Whose car is this? I think it is a hamber.... [Archive]

wayfarer

11-25-2003, 01:53 PM

This one! I built it at home, out of steel. I learned how to weld, fabricate and do body work on this car. I even helped a friend of mine paint it. It has a mustang II front end and drivetrain is 440/727 and if you don't think that took some major fabrication, you're wrong. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

wayfarer

11-25-2003, 01:55 PM

Sorry, forgot the picture http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

RileyRacing

11-25-2003, 01:57 PM

I think it's pretty sweet. Sure is a lot more "real hot rod" than a Civic on "naws". http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Jay, who only hopes his turns out like that....

wayfarer

11-25-2003, 01:57 PM

I don't have a problem with Dan. In fact, I'd build one of those kits too, but I wouldn't call it a "real hot rod". It's not his fault that's what he had the ability to build. I read all of his articles every month and he says he thought he'd learn on something that was easy. I don't fault him for that, I guess I'd rather see someone learn about fabricating and building cars rather than assembling 1:1 scale model cars.

Ryan

11-25-2003, 02:02 PM

You are very insecure wayfarer... Would you like to go more depth about your childhood and your inadequacies? I'm sure we can work this out. The first step of self realization is self acceptance. You are okay little fella. Things are ok.

wayfarer

11-25-2003, 02:12 PM

I have no idea what you're talking about Ryan. Somebody asked me what kind of rod I built so I told them. I'm proud of it. Heck I'm only 25 years old and built the car with my own two hands in my garage. Then someone thinks I'm picking on Dan so I tried to explain that I like his car and would build one myself, but it's still putting together a giant model. There's no fabrication or skills to be learned other than reading directions. Dan flat out says in his articles about the car that he wanted a roadster, wanted to build it and thought that the easiest and quickest way to get to where he wanted to be was to buy the assembled kit from real hot rods, add his engine and take it apart for paint and finishing. He knows its a kit, we know its a kit, but it's still a bitchin car and I'm sure its fast as hell too. Everyone gets down on "the gold chainers" for having fiberglass cars, but applaud someone who builds one in a traditional manor. Seems a little hypocritcal to me.

RileyRacing

11-25-2003, 02:19 PM

Well, since you like to pick nits, I believe your car is a "custom", not really a "hot rod". http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Yes, you put alot of work into it, yes it is a NICE car, but a hot rod it isn't. I would drive it though!

I think that is Ryans way of saying "Lighten up Francis".

Jay

wayfarer

11-25-2003, 02:23 PM

I know it's a custom rocket and I never meant to piss anyone off. I love Dan's car, I think it's cool and I'd drive it. Hell, I even like reading his articles and have followed the buildup of the car. I really enjoyed his article about his first trip in the car. I can relate. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

RileyRacing

11-25-2003, 02:25 PM

Just funnin' witya! Have a beer, on me! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Right now, I'd take any car I can get! Workin on that tho.

Jay

50mercfan

11-25-2003, 02:26 PM

wayfarer, i think the title "real hot rod" was play on the name of the company that built the kits, not what he was building. as to say it takes no skill to assemble one of these kits is wrong. the only differance in building a kit and steal car is the type of material the body is made of. the differance being the on the glass car you don't have to fix rust before you begin. they don't jump out of the box and start assembling them selves. i think you should own a "real hot rod" before you start defining what they are for everyone. furthermore, if it wasn't for glass cars nun of us would be able to afford "real steal". a rusted piece of shit 32 3 window would cost a million dollars. and do you think the aftermarket would be a billion dollar buisiness with only a hand full of "real steal" car.? i guess we would all have to build stuff like dodge wayfarers.

Tman

11-25-2003, 02:29 PM

Yeah, all "preengineered" cars just fall together! A monkey could bolt em together...........................that is sarcasm, you have no clue Wayfarer.

wayfarer

11-25-2003, 02:36 PM

50 merc fan, I know that's the name of the company, that's why I said that and if you read "Rod & Custom" you would know that Dan bought the car assembled, with tires and everything and took it apart to be painted. I don't own a "Real Hot Rod" whatever you think that is, but I've worked on a bunch of early fords if that's what a 'real' hot rod is. I don't pretend to define what a 'real' hot rod is, I said that in my post because that was the name of the kit that Dan built. To me a real hot rod is a bitchin' fast old car that someone drives the piss out of, not parks on a lawn and poses around. I applaud Dan for building the car and driving it across country, it's more than most people do.

