chevy 4 cylinders

[capricekid]

I should know this, but what strait 4 cylinder engines came in the early sixties nova's? thanks
Lil Joe

[Fat Hack]

It's a 153 cubic inch motor. Was also used in marine applications for years. SBC valve covers fit it, and I believe some other mouse motor stuff may interchange as well.

Cool OHV bangers!! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[AHotRod]

Chevy 153 C.I.D. 4 cyl.
1962-1970
They are Cool !!!

[capricekid]

thank you!
Lil Joe

[Rude Dude]

I think General Motors sold patent and forging to volvo marine just like they did when they sold aluminum buick v8 block to brits rover

[fab32]

What head for the 4 cyl will accept the SBC valve cover. I used to drag race a '64 Nova wagon with a 153 c.i. 4 cyl.
Mine had a different valve train than a SB. Yes it was the familiar stamped rocker/ball arangement but the rocker ratio is like a 6 cyl., different from a v8. The valve cover is just like the 6 cyl. only shorter. Much deeper than a v8 cover.

Frank

[fab32]

Just remembered that there were some 4 cyl sprint car engines that used a small block head much modified. Is this the application for the SBC cover you were refering to?

Frank

[Fat ASS Whitewalls]

Those neat little engines were also put into US Mail Jeeps. I passed on one last summer for $75.00, I'm still kicking myself. Have you looked at S10 4 bangers? Some of those even have a 5spd hooked to them. Dean

[Rocky]

I worked for a company in Portland Oregon in the mid 70's that bought a boxcar load of damaged O.M.C. marine 4 banger engines and out-drive units. I got a great edumacation on chevy 4 bangers when I was elected to salvage as many of the banged up engines as possible. It seems the boxcar was part of a train that had derailed and there were several thousand gallons of house paint in the same boxcar when it went over. What a mess! We bought 23 engines and I was able to save 22 of 'em.
There were 120 hp and 140 hp models in the mix. The 120 hp versions were 153 cu.in. with 3&7/8ths bore. Valve sizes were standard chevy 1.72 intakes and 1.50 exhaust and the little engines had single barrel carbs.
The 140 hp version was really interesting. It had a 4" bore [used 327 pistons] and displacement was 158 cu. in. The cylinder head had 1.94 and 1.50 inch valves with a 2 barrel rochester carb. As far as I know, G.M. built these engines and sold 'em to OMC but you couldn't get the bigger engines in a production car to the best of my knowledge. That's the engine to get if you can find one...look for them at marine parts outlets and marine repair shops.

[Fat Hack]

Frank...I saw a picture somewhere of a 153 Chevy with one M/T small block Chevy valve cover on it. It was probably a modified motor, to be sure!

(Been a while since I've seen an actual stock 153 motor!)

[zman]

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Have you looked at S10 4 bangers? Some of those even have a 5spd hooked to them.

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The small one (1.6) is an Isuzu motor. I'm pretty sure the others are just corporate GM stuff.

[4t64rd]

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Those neat little engines were also put into US Mail Jeeps. I passed on one last summer for $75.00, I'm still kicking myself. Have you looked at S10 4 bangers? Some of those even have a 5spd hooked to them. Dean

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here's the info on what engines were in the postal jeeps:
DJ-3A (1955-64): Four cylinder L-head, three speed manual

DJ-5 (1965-67): Four cylinder L-head, three speed manual

DJ-5A (1968-70): Chevy four cylinder, Powerglide automatic

DJ-5B (1970-72): AMC 232 I-6, B-W T-35 three speed automatic

DJ-5C (1973-74): AMC 232 I-6, T-35 or M-11 automatic

DJ-5D (1975-76): AMC 232 I-6, 727 TorqueFlite automatic

DJ-5F (1977-78): AMC 232 I-6, or 258 I-6, TorqueFlite automatic

DJ-5G (1979): Audi 121 four cylinder, 904 TorqueFlite automatic

DJ-5L (1982): Chevy or Buick 151 four cylinder, Chrysler 904 transmission

CJ-8 (1984): Used in Alaska only 258 I-6, Chrysler 999 transmission

[choprods]

A real similar [if not same engine] was put in Chevy Monza's and Pontiac Sunbirds in the 80's.

[Unkl Ian]

I seem to remember the Midget guys ran the Chevy II motors,probably early '70s.
Some of them ran a V8 cylinder head,don't know what had to be modified..
Gaerte now makes an Aluminum 4 cylinder to accept a V8 head.Very Pricey.
http://www.gaerteengines.com/photos/engines/4cyl.jpg


How does the original Chevy II motor compare to the later Iron Duke 4 banger?

