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BigJim394
12-12-2003, 01:28 PM
This is from the Quincy Mass newspaper (The Patriot Ledger), and while about a chopper project, could apply to a rod built ground up from parts:


DREAM BIKE A NIGHTMARE SITUATION: State rules keep custom-built chopper off the road



By ROBERT SEARS
The Patriot Ledger

WEYMOUTH - In the best tradition of the popular American Chopper TV show mechanic, Bruce Hanson has built his dream bike, but says strict state vehicle title rules have stopped his chrome and candy-apple red labor of love dead in its tracks.

I was ready to tear it apart piece by piece and sell off all the parts back on eBay, a frustrated Hanson said after a trip to the Registry of Motor Vehicles salvage title inspection station in Bridgewater.

The Registry denied him a title because Hanson, while able to provide sales receipts for all of the bike parts to prove they weren't stolen, was unable to get the vendors to provide similar documentation.

The Registry wanted proof of purchase not only from him, but from the companies and people who sold him parts.

Part of the problem is that many of his parts were bought on eBay and on the Internet.

You can't get proper documentation on parts from eBay, State Police Sgt. Matthew Palermo, who is in charge of the salvage-title inspection station at Bridgewater, said.

Hanson, 50, owner of Un-Limited Auto Service, has been riding motorcycles since his teens, and he says his long, low chopper, the first bike he has built, rides like a dream.

I put my repair plate on one day and took it for a blast. It's great. It just is everything I thought it was going to be. It handles nice. It's got more power than I ever wanted. It's not something I'd drive every day, but it's nice to have it there, he said.

State Police say the title rules are in place to discourage the sale and use of stolen parts on home-built vehicles like Hanson's bike, component cars and rebuilt salvage vehicles.

I can understand that, but I think they've really gone overboard, Hanson said.

He knew he would have to show receipts for the parts he used before the state would issue him a title and a vehicle identification number.

I bought everything for that bike piece by piece. I tried to keep everything in order. I even categorized and alphabetized them and numbered each receipt with my own system, he said.

He didn't know he would also have to come up with receipts showing where about a dozen vendors from whom he bought parts obtained the items.

He has sunk more than $15,000 into the bike.

Without the vendor documentation, parts including the chrome wheels and tires, all of the brake components, horn, foot pegs, exhaust pipes, oil tank, handlebars and rear fender were unacceptable, Hanson said.

All of the parts on the chopper are available through Harley-Davidson, but I got everything after market, because they would cost more from Harley, Hanson said.

Anything that was bought from a private party forget about it. You can't use them at all, he said.

I can certainly understand the reasoning behind some of this, but I think it's really extreme in this case, he said.

Hanson had certificates of origin for the motorcycle's three major components, the frame, engine and transmission. The inspector was fine with these, he said.

Ninety percent of the approximately 100 custom-built motorcycles like Hanson's that are inspected at Bridgewater each year get titles, Palermo said.

Professional custom-bike builders generally know from experience what kind of documentation is required. It's your average Joe who needs guidance, he said.

Palermo suggests that people leave their bikes at home and bring all of their part documentation to an inspection station to determine if anything more is needed.

Parts for which receipts must show who supplied the vendors include speedometers, mufflers, mirrors, seats, wheels, tires, fenders and decorative items, head and tail lights, and directional signals.

When most people come back with their bike, if they fail to get a title it's usually not because of any problem with their paperwork, Palermo said.

If people like Hanson have most of their documentation in order, inspectors are willing to bend a little, he said.

Palermo said anyone planning to build a bike should pick up a copy of the documentation requirements at one of the state's six inspection sites. They can also call 617-351-9065.


Transmitted Friday, December 12, 2003

delaware george
12-12-2003, 01:33 PM
that kind of shit makes me terribly angry...just another example of the government trying to wreck the working mans dreams

Tim
12-12-2003, 01:47 PM
couldnt you get a title for it before its driving with just motor frame ect and then when its driveable with all the stuff you cant find receits for go get it inspected and get tags?

its a shity situation, i know of ppl buying an extra bike just so they can take the vin ect for the project so they dont have to go threw that crap stated above

truth
12-12-2003, 01:50 PM
Yeah, it's pretty hardcore out here. Even if you have the receipts and MSO for the frame/engine, and major components, some registry pricks will want receipts for practically EVERY component on the bike.

We've had to use title services, like ITS before to get bikes registered. It's a lot easier, but I think that registries are getting hip to that.

truth
12-12-2003, 02:05 PM
Here's some other ways to deal with this, besides using a title service:

Make friends with someone in New Hampshire or any other state where the DMV aren't such nazis. "Sell" them the bike, let them register it (NH doesnt need titles on old bikes/cars), and then "buy" the vehicle back from them. A registration from a state that doesnt require titles on old vehicles will act as a title in MA. Go to the registry with the bill of sale and registration and you should be all set.

Always be sure that the #'s on your car or bike are clean before you do all this, actually before you even buy a used vehicle with no title or registration you should run the #'s. If it's hot, it'll go straight to impound. Bike and car thieves are the scum of the earth...it sucks that we have to jump through hoops to get our old whips on the road because of these assholes!

Gr8ballsofir
12-12-2003, 05:04 PM
Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? Shouldn't the State have to prove the parts were stolen and not the other way around?

safariknut
12-12-2003, 05:56 PM
One of the reasons I don't live in Massachusetts anymore:A place where the"Registrar"(Commissar)of Motor Vehicles can conceivably decide to outlaw driving a certain type of vehicle on a specific day of the week and make what is known as a,"Registrar's Ruling" and it will happen until he is replaced by another dictator who can make some equally stupid ruling.
Then you have the infamous,"Excise tax" and a dozen other ways to separate you from your hard-earned dollars while murderers get drunk every day at the Harvard Club and tell everyone how much they are for"the little guy" and on and on.............

286merc
12-12-2003, 08:08 PM
AMEN on the friend or relative in NH, it is done all the time.
Any MV 1988 or older is title exempt. Starting 1/1/2004 it will be 1989 and advances every year.

For a homemade I'd check with DMV first but an easier option is to select a year that it most looks like. Thats how T Buckets do it, just register as a 23 and have the state issue a new VIN. Or stamp on your own.http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

No need to get a cop to do the inspection up here, any garage that is an inspection station can do it.
Heck, I just took in the glove box door (VIN is mounted on the inside) to get my signed piece of paper for the F350!

The T is on A rails. I wound up taking a VIN off a scrap T frame a friend had and used those metal stamps that look 100% original. Filled in the A VIN.

Sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do. I think that came from Yogi Berra.