29 roadster body

[franzfrucket1]

Ok so my dad was on the phone with this guy in our area and then all of the sudden calls me into the room, he wanted to know if my dad knew a guy with a model T straight 4 because he had cracked the block on his. I said I had no idea so the guy then said that he might be selling it or donating it to a museum. My dad happens to run/own an fire museum and this car was used in the 30's by the Milwaukee fire department and its a orginal ROADSTER body http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif! So I was thinking about it and I want it but I have no knowlage about these car or what to do if I would get it. Now this isnt reality yet but my pop said hed find out soon. So what do you guys think any ideas for a newbie, I dont want to have it and then just sell it to make some green I want something that I can say"Hey I did that" ya know. So yea all thoughts would be apprecaited.

Thanks


Owen

[Bondo Slinger]

Why did he want a T motor for an A body?

[manyolcars]

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Why did he want a T motor for an A body?

[/ QUOTE ] no ne said it wuz an A body

[Unkl Ian]

It's a '29 T.

Try and keep up. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Bondo Slinger]

sorry, should have known http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Anyways it dosn`t really matter.

What kind of build style do you like? the possibilities are almost endless. If the car is complete other than the motor you could always put in a souped up `banger and drive it as is. (might want to put some juice brakes on it)

[Smokin Joe]

Somebody ought to clue this kid in about that 29 T body... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Uh, they quit making T's in 27. If it's really a 29 body it's an A. Sorry if I spoiled the joke guys but I think there are already enough 29 deuce coupe roadster full fendered hiboys out there... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Pist-n-Broke]

Hay Kid, who cares if it's a T' or an A'. If it's stock and cherry that's the prefict place to start for a Rod! Strip it and rod it! Primer goes on top of cherry paint as well as it goes on bare metal. Who gives a F#*^^K about musieum pieces. Put it on the street Your way. Every Car including Rat Rods were new once.
The Wizzard

[franzfrucket1]

Your right Im sorry about that guys, like I have said before I dont know my ass from my elbow compared to you guys but thats what the guy had told me, anyways what I would like to do if it comes together is put a nailhead in it or maybe that 455 rocket(just to be different)
Id have to channel it cause I have no idea how to z a frame and its to expensive to have someone do it for me, problem is it would be really nice cause Im 6'6 ha ha ha, anyways and ya know just run white walls on it the normal stuff, but yea thats what I was thinking....any more suggestions?

Thanks

Owen http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Tman]

Your ass is that thing you sit on. Your elbow is the thing you hit if you are 6'6" and try to get in an out of an early roadster http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[franzfrucket1]

ha ha ha thanks for clearing that up Tman http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[franzfrucket1]

Ok I was thinking that the hot rod gods hated me beacause everytime I wanted to buy something, something would go wrong and P@#! me off, but now YAY the guy is willing to sell me it, cathch is its a little more then I want to spend on something without an engine http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif.....however I guess its really cool to have an original steel body, so I guess thats good but I dont want to be some gay sceanster(though most of you probably think Im) anyways I may have found a 455 rocket to but Idk if its still for sale and another question that may sound stupid, How hard is it to Z a frame and what would I need to do it http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif so yea ha ha


Thanks Owen.....

[jonnycola]

Channeling, well doing it right is way harder than Z'ing the frame.

If it is done right is cool, but for you, and that car it would suck. You're freakishly tall and a channeled car would be hell on your knees. Sit my roadster once and you'll see.


To Z it, like I'm doing on my coupe, you make a step in the frame so the rear end sits higher in relation to the body, thus lowering the car. its not incredibly hard, but its hard. I'm going to be doing mine in a couple weeks, so you can come down and see the progress.

I didnt know what to do with mine when I got it....and it was already channeled four inches...so I figured that because I'm tall, I would need to conserve all the interior space that I could. so Zing it was a must.

I first figured out what wheels and tires I was going to run, so at least *that* would be a constant. Once that was dialed in I settled on what motor I was going to run. The weight of the motor changes the front end completely. So then those two were definite, we figured out the front end so it would sit as low as I want. At that point all you do is match the step in the back to the height in the front, so the car sits level.





If you get it it's going to be a shitload of work, just keep that in mind. A year minimum.


I imagine if you sell all the old model A parts you might be able to get some decent money to throw at it as a hot rod project. Problem is getting the nessicary funds to begin with..


so spend my hard earned two cents wisely.

[Smokin Joe]

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I first figured out what wheels and tires I was going to run, so at least *that* would be a constant. Once that was dialed in I settled on what motor I was going to run. The weight of the motor changes the front end completely. So then those two were definite, we figured out the front end so it would sit as low as I want. At that point all you do is match the step in the back to the height in the front, so the car sits level.



