Chet Herbert's Deuce sedan

[4eva4banger]

Okay here is one of today's questions

Chet Herberts chopped and slightly channeled 32 Ford Deuce four door sedan. It was a hiboy with a Jimmy motor in it and set up for hand controls etc as Chet was in a wheel chair. Later it ran a set back V8.

Where is this car now?

Does anyone have any neat pictures or copies of magazine articles?

[rickyracer1962]

you ask more questions than 50 cent.

[4eva4banger]

I saw a pic of that car this morning and have always liked it

[55olds88]

Have they run outa things for you to do at work Greg ?
Dunno about that car but I got some pretty good pics of Doug Herberts dragster at Sears Point about 13 years ago.....

[4eva4banger]

I started at 1am so I just flaot between here and work. I note you have been flaoting on here a little of late. How is it all anyway?

[50Fraud]

I don't know where it's been since the early '60s, but at that time it had a radically setback flattie and was owned by Billy Gray (kid TV actor on Father Knows Best, with a second career as a Class A Speedway bike racer).

Not much help in answer to your question, I realize, but possibly interesting to somebody. That was a neat car.

It had features in both Hop Up and HRM (with Rex Burnett cutaway) in the early '50s, when it was still Chet's car.

[4eva4banger]

Well I didnt know that. Thanks for the info. I have seen the Hop Up reprint but not the Hot Rod mag

[50Fraud]

4eva4banger, I gather that you're a young guy, but you have clearly done your homework well. You ask a lot of interesting questions about very interesting cars. Your taste appears to be excellent.

What is your own ride?

[4eva4banger]

Thank you 50fraud. I am 23 and I have built a 29 closed cab Model A pick up with a banger motor and a T5 trans. It runs a z'd frame and no fenders. 16" steelies on 5.50 and 7.50 Firestones, dropped Model A axle, hydraulic drum brakes all round and left hand drive.

How about you? WHat have you got?

[lurker mick]

Greg, here is some pics from the march '52 issue of Hot Rod and the Rex Burnett cut away drawing from that issue.

[lurker mick]

The Burnett cut away.

[lurker mick]

As you probably know, before Chet built the sedan, he ran fuel Harleys, here is one.

i agree with 50 Fraud, you ask questions about some great cars, keep it up!

[lurker mick]

Of interest on the sedan, it was set up to run on Butane with a special injection set up for alcohol.

The GMC was 296 c.i. and had a Buick Dynaflow tranny.

Mick

[4eva4banger]

Thanks for the images from HOT ROD. I was not aware of the fuel Harleys though. Thanks for the kind words.

[Bass]

Lurker Mick is the man....I wish I knew 1/10th of what he does about customs.

Glad to see you on here, stop lurking so much and post more!

[50Fraud]

Thanks to Mick for posting the HRM article, sparing me from finding it.

4eva4banger, answering your question, I drive this

[50Fraud]

and this

[50Fraud]

and this. Will you show us a picture of your truck?

[Lowlife]

Jesus 50Fraud,ever have any moments of indecision?NICE rides,I think I'm gonna have to go with the 36!

[Rocky]

50 Fraud......a rear 3/4 photo of your pickup is my screen saver at work...greets me every morning and flat cheers me up for the day.
I've always wanted to build a 50 fraud myself but I wanna confuse the issue a little more by using 50 crestliner trim. A lift-off top is a possibility too but it'd take about 4 guys to lift it off and on.
You gots nice stuff. Black is beautiful.

[oldandkrusty]

OK 4eva, you got me on this one. I never knew that Chet Herbert had a deuce 4-dr. powered by an inliner- on butane no less! I am going to talk to a bunch of the guys I hang with here in Rochester. We call ourselves the "Gimps and Geezers" for obvious reasons. You know more trivia than all of us put together (mostly 'cause we can't remember shit). But, I think you should be an honorary member that we could contact when one of those senior moments hits. We'll promise not to call if we get lost two blocks from our home. Perhaps, you could represent us as an affiliate-we could refer to you as the"G&G-Southern Group" Way South!!!

[oldandkrusty]

Oooooops, almost forgot! How about showing us a pic of your A-bone. Sure would like to see it.

[4eva4banger]

50fraud you got quite a fleet! Very impressive. I like them all! What are they running.

O&K thank you again, I would honoured to be a member of your group!

