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Rocky
12-08-2003, 09:37 PM
This is certainly not an original idea by any means but I got a chance to use this trick last night, The neighbor kid bought my old Fiero and took the cracked head off to replace it a few days ago. He snapped off one of the head bolts about 1/4 inch down in the hole. His dad helped him drill the bolt to about 3/16" and promptly busted off their easy-out in the teeny hole.. He came to me for help and I made him help me roll my wire feed over to his place, down a cracked sidewalk. My welding cart is an old cast-off hospital cart with hard plastic wheels about 2" in diameter.
I cleaned the area with spray carb cleaner and used a clean towel to dry it...I sat a 5/8ths flat washer over the broken off bolt and with the welder turned on high, I welded down through the washer hole to the top of the broken off bolt...before it could cool down much, I sat a 5/8ths nut [uses a 15/16ths wrench] on the washer and welded around the outside edge of the nut, welding it to the washer. Then I quickly welded down through the center of it, starting in the middle and working around the edges and back to the middle etc etc. I continued to weld until I had weld all the way to the top of the nut. By now, the nut/washer was red-hot and I let it cool until the red color was almost gone. That time lets the heat go down through the broken bolt, all the way to the bottom. When the red was almost gone, I reached deftly into my back pocket to retrieve my trusty 15/16ths combination end wrench and put the "guns" to it. That busted bolt turned right outa there, causing the 16 year old owner of the Fiero to go into promises of free diet Dr Pepper for me for life etc etc... After he had helped me roll the balky, clumsy welder cart back to my house he still couldn't believe how simple the process was...
Nuttin to it if ya got a welder.
If the bolt is broken off 1/2" or less in the hole, this works. The flat-washer is the secret to success with this TECH TIP.....[TM] Jeese, wish I'd have brought along the camera. With photos, this might be in the runnning for a winning HAMB tech-tip.

kustumizer
12-08-2003, 09:46 PM
Thats a really kool tip ill have to keep it in mind if it ever happens around here!! Thanx Nate

burndup
12-08-2003, 09:53 PM
So, does the carb cleaner keep you from welding the snapped-off bolt, washer, nut, and BLOCK all together? Or is it just a metallurgical incompatibility with the iron?

Thanks,
J

Rocky
12-08-2003, 09:57 PM
The carb cleaner simply cleans the area so the weld will stick to clean metal. No hokus pokus metalurgy involved here.

Rocknrod
12-08-2003, 09:58 PM
Oh sweet!

I like this tech tip... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

AHotRod
12-08-2003, 09:59 PM
Rocky...your a Hero again!

Glenn

Rocky
12-08-2003, 10:06 PM
BTW, the fear of welding the headbolt to the block's threads is a valid one but the weld wants to stick to the steel headbolt rather than the iron threads...wierd but it works.

chromedRAT
12-08-2003, 10:25 PM
i would have never had the balls to weld INTO a threaded bolt hole on my own, man. nice tip.

Tuck
12-08-2003, 10:53 PM
some pictures from when I did it to my flathead over the summer... you guys on the hamb saved my ass with this idea. I thought I would help with rockys post by putting up this visual aid I made from the pics I took of my misshap... same idea just not as hairy! Good post rocky!!

Rocky
12-08-2003, 11:47 PM
Thanks, Jeff. You nailed it with one tiny exception...while I have my hands on the wand, after welding my nut {!} to the washer, I weld down inside the nut until its' full of weld...........then I don't have to come back to reheat the nut with a torch because that baby's hot! Great photos. We work good together...

burndup
12-09-2003, 12:41 AM
What about the splatter balls that are gonna (and are, in the pic) get stuck to the deck surface?

Tuck
12-09-2003, 01:12 AM
those splatter balls came right off http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif I weld with CO2 and you get a little splatter...

and rocky your right I did weld inside the nut so it was cherry... I just didnt take that pic off my digital cam. No problem it gets the point across.

k-member
12-09-2003, 01:33 AM
Had to use that ol trick on them pesky FE ford exhaust manifold bolts before. It always bafled me how the weld sticks to the bolt and not the cast.

Rocky
12-09-2003, 05:21 AM
I use Stargon [75%-25%] so there is no spatter.

Zodoff
12-09-2003, 05:28 AM
The weld wont stick to cast steel that easy...
Just give it plenty heat,and try to get it out,while still hot from the weld. The heat helps too.

tokyo
12-09-2003, 09:01 AM
Thanx for the pic..i am a better visual person..

Rocky
12-09-2003, 09:28 AM
Bryan..I know what you look like and I'm not so sure about your last post...hee hee.

tokyo
12-09-2003, 12:58 PM
The wife seems to think that i'm "easy on the eyes".......hey that's a complement right? haha

Petejoe
12-09-2003, 01:12 PM
Another trick, I've found when you have broken off the bolt well below the head surface is: Find a thin walled copper bushing the same size as the hole and shove it down to the broken bolt below the surface. Use a mig welder and begin building up the bolt with weld until its close to the surface. At that point get your washer ready as Rocky indicates and put it in place. Now finish your bolt build up and flow your weld right onto the washer surface. The copper bushing will prevent any weld from adhering to the sidewalls of the hole and also prtect the threads from heat and damage.

Rocknrod
12-09-2003, 01:44 PM
OOh now thats a thought!

Bushings... hmm http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif