, get off the crack..!!!

I guess you either have style, or you don't have style...

My 10 cents... Later, Snacks...

p.s.- Glad you survived your ordeals Rick..!! Damn....

Leon

02-11-2004, 03:34 AM

I talked to these guys last year at Bakersfield and was asking about ride height vs bag height and the idiot told me they just put the bags in and then inflated till it looked right. When I asked about the bag's height at ideal ride height he didn't know what I was talking about..... I walked away cause this "expert" didn't know anything.
On the show I got a kick out of cutting slots in the sheet metal to get it to bend in a straight line. Can't they afford a brake?

chopt50

02-11-2004, 04:27 AM

[ QUOTE ]
"There isn't much in the way of computer-aided drawing, modern-day technical preplanning or years of model building before they begin a car..." They just start fucking shit up with no forethought or game plan.

Those are the HACKS that did such a shitty job installing bags on my heap. Their "suspension expert" was the brake and alignment HACK they stole from the local Firestone retailer.

HACKS that over-welded on my rear axle housing which tweaked the ends 1/4-inch out of true, causing it to spit the right axle twice before I figured out the problem and had it straightened. Lost a tire each time when the whitewall grinding itself to dust on the inside of the quarter was the only braking action available once it let go.

HACKS that built bar-mount brackets that ripped out of the x-member leaving a tear big enough to stick your hand into.

HACKS that installed the rear bags BEHIND the axle for the minimum-possible amount of lift.

Not to mention SHITTY four-bar geometry..

HACKS HACKS FUCKING HACKS

Of course they wouldn't let me write about THAT part of the install in R&C.. I did mention the bracket that ripped out of the frame in an R&C update and they (HACKS) threatened to sue the magazine because I printed the truth..

I'd have been better off with the leaf springs, air shocks and spring wrap-up on acceleration that I started with. Instead, my car rode the ramp truck 4 times before I worked out all of their shitty 'fabrication'.

Did I mention that they're HACKS?

I did get a free t-shirt though, I used it to mop up an oil spill in the driveway.

Oh, and I coiled a bowl-winder this morning with ten times the style of that ruined Chevy truck. They should have restored it, at least it would have had another chance at being cool in the future.

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Are you talking about yer Oldsmobubble Rick? I met you at Grand Ave. cruise in Escondildo aloooong time ago. That truck is extremely FUCKING UGLY!!!!!! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

beatnik

02-11-2004, 09:00 AM

The truck was ugly. I have to say I did like the bed, but it needs a tailgate if it's a shoptruck.

These guys are suppose to be the IFS specialists, yet all these guys did was show us bodywork and sheet metal work, and then the chassis magically appeared. Who the hell spends $200,000 for a shop truck, and if it is a shop truck why the hell do you use a supercharged fuel ingected LS1 motor.

Rides is nothing more than a paid advertisement. It would of been a complete waste of time if it wasn't for the Hottie tig welding up the exhaust.

oldandkrusty

02-11-2004, 09:04 AM

Yikes, am I glad that I stayed the hell away from these guys. Several years ago I was on the west coast at the Goodguys Pleasanton show and talked to Justin Padfield about his front end kits for my '40. He definitely seemed interested in building one for me , but when I tried to pin him down on the amount of time it would be before I got one built and shipped, he danced around that subject like James Brown doing his "I feel good" routine. Hmmmmm, he didn't give me the warm and fuzzies, to say the least. And, I didn't feel good about giving him 1/3 down just to be put on the waiting list. He's in California and I'm in upstate NY. Who's going to be the loser when he doesn't do what he says he would do? It ain't going to be him! As it turned out, I'm glad I waited as I had an old friend with lots of roundy-round experience build a torsion bar front for my '40. It is a work of art and I'm glad I waited.

hatch

02-11-2004, 09:09 AM

Why plan ANYTHING?????...shit...their customers have LOTS of money to cover their fuckups..

I can't BELIEVE they didn't START with the wheel and tire choice...fuckin amateurs.

flatheadpete

02-11-2004, 09:35 PM

Holy crap!! "BOWL WINDER"!? I'm gonna use the hell outta that! The truck sucked. The paint? "Well, we're not even close to done. Let's throw som flat black on this wavy p.o.s. and call it done." I really liked the way the headlights aimed at the stars. But, do stars really need lights? The bling-a-ding-ding wheels and tires looked like left-over hoodrat garage sale items and the best part? "Needs a little trimmin to make these ill-fittin' tires to actually fit! Billy-Bob!! Get my sawzall and a dolly n hammer! Damn this looks good!"

MercMan1951

02-11-2004, 10:20 PM

The place was a wreck, They used the plasma WAY too much, the guys were hacks...the truck looked stupid and not well executed, they hid thier flaws with flat black...and they used the wrong rims for the car. Ignore them and they will go away. BUT it was still fun to watch other guys work for a change...

Too bad they have some talent working in that shop that might be better utilized somwhere else.

All I kept thinking while watching it was...except for the amount of space they had, I could do the same thing with a crew of 8 guys in 90 days out of my garage! They looked totally unprofessional. The Foose show at least showed what it takes to create a nice, one-off, professionally created design from a rendering. I felt like any of us could have come up with that truck, at home, for WAY less then they must have spent...and it would have at least looked cool.

I totalled up the hours today at work while I was bored...at $85.00 and hour times 5 guys working 8 hours a day for 90 days (which is really conservative compared to what they claim as the hours they put in)...it's up over $300,000 to make that truck JUST IN LABOR if Joe Blow walked in and asked for that abortion case to be done up that way...The engine alone had to be worth at lest ten grand....WTF I am so sick of "Mercedes" lights I wanted to puke when I saw how much they messed up that front end.

I still like the show though. It beats "Friends" hands down...or whatever other crap they have on TV on Tuesday nights...

eltiberius

12-26-2007, 01:26 PM

Had to resurrect this thread as we were on the subject of botched jobs.
My fault for letting them touch my car. I actually should know better as I worked there for a couple of months. When I realized that Justin was NEVER going to spring for decent tools or even workbenches...and when I saw some of the work coming out of there...
I tried to stay on friendly terms with an old boss, and we traded some labor. I worked on his abortion of a chopper, in trade for doing the work they did on my car, over again.
Let's just say that I don't think he gets any local jobs anymore. His rep is shot here.