Rarity of manifold Q - old hemi [Archive]

laverda

11-07-2003, 01:48 PM

I have been looking around for this manifold (web searches) ...

http://photo.starblvd.net/~laverda_jota/2-3-2.jpg

... and have had no luck. I believe it is a Cragar unit but have no idea if it is considered rare ($$) or something I could expect to find at a swap (not in Winnipeg http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif ) I also wonder what carbs are used. I was watching Car Crazy last night and it was featured in Hemi powered Allard ... sweet http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif . Any comments on the intake? The pic of motor is from an RPU featured on deadendcruisers.com.

Thanks,
papa al

Kerry

11-07-2003, 04:29 PM

There were a number of manifolds like that. Weiand is probably the most prevelant. It was setup with a rather interesting cros runner arrangment underneath it that didn't really cross distribute well enough for a progressive linkage. It was designed for a straight linkage. This intake had tapped holes for coolant fittings.

Kerry

11-07-2003, 04:31 PM

Here's a bottom view.

Kerry

11-07-2003, 04:33 PM

Cragar had a four carb intake as well but all the carbs fed an open plenum chanmber which works well with a progressive linkage. This intake had coolant nipples cast in.

Kerry

11-07-2003, 04:34 PM

Here's a bottom view of the Cragar.

Kerry

11-07-2003, 04:36 PM

As far as I know both intakes were designed for Strombergs (48,97,81). The Holley 94's would only fit if you ground the screw off of the float side.

Kerry

11-07-2003, 04:40 PM

The Tex Smith Hemi book has a great section on setting up the Weiand manifold by Skip Readio. I do know that since Skip has switched to one of the Cragars so he could run a progressive linkage. I am using the Weiand manifold with a progressive linkage but I made a plenum chamber that goes between the carbs and intake.

The 4x2 from Weiand for the Chrysler was the WC245. I don't know what model number the Cragar was.

There was a 3x2 intake from Weand that seems to be much rarer. I've never seen one in person and only saw it come up on Ebay maybe twice. It's the Wc3d.

Kerry

11-07-2003, 04:48 PM

Crower had U-Fab log intake kits. I've seen these with either 4, 6, or 8 carbs. Edelbrock had a cast aluminum equivilant. Here's the EC6.

Kerry

11-07-2003, 04:50 PM

Here's the EC8.

lucky_1974

11-07-2003, 04:51 PM

Great info Kerry. I would like to brag a bit and say I have a WC3D. Bought if off an old timer in Fargo he said it was nothing special and sold it to me for 150.00 with 94's on it... I was happy http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif. Also sold me a 392 for $300. The 392 has a cracked cylinder, but a machinist friend said that he could sleeve it and make her good as new. I only know one other guy that has one. His name is Randy Gribble in Watertown owns a rod shop. He told me I did okay to get it for $150, he had a big smile on his face. And no its not for sale. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Sorry to hijack the post.

Kerry

11-07-2003, 04:52 PM

Edelbrock also made a cool crossram that seems to be very desireable.

Kerry

11-07-2003, 04:59 PM

From the looks of your photo I'd say it is the Weiand intake. Like the saying goes, gold is where you find it. I gave $185 for my WC425 but that was about six years ago. I looked for a Cragar for a while but never found one under $500. Good luck hunting!

Kerry

11-07-2003, 05:10 PM

I almost forgot Offenhauser.

Kerry

11-07-2003, 05:11 PM

Another Offy

Kerry

11-07-2003, 05:16 PM

Here's a couple better pictures of the Edelbrock crossram.

Kerry

11-07-2003, 05:18 PM

The crossram from the bottom.

Kerry

11-07-2003, 05:24 PM

Good for you Lucky!!! Heck of a deal. I see where you got the name. I wouldn't think of asking you to sell it. I know I couldn't afford it! ;-) What sort of plenum chamber does it have?

laverda

11-07-2003, 05:28 PM

Thanks for the info Kerry. I had no idea that there were so many options ... at least I now can setup some additional eBay auto-searches. Here's to gettin' lucky like lucky with a hemi manifold http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

later,
papa al

Kerry

11-07-2003, 05:32 PM

I know the 2bbl carbs are cool but you might want to think about the 2x4bbl option if you can't find a manifold. I think Weiand still makes them so they are pretty reasonable. Rebuild a pair of AFB's and you're in business.