[/ QUOTE ]
Pay attention kiddies. The man had a plan! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[franzfrucket1]

You know after having jonnycola explain it to me a little more, I dont think Z-ing that frame would be that hard(though still outta my league) but I think with about a month of hard work and the right tools me him and maybe an expert out there(or two ha ha) we could do it. Also I was curious, were there alot of 29 A's made with rumble seats? And if so are they rare and would it be gay if I tried to make one myself. Also what are some cool tires to run (other then white walls or just a odd kind of WW)?

Thanks

Owen http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[chromedRAT]

best 29 A roadster i have ever seen was in rod and custom this year, all black with black wheels, baby moons and whitewall bias plies. the thing that sold it for me was that it had a false bellypan originally done to look like a lakes car. false or not, i think it really made the car by eliminating the sharp body edge. look it up.

[porknbeaner]

Zing the chassis is no harder than moving the floorboard if ya know how to weld.
If you can weld you're half way there.
As someone already said as tall as you are (too d*&ntall http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif)channeling is basically out. Unless you step the floor. Too hard to explain in just a few words.
Now if you're putting a behemouth mill in it you should probably box the frame and add a cross member or two. If your doing thd chassis anyway Z it while your at it.
There have been some good posts in the last few months, do a search using frame, or chassis or zd chassis say newer than 1 month it should turn something up.
Or you could brake completely out of the mold and build a highboy. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[franzfrucket1]

ha ha yea Im a freak but I dont care http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif....I dont quite understand those lake racers either I think its because I really dont know what they are...I know I have seen one before but I cant remeber what it looked like or what was different about them. Also Im just curious but why do alot of people seem to be running flat heads...I know thats what alot of guys did back in the day cause thats really all that was around for cheap and they were before OHV8 except for the caddy which had them in 49(thanks cola) But are there any other reasons....they look sorta cool but I dont know what Id rather have power or coolness....ha ha http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[SamIyam]

I'm going to be brutally honest with you... don't buy it.

If you are just learning, you're better off just buying a car that runs to learn on...

Doing so will increase your likelyhood of a good experience with a hot rod/custom...

If you are not willing to live, eat, breathe hot rods... and work your ass off at both your day job and on your hot rod when you get home... you'll NEVER build one.

People often ask what it takes to build a hot rod... and the answer is simple:

Time + Money + Talent = Hot Rod

If you are lacking one of these... you are going to have to have a lot of the other two...

If you are lacking two of these... you're going to have to have a SHIT LOAD of the one thing you do have...

If you don't have any of it... take up knitting.

Sam.

[CalifCarl]

franz give us some more details on the roadster. Like what's left for you to work with and how much is the guy selling it for. Don't worry I don't think many of us know where BF Wisc. is. You could save alot of trouble and money with the knowledge you can get here. Just tell the whole story.

[franzfrucket1]

He is selling it for 4 grand and I havent seen it yet cause he hasnt been able to met up with me....and sam thanks cause I have time but not much money because Im still paying for my car I worked nearly 40 hours a week during school and I didnt know you guys were born with talent...I guess I should be pissed at my parents for that. Anyways aprently its supposed to be in good shape...but then agian I havent seen it. And its not that Im a complete dipshit but I dont know all the history you guys to and the ins and outs of motors but I have done work on huge waukesha engines but I just havent done much on sbc or sbf or stuff like that. And your right I would pefer something that is running but then agian stuff that is running is more expensive sometimes and not always near me even though I had look. But you guys are probally right I should just give up I obviously dont know shit and Im just a sceanster ya...

[DrJ]

Hey tranzfugger? (sorry I'm bad with names....)
go here http://www.carnut.com/photo/list/flist.html

And look up '29 '27 and '25 Fords and tell us which one it looks like.
because a '29 isn't a Model T, it's a Model A but a '27 Model T looks a lot like a model A.
Difference is. if you have a Model A you can use the frame and Z it and box it and put a V8 in it if you want but a Modlt T frams was about as strong as drapery curtain rod and you'd do better just getting the body alone and scratch building a frame. And $4000 is way too much for a T body if that's all you're going to use off it. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[franzfrucket1]

Its an A DrJ but I didnt know that at first cause he said to me that it was a 29 T and I didnt know when ford had stopped makeing them in 27....thats why I said what I said cause Im stupid like that. Anyways yea I dont know if its alot of money or not but either way I dont have it and Im to much of a moron to do it myself(even with help) so yea thats what I know but I havent seen the thing yet...I just found out about it not to long ago and I have talked to the guy and I wont be able to meet up with him for a bit to see it so I will find out everything then...I hope

[DrJ]

Since you're smart enough to ask intelligent questions I think you are far from a moron.
Moron's usually think they know everything...


