Okay...2.8 (173) GM V6 guys???? [Archive]

Fat Hack

01-01-2004, 01:36 PM

Ha Ha Ha...I know there's LOTS of you here!! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

After much contemplation, reflection, calculating, soul searching and heavy drinking...I've settled on the lowly 2.8 litre (173 cubic inch) carbureted (1986 and older) Chevy 60 degree V6 to "power" (using the term semi-loosely!) the Mighty 49 Chevy project!

The motor is compact...short AND narrow (thanks to the 60 degree banking), and I was more than satisfied with the performance of the one I owned...in a fwd Celebrity, no less!

So...what exactly are the differences between the front wheel drive engines and the rear wheel drive engines? Is it just the motor mount positions and carburetor orientation?

(If so, no biggie!)

I ordered the "Chevy 60 degree V6 to TH350 tranny adapter" from Speedway to make using a common, cheap V8 tranny possible, and to simplify installation, since I'm making up some KILLER engine mounts that swing way into Overkill Territory...the tranny will be mounted by the conventional mount, as well as a bellhousing mount (like a motor plate), and there will also be custom motor mounts to the side or front of the engine...it ain't goin' NOWHERE!!

Now, my questions....

1. Differences between FWD and RWD engines?

2. Is an older "pre-feedback" distributor available?

3. What year did this engine first appear?

I know, I know, it's kinda oddball, but if anyone anywhere will know this stuff, HAMBers will!

mr57

01-01-2004, 01:40 PM

Oil pump and pan are different, for sure. Might even be something with placement of the distributor. I know when I was looking for a replacement for my Blazer, it had to be from a rear wheel drive vehicle. Personally, you ain't going to be happy with it. That's a big car to pull around with a small motor with a notoriously weak crank.

Hot Rod To Hell

01-01-2004, 01:46 PM

God Damn yer a wierdo Hack! 2.8's are TURDS!!! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Tinbender

01-01-2004, 01:46 PM

I put one in the dumpster a few weeks ago http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

ray

01-01-2004, 01:49 PM

a lot of things you do hack i would go with, but dear god NO! if ANYTHING go with a 4.3 v6.

jdubbya

01-01-2004, 02:01 PM

Might want to PM flatheadpete, he has got an inline six, it would be alot cooler than being "king turd". I am sure "babymomma" would be happy to get rid of it if you can't convince him, should be cheap.

cornfieldrodder

01-01-2004, 02:04 PM

OK Hack here's the deal. The starter is on th opposite side with a front drive 60 V6. There is one bell housing to do the job, though. It is the old 2.8 F body 4speed bell. It is configured for starters on both sides! You need the clutch fork to go with it. Converting to hydraulic clutch is straight forward. The adapters I've seen for V8 pattern bells require a rear drive 60 degree engine. If you want mor power later on, a 3.4 pushrod or DOHC engine will work if you use the mentioned bell housing, since orientation wont matter.
I have the needed bell and an Edelbrock hirise intake fore your needs, if yoyu wanna talk about it. Just PM me. Man, I just got home from Coldwater, they coulda been delivered!

ray

01-01-2004, 02:27 PM

yeah, and you can always bolt up a 2.5 4 banger for the ultimate in tire blistering torque! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Boones

01-01-2004, 02:31 PM

Dont do it.... The 2.8 is the crappiest motor GM has ever built. I had some that I did some stuff to pump it up and it still sucked. I did a 30 over, bigger cam, headers and better induction and still junk... GM does not sell them anymore I do not think, they recommend the 3.1 as a replacement.. I would go either 4.3 or 3800

RileyRacing

01-01-2004, 02:40 PM

I sense a TECH O MATIC on Celebrity front clips coming on... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

cornfieldrodder

01-01-2004, 02:48 PM

Not when ypu only need the k member and some way to mount the struts and fwd and rear engine mounts. It would be an easier swap than some MII conversoins. Not that I'm promoting it oe anything http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

tomslik

01-01-2004, 02:48 PM

i'd rather see ya put a ford in it than one of those pieces of crap...