Rocky

11-07-2003, 05:33 PM

Oh, man.....that crossram looks tits! Prolly wouldn't be too cool for street use but it looks really intimidating. I can just see those carbs sticking up above the top on my 36 chevy pickup.
All I have is this homemade/kit, 4 single barrel setup on my 331 but I'm gonna give it a try. I'm not expecting anything great for street use outa this...

Kerry

11-07-2003, 06:00 PM

Personally I think your homemade 4x1 is as cool or cooler than the store bought stuff. I'll bet it surprises you how well it works in your 331. An old hot rodding buddy of my Dad's still has the hemi powered T he raced B/Gas at Great Bend in 58. It has a homemade 4x2bbl manifold that is way cooler than my Weiand. I'll try and scare up a picture of it.

silent rick

11-07-2003, 06:09 PM

i have a weiand drag star for a dodge redram that i guess i'll have to use on my desoto. bolt holes are different and there's a slight mismatch on the ports but all that can be corrected with adapter plates i've machined. my only problem will be i can't run any type of air cleaner or scoops and still run the hood.

i'd love to find a weiand 4x2 intake for the desoto. it's super low profile will allow me to run the hood and scoops no problem and it also comes with mounting bosses for the generator. the drag star means i have to mount an alternator down low.

i seen a weiand 4x2 for my desoto at the hunnert car pile up. the wet spot on the floor in front of it was my drool. the wet spot on the front of my pants was...well, you know.

Kerry

11-08-2003, 12:26 AM

Speaking of the Wc3d, here's one on Ebay. Buy it now at $650.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2441752804&category=34 198

andysdeuce

11-08-2003, 05:45 AM

Kerry the one on e-gay is for a 392 hemi. Will it work on my '54 331 hemi?? I think all the 331...354...392 intakes interchange but I'm not positive. I'm kinda looking around for a 3-4 deuce intake for the 331. Just wondered if they all interchange or not. Some good info here...thanks.

Kerry

11-08-2003, 03:12 PM

As far as I know the intakes will bolt up to all of the Chryslers. It get's tricky if you use 354 heads on a 392. Then you need spacers between the heads and the intake.

The real issue is coolant. Your earlier heads don't have the openings on the front for the water crossover/thermostat housing that the later heads have. That means you'll need to route the coolant from the intake to a thermostat housing like this one from HOTHEMIHEADS. Your original intake had the thermostat integrated into it. FWIW the earlier 4bbl intakes with the integral thermostat housing seem to have a pretty good demand.

Kerry

11-08-2003, 03:15 PM

Here's the intake I mentioned that my friend made back in the day.

48_HEMI

11-08-2003, 04:15 PM

Alot of good info going here.
that 6X2 cross ram is the one I'm running on my 354 it was converted to dual Quad before I bought the car, It works so good street and strip that I hate to mess with it.
I sold my 4X2 low deck DeSoto and my 4X2 chrysler manifolds for some reason that I can't explain

all chrysler manifolds will interchange unless you run early heads on the 392 then 1/4 inch spacers are necessary http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Kerry

11-08-2003, 05:28 PM

Here's a homemade crossram I saw on Ebay sometime back.

Rocky

11-08-2003, 10:51 PM

Kerry, your buddy's homemade tunnel ram-type intake is bad ass! I'd like to do one with 2 afb's mounted on it. Maybe using exhaust tubing. Maybe use 3 late style holley 2 barrels.

Kerry

11-08-2003, 11:36 PM

Not sure what year Duane made that intake but I'm guessing around 57. He didn't have a torch so he talked the local blacksmith into letting him use his.

Skys the limit if your going to make your own. Just takes time and a lot of patience.

Here's a Pic of Duane's T today.

50burban

03-12-2007, 11:19 AM

George

03-12-2007, 11:35 AM

well i hope this is not a really stupid question but iam new to the hemi thing...
i know and am really finding out it is hard to find an intake for the 276 desoto hemi..
will an intake work from a 331? is it diffrent deck height? i know my 276 has a valley pan and i think the 331 does also will they work on my desoto? ijm sure it is not the most desirable hemi but i got it cheap and it runs but it has the stock 2 barrel on it.. any help would be appreciated thanks guys..
also the ignition do they make an elec. ignition for it? maybe an hei?
thanks again
rick
Chr fits Chr only. Only 10% of DeSotos had a 4 bl & maybe 1-2% had 2X4 OEM intakes. Also low deck DeSotos 276/291 don't interchange with the later high deck Desotos. Log intakes from Hot Heads www.hothemiheads.com (http://www.hothemiheads.com) also look @ the Hemi tech threads.