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Drewfus
12-10-2003, 05:35 PM
Holes equal speed……HOLE FLARE DIE

Ages ago, here on the HAMB, we talked about holes. Holes in the chassis, holes in panels, sheet metal, holes here, there, and everywhere…..

Naturally, this got my mind ticking, how, and where could I apply a few holes to my 28 r/p/u in a tasteful, but effective manner. Keeping this in mind, I started looking at other peoples examples, from race cars, to brand new cars, even to aeroplanes and the like. With my mind wandering, I started to notice a few trends, especially on the newer cars, in particular to sizing, and their ‘flairing’. To cut down on some of my ramblings I’ll get to the point, I decided that I could effectively use 2 core sizes of holes, ¾” and 1 ¼”, both of which would have a flare that is approximately 15 degrees(this is important, I’ll explain later), by approx. 3/8” in width.

We’ve all seen fancy dies, toss them a elaborate press, and off you go………..unfortunately I don’t have that luxury. So, I had to create a cheap and easy method to get the flair, without breaking the bank. Using a 4” long piece of 2” solid bar, the following details will explain the basic process I used to create the dies.

The female die
Firstly, I drilled a 10.8mm hole through the centre.
In an effort to make 2 dies from the one bit of bar, I machined a female taper to both ends, the angle was approx. 30 degrees(from square to the centre line), with the O.D. of each taper being 46mm(for the 1 ¼” hole), and 33mm (for the ¾” hole).
I then tapped a ½” UNC thread through the centre (because that’s what I had closest to hand, a UNF thread, or a larger bolt size would be better if handy).

The male die
From an off cut of the 2” bar, I machined a ½” hole through the centre (to match the bolt), and machined a large chamfer at approximately 15 degrees (any bigger of an angle and you will have difficulty in ‘nicely’ flaring the hole, at least by hand anyway…..

See pic…….

delaware george
12-10-2003, 05:54 PM
cool...lets see some of the results http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

OGNC
12-10-2003, 06:10 PM
Hate to break the news to you but here in America they're called dimple dies and you can buy them from just about any off-road shop. www.kartek.com (http://www.kartek.com) sells this set
http://www.kartek.com/prod-windows/all/fab/dimpledie-kit.jpg

on their fabrication parts page. They also have a butt load of really cool brackets, bushings and specialty tools here is the link (http://www.kartek.com/products/all/fab/fab.htm) .

injectedA
12-10-2003, 06:28 PM
Glad you posted the link O. Informs us of the cost if you wanna pay. Now I know time and materials is a hell of a lot cheaper than 220.00.

Drewfus
12-10-2003, 06:36 PM
1. Sorry, computer keeps crashing. Here's a bit more....

2. mmmm, like the dimples, wish I had have seen them before.....

back to the story line.....

Using a piece of scrap for a trial run, in this case, some 20 gauge (0.94mm) 316 Stainless steel, with a 1 ¼” hole.

See pic ………(30903015)

Drewfus
12-10-2003, 06:43 PM
The key details to remember, the bolt through the centre is used to apply an equal and uniform pressure between the dies, and the male die is used to centre the core hole, before you begin to flare the material.

See pic……..(300903016)

Drewfus
12-10-2003, 06:45 PM
Using either a ring spanner or ratchet, slowly wind the bolt into the dies. You will also note that I’ve applied a heap of wd-40 to lubricate, and to reduce any marking/scratching of the die onto the Stainless Steel plate.

See pic………(300903017)

Drewfus
12-10-2003, 06:47 PM
As another point, be aware that the pressure applied with the dies will also want to deform the metal plate, so please don’t expect a perfectly flat surface on the end product, although this can be minimized if you fold the plate close to the hole (see the last photo).

See pic ………(30090318)

Drewfus
12-10-2003, 06:49 PM
The last 2 photo’s will show you my end product, firstly the trial plate……….

See pic ……….(oles001)

gears-n-grease
12-10-2003, 07:31 PM
great post -now I can finally use that turret punch for something cool

Machinos
12-10-2003, 07:57 PM
Zey are speed holes, zey make ze car go faster!

Drewfus
12-11-2003, 12:50 AM
Then a preview to the final product, the holes in the rear of my 316 S.S. pickup bed for my ’28 r/p/u.

The die is a simple little thing which works well, cheap to make, and easy to use, and best of all, gets neat and professional results.

This has been another ‘So-cheap’ production.

Cheers,

Drewfus (So-What Speed Shop Australian Annex)

autocol
12-11-2003, 03:46 AM
i was wondering when these photos were going to land on the hamb... did your work loosen up on the computer rules a bit? or you being naughty? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Petejoe
12-11-2003, 07:52 AM
Great post! And very creative, professional looking work.
Can't beat cheap and using all available materials. Thanks

flt-blk
12-11-2003, 09:04 AM
Great Idea, I did something similar on a much smaller scale to flare some holes in a bracket.

Have you thought about making a sholder on the make die with a matching Counter bore in the female to help center / align the workpiece?
TZ

Brootal
12-14-2003, 05:42 PM
Won't all the stuff fall out of the pickup bed??

Drewfus
12-14-2003, 08:43 PM
Broot, don't worry, the tail light will hold everything in place http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Centering, spigot idea, point taken. Although, I found that if you were careful when you first applied the pressure, the centering turned out really good and consistant.

Total cost, $5 for scrap steel, 2 hours labour to make.

Cheers,

Drewfus http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

AHotRod
10-15-2006, 06:45 PM
Drufus,
Any new updates on your RPU ?

striper
10-15-2006, 07:08 PM
Drufus,
Any new updates on your RPU ?

Was wondering the same thing.

When I read your title I was thinking I had the fastest set of sill panels on the planet. Good tech anyway.

Pete

Roothawg
10-15-2006, 07:24 PM
We use a hydraulic press and some home made dies we spun on a lathe. I like your idea though.

Psychobilly Boi
10-15-2006, 08:02 PM
hey champ,

love it! looks killer!

danny

Drewfus
10-15-2006, 08:33 PM
Talk about digging up an old thread Glenn:)

Sadly, not much has been touched, as I've allowed myself to become distracted with HAMBsters and family, so everything else has been basically put on hold.

Hopefully will have a clean up over christmas, move the car to it's new shed at my house, and get back into finishing it.....or at least getting it functional:D

Just to refresh, currently has a 4 banger in it, which will get replaced with the HAMBster engine (8ba with a lazy 4/71:D ) later on down the track, although the idea has been considered more than once to use that other block of steel since it's sitting there doing nothing at the moment...

Cheers,

Drewfus:D