they ain't got enough power to pull a fat girl off a tricyle

as far as the differences,block IS different(starter,motor mount bosses,pan,etc.

gm will sell ya a 3.4 replacement(it wasn't available in anything but a crate motor) for 82-85 s-10 that'd have a closer time pulling a 50 chevy that a 2.8....

b&m usta make a blower for 'em but the limp dick bottom end will prolly leave the hard way as the intake+/or head gaskets undoubtably will dump large amounts of coolant in the crankcase assuming the pos crank seal doesn't leak all the oil out 1st....

shall i go on?
i worked for a dealer when these shitboxes were new.

#1, i'll NEVER work for a dealer again.
#2 i'm not too thrilled about cars in general right now, but the 2.8l is one of the biggest POS's EVER!

oh yeah, throw the 2.8 in the trunk,it'll lower it at least..;)

yorgatron

01-01-2004, 03:42 PM

tomslik is right on the money,as far as i'm concerned.you ought to at least have enough respect for the old gal to slap an inline engine in there.

Ayers Garage

01-01-2004, 03:54 PM

2.8s......

intake gasket leakingest, cam flatteningst, rear main leakingest, limp wristed engine GM ever made.

If you absolutley must, I believe the 82 or 83 S-10 had a normal HEI type distributor. My mind tries to block all memories of that cast iron bitch.

Everytime one of those things came into the dealership, I'd act real busy till the service dispatcher gave the job to another tech. I could never make any real money on those little fuqrs.

Seriously, must you do this? Maybe a 3.8 Buick....

cornfieldrodder

01-01-2004, 04:17 PM

Hack, 82 frt drivers vave an HEI with an advance system. They are cheap enough at the ol' parts store you would think. Speedway has a set of headers for 60 degree engines, maybe they are worth lookin' at. Those things realy need better exhaust, read somewhere that headers are double diget horsepower makers on them.
What gear are you going to use?

Hot Rod To Hell

01-01-2004, 04:21 PM

I didn't even think a 2.8 was capable of double digit power!!! Seriously Hack, if anyone was crazy enough to try this, it would be you http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif, but 2.8's really are better boat anchors than motors!

jdubbya

01-01-2004, 04:25 PM

All in favor of Hack scrapping the idea say "I"........ I!

Sometimes it just takes some intervention, admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Nocero

01-01-2004, 04:25 PM

Don't listen to all the people that say they are junk. They obviously have no experience with them. I run circle track in a 2.8 class. You can get 350hp out of them with very little work and money. I have $1200 in mine but I have access to a machine shop so all machine work is free. I twisted mine over 7000 rpm all season!!! with nothing but one bent pushrod when I hit the mud and zinged it over 8 grand. I'm noy going to argue with all the non believers on this post but if you want more info please feel free to PM or e mail me. The only draw back I can tell you from experience unless you want to use stock manifolds you'll be building headers. I don't know if I would use a 2.8 in a hot rod but If I was on a tight budget and that is what I had I would.

hatch

01-01-2004, 04:33 PM

350/350/weld the hood closed...done

ray

01-01-2004, 04:40 PM

what would be fun, snag a rolled bonneville SSei, supercharged riviera, grand prix, etc. and stick the 3.8 supercharged fwd drivetrain into a tail draggin skirted 49-50 chevy, for some real fun, go with stationary hubcaps, then watch the front tires magically go up in smoke! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

36-3window

01-01-2004, 04:56 PM

[ QUOTE ]
. I run circle track in a 2.8 class. ..... i twisted mine over 7000 rpm all season!!!