[Rocky]

I gotta amend my OMC marine engine story a little. The 4" bore engines were 181 cu in. not 158...sorry. The memory fades in and out sometimes. {I knew there was an 8 in there]

[fordnutz]

I am running one in my T-tub. 65 Chevy van 153 cube, punched 60 over with a shaved head. Mercury marine valve cover and side covers. Turbo 350 behind it. Don't know what it goes like yet. Hopefully next summer.

[hotrodA]

Here's one you can start with...... 153 chevy (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33615&item=2449184 907)

[Rocket88]

fordnutz, that looks killer! Finally a true iron duke!
All the later versions (S10, Amc, Pontiac etc.) are mere posers!

[Model A Vette]

The ChevyII 4 banger had 283 pistons (and bore) but a longer stroke (3 1/4 I think) than the 283 giving it 153 cubes. The later Iron Duke was offered first in Pontiac Astros, the Pontiac version of the Vega. Originally it had a non-crossflow head. The bore was different from the ChevyII's 3 7/8 bore. I think the bore was 4" and the stroke 3" on the Duke, giving it 151 cubes.. In 1979 Pontiac went to a crossflow head (exhaust and intake on opposite sides of the head). I think this was done so the engine could be used in the then new 80 (actually'79 1/2) FWD cars. The Iron Dukes, in Astro's, and later in Monza's, had the same bellhousing pattern as SBC V8's. The ones in FWD cars and non-Monza style RWD cars and trucks (S10's, etc) had the pattern used on the FWD cars, i.e. a smaller patttern. Pontiac developed a bunch of race parts for the later Dukes. They had special heads, blocks, cranks, etc. I think they had visions of "race" Fieros.

[fordnutz]

Rocket 88. The 153 is not the iron duke as model A Vette has explained. These were the shakey ll motors. So called because they did not idle smooth. The duke was the new improved 151 cube version. You should be able to see it when I am in the Vancouver area ( Mission ) next July with it for my daughter's wedding. I usually try to make it by the Java Hut in Langley for the cruise in while I am out there. Nutz

[Fat Hack]

Looking at some pictures of a 153 motor, is it not a shorter version of the 194 six cylinder?

It sure looks that way to me...and both engines hit the market at about the same time (1962, I believe) in the Chevy II, that would come to be known as the Nova.

The side cover design, front of the engine, head shape, etc all look alot like a 194-250 motor to me!

Anyone know if this is the case??

[porknbeaner]

Vette,
the later Duke has almost as many speed parts as the small block. Both after market and factory. Some small block pieces are adaptable, as are some of the V-6 pieces.
Around here they have a roundy round class called Ponystock (they use the small bodies like sunbirds, etc) the GM bunch uses the Duke. I've gone out to watch 'em run and they are some scorchers.
Don't know about the earlier Duke but the later (S-10) were gear drive from the factory. I've seen straight cut gears for 'em at the roundy round place real cheap.
Here's another little tidbit I got from Dale Wilch. Half a set of hilborn injectors for a small block Poncho is perfect. So get two, round up a buddy and get the Hilborn setup and both of you can go racin. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Super88]

Here's a marine version in a track-t

[Super88]

And another

[Fat Hack]

Okay...so where do I find one of these motors??? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

(The distributor placement, manifold design, front of the engine...all has me convinced it's just a short 194 six banger...oughtta be plenty reliable...if not fast!)

[fordnutz]

Go back in the post to hot rod A he has a link to one on ebay rite now.

[Model A Vette]

FatHack-
The 153 was indeed a short version of the 194. The oil pump, timing gears and a few other parts were interchangable. I rebuilt the one in my 62 Chevy II, back in 1973, using 283 pistons. According to TRW the pistons were the same. I have a 153 sitting in my garage in Virginia. I bought it years ago at the Nats East in York. I could never ID what it came out of, but from the date code I think it must have been a postal vehicle. The 153s in ChevyIIs came with 1bbl carbs and manual choke. I think some of the ones in truck versions came with small 2bbl carbs. The one in my old Chevy II was one of the best engines I ever owned - thats why I bought the one I have now. I think they look great in a Track T or other small car. They would probably be a good swap into an old British 4 cyl car. A 153 and a 5sp would make an old MG fly!
The easiest (and best IMHO) 4 cyl of this type to find would be the ones in Monzas and clones from 1979-80. These are 151's with crossflow heads. They have rear sump oil pans, HEI ign and old style SBC bellhousing patterns. They usually have progressive 2bbl carbs on aluminum manifolds. The manifolds can be modified to mount other carbs. You can usually score a whole car for about $50.

[CTFuzz]

Is the Monza motor OHC or push rod like the early style??

CT.

[Fat Hack]

The Monza 151 engine is an overhead valve pushrod motor.

Thanks for the confirmation, ModelAVette!!

[Fat ASS Whitewalls]

Here's my version. It's out of a 59 Opel. Looks like a Chevy 11, but it's not. Distributer location, side cover size, and starter location are different. Did GM own Opel in 59? Dean

[Fat ASS Whitewalls]

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[29EHV8]

Does anyone know of any speed equipment that was made for these lil mills?Has anyone seen an aftermarket intake?I'm lookin for one.
Fab32 what did you run in your lil mill?Intake?
Thanx.....Shiny

[atch]

29,

i don't have anything you're needing, but you shouldn't have to look very far. these were the engine of choice for several years on the roundy-round midget circuit. there were all kinds of goodies for them.

[Model A Vette]

Shiny- Clifford made an intake for the Chevy 153. Holley made one for the 151 Iron Duke and may have made one for the 153. If you use a Monza intake (151) with crossflow head the stock intake can be modified to take different carbs.

[TomH]

Here is an `80 monza I am using in `26 mod. It used the same belhousing as sbc. I made a carb adapter to get rid of the egr valve and install a small base rodchester.

[Model A Vette]

Tom- That's the manifold I was writing about. Pretty easy to adapt a carb.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Is that intake manifold aluminum ?

[capricekid]

Those engine are so cool. I need to find one around here.
Lil Joe

[Bigcheese327]

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Did GM own Opel in 59?

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I'm not certain, but I think they did. For one thing I have a WWII-vintage picture of my grandfather's reclaimed German staff car "KCII" which he labeled in a letter to my grandmother "Car is an Opel, German version of GM." Also, I know that imports were sold in the sixties through Buick dealerships.

[TomH]

Model A Vette , yup all you need is a piece of aluminum. I have access to an overhead mill which helps, but I sure you could use a drill press.

[RustyPile]

In 1964-66, I was in the U.S. Army, stationed in Germany.. During my tour, I owned a 1957 Opel Rekord.. Looked like a shrunken '53 Chevy, slightly smaller than a Chevy II.. If GM didn't own Opel, they sure slept in the same bed.. My Opel had a 4 cyl. 153 cu. in. engine in it.. Only difference between it and the Chevy II engine was the Opel's valve cover had "Opel" emboised on the top..

[29EHV8]

TomH,that thing looks kill.I don't know what to do.I have this deal on this chevy II 153,but can't find an intake.But it has tons of kill speed parts,cam,pistons etc.Hmmm.
My stepkid has a monza with a 151 and a 4 speed sagi I can get for piss all.What do the 151s sound and go like when done up?......Shiny

[fordnutz]

Shiney, the 151 is supposed to be a better engine. They took the rough idle out of the old 153 that I have. I think parts are easier to find too. Nutz

[noboD]

capricekid, I think the Chevy II motor with a small block valve cover actually had a SBC head on it. They were called SESCOs, stands for South East Speed Co. if I remember it right. They were in lots of midget race cars. I found several sites a few weeks ago about them. Try EMMR, Eastern Museum of Motor Racing. They have a great site, someone might be able to hook you up.

[fab32]

29ehv8, We raced our little 4dr. wagon in O/S (stock). It was a blast, had a 3spd. stick and open 3.73 rearend. I made the 4 into 1 header.
We named the car the ORIGIONAL 427 CHEVY. I had a partner and the name stood for 4cyl, 2 owners, 7 hp. We used to let anyone who wanted take it for a lap down the 1/4 mile. It was the perfect car to do like SamIam talked about doing with the BFD. You couldn't get hurt and it let a lot of people who had never driven a drag car see what it was like.
I used to joke that it was the lunch break car. You launched, grabbed 2nd, had a sandwich, shifted into 3rd, and washed the sandwich down with a coke while you waited for the finish line to come up.

Frank

[fab32]

As far as an intake goes, if you look at the stoch intake you'll see that one could be fabed up with not a lot of work. I always wanted to do that and use a couple of small side drafts or a 2bbl sidedraft. You could have the air intake coming out the side of the hood ( if you ran one) might look a little like an old Offy (only with a LOT less HP). You could also make your own valve cover and really have 'em scratching their heads.

Frank

[**DONOTDELETE**]

fab32.....we think alike. That's why I asked if the stock 151 intake was aluminum. I'm thinking a couple of small side-drafts for mine. It would be an easy deal to fab up.

[CTFuzz]

Don't forget about the old Harley Linkert carbs. I put one on a old A motor years ago...ran great. I don't see why two won't work on a Chevy banger. They are side draft, solid brass with alum. float bowl(I have some brass bowls from Indians) and they are very adjustible. Come in many different sizes too as they came on 45", 55",61", 74" and80" motors.

CT.

[dixiedog]

fab32 & SJ - what about using some harley sidedrafts?

If I remember right they are 39mm and fit a 80ci so 2 would work or maybe 4 with a restrictor plate?