Roothawg

11-25-2003, 02:37 PM

I get so tired of hearing about the fiberglass controversy.
Did you know that the radically chopped sedan with the V-12 allison engine was glass? I wish I had a pic to show you.
So is Ed Roth's Mysterion not traditional enough? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Unkl Ian

11-25-2003, 02:40 PM

Fiberglas was used in comercial production before most people here were born.

Roothawg

11-25-2003, 02:45 PM

Unkl, I know you prolly can get the pic I am after.

So did anyone ever look in the back of the old R&C little books? There were kits for T's available back then. I bet the wooden spokes guy were griping about them not being trad. enough.

wayfarer

11-25-2003, 02:46 PM

The car was assembled when he bought it!!! Read the articles about the buildup of the car before you lambast me for saying that it was like assembling a kit. It does take automotive know how to bolt the car together. He had to do some work on the brakes and mount the engine/trans. Not anyone could put one together, but it's alot easier than building a car from scratch. Using a fiberglass body and an aftermarket frame is different from what Dan did. He took a kit that was assembled, mounted his engine/trans and took it apart to be painted. He openly admits in his articles that he thought this would be the easy way to learn and it was. He showcased a nice product that worked like he expected it to and is satisfied with the product of his work. I was never talking about any other car, just Dan's. I followed the buildup in the magazine so I know what he started with and what he went through. He says it went right back together like he hoped and other than the teething problems he had on his first run worked exactly like he thought it would. Before you comment on the car, READ THE ARTICLES about it. I guess I'm the only R&C subscriber here.

50mercfan

11-25-2003, 02:47 PM

hang on fellas, i wasn't trying to start any shit about glass cars, they don't bother me in the least, never have never will. i don't give a shit about what a car is made out of. if i like it i like it.

36couper

11-25-2003, 02:55 PM

Serious question here: Is it really a kit? I interpret "kit" as something that has a complete set of instructions that say something like "attach bolt B to panel A...". Kind of like a model car kit.
A lot of guys describe fiberglass cars as a 'kit' when, in fact, there is no such thing as instructions included.

50mercfan

11-25-2003, 03:00 PM

as i remember it, the term kit started in the 70's with the volkswagen kit cars, and then it just turned into a way to degrade a guys car. people tend to get jeolous somtimes.

wayfarer

11-25-2003, 03:03 PM

Not degrading anyone's car, but the real hot rods modified is a kit, it even comes with all the nuts and bolts to put it together. Hell, it even comes put together. Check out their website: http://realhotrods.info/

50mercfan

11-25-2003, 03:09 PM

wayferer i wasn't refering to you. believe it or not. people have been use that term "kit" for alot longer than you've been around. and by the way i wasn't trying to run your car down earlier. i think you did a damn fine job on it. the front end treatment is right on.

wayfarer

11-25-2003, 03:10 PM

Thank Mercfan, it took alot of work. Sorry about getting upset.

Jeff Norwell

11-25-2003, 03:20 PM

Ever wonder why scribe doesn't post here anymore....cause of this garbage....As I have said before,he has brought ALOT to the table for such a young'in.That dude has bult more shit than most people can dream of...land and water.AND the info he has stuck in that noggin of his is immense.
This post is nearing the fuck'in ridculous.In this hobby/sport....are ya gonna fault somebody who doesnt run some vintage engine and use a new crate engine....C'mon crew....Dan works for a major pub.....THAT'S HIS JOB!.....I wish I could work there.......
And Wayfarer...I love yer ride...I bet there a lot of sweat'n blood toiled in it....It turned out super killer.But Dans job is the mag and... yea he has to discuss Ideas and sometimes promote Advertisers.....some stuff we dont care for....no big deal.

I just hope returns on a reg. basis,cause for one...I miss the lil egghead! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Smokin Joe

11-25-2003, 03:31 PM

The ones I like are the "Purists" who wouldn't be caught dead with a glass car. So they build a Brookville on a TCI frame instead! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Can't miss these guys. They all have that "Steel is Real" sticker on them.

Had this little conversation last summer with one of those Steel is Real guys.
Wow, I thought that was just another ho hum old Model A on Deuce rails when I first saw it, not an actual honest to God REAL 2002 Brookville on TCI. And look it's even got the new Chevy crate engine! And you say you drove here all the way from the coast? Still has the nubs on the tires and the headers have never seen heat. Slick. What kind of mileage do you get in that tow rig when you drive to these events anyway?
Boy, I wish I could own one of those REAL STEEL cars. All I've got is an old origional roadster. Damned paint's bout 72 years old on the fenders. They're gittin scratched up a bit... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Dee Wescot and friends have now made more Deuces than Henry did. And Brookville and the others are catching up with the steel bodies too. The whole plastic/steel/repro thing shoulda died years ago. When was the last time you saw a pair of 39 Ford tail lights? No not the repro ones, the ORIGIONAL ones. Even most 39's are running repro ones now. And no one cares. That's the way this whole kit car vs rust & junkyard debate needs to go. The car either has class or it doesn't. What it's made from doesn't matter...