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what did you use for cam/lifters/valve train? i have a little experience racing the 2.8 v-6 in SCCA ITA class and could never find a REAL performance canshaft for it. Lunati and others just basically have hydraulic lifter street grinds, 6000 rpm max......GM performance has a couple stiffer cams(both hydraulic) that they claim will go 6500 rpm's with the correct springs. does someone make a solid lifter cam for it?

it was a good little motor in a pontiac fiero,would go like hell up to the 6000 rpm rev limiter...but way to small for a heavier car

46mopar

01-01-2004, 05:00 PM

I say go for it a 2.8 isn't all that bad you can find alot of go fast parts for them you just have to know where to look intakes, cams,hedaers and even rollers rockers are out there. I had a couple of S-10 with 2.8s and I could bet most 4.3 S-10 with them. I think the replacment 3.1 or 3.4 motor is a little better with 9:1 compression the 2.8 has 8:1 . In the early 80's B&M had a blower for one but is hard to find and I found out later that some miget sprit car classes ran 2.8's I seen one with a 4 weber intake on it .

yorgatron

01-01-2004, 05:12 PM

have you even checked to see if the old 216 will run? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Flipper

01-01-2004, 05:15 PM

I'm looking at the next version of that motor (3.1) myself. I've heard the later 2.8s are better ....after they were internally balanced. Anybody else have a preference on the best year models?

cornfieldrodder

01-01-2004, 05:22 PM

With a 3 inch stroke and a 5.7 long rod, along with better breathing for each cube per cyl than an old LT1, the thing should respond in similar fashion to a 283/302 sbc. The torque production should be in a similar rpm range. Some sbc parts will work such as roller rockers (narrower models ,drill and tap the heads for 3/8 studs)some model lifters and such. A local guy has one in an MG midget, and it'll scare most folks. That thing only weighs 1600 lbs of course. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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RileyRacing

01-01-2004, 06:01 PM

One other thing, do they have different bellhousing patterns for FWD/RWD? I thought I heard something about that once. Although a 2.8 S-10 shouldn't be that hard to find...
Jay

cornfieldrodder

01-01-2004, 06:36 PM

The pattern is the same but the starter mounts on opposite sides. The correct bellhousing was mentioned earlier for using fwd engines. The fwd port injected mills have alloy heads with canted valves and much better breathing. Unfortunately, there was no carb intake for them and the aftermarket ones are hard to find. I've seen dual weber 3 bbl units as well as tunnel rams for them though. The aluminum heads might need O rings though with any squeeze due to thier tendency to use up gaskets http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
A 3.4 DOHC can be used to wake some really good power, but those things seem to be always needing head gaskets. They sound real good with open exhaust when they are at higher revs though.

HOTRODPRIMER

01-01-2004, 07:19 PM

Hey,Fat Hack....I got a buick V6 and tranny I'll give you if you'll come and get it. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gifHRP

Nocero

01-01-2004, 08:08 PM

Hey 36 3window
Crower and Comp Cams both offer some nasty solid lifter cams but I'd recomend Comp just because of the great customer service they gave me. I don't like the lifters though. I prefer the direct lube lifters on any solid lifter cam. I use 1.6 SBC roller rockers and .135 longer pushrods. I'm building a stud girdle for next year but it was ok last year. With the 1.6 rockers I'm just over .510 lift. I'd have to do some checking I can't remember right now but the valves I used were a ford part number.

Model A Vette

01-01-2004, 08:30 PM

FatHack~
I worked for a company that ran 2.8 Celebritys from the beginning of their run until the end. I may have SOME insight to share as I bought one of them coming off lease and a friend bought another.
The friend bought an earlier one that was a carb engine. That was 86 or earlier. The water pump on that FWD 2.8 was similar to the old Buick V8 style: large alum casting covering the front of the engine. Those castings were prone to wasting away due to the small cross section for water flow. I don't know if the RWD engine used the same casting.
The later FWD engines used a kind of remote mounted pump that inserted into a different style casting. I've replaced a couple of those pumps. The later engines used a serp belt and I think the package was shorter with the serp belt.
I think the later engines had larger bearings and stronger cranks. As installed in S10's and F bodies the early engines had HEI distributors until they went to direct fire from the crank sensor. There are different places for the crank magnet and pickup depending on the body style (FWD vs. RWD).
I think the later 3.4 engine can be converted to use an HEI. You might have to juggle parts to create a non-computer controlled HEI dist with vacuum advance.
Avoid the early DOHC 3.4 - there was a lot of warranty work on these as they didn't sell well and the factory never got enough time to sort them out.
I agree with the other opinions about going for displacement (current 3.4).
The 2.8 didn't seem to last in S10's. I've seen plenty of them replaced with the crate engine or 4.3's or SBC. It may be that they were not maintained well in work trucks and suffered the consequences.