If you go with 2 use a ironhead sportster style intake with the band type coupling that would look pretty cool, imho.

Back in the evo days guys would love to get rid of there stock carbs and go with an S&S, might be plentiful.

[dixiedog]

CT - that's funny we were typing the same idea

[CTFuzz]

Dog, like you said, the later Harley carbs should work really well, but I like the looks of the early carbs. What do they say about great minds..? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

CT.

[Rocknrod]

Hmm! Do these 4 bangers hook up to Corvair transaxles? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[The Rocketeer]

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Did GM own Opel in 59?

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I'm not certain, but I think they did. For one thing I have a WWII-vintage picture of my grandfather's reclaimed German staff car "KCII" which he labeled in a letter to my grandmother "Car is an Opel, German version of GM." Also, I know that imports were sold in the sixties through Buick dealerships.
GM merged with Opel in 1929 after the black friday.
...still together now, hope both survive !
btw the Opel Rekord from 1963 to 65 looked like a chevy II from 62.
It had the 1.7 litre 4 banger with 103 cu.i. which looked a lot like the 153.

http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://motorclassic.at/user/admin/opel_rekord.jpg&imgrefurl=http://motorclassic.at/blog.php%3Ftheme%3D1180970033&usg=__kEWFn-WQ7Qo0bHoHNglJFPGkmF4=&h=375&w=500&sz=36&hl=de&start=1&um=1&tbnid=6oNmy34EOTLKfM:&tbnh=98&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dopel%2Brekord%2BA%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dde% 26sa%3DN

[Dirtynails]

And a SBC powered version too. The Opel Diplomat.5.4 L V8
http://www.autoholic.de/images/resized/Opel-Diplomat-5-2C4-V8-fv6T.jpg

Imagine paying the german road tax on that!.

[R Pope]

I built a ram log manifold for my CII in a bucket. Two Volvo SU's and a 4 into 1 header. The plenum is a section of the 2X3 tubing left over from the car's frame. Have some issues with one carb sticking, but boy, it sounds sweet when I rev it in the shop, makes the windows rattle!

[JohnnyFast]

Here's my backup Iron Duke (151 cu. in./2.5L) from a '79 Monza with a T-50 5-speed behind it. Note the cross-flow head. The 153 Chevy II doesn't have that. Also, the 151 has a 4" bore and 3" stroke. The 153 has a 3 7/8" bore and a 3 1/4" stroke.

I built an aluminum intake to accept a 40mm Weber carb and I got this far on a lakes-style header.

[JohnnyFast]

The engine in my modified is also an Iron Duke but it's a later version, probably from an 80's S-10. There's a 350 Turbo behind it. It has a Holley 350cfm 2bbl on an Offenhauser intake. There's a similar header on the driver's side.

I'm very happy with these engines.

[Weasel]

Frank...I saw a picture somewhere of a 153 Chevy with one M/T small block Chevy valve cover on it. It was probably a modified motor, to be sure!

(Been a while since I've seen an actual stock 153 motor!)
Is this the kind of thing you're looking for?

http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr68/lyinweasel/IMG_5988.jpg

http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr68/lyinweasel/IMG_5987.jpg

[pasadenahotrod]

The Opel sold at Buick dealers in the 60s was the German car (remember the original Mako Shark Corvette, a little number called the Opel GT?) but later in the 80s was NOT the German car but rather an Oriental POS tagged as Opel which died after just 2 years or so.
Opels are currently imported and sold as Saturns, and perhaps othe GM makes as well.

[tdoty]

Opels are currently imported and sold as Saturns

"Saturn: A different kind of car, a different kind of car company" Or maybe not.

Tim D.

[Customline Vicky]

I've got an '01 Sunfire with a pushrod 2.2. What is that little piece of shit? It ain't got enough power to pull a greasy noodle out of a whores ass ...

[TDC]

As a few others have posted this was a popular engine for Midgets. Here are two pics I have of some of the stuff EVM built.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e58/JVett/EVMchevy2.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e58/JVett/Jan66EightPortHeadforChev-11.jpg

Josh

[29EHV8]

Lets see some pics of some of these Chevy II / mercruiser bangers...

-Shiny

[zuzulo56]

Shiny- Clifford made an intake for the Chevy 153. Holley made one for the 151 Iron Duke and may have made one for the 153. If you use a Monza intake (151) with crossflow head the stock intake can be modified to take different carbs.

Did any of these 153's find themselves in midget race machines...how successful were they? Our '62 Chevy II SW has the 194, but(t) I often wished it had the smaller puppy. The wife is the stereotypical "Little Olde Lady From Pasadena" & never hits the freeways...or goes over 45 mph.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jEjF2Qk5PA