The only way to learn is to dig what you don't know out of those who do...And sometimes it seems to take blasting caps!

[franzfrucket1]

I suppose but I just dont get it how come like all the guys in here were once like me....they liked hot rods they wanted to learn and everything but they didnt have the knowlage or the experiance, but now when they know it all....Im the one who gets made fun of. Or gets called a sceanster. To me it doesnt seem fare but w/e. Anyways I was also thinking about just for know doing motors (like rebuilding them and such) and if I do a good job I can always sell them and make some coin and I will also learn alot. I have yet another tech question though, I know kinda what progressive linkage is but there are some other types and I know it but I dont know what they are called or what the difference is. My friends dad has it where all four carbs open at the same time....does that have a special name or not? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[jonnycola]

No, he's still a moron.... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif


Yeah if people make fun of you because you dont know that much about hot rods, they're dicks. Just be sure you know what you're talking about.

I think I'm going to teach you to weld for christmas. I'm poor, I can do it for cheap and its the gift that keeps on giving.


Yeah, you could just box the frame and make it a highboy...I'm all about the real low ones but highboys are cool, and it involves way less frame modification



Also, you could be super badass and make a really early hot rod.... get a four banger for it, ditch the fenders and hood, get a 32 commercial grille shell, run some juice breaks and drop the front and you'll be my hero


I think everyone else would think its pretty badass.... and its as traditional as you can get. I guess thats the essence of hot rodding... ditching whatever dosent make the car go fast or stop fast.... making it loud always helps. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[CalifCarl]

Franz if your worried about getting banged for the easy questions, go look around, the information is out there and you don't need to expose yourself yet. You will find out the first thing about car guys is that they can spot a BS'er a mile away. Simply by little clues that they give out. In your case it's your lack of knowledge and with a BS'er giving you the scoop leading you a stray doesn't help. A 29 T is one of those clues.

I understand where you are coming from. And you can put some blame on your parents! My dad was into cars so some of this stuff does seem to come natural. Just flood yourself with magazines and this damn internet and you will be speaking the lingo with the knowledge to go with it.

It's out there everywhere! I only wish that 29 roadster was in my driveway and you had this 8 inch penis! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[franzfrucket1]

ha ha ha who says I dont have a 8 inch penis you forget Im a big guy and also your right...it wasnt my intention to sound like I was bsing people I just didnt know enough about the car to tell the difference and I have been trying to read and learn as much as I can but it takes me a while since for me to read one page I have just wasted a whole day(not far from th truth) Anyways thanks Carl and I will do my best to follow your advice


Owen

[CalifCarl]

I didn't want to scare the ladies about the ten incher!

[franzfrucket1]

good idea http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[SamIyam]

I don't mean to sound like an ass hole... I'm a teacher... and I can separate the do'ers, the won'ts, the can'ts and the no-way-in-hells... I've gotten duped more than once on guys I've wanted to help out over the years... they collect parts... they eat breathe and sleep hot rods... and then they move on to the next fad once they realize this shit takes time... a lot of time... it's a life style... not something you do in your spare time... ask anyone who has built a 20's or 30's hot rod in a reasonable amount of time... ask them how much they spent.. ask them ho wmany other cars they've built before... ask them how much money they spent...

I'm telling you this so you do not have to find out the hard way... that formula of mine is about as spot-on as it gets... there's no way around it... it's FACT... period, end of discussion...

Also, if you plan on building this car from scratch... you can't let one guy's opinion (like mine) sway you one way or the other... if THAT bothers you... you're dead in the water before you begin...

In addition, the HAMB is one of THE BEST resources for building cars that you could ever have... but when you say "So yea all thoughts would be apprecaited." it means that you're going to get "all thoughts". http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Sam.

[franzfrucket1]

I totally get you man its just that I cant(yet) live and breathe hot rod I want to I just cant though with school a job, I play basketball, and I live on a farm its difficult to fit it in but I want to do one so bad its not even funny. As Im sure as many of you had problems with your first project was money....and I dont have much and your right Sam I should just take all comments good and bad but I just dont like it when I get yelled at for knowing nothing compared to the experts who went through the same things as I did....anyways we have a breakthrough ladies and gents I think Im getting my first engine (sorry TBC)arent you all proud of me? lol Im actually doing something. Its an old SBC and its supposed to be really nice and not need a whole lot done but all new pistons, no boring which is always good.
I think it also needs a carb set up but Im not sure. This way I figure if I end up gettin a rod body or just a frame I can say hey I rebulit that engine in there look at me Im a fucker!http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[MattStrube]

You ever hear of a Gopher? That's where a lot of guys started on here, I'm sure. Their dad's and brothers told them to "go fer" a 5/8 socket 3" extention in 1/2 drive. They said "huh?" then you pretty much do it cuz you wanted to learn. You also watch what your mentor does and ask a lot of stupid questions (that aren't always stupid) and get smart ass answers and good answers.