46mopar

01-01-2004, 10:56 PM

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Hell, I'm just gonna drop Cornfield's intake on a stock S-10 or Camaro motor, hook it up to a TH350 tranny...and drive the thing for a while!!

(Wonder what it'll sound like through open lake pipes??? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif)

[/ QUOTE ]Do the words Farm Tractor mean anything

Kustm52

01-03-2004, 12:36 AM

Fat Hack, you are one strange little man....I had one in a lwb s-10 p/u that wouldn't have pulled a greasy string out of a cat's ass...you'd better gear it about 4:10 and run an overdrive...

But, if you are determined to do it...here's a tip...2.8's that came in Fiero's had factory finned aluminium valve covers...they used to be pretty easy to find...might not be so easy anymore.

Brian

38Chevy454

01-03-2004, 03:30 AM

FH, you have chosen a different engine to use for sure. I wonder why you are going with a turbo 350 and the adapter when you can run a 700R4 bolted directly to the 2.8. The 700R4 has a lower first gear ratio to help the smaller engine. Put a real low gear in the back (like 4.56 or so) and still have the advantage of OD for freeway cruising. You can probably get an old S-10 with the body rusted away and swap the 2.8/700R4 combo in as one unit. You could use that S-10 rearend as well. Change the gears to the low ones I mentioned.

Sell the front clip to a HAMB'er for a few bucks.

Or why not run a 2.8 with the 5 speed trans? Do you want automatic only?

mr57

01-03-2004, 01:08 PM

I guess if you are stuck on this mill, then a for sure thing to put in is a Citation X-11 cam. A friend of mine had one back in university, and that thing would spank a new Z-28 off the line. His was carbed too if I remember correctly. Again, though, the cranks are kind of weak in them.....

flatheadpete

01-03-2004, 01:15 PM

FER CRYIN' OUT LOUD, MAN!!! Fat Hack, you can have the six I have for free; just come and get it!! Or, at my workplace, we have a COMPLETE 3400 motor/trans out of a '96 firebird that the boss would 'prolly damn near give ya. My '87 S-15 Jimmy had a 208 liter peice of crap thet caught fire. Know what I did? Dass rite, 350/350. PM me if you are interested. Pete http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

tomslik

01-03-2004, 01:46 PM

lessee, ran it out of oil, overheated numerous times and would STILL whip yer monte....
did ya EVER connect the OTHER 4 plug wires?

that monte musta been a REAL piece.....

oh well, never try and teach a pig to sing....(as i sit here shaking my, uhh, head)

i think i'll bookmark this page and wait untill i hear bitching about the turd, uh, i mean "engine" and i use that term loosly...

lotsa luck!
if ya need any more adviceto ignore, don't heasatate to ask http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

cornfieldrodder

01-03-2004, 07:41 PM

The 3400 will accept all of the gofast stuff for the 2.8, plus ya get better cam timing and you can still put a dizzy in it. GM mentioned an MSD part in one of their books. Maybe your local speed shop can locate it for you. The F body should have a 4L60e trans too, no? That bell would be smaller than the sbc style and may clear your floors with ease! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif An S10 rear should be cheap to get. Man this ones gona be easy with that little package!
Weren't those 3.4s ratedat some where around 160 HP with the crappy iron manifolds?

cornfieldrodder

01-03-2004, 07:43 PM

Wow, 4 pages and 52 replies to a 2.8 V6 powered 49 driver. You know how to stir the shit, FH!

flatheadpete

01-03-2004, 07:45 PM

Dunno 'bout all that. This 3400 came out of a late Firebird that was tagged in th lf fender. The boss bought it with 44,000 miles on the clock. I spent three days strippin' the car so he can have a 7 sec. "street car". Just gotta ask him what it's gonna take so 'Hack can have a high tech drivetrain. Hell, the rearend is sittin there too! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

cornfieldrodder

01-03-2004, 07:57 PM

I have an alloy head mill in the shop, it weighed in at just over 250 lbs with no intake plenum but the accessory drive aluminum bracket cluster f%&*k was present. Probably shoulda run that instead of the quad4 but v6s can never look as good.

fab32

01-03-2004, 08:26 PM

Hack, I just got off the phone with the people from the HOME. They assure me that you will be treated well and your thearapy won't begin until your READY. In fact they related to me that if they put you into a program too soon and you're not in a mental state to accept the HELP it could retard your progress in the program. I assured them there was plenty of retardation already present so They are prepared to GO SLOW.
Now I want you to step away from the 2.8, go over to the Lazy Boy, sit down and recline. When they knock on the door just go peacefully, I promise it won't hurt.
We'll all be here when you get out, er, I mean back.

LOVE, Frank

jdubbya

01-03-2004, 08:33 PM

BANG YOUR HEAD!!..mental health will drive you mad...sorry, can't get that old Quiet Riot song out of my head now.

roadstar

01-03-2004, 08:48 PM

A 2.8 in anything is not cool. This is the motor city, I'm sure you can do better than a engine that doesn't even make a good CORE. Take the engine off the bike it will be faster and WAY more dependable.

fab32

01-03-2004, 08:49 PM

Hack, I detect some reluctance on your part (about the home) and am prepared to sweeten the pot. If, after a couple of weeks I get a positive report on your progress I'll send you a magazine (your choice but if it's got naked women i get to "READ" it first). I owe you one and this will great way to pay you back.

Frank

choprods

01-03-2004, 09:48 PM

I think you are mistaken choosing to use this motor. I think the lack of tourque would be very dissapointing.But if you insist-Well...... Hack I have what ya need[more than a hole in your head!]I have a fresh lo mile [complete overhaul] 2.8 v6 from a 1981 celebrity. it has a two stage two barell carb and an HEI one wire /[non computer] distributor.Do have the bell hsg and flywheel for a stick/clutch pressure plate too. sorry- I have my loot in it or it would be free.....TRADES? OR 150.dollars/plus actual freight.AND I STILL SAY IT WOULD SUCK AND DO NOT DO IT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

RileyRacing

01-03-2004, 10:09 PM

You guys are being really hard on the boy, dontcha think? I had a roommate in college that had a 2.8 in his Grand Prix, and it moved out pretty good. They weighed in at 3200 pounds, so it'd be right on par with the Chevy. And almost double the Hp. So, in THEORY, it is a LOGICAL choice, but since when does LOGIC make SENSE? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Jay

MercMan1951

01-03-2004, 10:49 PM

Yeah, and the car hopped curbs and parking blocks with the best of them and kept on going! That must mean it has a low profile oil pan! Something to consider, anyways... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

flatheadpete

01-03-2004, 11:11 PM

Gotta admit, Hack, I had a buddy in high school with a 2.8- 5 speed Fiero with no cats (gotta love Michigan's smog laws) that hauled ass! It went 13.90's at the strip with a stock motor!! But that car also only weighed 13 lbs. Never mind, don't use that crappy v6.

hatch

01-04-2004, 12:07 AM

When I was in the Philippines in the seventies, I knew of a 56 caddy with a 4cyl diesel. "WHIPLASH CITY" compared to the chevy 2.8 http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

cornfieldrodder

01-04-2004, 12:08 AM

Go for it FH! I want to do a turbo deisel Benz 6 cyl in a postwar Mopar someday.

flatheadpete

01-04-2004, 12:11 AM

Somebody has to end this. WHIPLASH CITY? What the hell (or should I say where the hell) is that? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

RileyRacing

01-04-2004, 12:15 AM

By Nutbush City, and around Detroit Rock City. But nowhere near "We built this city on rock and roll". Thats somewhere else. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Jay

RileyRacing

01-04-2004, 12:25 AM

just you wait, my 216 will be bad ass someday... when I win the lotto, and ...

the WAYNE catalog I just got has alot of goodies in it!