I will try this photo thing

[burger]

4eva4 -- do you have any more/bigger pics of your truck? looks pretty cool to me.


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[NealinCA]

50Fraud - Question on your 36.

What kind of wheels are you running? I doesn't look like they are scalloped. I have some 39 3/4 ton wheels that are not scalloped, but they still have four vents. Yours look solid.

Are those 38 std caps?

I like your taste in vehicles. Very nice.

Neal

[4eva4banger]

50frauds cars look right on! I have trouble loading pics on here. I might know my stuff about old cars but these computors can still be a challenge for this kid!

[50Fraud]

Thanks Lowlife, Rocky, 4eva4, and Neal for the compliments.

4eva4: I like your truck, and I like the photo. The corrugated building is a great background for it. Have you seen Keith Weesner's chopped '29?

Shoebox - ZZ3, 700R4, Nova clip
'36 - blown 292 inch flathead, early Ford running gear
'34 truck - 265 that was in the '36 when I bought it, otherwise all early Ford

NealinCA: My rims are the same as yours (they have 4 slots), although the rears have been widened to 7". I thought the hubcaps were '39 Standard, but you could well be right. Hardly anybody uses '38-'39 caps, so I've never been quite sure.

[4eva4banger]

50fraud, thanks. Keith Weesners truck was quite an influence! It is now in Japan.

[NealinCA]

Sorry for hijacking your thread, 4eva4...

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I thought the hubcaps were '39 Standard, but you could well be right. Hardly anybody uses '38-'39 caps, so I've never been quite sure.

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To my knowledge this is a 38 Std:

http://photo.starblvd.net/~NealinCA/2-4-1.jpg

And these are 39 Std's:

http://photo.starblvd.net/~NealinCA/2-4-2.jpg

I have a set of the 39's, but I really like the long V-8 on the 38's.

Do you have any close-up pics of the wheels on your 36? Front or rear.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programing.

Neal

[4eva4banger]

Hey no problem - its all good!

I will be running 39 Deluxe wheels on my next project

[50Fraud]

NealinCA, if your ID is correct, mine are '38s. There is another variety of wide-5 hubcap with the same V8 logo as these, but a much larger stainless center, leaving a painted ring around the outside that is only 1"+ wide. I had thought that they were '38s, and that the smaller ones were '39s. The big ones are very rust-prone, and I have found almost none that are useable. I thought the ones you identify as '39s were aftermarket (well, I have some of that design that I know are aftermarket, but they may just have knocked Ford off).

I do have a picture of the wheel, but it's on my computer at home. I'll post one later today.

[NealinCA]

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There is another variety of wide-5 hubcap with the same V8 logo as these, but a much larger stainless center, leaving a painted ring around the outside that is only 1"+ wide.

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The "bell-shaped" ones are 38 Deluxe.

I just looked up in a Early Ford V8 club book on 38/39 Fords. They show the hubcaps like yours as 38 Std and the ones with the smaller, bulkier V8 as 39 std. I do agree that you see an awful lot of the aftermarket, chrome hubcaps in the 39 std style.

Neal

[Dirk]

There is a great shot of Chet's car in the new Rodders Journal. It is in an article for a best of Rod and Custom book they are doing.

Say is was in the june '55 R & C and was then owned by Lonnie Askin with a flathead in place of the 6.

[4eva4banger]

Cant wait to see the latest Rodders Journal

[50Fraud]

4eva4, please pardon this digression.

NealinCA, thanks for clarifying the '38/'39 distinction. Here's a picture of a stock width (16x5) 3/4 ton wheel with the '38 cap. Although they're hard to see, there are five (oops, not 4) slots:

[50Fraud]

...and here's another, widened to 7". Amazing how the cap appears to be a different color, huh?

[NealinCA]

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Amazing how the cap appears to be a different color, huh?

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Yeah, what is up with that? I take it you made a change.

I do like those wheels. Do many people notice the lack of scallops?

Thanks for the pics.

Neal

[50Fraud]

Just funnin'. Yeah, I decided to repaint the black part of the caps in maroon, and shot the pictures so I could compare them side-by-side. I haven't yet repainted all the caps as I haven't finished taking out the dings.

No, hardly anybody notices, but I like them much better than the passenger car wheels. They are rare! I looked for them for more than a year, finally running an ad in the Early V-8 Times, and had the amazing good luck to find a set of 4 NOS in PA!