The smart ass answers are part of learning the BS and general "messin withs" that go on in the garage. People learn by doing and by watching, you have to do both too, so don't get discouraged and give up, cause I agree with Sam, you'll never do it.

I do agree that you should read and look up stuff on the internet, find out what question you want answered and ask it. I've been on here for a year and have less than a 100 posts. I'm still in the learning stages..collecting parts....and have a general fire up my ass to drive my 29 roadster that I don't have yet.

Trust me I know you're excited, and I know you don't know shit, cuz that's where I was when I started as my dad and SamIYam's gopher. But I watch, don't say a whole lot unless it's a joke, and try and learn and not get discouraged.

From one new guy to the next be patient, and if you're hearts not in it, then don't waist the time of these guys on here. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[franzfrucket1]

Yea I heard of them and like you I was one at one time to....and still kinda m.....but your right I should just be more patient and everything and wait for the right oppertunity to come along...in the mean time learn and read as much as I can so I dont go into a neat project ass backwards! Thanks!

Owen

[CalifCarl]

Hey I want to hear about your basketball. Where what and when.

[DrJ]

You live on a farm and don't have an engine?
Not a single field car or truck you can boost the drive train out of?

Wait a minute,
If you're tall enough to play serious ball you'll never fit in an old roadster anyway.. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[franzfrucket1]

First of all I dont think Carl was serious about hearing about my b-ball and Doc no we dont have anything like that the oldest thing we got carwise is my dads 1998 pickup....we used to have an awsome field truck that would be perfect but we sold it and the height is a problem but Im not lettin it get me down even though I find it hard to fit in my truck as is ha ha but yea I the roadster body is out cause I cant raise the money by the time the guy wants it....so right now Im just looking for a frame of anything I got a post up in the classifieds too but I figured I might as well mention it here to.

Thanks

Owen

[CalifCarl]

Owen there you go thinking again. I surely want to know about your basketball. My duaghters play and I have coached. A family friend played at Princeton and just got back from playing in Iceland. Yes I would love to hear what's up there.

[franzfrucket1]

Well alright Carl...I play for University Lake School in Hartland. I play center and I average about 5-10 points a game and tons of rebounds....we have a pretty bad record right now but still have tons more games to play. Havent gotten a technical yet for dunking but was close lol. I was funny when my coach told me to do that I asked him isnt that a bad thing? he said no it will freak out the other team so Idk lol I always get in foul trouble like within the first three minutes of my first game this yea I already had 4 fouls ha ha ha!

[slamchop]

Hey franzfrucket1,what kind of tools do you have access to?Metal tools,welders,etc.If your low on cash I got a solution for you.Make your own frame out of square stock.Its cheaper than buying an A frame,and theres no boxing.It cost me about $75 in materials,and its super strong.I can send you a (basic) set of plans if your interested.As far as the drivetrain dont bother on rebuilding that sbc,try callin some junk yards and find out what running eng/tranny combos they got.Try combos other than ford or chevy if the prices are kinda high,its usually the case because they are more sought after.Earlier the better,early 60's or late 50's.Olds,pontiac,y-block ford,any mopar,even studebaker.Try to get a package deal w/a rear end.Look up speedway motors for a catolog,they got good prices,and premade stuff like hangin that rear spring on the rear end etc.If you want to go real cheap look for any Jaguar in the junkyard and pull out the rear coil overs,theres usually four of them,and you only need two for the rear of any hotrod,and you wont see'em if your rides low.Look for bodys or peices of them and weld them together.Also as far as brakes look for any ford trucks in the junk yard from 1948-1959 those are pretty abundant.Look for any hotrod shop and go in and ask what they do with there old parts.Ive gone to shops and was given complete frontends out of 40's cars due to a customer wanting modern drivetrain.Remember build your first rod as a ratrod,time and imagination goes a long way without $$$$.Dont try to build the period perfect rod your first try,it wont happen.The fun part is gaining knowledge,meeting people,and starting your first build w/open headers. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[franzfrucket1]

Well I dont own those tools but a friend of mine does...but I dont think I could do it. To hard I wouldnt even know where to begin. Even with plans I wouldnt know what to do and your right I shouldnt try that at first but is so what I want to do but I guess I have to jump over a puddle before the whole lake....lol thanks man