36couper

11-25-2003, 03:39 PM

Smokin Joe........Amen Reverand! Praise the Lord and pass the gas.

wayfarer

11-25-2003, 03:47 PM

Brush, that was the point I was trying to make. Dan liked the modified, decided he wanted one and that it would be good to showcase for the magazine. I'm sure Real Hot Rods has sold alot of them because of his article. Dan's car is cool and he enjoys it and that's what matters. He's a great writer and tech guy and I can't wait to see that t-bird he's working on.

50mercfan

11-25-2003, 03:47 PM

root, i think the answer to your question is dan kahn from rod and custom magazine. we kinda got side tracked again. sorry for holding another "trial" on your post.maybe we should all go to law school and then start our own firm. i think we would kick ass. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Django

11-25-2003, 04:03 PM

Scribe's car is bitchin'. I've got parts for my car that have been lying around longer than it took him to build that mod. Good for him.

Yes, I AM jealous...

Mike

11-25-2003, 04:04 PM

Wayfarer, I reckon your car was built in a factory somewhere in Michigan afew years ago. It's a nice machine with some nice modifications, but you didn't "build" it.

I say whether it's old steel, new steel, glass, owner built or a modified factory heap, if it looks like a hot rod, sounds like a hot rod and goes like a hot rod, it is a fuckin' hot rod.

Harrison

11-25-2003, 04:15 PM

Scribe's car is 'glass. My project is Henry Ford steel.
Would I trade my pile of parts for his? In a heartbeat!

Good for Scribe. He bought himself a project, built it to suit HIM, and drove the shit out of it.

The way it should be.

JH

Roothawg

11-25-2003, 05:03 PM

Yeah well all I wanted to know is who owned the car........... BECAUSE I LIKE IT!!!!

Jkustom

11-25-2003, 07:53 PM

smokinjoe, I couldnt have said that better myself! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif -J.

53_210

11-25-2003, 08:24 PM

It's a bitchin car. Who cares what it was made out of. Alteast it's not another Honda.

Derrick

53_210

11-25-2003, 08:24 PM

It's a bitchin car. Who cares what it was made out of. Alteast it's not another Honda.

Derrick

Deuce Rails

11-25-2003, 08:33 PM

So if a car isn't "real" is it "imaginary"?

(Smokin' Joe nailed this one.)

flatlandman

11-25-2003, 10:00 PM

I think everybody is missing the point. Root wanted to know who's car...now we know.
It's a cool little car. Period. Nevermid he is only 24 and to have built with or without help is outstanding. Young Dan did well.
'Glass or not...whether or not a mag project car, well done. Hell at that age if I had the cash, I might be tempted to do the same thing. I remember clearly the Streetrodder build up of a cheap fiberglass bucket a few years back, that was cool as all HELL!! And just how many 'glass t-buckets are out there???
It ain't exactly raining '32 Fords!
I'm sure he still has that '60s T-bird around for your must have steel guys.
And for the record, Westcott started making fiberglass fenders in '58 so this ain't nothing new, just a different version of a glass fender.
Let it go already. Such a stale arguement.
As someone stated, "..At least it ain't a Honda"
Go find some billet 20"s to piss on.

Oh, loved the Brookville/TCI story! Too funny...

quickrod

11-25-2003, 10:42 PM

wood,paper,plastic,glass,steel,fuck it who cares,if its got a set of wheels with smoke rollin off em it's all kool to me.p.s. my cars glass....bbbbttttttttttttttt!{thats me given the razzberries! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif}

Roothawg

11-25-2003, 10:45 PM

PS here's the car that I was talking about. Yep this car is GLASS.

old beet

11-25-2003, 11:01 PM

Maybe a little off, I've known Dee Westcott since 1959 and now he is finishing a 34 Ford coupe he sectioned in the mid 50s. Ya a steel car, he likes um best. His glass bodys, are the best you can buy, kit cars....you must be fuckin kiddin! I've done over a dozen of um, just a different material...All are a lot of work.......OLDBEET