Jay

spudz

01-04-2004, 03:01 AM

I work at a chevy dealership and i own two 3.1s. 3.1s and 2.8s are damn near the same. They are both GREAT motors, I have 287,000 miles on one and the only thing I ever did to it was replace the rear main seal. It runs GREAT still. I have another one with 157K and it runs great, nother ever done to it. As long as u keep oil and water in them they are REALLY good motors. AS for the 3.4s... my opinion from workin on them, THEY SUCK MAJOR DICK!!!! I HATE EM.. they are peppy little bastards though. I'd go with a 3.1 outa a f-body. Fuel injected an all, they have more HP then the 2.8s with carb thats in the s-dimes. I love the 2.8 and 3.1s I don't care what ANYONE says. Cool or not they can take some abuse.

286merc

01-04-2004, 10:46 AM

I bought an 86 Ciera new for the old lady, ran great until I went overseas for 6 months and she never changed or checked the oil. Big rap at 125K.
Put in a Fiero motor that showed 98K. Eventually gave the car to my son who drove it all over the US until he got transferred to Germany 2 years ago. Not much body was left but the 2.8 was still running great at roughly 225K.

The one thing I didnt see mentioned in this thread is comparing FWD to RWD for HP at the wheels. FWD wins by a mile.
Another car I had that literally flew was a 3.3 in a 94 Buick Skylark, FWD of course.

But I will have to agree with other comments, it wont move that Chevy very well, you will lose a lot of the power it has in the RWD process.

Be different, put in one of those 350 Olds or Buicks you keep talking about or even a 60's V6 225.

Hot Rod To Hell

01-04-2004, 06:10 PM

So am are we supposed to stop and help when we see you on the road... broke down...? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Hot Rod To Hell

01-04-2004, 06:18 PM

Yep... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gifeverbody's a comedian...

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Flipper

02-02-2004, 01:20 AM

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I work at a chevy dealership and i own two 3.1s. 3.1s and 2.8s are damn near the same. ....... AS for the 3.4s... my opinion from workin on them, THEY SUCK MAJOR DICK!!!! I HATE EM.. they are peppy little bastards though. I'd go with a 3.1 outa a f-body. Fuel injected an all, they have more HP then the 2.8s with carb thats in the s-dimes. I love the 2.8 and 3.1s I don't care what ANYONE says. Cool or not they can take some abuse.

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I thought the 3.4 was almost the same exact motor as the 2.8 & 3.1. Why does it suck so bad?

Are you talking about the camaro version or one of the FWD versions?

choprods

02-02-2004, 07:17 PM

'Hack- I hope all goes well-m but I have a question.....does a 2.8 pulling a 2700 pound front wheel drive have an easier job than same motor pulling a 3000 pound rear wheel drive car?Not concerned with the weight difference as much as the loss of power in the differentials .I say it would have better power in a frt wheel than a rear end car.????

2tall2beahotrodder

02-02-2004, 08:19 PM

Hack this one is for you.. Enjoy!

Kustm52

02-02-2004, 09:18 PM

That's no 2.8...the distributor is on the wrong end! FH, I haven't forgotten your parts....not holding you up am I??

Brian

2tall2beahotrodder

02-03-2004, 03:08 PM

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41 Ratsledrodder...I told ya your car likey had a 3.8 Buick V6 in it...and that picture proves it! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

(Distributor in front at an angle, and 90 degree cylinder banking. The 2.8 Chevy engine has narrow cylinder banking and the distributor is in the rear. Some G-body cars also used the 200 or 229 Chevy 90 degree V6, which is a small block V8 minus two cylinders!)

Kustm52...naw...still cold here with snow on the ground...don't knock yourself out over it...not the best 'working-on-the-car-weather' at the moment!!

[/ QUOTE ] Well the serial number says its a 2.8 chevy.... Unless they switched the engine, You gotta be kindn me..